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The Delta Flyers - The 37's 201 Video (Patreon)

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This week’s episode is The 37's. Garrett and Robbie recap and discuss the episode, and share their insight as series regulars.

The 37s:
The Voyager lands on a planet where an old Earth aircraft contains people in cryogenic units, including Amelia Earhart.
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Michelle Jernberg

I'm rewatching Voyager from the DVD box “The full journey”. With this particular episode I noticed, that there was an option to view the episode with trivia on or off, so I enabled it. Throughout the episode little grey text boxes would appear with little infos. There was even one box that mentioned Garret's love for immitating Janeway and the Doctor. I don't know if these trivia episodes was something they did at every start of a new season in this box but I'll keep an eye out for them, as I continue to watch. They made me think of your podcast.

Dee McGee

Watching these episodes from the perspective of a fan and not a critic, I did not hate them like Robbie did.

Amit J

Stray thoughts while watching the podcast: I agree that one of my favorite shots was the sunlight coming through the ready room and caught my eye the first time I watched the episode. Also agree that we never were given the indication that anyone would stay and the buildup to the cargo bay scene was uneven. I would love to see the footage of Janeway running; I had to go back to the episode to see the part they did show and I can see why they cut it where they did...lol. On to the fan reviews, you claim that is "Jean's" review first but instead it's once again Jamahl Epsicokhan's from Jammer's Reviews. I'm curious why you aren't giving credit to him and this is twice in a row you got their name wrong. Regardless, I agree with both Jamahl and Robbie here that Earhart was underutilized. Definitely agree with B.C.'s take that this is pulp sci-fi. Most of Robbie's criticisms of this episode can be hand-waved away by pointing out that it's supposed to be escapist and fun more than anything, like good classic sci-fi often was. I appreciate Robbie's opinion but I think it was a good Season 2 opener with some crowd-pleasing moments to draw in new viewers as any season premiere should. I also disagree with both of them that this could have been a good 2-part cliffhanger bridging seasons 1 and 2, as it didn't have the gravitas for such a distinction. Maybe if they cut down the overlong Chakotay-Janeway scene they could have used the 42 minutes more wisely. For the 3rd review, I totally agree that Amelia would have left in a heartbeat. She had nothing tying her down to that planet except for maybe her friendship with Fred, but any fear of the unknown seems to be out of character for her. Four reviews this time! Robert's didn't say much of anything, though. The episode was engaging to me from beginning to end even if it was a bit silly at times. Nice hat, Robbie! I've probably section-hiked about 15% of the Appalachian Trail, including the 100-mile wilderness in Maine. Maybe when my wife and I retire we'll do the whole thing in one shot. Thanks for another great episode, Garrett and Robbie!

Mark Scheuern

I was just very impressed that a truck that had been unused for 400 years, and in fact had been floating around in space (for some reason) for that time, started right up.

Mark Scheuern
>>55866634

I agree. I would think there would be people already tired of nearly getting killed by hostile aliens or something goofy Janeway tries or Neelix's cheese or whatever, every few days, who would say "screw this" and want to stay on a nice planet.

Graham McLuhan

Is Robbie’s background the background from Mac OS X 10.7?!

Jason Self

There seems to be some strange blinking when just 1 of them appears on the screen.

AJ Provance

Cameras were all wonky this week guys!

Christopher Collins

I think it is odd that several season 2 episodes were originally filmed for season 1. I thought The 37's was an odd way to start a season but starting the season with landing on a planet was a good way to start season 2. I did think the final few episodes of season 1 with Learning Curve was a pretty good ending to Voyager because it gave us more information on how the Maquis functions which was not explored to well in Star Trek. I felt like the 37's was a far fetched idea that I was not into too much.

Christopher Collins

I forgot that the 37's was Tom Paris introduction to being into automobiles.

Christopher Collins

We trust the person who has never landed a ship to land a starship. No one does that even with a helicopter.

Christopher Collins

The ending of The 37's was soo cheesy with Janeway and Chakotay finding no one who wants to stay on the planet when they go to the cargo bay. I think it would have been nice if we saw a few crew members interested in staying on the planet.

Christopher Collins

That is crazy that The Next Generation crew kept working on set after Gene Roddenberry's passing.

Stephen Pearson

In the UK, the additional four episodes (projections, elogium , twisted and the 37’s ) were released on home video as part of season 1, with the 37’s being the last episode.

Stephanie Baker

I suspect I was receiving subliminal messages from all the video blinking. My favorite scene was the truck backfiring because it’s funny. I wonder why Noonan was wearing a suitcoat and tie while navigating across the Pacific. I couldn’t stand Sharon Lawrence’s wig, it was very distracting. And I was interested in the beautiful cities that John Evansville described.

Christopher Collins

I felt this was an odd episode to Land Voyager. I thought unlike future times Voyager lands this first time made almost no sense rather than a shuttle craft or use transporter room. If the planet was not hospital or something in atmosphere then this would have made more sense. I just did not think landing Voyager in this episode was necessary.

Christopher Collins

This episode misses the mark in that they never explored the aliens who brought this 37's. They focus on the historic characters and not enough on what alien species and tech brought them there.

Christopher Collins

To me it would have made more sense for Marque crew members from Learning Curve to decide to stay on this planet rather than just have no one not want to stay on the planet.

William Brandt

I think it’s interesting Garret seems to be into ufology (Being at the Roswell anniversary). It would be nice to hear his opinion on the recent New York Times article about off world material and recovered craft. Probably too much of a tangent though. Love the podcast nonetheless. 👍🏻

Ellie S

If that outro was intended as a subtle hint, then I'm wondering if the special guest is going to be Tim Russ...

Christopher Collins

I think this is a stronger season 2 episode than the way season 2 of TNG or DS9 started. I think The Original Series & Enterprise have stronger season 2 premiers over Voyager, TNG & DS9.

Christopher Collins

I agree that the planet made no sense for Amelia Earhart would stay on the planet. She should have gone on Voyager since she was so into flight and as far as I know I don't recall much flying vehicles on the planet.

IkleGeek .

In the U.K this was the season finale episode.

Matt

It's interesting that Robbie didn't feel like this one wasn't as big. I thought it was pretty awesome, it's up there in my 20 episodes of Voyager. It was just so cool to see the flasbacks to old earth, talking to historical people and looking back history.

Matt

Yes, I was waiting for Robbie to look for the key in the visor! LOL

Matt

When the truck backfired, what was Tuvok trying to shoot at? LOL He should have looked down at the truck rather than up in the air.

Matt

Yes, I always think the same thing. How in the world did the rest of crew with phasers just sit there and do nothing. Set it to stun quickly and take him out. LOL

James

I just looked up David Graf for some reason, id forgotten that he did DS9 as well.

Jon-Michael Adkins

The backfire ducking didn't bother me. Years of holodeck adventures and maybe even experience with less advanced cultures could have given them familiarity with projectile based weapons.

Jon-Michael Adkins

What really got me was the truck. I'm okay with the keys being shiny, and they could have stayed polished in the owner's pocket, and wouldn't have been able to oxidize in space. What really go me was how easily it started. The low pressure in space would have vaporized all the fuel and battery would be long dead. Would have been fun to see Tom working on it as the start of his antique auto hobby.

Matt

So Baxter and Jarvin, were they characters that were inspired from a family member or someone that somebody knew named Baxter or Jarvin?

James

Looking forward to your reactions to 2 of my favourite early Voyager episodes - Non Sequitur and Projections

GAY Kleven-Lundstrom

Crew complement always varied from episode to episode, it was never consistent. One episode was higher, the next lower, then higher again. All the mistakes aside this was one of my favorite episodes of Voyager.

ArtRobot

Janeway and Chakotay obviously went to the wrong cargobay. ;P

Karen Chuplis

Re-crew compliment, Remember they lost a lot of crew in the first ep crossing through. THat's how the EMH ends up doctor and Tom pilot etc. I don't get the impression Chakotay had a LOT of people on his ship, and we've lost Seska. It seems like they are assuming that 30ish people died, and 11 ish people came on board?

Karen Chuplis

(PS I think this should have been a two parter, exploring "can we find the Briori", see the city and interacting and how great it is providing more fodder for "should we stay" convos and then I think it would have felt more earned and complete.)

Justin Rhoads

I think most Star Treks started out with a short and / or rough first season as they seemed to be trying to get their bearings and establish themselves. Actually only Enterprise stood out to me as having a full 1st season with excellent episodes. But unfortunately for Enterprise, it kind of worked in reverse from other Treks as it kind of went slowly downhill after its first two excellent seasons. As for the 37s; I don’t really have much on the episode that wasn’t already said honestly. Except I think Tom Paris is the loser of the episode because he didn’t let AMELIA EARHEART take Voyager out for a spin... 😛

Kathleen Scherrman
>>42336304

Agreed ........ And when the truck backfired and Janeway / Tores ducked ... the console they were standing behind totally wobbled like it was going to fall over.

Kathleen Scherrman

It bugged me that we never got to see the new human cities .... what would an "alien" human city look like?

N+D

I agree with RDMcN in that it was something of a special moment to see blue sky from Voyager's briefing room. Good job on the lighting. (This also occurs in another episode...a prize of a firm virtual handshake if you can name it).

Sony

Why was the truck all rusty when Tom said it was a 1936 Ford? It was only a year old when it was abducted and jettisoned into space, which being a vaccum, would make rusting impossible. Also, I think the reason for the shiny propeller was that the descendants were constantly restoring the 400-year old airplane piece by piece to preserve the SOS signal. Otherwise, the plane would've corroded to an unrecognizable shape.

Sony

I think Janeway and Torres ducked because they thought the vehicle was going to explode and were shielding themselves from possible flying debris. Tuvok was scanning the room when he pulled out his phaser because a loud noise like the backfire could "logically" come from an unseen threat. lol

Sony

Robbie’s right about this episode being underwhelming and I like his idea of it being a two-parter between seasons 1 and 2 so the writers could add more depth to the story and put something important at stake (the crew leaving, Marquis drama, trying to find the Briori etc).

MisterRob

One little thing I noticed— in the outdoor scenes where Chakotay and team are hiding behind a “rock,” you can see the rock shake/move very easily... pretty sure it was not a real rock 🤣

Craig Main

Would be great to find out if the writers planned this as the finale (probably the most likely candidate thinking f the next few eps) or maybe had something different in mind for how to close out season 1. Loving the podcast. Can’t wait for Initiations with your special guest (Robert Beltran or maybe Malissa Longo to talk about Aron Eisenberg?)

Craig Main

Never heard of Jarvin but wasn’t Baxter the guy that blanked the Doctor a few episodes ago.

Jason Self
>>42351732

But we don't know what happened after the abduction. It didn't necessarily go from earth straight to tumbling around in space. Perhaps the truck spent some time on the planet. Sadly, we'll never know.

Jason Self

Perhaps the blinking and other visual effects can be described as "random subspace energy interference." This is about Star Trek after all. :)

Kathleen Scherrman

And what happened to the truck in the end? Did it just get dumped back out in space?

Rosemarie

Found a thread talking about how many crew were on board. It does seem to vary but here it is for Season 1: Caretaker: The crew starts with 141 people, 13 crewmembers dead + 36 added = 164 crew ("more than a dozen died" (Nightingale) / "One quarter of the crew is maquis"(Repression) / Maquis= 32, Tuvok+Paris+Kes+Neelix=4) State of Flux: Seska leaves / later dead = 163 crew Faces: Durst dead = 162 The 37s: Janeway claims there are 152 men and women on the ship. this is simply wrong, she mixed it with 162 There is a full series break down (including the inconsistencies) https://scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/50887/what-was-voyagers-final-crew-count

Stephanie Baker
>>42337051

Wasn't Baxter the guy who kept hurting himself in the gym and was rude to the Doctor. from the Cloud

Rich Gross

I’m glad to hear that both Robbie and Garrett were underwhelmed with this episode. I was feeling a bit guilty about not really liking it much. It seems like it’s introduced in a way that’s telling us how much we should like it, but then there’s not much meat to bite into. The only disagreement I have with the podcast episode is that I consider it very reasonable that Janeway would know a lot about Amelia Earhart since the latter was a great pioneer for women in aviation and I get the feeling that it’s still relatively uncommon to have a female captain in Star Fleet.

Sony
>>42370903

Right? Janeway even said to Amelia "I want you to know you've always been an inspiration to me. Because of you, generations of women have become pilots." it was natural for her to "geek out" with all that historical trivia and conspiracy theories. Sort of like how Tom Paris and Chakotay are both Mars missions history buffs.

Utopia Science Fiction

My theory, correct me if I'm wrong, is that all of the budget for this episode was spent showing the ship landing/taking off. And there was nothing left to spend on designing the Briori or even showing these great 'cities'. The episode didn't have the right focus. (or any focus?) but the actors, especially the guest actors were fantastic, so that made up for a bit of it. Oh and Baxter was the chap from the Cloud (Who also shows up in 4 or 5 episodes). I've got no idea who poor Jarvis is.

James G. Jones

I am curious as to what happened to the truck at the end? Did it take up space to Neelix's ship and Tom Paris worked on it as a hobby?

Mary Jac Greer

Another amazing episode discussion with you two. I think these just get better and better each week. I love watching Garrett trying to hold back until Robbie finishes talking when he’s already ready to talk. It’s like he can’t be still and uses his hands to hold back his mouth/face. Very cute, Garrett, because you seem to get so excited about it. I wasn’t expecting this to be as amazing as it is and to get more and more fun every week. Thank you again for lifting my spirits once again. 🖖🏼❤️

Maggie Metz

Apologies to Kate, but that Janeway run.... OMG so funny!! Love Kate Mulgrew as an actress though ;-)

Ron

I was watching TOS the other day and I noticed that Leonard Nimoy said "sensor" the same way that Tim Russ did. So, maybe Tim did some due diligence and chose to emulate Nimoy and make it a Vulcan dialect.

Bree Boehlke

That truck backfire scene with Tuvok and his phaser, I STILL laugh at that one. Its such fantastic Trek comedy and everyone is so great in that scene.

Leon Zhang

I think the start of this episode shows a little bit why Chakotay wasn't written as a true #1. He's not there at the beginning scene, but Tuvok was, and the call to land the ship and report to Code Blue stations should have been Chakotay's call, but it went to Tuvok instead.

Chris

maybe Janeway walked into the wrong cargo bay, the next one might be full of crew members wanting to stay. But Janeway got the wrong cargo bay. oh well better luck next time Baxter

Andrew Gilbertson

As far as I know, this episode was meant to be the Season 1 finale; it makes for a nice mirror to Caretaker. There, Janeway committed the crew to this journey home- but the ending here gives them the chance to re-affirm their own commitment to the journey... to choose it for themselves. A fitting end to the first season... if only UPN hadn't wanted to start a month earlier than its competitors and held back 4 episodes to give themselves an extra 4 weeks of pre-made content to roll out early.

Mark Shuler

And so I agree with almost all that Robbie and Garrett said about this episode. Expectations and realities... also it is interesting to think how much we may have grown in 25 years as far as plots, stories etc. Note to Robbie , since my move from California to Maryland 8+ years ago, I now live within a mile of an access to the Appalachian Trail on South Mountain. My stepdaughter plans to hike the entire trail, and has already done some decent stretches.

Cheerful Nihilist

Sorry if this is repetitive, I am not going to look at all the comments. But would this episode been better if there was another moment that a regular left, like Kes, or Neelix? Maybe a couple of episodes, or seasons, down the road. Probably not because all the regulars were strongly set on making it back to the alpha quadrant. Still, it would of been nice having a new regular, that was curious on how evolved is Earth.

Cindy Converse

Just catching up because I didn't learn about this podcast until Star Trek Day. :) I'm beginning to wonder if there are any episodes that you guys like. lol I happen to love this episode. A few notes: Of course Janeway would know who Amelia Earhart is and lots of things about her, the same way that I know who people like Hypatia and Ada Lovelace are, because I'm a mathematician and they are female mathematicians who came before me. Maybe it's a lady-power thing, but often we women know much of those of our gender who came before us in our fields of study and work. As for Jarvin, we see him in Parallax when he tells Chakotay that he'll support him if he wants to take over the ship, and Baxter is the one who works out all the time and was giving the doctor a bad time, so we do know these people and have seen them before, even though they're minor roles.

Emily Hansen

I like that all the inhabitants took the cities of their ancestors as surnames: Berlin, Evansville, etc. I would think Janeway would have caught that Evansville is a city in Indiana, not too far away from her hometown of Bloomington

Kelly Bee (CaptainKathryn)

I know this is late, but I always thought the number was lower than 170 was because so many people from the Starfleet crew died in the pilot Caretaker (the first officer and pretty much the entire sickbay staff died in that episode and probably more).

LT Turner Jr

Wow, I didn't realize John Rubenstein (Pippin) was on this episode. WOW. :)

Mathew Sands

I LOVE Robbie''s idea of making this a "Tom Paris" episode--it totally makes sense because it really is believable that Tom would struggle with leaving. GREAT idea and opportunity missed to really make this a great episode.

Thomas Adams

Something i see that sands out for me in this episode. Earhart is talking to the captain, talking about staying on the planet. Earhart try's to put here hand in here pocket but cant because it has buttons so she reposition here hand on to here hip.

Roy Spaan
>>43659663

Nowadays, after many rewatches, I always want the guest star to join Voyager. Or have some bigger role at least. It gets so boring and predictable. Imagine having Paris stay on the planet and Voyager continues home with Amelia Earhart as pilot... Aside from just making it more interesting, it also makes more sense to me. As far as Earhart coming along. One of the pioneers in aviation isn't going to pass up a grand adventure, let alone the chance to pilot a starship. If she got together with Noonan, at least that would have been a decent reason for her to stay (albeit somewhat cliche) As the episode stands she basically says "nah thanks, keep your advanced 'airplane', I'd rather just chill here, might be nice.

Roy Spaan

I'm gonna go opposite of Robbie: Each time I see this episode I can't believe not a SINGLE person is staying. There's bound to be a few people that don't really have strong ties with Earth, or are really not wanting to spend 75 years in space, or more likely, DIE before they even get far. I know they weren't thought up yet, but people like Michael Jonas and Lon Suder couldnt have been HAPPY on Voyager. The four Maquis Tuvok drilled, the three Good Shepherd crewmen (Tal Celes especially, who pretty much was anxious about her job ALL THE TIME) Voyager's mission was just to catch the Val Jean, so even some of the Starfleet people might have figured it was a nice gig for a month or so, and maybe move on after that. Clearly there were people like this around, and NONE of them decided to stay? I really don't buy it.

Roy Spaan

We actually DID see Baxter quite a lot in those days, but I guess he didn't like any of the gym facilities on the planet xD If Robbie was getting bored of TOM being underdeveloped, imagine being the guy that only talks about working out every single scene he's in...

Cass

I agree that of the main cast Tom likely has the most reasons to stay and least reasons to return at this point in the series. He likes old Earth stuff, he's estranged from family, and he has had episodes showing other main characters and crewmates disliking and distrusting him. Tom realizing that he does have friends and is a respected crew member could have inspired him to stay. As for Amelia Earhart coming on board... that could have made sense from a character POV as presented, but the cast didn't really need to grow and there were already 'discover new environment/experience' characters on board.

Epigamic

The novelisation of Flashback plays with the idea of Amelia Earhart having come on back. It suggests that the reason Earhart didn't go for it was because she suspected she would be hopelessly obsolete given her lack of knowledge about the areas needed to be a starship pilot.

Dead_Alewives

What bugged me in this episode was why was the pickup truck left in space but Earhart's plane wasn't? Why wouldn't the aliens just have abducted the people themselves instead of transporting a huge machine onto their spaceship? Well did the other characters who were put on ice ALSO have vehicles that were brought with them? If so, where are they? Did they abduct a sailor somewhere on Earth and bring a whole freaking aircraft carrier with them?

Bronwen Duffield

While I can imagine the run being quite funny, have you tried running in the four-inch heels she had to wear? Walking in the darn things would have been hard enough never mind running on rough ground. Do we have evidence of her running in a normal way when wearing flats? I feel there must be something out there.

Les Doodis

Kind of annoys me whenever ST characters refer to something from 4, 5, 600 years before the 24th century as ancient. We date the end of our ancient world at the fall of the Roman Empire around 500 AD, 1500 years ago. I know it's probably just the easiest shorthand for very old but I wish they had just made up a term for our modern era.

Les Doodis

... and Evansville as a last name?? Hi, my name is Mike Indianapolis.

Christina

My biggest complaint about this episode is the fact, like Robbie stated, that the regular characters, particularly Tom, should’ve been shown dealing with the dilemma of whether or not to stay. I could definitely see Tom having inner conflict with this one. I always thought the Tom character should’ve been given more screen time throughout the series. As the character grew, he became much more complicated as a person, his views changed, he wasn’t a line wolf anymore. That’s my do-over: Give Tom more scenes.

Eleanor Capaldi

I thought having Janeway be a fan of a pioneering aviator like Earhart made a lot of sense and was a smart choice. I dug the episode, and knowing how the eps were divided up I maybe don't approach it as a season opener as such. Anyway, Earhart holds a special place for me, and in the context of Voyager - breaking boundaries, female captain etc - it really spoke to me, especially as I was watching it at a young age. Feminist icons, both. (I also would have loved to see Earhart and Janeway pal about on the ship at least for a bit, and think Earhart would absolutely go on a further adventure rather than stay on the planet. Space travel would be right up her street. Eventually I think she would take her own ship/shuttle and explore solo or with a companion, because that's who she was).