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The Delta Flyers - Ex Post Facto 108 Video (Patreon)

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This week’s episode is Ex Post Facto. Garrett and Robbie recap and discuss the episode, and share their insight as series regulars.

Ex Post Facto:
Tuvok takes matters in hand when Lt. Paris is blamed for a brutal murder and given a sentence that will cost him his mind.

We want to thank everyone who makes this podcast possible, starting with our Executive producers Megan Elise, and Rebecca McNeill, and our Post Producer Jessey Miller.

Additionally we could not make this podcast available without our Co- Executive Producers Ann Marie Segal, Philipp Havrilla, Jason M Okun, Kelton Rochelle, Stephanie Baker, Stephen Smith, Sarah A Gubbins, John Tufarella, Brian Barrow, Chris Knapp, Daniel Adam, Eve Mercer, James Hildebrand, Matthew Gravens, Mary Jac Greer, Marie Burgoyne, Michelle Zamanian.

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Mark Scheuern
>>74444063

Though Star Trek abounds with aliens who look exactly like or almost exactly like humans, so why not dogs, too?

Mark Scheuern

Re-watching Voyager from the beginning and this is the first episode I didn't like. Besides Tom's behavior (and suffering zero consequences for it), the bad guy's plan was ridiculously far-fetched. How long was he waiting for a horny space guy to come by to put his plan into motion?

Rich Gross

I have to agree with the comments about the dog, the drinks, the door, etc. There was actually very little that was futuristic or science fiction in this episode. It’s an OK episode, but you could pick this story and most of the dialogue up and drop into just about any other show. However, in a way that’s what I like about Star Trek. It’s about the people and the stories, not the futuristic tech. They just could have done better making this one fit into the Star Trek universe.

Jasmin Kesselring
>>38669211

Just write "facebook" into the search field at the top and you are directed to the post with the link

Stephanie Baker

Gonna have to watch this again to check out the details that you guys pointed out. I liked this episode, but I"m pretty easy. Tom Paris is kinda sleazy, but redeems himself in the end with the Tuvok scene. Loved the podcast. Thank you for your time.

Rebekka Hay

This has quickly become my favourite podcast ever, it’s addictive 🤩 You guys are the best!

Matt

Yes! I remember Buck Rogers, I still have many of the episodes on my DVR. Hawk came on in season 2 I believe. I never made the correlation to this Voyager episode but yeah I can definitely see it!

Matt

This is why I love this podcast, learning new things about the show! I never knew Tom Paris was wearing a wig all throughout the show!

Nichole Guerpo

I actually just read about Janeway’s wig! They shot the first episode and then had to reshoot it because of her HAIR.. Goodness sake! I had no clue Tom’s hair was a wig! 😂 and Harry.. side burn wigs .. I’m dying.. HILARIOUS..

Matt

The things that make you go, hhhmmmmm, years after watching a particular episode...Why was there a regular old earth dog on an alien planet? LOL

Charity Ponton

This was a great discussion! I feel the need to go back and watch again so I can see all of the little tidbits. Too bad you didn't keep the booger

Ashley Risk

As a member of the audience when I watch Tom Paris he starts off as a one percenter. 95% of the people in the world of followers 4% are leaders and 1% are neither followers or leaders. On the whole he is out for himself, what can he get out of the world he dose, but he also care for others as demonstrated in the first part of caretaker where he follows Harry to sickbay when a ship is in jeopardy and then he also points out to the captain that Harry is missing. If there is a way that he can get something better for himself without harming others too much he goes for it. He is a player and regards himself as a terribly cool Cat. Because he has been on the wrong side of the law he does not feel that the rules of the world apply to him. All of these aspects give him a great character arc that leads to him being a team playing, father and hero, to his family and the Voyager crew. He also developed a deep longing and purposeful Direction in making himself a better person, Janeway had faith in him and that gave him strength to prove that he could be the best that he could be. He saves a baby alien With nelix He goes undercover with the Kazon at Great risk to himself He saves another baby be dying of radiation sickness He goes faster than warp 10 evolves into a future human creature. He shares oxygen in a Hopeless situation with with B'elanna He fights to save the moneons from themselves He has three offspring with Janeway He has a fourth child with B'elanna He developed captin proton and the hollostories. He pilots the Delta flyer into a Borg stronghold with the odds stacked up against him and he still manages to fly his team out of there. Thomas Eugene Paris is one of my favourite characters. I was sad to hear the death of the other day, Richard Herd who played Admiral Owen Paris on screen the most times and and in my opinion with the greatest presence. It is for all of these reasons above that I do not see the character of Tom Paris in the slightly negative critical friends view of Robert on the way he perceived that the character came across on screen. I'm sure that many of my Delta flyer compadres feel the same as I do that Tom Paris is one of if not the best characters. This episode also started a 33 year journey for the doctor to eventually name himself Joe after his human wife's fathers name.

Christopher Collins
>>38675495

I have to agree. The stories and reactions you get out of this podcast is great. It is interesting dynamic having Garrett remember most of the information and Robbie forgot most of it so it brings a great Yen and Yang input to the show that makes it interesting because they both have different perspectives on the show based on how they remember the show.

Mihaela Grasley

What another great discussion and stories in this last episode of the Delta Flyers podcast! Thank you both very much ! I must say that I can hardly wait each week to get access to the new episode of your podcast. Where I live, this usually happens around 12.00 am on Monday... And it is also a pleasure to read the comments from everybody else. It is like being with good friends in a very special place!

J

Louis

I really enjoyed the progression of Tom Paris' character in Voyager. He does start out as a bit of a sleazy womanizer, but slowly grows throughout the show, until eventually fully maturing into a responsible and faithful husband and father at the end. I think he has one of the more complex and evolved character arcs on the show.

Louis
>>38683286

I completely agree with you Ashley. Tom Paris had great character arc.

William Brandt

Stories about the comedy of Tim Russ makes it easier to believe he was the guy in space balls (I just found out last year he was the combing the desert guy)

Chris

Tim Russ nailed his character, much like the doctor. Both could have been somewhat boring if not drab characters. But I felt like Robert Picardo and Tim Russ really took on the role and added a lot of their own personality to it, and really brought those characters to life. I do agree at the start Tom Paris character was a bit much almost a liability, but as the series goes on he develops into a very complex character, and turns into a valuable and indispensable member of the crew. He certainly had an interesting character arc, and probably had the biggest evolution of his character.

Nathanial Moon

Show just keep on getting better and better. Great work guys and galls!

Dan Stokoe

I think Robbie is being a bit overly harsh on how he was potraying the character in the beginning because that was really down to how Paris was being written. I read some background information for this episode where it stated that this was one of a number of scripts that were written before Robbie was cast as Paris, when the character was still the Kirk type womaniser as originally concieved. It is a great credit to Robbie that his performances as Paris got the writers to change this charactisation, and allowed him to grow and mature as the series progressed.

Elizabeth Barden

Just joined and enjoying the podcast. I'm also rewatchin

Elizabeth Barden

Hit the wrong button before I finished. I'm watching Voyager on CBS all access. I just to say that I noticed the part about the front door and not getting closed after Tim walked thru.

Sy "Frank" Peddlesden

I was re-watching Voyager and Sabrina the Teenage Witch at the same time and noticed the liquor cabinet from this episode was also in Aunt Vesta's apartment. Paramount knows how to recycle!

Roe O'Brien

I bust out laughing at that Tim Russ / James Brown mindmeld story!!! So funny! Also Robbie - Trust the fans - Tom Paris's sleazy beginnings were soooooo necessary to character arc! Promise!

Samantha Wattam
>>38764314

I agree it was a large part of why I ended up liking Voyager so much watching his character develop and his relationship with B'Elanna.

Adriana Guerra

I really liked this episode, you feel bad for Tom and I believe that the character is never the same after what happened. I liked how Janeway took care of Tom Paris when she is present and Tom goes through one of the punishment events in his mind. I feel she acted very carering and she was also holding him in her arms aaawwww

sam

My dog took particular interest in this episode :D You guys are doing a great job, Garrett you're so charming!

Andrea Mahoney Ross

This was an episode I quite liked when it aired and I still think it was a good story that brought up a lot of questions about crimes, investigating them and punishments. I remembering being told by my Aunt that Voyager had an open submission policy and that stuck with me and I actually wrote one. I had a few actual scripts from shows and wrote it all out with all the interior and exterior bits and everything! 😂 I never sent it in but kept it locked away for years. Looking back on it 10+ years later it was terrible! But as a teen whose favourite show was Voyager and who loved the characters it was so much fun thinking one up and writing it.

Charles Petrosky
>>38678183

After a couple seasons I got tired of all the surly forehead aliens. I felt like the Delta Quadrant should have been much more sparsely populated and the show focusing much more on the 150 people onboard the ship.

Kris Hansen

Wait, Robbie is wearing a WIG?!? Did you have your head shaved or what? How is that even possible?

TheDeltaFlyers
>>39207237

I didn't wear a wig. It was just wig sideburns. I've been trying to clear up that misunderstanding since the episode aired. Need to be more careful how we word things! -Robbie

Justin Rhoads

I misheard too and I kept looking at Paris' hair trying to see it too. ha. During various hair changes over the years: particularly during season changes... Did actors have any say on that? I particularly took note of Janeway's bun to long pony-tail to short loose hair as the show progressed.

Kris Hansen

Whew, that makes much more sense about Robbie's hair!

Holly Jay

I love this episode, have to agree very Murder she Wrote. Great acting across the board by all.

Janet Potts

Just catching up on this. What I remember is that Daniel Keys Moran had pitched a very similar plot (someone sentenced to reliving a victim's death over and over) to DS9, but they weren't interested in buying it at the time. When "Ex Post Facto" came out, he'd considered taking legal action but decided against it. Eventually, his original idea was bought by Paramount and turned into the episode "Hard Time" for DS9. I also found this over on https://fanfare.metafilter.com/8528/Star-Trek-Voyager-Ex-Post-Facto-Rewatch regarding Paris and the Ex Post Facto episode: 'This episode's script was one of about a half-dozen that were written prior to the casting of Tom Paris. It therefore treats Paris in the same way as the character was originally conceived – as an habitual womanizer, like James T. Kirk and William T. Riker. '- For his part, Michael Piller acknowledged, "['Ex Post Facto' was] a subject of mixed opinions, because Jeri felt we had done some character damage to Paris. I thought he came off rather well." Piller also noted, "I thought it was a wonderful show for Paris." Further recalling his disagreement with Taylor, Piller said, "Jeri and I had a real argument over what the impact of 'Ex Post Facto' was. She felt we had assassinated his character in that picture [....] The idea that he would even consider a relationship with a married woman she found quite distasteful. She felt he looked like a low-life womanizer. I think that he has a character flaw, a weakness, that I can appreciate. I think a lot of men can appreciate that and that he fell victim to that flaw – but rose above it to achieve. Jeri can forgive some flaws and she can't forgive other flaws. Infidelity is one that she can't forgive."' I agree that the whole womanizing thing was getting old, but the suffering that Paris goes through because of the implantation of memories made me more sympathetic to the character. However, it does take a while, yet, for the writers to move on from that aspect of his character. I seem to remember that he actually starts making moves on Kes, giving cause to Neelix's jealousy.

Bethany Avery

Well, thanks Garrett I will now never be able to unsee the lighting sconces in this episode! You know I had to pause this episode to see what you were talking about. Not sure if I want the rest of the list or not as I’m sure to be forever a little out of the story when these items come up in a rewatch.

ST Fan CB

The old adage of "there is nothing new under the sun" is true here as well. This is a rip off of the TNG episode "A Matter of Perspective" where Riker was on trial for killing the husband of woman on a planet. The difference however, is that Riker was not actually involved with the wife whereas Paris was. Shame on you Tom Paris. And as noted above, the story was also a rip off of the DS9 episode "Hard Time".

Tacy Muzzy

I was really interested in Tom's information about Michael Pillar's reason for writing this episode! It totally makes sense :) and adds some fun to the plot/dialogue.

Rachelle H

Reliving the crime...I think the criminals would eventually be desensitized or driven mad so it would not help a prisoner either way. You're very hard on Tom. He is just a young adult angry at his father and maybe the world so he finds ways to hide from the world even with women. Which is a reality with some real people. I've seen it so much in real life where hurting people go from person to person to person because they are trying to get approval from at least one person. Many of the cast were on Murder She Wrote. Kate and Robert Beltran were on 2 separate episodes each.