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The Delta Flyers is a weekly Star Trek: Voyager rewatch and recap podcast hosted by Garrett Wang and Robert Duncan McNeill. Each week Garrett and Robert will rewatch an episode of Voyager starting at the very beginning. This week’s episode is Basics, Part 2. Garrett and Robbie recap and discuss the episode, and share their insight as series regulars.

Basics, Part 2:
With the Kazon-Nistrim in control of Voyager, the crew must return to basics in order to survive on a harsh planet inhabited by alien natives and vicious predators. Meanwhile, Suder and The Doctor assist Paris' attempts to retake Voyager.

We want to thank everyone who makes this podcast possible, starting with our Executive producers Megan Elise and Rebecca McNeill, and our Post Producer Jessey Miller.

Additionally we could not make this podcast available without our Co- Executive Producers: Stephanie Baker, Philipp Havrilla, Kelton Rochelle, Liz Scott, Sarah A Gubbins, Ann Marie Segal, Jason M Okun, Marie Burgoyne, Chris Knapp, Michelle Zamanian, Utopia Science Fiction Magazine, Matthew Gravens, Brian Barrow, Rich Gross, Mary Jac Greer, Megan Hurwitt, James Zugg, Mike Gu, Anna Post, Shannyn Bourke, Vikki Williams, Holly Smith, Jesse Noriega, Dominic Burgess, Amber Eason, Lucas Shuck, and PJ Tomas

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Chris Tribuzio, Jim Guckin, Steph Dawe Holland, James Amey, Katherine Hedrick, Eleanor Lamb, Thomas Melfi, Richard Banaski, Eve England, Father Andrew Kinstetter, Ann Harding, Laura Swanson, Luz R, Josh Johnson, Chloe E, Kathleen Baxter, Craig Sweaton, Nathanial Moon, Warren Stine, York Lee, Mike Schaible, Kelley Smelser, AJ Provance, Captain Nancy Stout, Claire Deans, Matthew Cutler, Joshua L Phillips, Barbara Beck, Mary O'Neal, Aithne Loeblich, Captain Jeremiah Brown, Heidi Mclellan, Dat Cao, Cody Crockett, Stephen Riegner, Debra Defelice, Robert Hess, Cindy Ring, Andrei Dunca, Daniel Owen, Jason Wang, William McEvoy, Gabriel Dominic Girgis, Amber Nighbor, Ming Xie, Mark G Hamilton, Heather Chappelle, Heather Choe, Kelly Havlik, and Richard Sandnesaunet

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Jen V

Yes, Dead Duck was and is a thing!

Jen V
>>54304470

I didn't know that about the Chinese language either!

RemiTheNerd

I have had asthma for all of my 30 years alive on this planet and I think Robbie can indeed make jokes about it! I have been hospitalised by it a lot too

Ann Marie (Sayla79)

Funny that Garrett should mention Seska's child coming back to exact revenge on Janeway, because that's kind-of-sort-of what happens in one of the Star Trek Online missions. You (the player character) are helping out Harry Kim in recruiting a bunch of Kazon factions to help out against the Vaadwaur invasion. One of the majes opens a hailing frequency, and he reveals he is Seska and Culluh's son, and how disappointed he is that Janeway and the Voyager aren't there, but taking out Captain Kim will have to suffice for now. Also, his name is "Sessen" (I think it's safe to assume he was named after his mom). I had a bit of a chuckle when Martha said she'd name the kid "Gahko", because it almost sounded like "Goku" from Dragon Ball Z, and I sometimes joke about how the Kazon kind of look like the saiyans from that show with the wild hairdos and all lol.

Amber Bohanon

I think the “dead duck” thing is a blend of “sitting duck” and “dead in the water”

Dee McGee

Garrett is so proud of his limerick! ☘️

Mark Scheuern

I had forgotten how strong the last half of Season 2 was, and the good two-parter to end 2 and begin 3. I have to agree with what an atrociously bad decision it was to go after the baby in the first place. And, in the end, they accomplished nothing other than getting Voyager starshipjacked, getting some people killed, and wasting more time that should be used in getting home. Well, other than finding out it's not Chakotay's baby. Had a good laugh over Neelix's leadership of the Delta Team and Robbie's impression of him.

Christopher Collins

The first convention I Ever saw Robert Picardo shortly after the Star Trek The Experience Ride was filmed but before the ride was open to the public I saw Robert Picardo with a Beard with Garrett Wang at the Convention. Robert Picardo was filling in last minute for Kate Mulgrew because a family of Kate’s passed away.

Jeremy Taylor

The crew is stranded, maybe long-term They fight cavemen and a giant worm Doc and Suder sabotage Seska dies, so the Maje Leaves to go work on his perm

Rich Gross

Illustrious! OK Garrett, now I can imagine you starting the podcast with a new vocabulary word to describe Robbie, as a companion bookend to your language lesson at the end. Robbie, it was funny listening to you talking about your days being anxious for your first chance to direct, having just been in a Zoom with you today when you were hoping to not have to direct a few upcoming Turner & Hooch episodes. :) I know you still direct a lot, but it sounds like maybe you prefer producing now? By the way, I hope you’re enjoying your Tesla Model 3. I have a Model Y and love it! I agree about the Chakotay comment about being the “only Indian who can’t start a fire”. Not an appropriate line at all. I also hadn’t heard of a “dead duck”, but I looked it up and Webster does list it as an idiom meaning “one that is doomed”. The Chinese lesson was interesting. The information about the tones, in particular. I hope everyone has been listening to the new fun content after the credits!

Katie Puterbaugh

Great episode! So good to hear from Martha again too. Garrett, what is your dog's name? Also loving the post credits scene you guys do! I'm really looking forward to many season 3 episodes!

Craig Drebit

How epic would it be to find out the Pick Up truck people eventually became Patrons. :) PS: awesome poems! Doh jeh for bring up Chinese this season!

Nick Diioro

Hot plain Tom Paris saves them all!

Stephanie Baker

I have a response to the Indian stuff. I am mixed White and Native and enrolled in a tribe. We still use the term Indian when referring to ourselves or with each other. Each Native person or group has their own preference on terms to call them. 'Indigenous' works for almost any continent and is used by the UN. Many tribes in the US, including mine, their name means People. so, in the Chakotay scene, it would not be unusual for a Native person to refer to themselves as Indian, especially in the 1990's. the fire starting thing is a bad stereotyped joke. My Do-over would be a Native writer being in the Voyager writing room fixing these things.

Moonglade

So, that "How do you like your eggs" line always bothered me. The Prime Directive was left on the ship again. The planet was pretty barren looking and volcanic. Are those eggs the last, best hope for an indiginous species? Is that species doomed to extinction now for Captain Janeway's and the crew's breakfast? I wish they'd thrown in a line to cover this and explain that there was a big flock or a gathering of the species spotted on the horizon. Picky, I know, but the Prime Directive is a big theme in Voyager's journey and Janeway is its most vocal protector, determined to uphold Starfleet principles... most weeks, anyway. Always great to see Martha Hacket! I so loved her as Seska and felt that Seska was the only real threat to Voyager in the early seasons because she was so smart and always seemed able to keep Janeway on the back foot. The Kazon were macho idiots and they hampered Seska I feel. I often wanted her to bump off Maj Cullah and take total control of the Nistrim Sect or leave the Kazon to head up some other band of (smarter) aliens. Shame. A free-thinking Seska v Janeway would have been awesome for a lot longer. As for Seska's demise, I would have loved to see Chakotay take her out in a dramatic cat n mouse chase around the ship. In true Seska style she could have outsmarted him again and again, but then become over overconfident and make a fatal error. Or Chakotay could have used his knowledge of her/their history to outsmart her for a change. What an opportunity for us to see Chakotay's torment/guilt over killing someone he had once loved (according to Torres) and felt responsible for as her Captain, even after everything she'd put him through. That would have been awesome! Just heard the 'egg cooking' skit at the end. To funny! Thanks guys x

Matt

Dead Duck is a thing, my dad used to say it when I was a kid....no idea where it came from but it's a thing to some degree..LOL

Matt

I thought when Chakotay talked about being the only indian who can't start a fire, and in Caretaker when they were trying to escape and Paris and Chakotay talked about being an indian who can't turn into a bird.....those were just funny! Not because of anything stereotypical, but just because those lines were funny and added a bit of light humor to the situations.

Matt

If Harry pulls that, "I'm just going to hang out with Belanna" line in a few more seasons, Tom might have something to say about it... :D

Kathleen Scherrman

I've heard Dead Duck before .. but I thought it was one of those "groovy" midwest sayings.

Gabi Rutledge

I don't know if anyone has answered Robbie's question regarding Seska's not knowing the baby was Culluh's...she was already pregnant (but didn't know it, yet) with his baby when the whole "Chakotay's DNA" plan came about. She also tells The Doctor about the primitive technology on the Kazon ship which tells me that she probably couldn't do a DNA test to make sure it was Chakotay's baby.

Mike Gu

Switched to Chinese!!! Limerick stress!!! Limerick....in Chinese by the end of the Season!!!

Tashicat

Just thought you might find it interesting to know that Seska is the feminine form of the name, Seskal (DS9 'Dogs of War') is the masculine form... Since y'all were talkin about traditional Cardassian names n such...

Chris P

I would have liked the ending scene to be something like this: Voyager lands back on the planet to pick up the crew. They spend some time doing repairs before departing. Everyone is cleaned up, they have their comm badges back, etc. Janeway and Chakotay go back to the surface to speak with the indigenous people (with the help of the universal translator) and thank them for their help and part as friends and say goodbye before the ship takes off. It just would have been a nicer way to wrap up.

Jim Guckin

You really need to make a Tom Paris "It's the Voyager" shirt.

Irene Artho

Maybe by the 24th century the saying is "dead duck" not "sitting duck" 🙂

Janet Potts
>>54143805

Regarding "dead duck", according to the OED it's, "from the old saying ‘never waste powder on a dead duck’." So yes, it is a valid phrase and one I've heard (and said) before.

James G. Jones

Must be nice to afford the Admiral level tier.

Taisho Rose
>>54155813

I thought in the context of the character of Chakotay poking a little fun at himself and challenging/ joking about perceived stereotypes it made sense, but knowing the actor is not entirely native or affiliated with any tribe, and the fact that the Native American consultant they hired for the show was a fraud, all of the Native references just sort of come across as suspect now, regardless of their intent. I would have rather they ran those jokes by someone who was actually Native American. Even just tweaking them a little bit may have been more appropriate. But I get what you're saying. Chakotay deserves to have some moments of lighthearted, self-deprecating humor.

Taisho Rose

You brought up all the issues with this ep that I noticed on re-watch. I felt like the writers wrote themselves into a corner with Suder and Seska. I thought, well it would be really awkward if Suder survived because then he'd be a hero, but no one would feel comfortable if he was allowed out of his quarters and went back to being a regular member of the crew. The Captain would've probably had to give him a commendation, too. I think they chose to kill him off because it was easier. Same thing with the baby, and Seska! How is it not Chakotay's baby? I was so underwhelmed by Seska's nonsensical death. Everyone else should've died if it was due to the phaser overload, and the ship itself should have been fried like a toaster. I agree with Martha that it would have had more of an impact if she was killed by either The Chakotay, or The Janeway, instead of The Voyager. I wish Tom always had tousled hair, it would go along with his roguish character! I just don't see him putting all that effort into making that perfect wave every morning. Lol Another thing that always bothered me about this 2-parter was that it sort of makes Janeway seem a little too passive. The way she wins out over Seska is not due to anything she specifically does in the moment, but her past acts of compassion for others and the sense of loyalty she evokes from the crew end up saving them all. Tom and Suder are both characters that Janeway insisted upon reforming. Janeway could have always decided against bringing Tom on Voyager. Or, she could've chosen not to award him a field commission due to his background. I mean, the guy did crash a shuttle that killed 3 people, so despite his constant bragging about his flying skills, he's got a huge mark on his pilot's record. Also, I'm surprised Chakotay had no input on the decision to send Tom to get help from the Talaxians, because, isn't this exactly what happened on Tom's 1st mission with the Maquis? Didn't Tom go for help in a shuttle after Chakotay's ship was damaged by the Cardassians, and he got caught by the Federation instead, which is how he ended up in the penal colony? Anyways, that's basically the most action that Janeway is able to really take in the moment- sending Tom for help, which does pay off later. But couldn't she have just asked the Talaxians for help earlier? I know there wouldn't be an episode without any of this conflict, but I was just hoping she and Chakotay would have more to do than donate her hair/ make fires. Where would they install the Tom Paris monument? The Mess Hall? Is it made of cheese? Get this cheese to sickbay! Thank you for making me look forward to Mondays!

Taisho Rose

I just remembered something about Brad Dourif, who played Lon Suder. He was on a really quintessential episode in the 1st season of The X-Files called "Beyond the Sea," where he played a psychic serial killer named Luther Lee Boggs. It aired in 1994. Was the character of Suder a not so subtle reference to that? Inspired by that? A total rip-off? There are some Voyager episodes that are very reminiscent of The X Files. In fact, Sacred Ground is one that immediately comes to mind because of the Faith vs. Science theme that runs throughout the entire ep.

B obrien

Yeh this wasn’t one of my favorites

Andrea Mahoney Ross

Robbie, I too kinda cringe at the “I’m the only Indian” line now. Back when it first aired I thought it was a funny little line. My step dad is First Nations and growing up he and his family (& friends) all used the word Indians all the time and we used it as well because we learned from them. He used to make jokes all the time about how he operated on “Indian time” because he was always late for things. Now he is an Elder and has learned for many that it’s a hurtful word and he decided to not use it anymore. Once he learned that he told us as well and we all work on eliminating it from our vocabulary. It’s a strange thing to learn something and find it okay to use then learn years later it’s hurtful to a lot of people, work to change it in your mind and then hear it again used like what used to be familiar. It brought up many different feelings and memories.

Amber

Raise your hand if you made eggs later after listening to this episode 🤚

Karen

There was so much in this episode, it almost could have been split into a three-parter instead of a two-parter. They really had four stories going on: 1. Seska's baby 2. Suder's insurrection 3. Tom's reclamation of the ship and 4. the Voyager crew surviving on the planet. That's a lot for any one episode. I guess I just wanted a little more of each of those storylines. I also thought the part with Chakotay leaning into the 'Indian' tropes were cringy. But the line that bugged me the most was Tuvok's when he said, 'you might find nobility in the savage, but he only wants to kill you.' Ugh. It was horribly patronizing and assumptive. That line wouldn't have been out of place in a western and not in a good way. I get that Tuvok wanted to prepare the crew to defend themselves but it could have been worded differently.

Sonia Singh
>>54149500

As a person of Indian heritage (as in my father is from India, my mum is white) I’ve always found it frustrating that Native American people are often called Indians. It was always so annoying to me as a child having to explain to other kids that there was a country in Asia called India that had nothing to do with ‘cowboys and Indians’. And this was in Australia!

Maggie Metz

Great job guys! Thanks for having the super talented Martha Hackett on the past two weeks. The three of you chatting together was lovely to watch and listen too. Nice memories and informative insights ;-)

Janet Potts
>>54173645

Which begs the question, if they have primitive medical technology, how could she use his DNA to impregnate herself? If they had the technology for her to take DNA from non-gametes and fertilize her egg (which would have to be done in vitro since actual sperm have an enzyme that is used to penetrate the egg cell wall), then they should have been able to do a genetic test to determine the child's father. It's not an easy thing to separate out the DNA from blood or tissue samples in order to fertilize an egg. Egg and sperm have only half the genetic code while all other cells are diploid (i.e. contain 2 strands of every chromosome, one from the mother and one from the father). If you’re advanced enough to do that, you're advanced enough to figure out the baby daddy. If they *are* so technologically primitive that they can't separate out the strands of DNA, then it's more logical that she would have collected his sperm and artificially inseminated herself that way. That would only require injecting the sperm in utero when she was ovulating (assuming a similar biological function as humans). In which case, she could easily have mistaken who the father is if she were also boffing Cullah. They'd also have to be somewhat genetically compatible for a successful fertilization, otherwise, again, it would take some advanced medical technology to force the two sets of gametes to merge into a viable offspring. So, if that were the case, she would have to know whose the father of the baby. But as a "family" TV show in the 90s, Seska harvesting Chakotay's sperm would probably have been a wee bit *too* real to pass the censors and mores of the time.

Christopher Collins

I like that you are doing a new language lessons for Chinese. I was not aware that there were different sounds for words and different tones in Chinese.

Christopher Collins

You should get George Takei for this episode to talk. I remember in 1996 him talking at a Convention in Atlanta about how the zipper fly for the uniforms kept getting stuck in the episode of Flashback and there was a real problem with the pants during the episode whenever they needed to go to the restroom.

Christopher Collins

I remember that George Takei saying that he was impressed by the amount of extras and different Bridge cast members they were able to get to come back to do Flashback after they had done Star Trek VI The Undiscovered Country. I remember George recalling that many of the extras had gone on to other work after that film and some of them were no longer acting anymore since Star Trek.

Christopher Collins

I love these post credit things at the end of the episode

David

Amazing podcast guys. The incredible Martha Hackett talking about Seska and how much she enjoyed that character was the best. Garrett talking about the pickup truck in front of him Tim and Jennifer was the best. Robbie picking Tom as the winner (and much deserved) was perfect because Tom really did such an amazing job in this episode putting the plan together. Loved listening to you guys describe your opinions and why you disagreed even it was very insightful.

Marlene Bielawski

dead duck /ˈded ˌdək/ nounINFORMAL a person or thing that is defunct or has no chance of success. "they knew their plans were a dead duck"

Tara
>>54319862

Yes, thank you. "Dead duck" is a thing; it was more common a few decades ago. There is *also* "sitting duck" and "lame duck..."

Karen Chuplis

Can I tell you how much I enjoy the little plays at the end with Tom and Harry? They just tickle me. Like, private convos we never got to hear. lol.

Elizabeth webb

Garrett has made me LOVE Harry and B'Elanna together. <3

Bethany Avery

“B’Elanna....what does she do again? Oh, yeah I know who you are talking about.” 😆

Rich Gross

I just listened to this again and heard a part I missed before. The part about Robbie supposedly sweating out of one side of his face made me laugh. That’s a common joke in my side job as a flight instructor. It’s said that flight instructors only sweat on the right side of our faces (we sit in the right seat).

Jeremy Taylor

I wish Martha Hackett could be in every episode. Hope to see her back in a few months for 3x25 'Worst Case Scenario'.

Nick Diioro

Paris was almost a dead duck, but luckily he piggy backed on that fake kazon signal while suder went hog wild with a phaser rifle. You might think paris is a one trick pony but I like to think he killed two birds with one stone.

Jason M Okun

In the age of Easter eggs, one could trace the phrase “dead duck” to the speech by Kirk at the end of the TOS episode “Day of the Dove”. If anyone from the writing staff was able to sneak that into the final script (probably not very likely given that this was a Michael Piller script, although it could have had a staff polish), that would make an interesting story.

Jenny
>>54261706

Yeah, a friend's daughter-in-law is Native American, grew up on tribal land, and always and still refers to herself as Indian. And prefers her in-laws refer to her and her family the same way (and her Native American mother is on the same page), because that's how they grew up identifying, and referring to their home as being an Indian Reservation. But then her in-laws get chastised by younger generations because, in their 80's, they'd have had a shot at changing their terminology if their DIL had and had wanted them to, but they don't do well code-switching between Native American to everyone else and Indian, the preference of the actual Native member of their family, to her and her family. Even typing this, I'm like, "should I be referring to them as Native American to strangers, the correct term, when THEY want me to refer to them as Indian??" Yes, I think, but when you're generally accustomed to taking someone's self-identity at their own word... 🤷🏻‍♀️

Nancy Lapierre

The female dominated society was done on TNG angel one and it was a horrible episode.

Warren Stine

Loving these conversations at the end.

Travis Elder

One edit for Tom on the redo at the end. When Tom encourages Harry to talk to Nelix, Tom should say, "Harry, just throw Nelix a bone."

Navin Kiser

I am still behind on the podcast so sorry for my late comment here. :-) In my job the topic of "survival in different environments" is discussed frequently. For hot climate survival we really have in our handbooks that one shouldn't ration the water too strictly but see to ration the sweat. And I agree, very hard to do. Even being half Indian, I really sweat quickly. I have no idea how I would control that if ever in that situation!

Andrew Murray

At time-stamp 5:14 - that's Bob in the movie "Inner Space".

Andrew Murray

When did you guys have a night off when you often mention 18 hour days making this show??

Andrew Murray

speaking of babies in Star Trek the other prominent one that grew into a regular member of the cast was Naomi Wildman - and in Basics Part II, the indigenous population of that planet saved Naomi who had a fever or something.

Sarah Allen

I will not be learning Mandarin 😳🤯

ST Fan CB

"Dead duck" is a common phrase used in many many movies and TV shows. The Indian starting fire line - Let us say that Vulcans have some behavior stereotype like always having a perfect sense of direction. And let us say that Tuvok as they are traveling tells Janeway "I regret to inform you Captain that you have on your staff the only Vulcan in Starfleet that does not have a perfect sense of direction and I have no idea where we are going". Nobody would bat one little eyelash at that line. But because the line is about a group of people on Earth who we are familiar with, now we get all a flutter about it. It is a self depreciating joke and nothing more. A comment was made about the spears used. "we pick up these sticks or spears that we are not even trained in how to use". I don't think it takes much skill to use a stick. Come on man. Does not matter that Alexa did not exist back then. It is a well established technology in TNG and DS9 that you can restrict access to the computer by command authorization only. After the self destruct failed, Janeway should have immediately restricted access to the computer and the ship using a command code.

Vivian Pau

As a Cantonese speaker, FYI, we only have 9 voice variention - i.e. 6 intonations and 3 slient ones.