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The Delta Flyers - Sacred Ground 307 Video (Patreon)

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The Delta Flyers is a weekly Star Trek: Voyager rewatch and recap podcast hosted by Garrett Wang and Robert Duncan McNeill. Each week Garrett and Robert will rewatch an episode of Voyager starting at the very beginning. This week’s episode is Sacred Ground. Garrett and Robbie recap and discuss the episode, and share their insight as series regulars. They are joined by the writer of this episode, Lisa Klink, for a short interview to get her insight.

Sacred Ground:
Kes is injured when she accidentally commits sacrilege on an alien planet; in order to save her life, Janeway must go through a mysterious ritual that challenges her faith in science.

We want to thank everyone who makes this podcast possible, starting with our Executive producers Megan Elise and Rebecca McNeill, and our Post Producer Jessey Miller.

Additionally we could not make this podcast available without our Co- Executive Producers: Stephanie Baker, Philipp Havrilla, Kelton Rochelle, Liz Scott, Sarah A Gubbins, Jason M Okun, Marie Burgoyne, Chris Knapp, Michelle Zamanian, Utopia Science Fiction Magazine, Matthew Gravens, Brian Barrow, Rich Gross, Mary Jac Greer, Megan Hurwitt, James Zugg, Mike Gu, Anna Post, Shannyn Bourke, Vikki Williams, William McEvoy, Holly Smith, Jesse Noriega, Dominic Burgess, Amber Eason, Lucas Shuck, PJ Tomas, Nicholaus Russell, Darryl Cheng, Alex Mednis, and Elizabeth Stanton

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Comments

Rob Velasquez
>>78742031

The only thing I’d change is the very ending. I think it would have been great to see Janeway go down the the “train” room and close with her sitting by herself .

Jen V

Garrett, it's binky not blinky for a baby pacifier.

RemiTheNerd

I think the Captain is very comfortable in her body in her uniform but as soon as you strip it away, Kathryn is more uncomfortable and vulnerable. I think Kate was absolutely right to act the disrobing scene that way.

SnazzyO

Great episode with a deft handling of the concept of faith. Could their be a scientific explanation — maybe. But this was about a leap of faith. And when Kathryn understood that, understood not all answers are knowable, that was a significant character development moment. The guest actors were truly gems in this episode and it was VERY well directed. Robbie, you were clearly ‘ready’. BTW, Garrett, Robbie wins on the issue of talking - Paris sat pretty on the bridge as the Captain spoke to the Magistrate, but he was as silent as the grave.

Dee McGee
>>57150947

Given Kes' relationship with Captain Janeway and Janeway's background in science, it makes more sense that it would be Janeway. A scene or two between Janeway ad Chakotay about science vs religion would have tied it all together.

Dee McGee

Proud of Robbie for his passion and determination to pursue his directing career. Edited to add: Regarding Garrett's criticism of including Neelix and Chakotay's reactions, it appeared to me that they were reacting to Janeway calling out Kes' name.

Rich Gross

Yay!!! I’ve been waiting for this one for weeks! So excited to watch! Here we go…

Jeremy Taylor

Kes is knocked out, she can't heal So Janeway takes on a mystic ordeal Spirits point the way And the Captain saves the day Directed by Robbie McNeill

Rich Gross

I think when Rick Berman asks you if you’re ready to direct, there’s only one answer! I’m excited to hear Robbie talk about his memories of this episode and his directing debut. Talking about the location where the “older people” are: I have always felt that was an awkward location. It feels like a waiting room at a doctor’s office to me. But I also get that that could be exactly how it’s meant to feel. Robbie: “It felt like a threshold that we had crossed.” Just can’t get Threshold out of your head, eh Robbie”? “Directors Checlist”….Good thing spelling wasn’t tested :) I love the storyboards. This is so great seeing Robbie go through his binder. And I love that he remembers so much of this one. So many of these conversations are all a bout Garrett remembering way more than Robbie, and this time Robbie’s totally on top of it all! That alone shows how much his directorial debut meant to him, and I love watching him relive that time. I can’t wait to hear what he says for the “do-over”. I love the behind-the-scenes info, and Robbie’s take as a director, and in this episode we get both.

Chris Knapp

Excellent job, everyone!! Awesome recap!! Robbie: For your directorial debut, you hit it right out of the park!!! Two thumbs up!!!

Stephanie Baker

Loved the binder and the conversation with Lisa Klink

Moonglade

Another of my fav episodes. I thought it was a really good look at faith and what we will accept as our evidence. I thought The Guide was really well done and liked how she was almost, but not quite mocking Janeway's entrenched assumptions. I really enjoyed the oldies as well and thought they were perfectly cast. Still no let-up on the J/C element in this episode either. Part of me loved that Chakotay was so concerned for Janeway that he camped out at that monitor, part of me was like, "Dude, you're in charge of the ship, get to the Bridge already!" Kate smashed it in this episode, I thought. That last scene when she leaves sickbay especially - the exhaustion and the look on her face as she finally realises that the explanation for it all was anything but scientific and that she needed to re-examine her absolute belief in science was very affecting. Bravo to everyone!

Ramon Medina

Yay! Wow, this is a lot of fun. Just joined recently after being pointed to the podcast from a TGG Friend of Desoto and immediately loved your pod. When I decided to give via Patreon, I just did it to send some love back to you guys for such a great pod but I had no idea that you also had a video version of the pod that came with the Patreon! What a lovely surprise; it is such a kick! Anyhow, thanks guys for the great show and of course all the great work you gave us on Voyager. Cheers and appreciation. :)

GAY Kleven-Lundstrom

I must admit I always was confused by this episode; now after hearing Robbie and Lisa it makes more sense. Thank you for that. Another show that was entirely written before the season is filmed was "Mindhunter" on Netflix. The showrunner David Fincher would not film until all the scripts were written and printed. Sadly it only lasted two seasons. I have dear friends who are crew members on various shows and they have stated to me they loved working with most actors turned directors because they were so aware and sensitive towards actors and the crews.

Humaira

What I love about your podcast is how you explain the technicalities. It really gives a new appreciation for the complexities to shoot something which when viewed may seem so simple. Also the fact that the whole thing is filmed out of sequence so you must have to do some super preparation to ensure you get all the possible footage you might need. The longer I follow your show the greater appreciation I have for all of the staff who make these shows happen. Amazing thank you

Denise Yee

It only recently came to my attention that I am in the minority of Star Trek fans that loved episodes like this that addressed faith in some manner. It seems many dismissed this one because it seemed to "oppose" science, and that makes me sad because there is so much creative genius to enjoy here, without having to say that one is right and the other is wrong. This is one of my favorites. Here are some of the things I noticed on this rewatch: In the opening scene, as soon as my husband and I saw the magistrate, we both looked at each other and shouted "Warp Particles" -- just kidding -- we shouted "Tin Man" at the same time LOL For those that may not know, Harry Groener played a lead role in a TNG episode called Tin Man. I had forgotten he was in this Voyager episode also. The tour of the sacred shrine was giving me school field trip energy. B'Elanna was the over achieving student that had zero interest in the tour, but wanted teacher to see her at the front of the line. Harry was the dude interested in the girl (B'Elanna) and was only there because she was there. Neelix and Kes were the couple we all knew in school that was searching for a dark corner so they could slip away from the group and make out LOL B'Elanna's body language and words were super aggressive towards this poor magistrate that truly looked sorry that their friend got hurt. Harry was right behind his girl basically like, 'Yeah! What she said! And we're gonna tell on you' LOL Hilarious! The beach/precipice scene when Janeway was in her coma seriously reminded me of Captain Ransom in the episode Equinox when he was using his synaptic stimulator. Wonder if it was the same? I found the scene between the Doctor and Chakotay ironic. I would have expected Chakotay to be the one supporting the spiritual quest and seeing it through, and the Doctor be the one arguing why they should bring her back right away. It seems all of Chakotay's spiritual knowledge and traditions were missing When Janeway (or her double) was carrying Kes toward the energy, Kes' body looked super awkward and floppy. I wondered if it was a doll that was being carried in that scene. I misremembered Janeway entering the energy field with Kes. I thought I remembered her leaping in and being surrounded by light and then them cutting to the two of them laying on the ground as Kes woke up. But that's not how it went at all. Janeway barely leaned in a tad, and, zap! Golden light, and Kes was better. I was disappointed. I liked my faulty memory better LOL It was so quick and undramatic. She could have barely touched the field with her big toe and it would have been the same thing to me. In any case, one of my favorite episodes. And the lines from the wise old trio - excellent! 'Even when her science fails her, she still has faith in it' True gems! Can't remember the other lines right now, but I remember loving many of them

Humaira

On a separate note, I never understood why people pit science vs religion. I've always seen science as the definition and detail that explains how things that people hold in faith actually work or happen. The comments regarding "your science didn't work yet you still believe in it..." also make me ask, "Do we as humans have total scientific knowledge in the universe?" I believe that there is so much we still don't know and in some cases where we don't know and the step between what we know and whatever this thing is, is so great that sometimes it's easier for some people to ascribe it to the unknown in faith or in a religion. For others it's just an unexplained thing that we are awaiting to discover.

Debra Crockett

Garrett, I think Bob Picardo's substitution of s "D" for a "T" was just his Philly accent coming out. We often do that, especially when talking fast. Our most famous word is "wawdor" "or "wooder" (water).

Christopher Collins

I have never been a big fan of this episode. This always seemed so off putting in how different this all was from typical Star Trek. This made me feel like it was not Star Trek at all. This podcast Patreon review is much more interesting than the actual episode to hear the insights from a directors perspective.

Christopher Collins

Was there ever a discussion to make this episode more of a Chakotay episode rather than a Janeway episode since Chakotay is more of the spirit religious character.

Christopher Collins

I wonder why more characters were not utilized in this episode rather than focus on just Janeway. I think this could have been better if another character like Tuvok or Chakotay had been paired up with another character and left Janeway on the ship. I would have loved if Tuvok's telepathic or min meld abilities would have been used for this episode and could have made for a more interesting episode.

Christopher Collins

Now we need the Delta Flyers to make a shirt showing all the blinky's.

Christopher Collins
>>57089264

I agree on your comments on the set of the waiting room. The room seems so melodramatic and seems so low budget. It is like a sweating room or train car. It is a bit disappointing. I think hearing Robbie's notes was great thing from this episode.

Christopher Collins
>>57120842

You are not the only one who was confused by this episode. I feel like the religion was based upon some Asian religious concepts. Taoism, Daoism, and a bit of Confucianism. I remember the ultimate result one desires to achieve in one of the religions I want to say is Daoism is to achieve nothing and clarity. The faith without seeing it is a aspect I understand is in Christianity as well as other faiths. There are things in the many religions that breaks the rules of physics. Now I feel like I am just ramboling.

Christopher Collins

I look forward to Future's End. I think the best thing to come out was the EMH's Mobile emitter and see the time traveler who comes back again in the 5th season episode Relativity even though the actor was recast in season 5 by MacGyver's friend Jack Dalton.

James G. Jones

Thank you Mr. McNeill for keeping your director binder from your first directorial debut. Its very cool you have something from that, a memento from important time in your life.

James

The TNG episode referred to is Chain of Command....all you need to say about that one is....."THERE.....ARE......FOUR.... LIGHTS!!" Anyway religion in trek was brought up with Lisa and DS9 puts a different spin on that then the rest of trek....did Robbie and Garrett watch much DS9?!

Ms Nike Morgan

Love the galaxy behind Robbie! Andromeda??

Ms Nike Morgan

"Most of the challenges in life we create for ourselves" - Aren't challenges sometimes a good thing?

Joseph Zodda

So for the first time I recognized one of the older actors sitting in that room. He played Earnest Littlefield in the season one episode of Stargate SG1 titled "The Torment of Tantalus", one of my favorite episodes in that show and possibly the best of season one. His name is Keene Curtis and he passed away in 2002.

Stephanie G Williams

Excellent episode! I loved the insight into Robbie's first directing experience. I also loved the fact that they both noticed how Chakotay was so devoted to his Captain, and would not leave that monitor in sickbay! Oh, and Rebecca's wonderful drawing of it (that of course needs to be a sticker now... the heart eyes version of it, please.) But probably my favorite thing of all was their open discussion about their personal spirituality, both then and now. What a beautiful journey they take us on every week! Much love to all of you who make this podcast possible! 💗💗💗💗

Utopia Science Fiction

This episode has always been one of my favorites. It really spoke to me when I was young and trying to reconcile my spiritual intuitions about the world and my desire to pursue the sciences and become an astrophysicist. This episode really helped me to find a kind of balance between the two. I still watch it whenever I have mini crisis-of-faith moments and it's always comforting. The sage's "If you can explain everything, what's left to believe in' line has always stuck with me. So thank you so much for this podcast episode in particular, and thank you Robbie for directing Sacred Ground!

Andrew Murray

So Becky Baker's character was definitely not Kai Wynn (DS9) then.... ;).

Kathleen Scherrman
>>57234213

She was the alternate universe version. (lol) What would Kai Wynn be like if she was nice and nurturing.

Justin Rhoads

I’ve noticed in the most recent years that whether it be video games, apps or products.... almost virtually everything seems to get released these days with a lack of care, quality or solutions. I’ve often pondered the reason behind this. Even the Facebook app has a whopping 2.7/5 rating. And it’s like people just don’t care about quality control anymore! But you guys are awesome and we’ll all find a way to keep this working no matter what!

Lisa Minnesma

I really appreciated the admiral's question asking if you guys consider yourselves spiritual and/or religious and how open you guys were about it. I knew of other cast members faiths but not everyone's. I really appreciated hearing your guys stories of your upbringing and appreciated that you didn't make fun of or mock faith but were gentle and honest in your response. Thank you!

Taisho Rose

I made a comment about this episode in a previous video where I said it gave me X-Files vibes. Turns out I was right!!! I like how Chakotay and Janeway's stances are flipped. Some people are commenting that they are acting out of character, but in my opinion it does make sense because they are both under immense pressure to save their crewmembers. Chakotay is incredibly worried about Janeway- her life is on the line, and that's the one thing that makes him stray from his typical faith in the spiritual. The more anxious he becomes, the more he relies on science to ensure Janeway isn't in any danger, whereas Janeway's breaking point is when Kes nearly dies, and she realizes she needs to move beyond the science to save her. I think this is an honest reflection of the real world- when under stress, some people who have never been spiritual in their entire lives turn to faith while others abandon it. I am so glad you brought up the fact that a lot of X-Files episode resolutions were ambiguous!!! That's definitely one of the things that made that show really compelling, and I would say the same for Sacred Ground. They did the science vs religion thing even more on Millenium, which was a show that was also made by the creators of X-Files. What a great directorial debut by Robbie. I enjoyed looking at the binder. Lisa Klink rose to the challenge and did an excellent job exploring faith through a Star Trek perspective despite her initial reservations! And I loved the supporting cast in this episode. Thank you all for another great episode of this podcast- and special thanks to Rebecca for the cartoon of Chakotay camped out by the monitors. I missed the funny cartoons!

N+D

A terrific directorial debut by Mr Neil Duncan McRobert

Dannielle Kaminski

Great episode with so much conversation sparking material! Speaking of X-Files, my older daughter was born in 2001 towards the end of that series run. I was aware of the X-Files but was definitely more of a Trek fan. I loved the name Gillian and figured that because of the popularity of the X-Files show people would know how to pronounce it properly if they saw it on paper as she was growing up. Boy was I ever wrong! I found her in tears more than once over how people butchered her name. I told her she could legally change it once she turned 18. She will be 20 this year and hasn't done it yet! Maybe I should have gone with Kes...

Miki Tracey

I just can't agree with Robbie. It wasn't too slow. I did NOT get bored and enjoyed the time spent on the actor's faces, at a faster pace, it get's lost. This is a faith versus science episode and faces show how we feel about what we are learning. I also loved the question at the end. I don't want to be told that science trumps faith or vice versa. I want to see what is in this piece that answers the question either way. This ep captured both sides....it didn't tell me which wins and i could walk away saying either one. I respected that decision.

Sony

Great writing and great directing!

Cass

I loved the end bit with the talking photos of Tom and Harry. Laryngitis!

ST Fan CB

RDM talking about how his plan had to be modified when shooting reminds me a couple of sayings in the military. One is "remember you can make your plans but the enemy always gets a vote". Another is "no plan survives contact with the enemy". Great podcast episode! Smooth, succinct, great guests.

The Real Andrew Kim

I always thought that waiting room was like a sauna and it felt like the entire planet was a japanese onsen style hotspring spa or something

Megan Moore

I never felt that the episode felt slow. I understand why you’d want to pace it up a little, but I enjoyed the slow pace for the episode. It felt very intimate.

Rachelle H

As a Christian let me explain. We are human. We make mistakes. That's why we need Jesus. A church is a hospital. And you go to a hospital to get better but not because you are already healthy. And not every one in church are Christians they may pretend or they may be going to church to figure things out. No one is perfect except for Jesus. So of course there will be hypocrites. There are hypocrites everywhere you go. Jesus came to help make us whole to guide us to do right. Anyway. Just explaining to what Mr. Wang said

Aimee

This is one of my fav Voyager episode. I love the depth. I wish more shows nowadays explored the seen and unseen boundaries between the evidential world, the world of faith, and the murky overlap between them. It's nice to see shows that encourage critical thinking and making choices in life that give back to the world in a positive way. So refreshing in this day and age full facade, shallowness, and selfishness. Thank you, Star Trek. ❤️

Aimee

Also, I didn't think the pace was too slow at all. In fact, it was perfect for this specific episode. The episode as a whole had a very mindful, intentional ambience, so the pace of the episode as well as the intentional focus on the actors' responses, reactions, and interactions matching this mode was perfect, I thought. It gave it a holistic flow which was very organic in nature, somewhat zen-like but even looser than that. Made me think of Alan Watts' lectures and talks. It was awesome.

Aimee

It also made me think of a prominent Tibetan Buddhist chat "Om mani padme hum" which roughly translates to "the diamond in the lotus". From my limited understanding, the essence of this chant is the balance between heart and mind, emotion and logic. It reminds us that the logical answer may not always be the best answer and also, decisions of the heart are also not always best. We must find the best balance of both for each choice we make. Finding that perfect balance is truly an art, an art consisting of logic and emotion. Like baking peanut butter cookies, the balance of sugar and peanut butter is crucial.