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Movie Mindset Bonus - Interview With Director Ari Aster (Patreon)

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2025-07-02 11:00:12
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2025-08-12 21:34:46
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Will & Hesse sit down with Ari Aster, director of Hereditary, Midsommar, Beau is Afraid, and the upcoming Eddington. They rap on evil movies, mixing stupid slapstick humor with pain & discomfort, creating a contemporary western out of the recent past, some of Ari’s favorite films & filmmakers, and of course…the all-consuming sense of impending doom & lurking doubt that surrounds us.

Check out Eddington, in theaters this summer on July 18th.

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Cool and Normal

okay, that's genuinely an insane get, what the hell

Joseph

Please do an episode with an Ari Aster and Ignmar Bergman movie

Anna

Saw the notification and clicked immediately. Watched hereditary completely alone at the movies at like 11am in the morning because I couldn’t be fucked going to class. Had literally no idea what to expect and left the theatre a changed person lmao

Anomalie

oh hell yeah!

parker

Considering one of their reviews of his movies (Chapo not mm) literally started with ari is evil fuck you fuck you. It's kind of hilarious

Drew McGill

Finishing this after I see “Eddington” lol

Matthew

Hereditary took years off my life, 5 stars

Drew

NO WAY

king_von_diesel

I watched Midsommar just after my girlfriend at the time dumped me. With said girlfriend's cousin. I wanted to die. 12/10 viewing experience highly recommend

Tim O'

The episode opened with Chris's voice and I thought some more libs were gonna get flamed lmao

Benna

Awesome!

John Cockshutt

Unbelievable get Jesus christ. Movie mindset really in a class of its own when it comes to elite tier movie podcasts. And that respect pouring off from the boi Ari for both chapo and MMS is so indicative of that.

justdave

Fuk you. I'm never watching 'Hereditary' again. great movie though

Greg Forsyth

A lot of the reactions to Eddington make sense after listening to this interview.

bruce

what the hell

Stealtreasure

I appreciate Hesse's love of the hollow moon megastructure. Reminds me how much I love moonfall, the movie where the moon is actively hostile to people and sneaks up on the main characters several times.

Jonathan G

Bro sounds like Nate Ruess

Maxwell

Hereditary gave me an existential feeling of dread so much so that I never want to watch it again. 10/10 thank you Mr. Aster.

Natalie

Oh damn ok will you got game

LET ME DELETE MY ACCOUNT YOU FUCKING ASSHOLES

I SO HOPE you have seen Ripping Yarns. Ari said it and thats all I thought until I typed this.(and paid AU$9) (the UK Michael Pallin and crew Boys Own book insane series of the same name.)

chubbs941

Ari dropping "roarshark" test is an insane easter egg for all the Felix heads

J

Insane

PostmasterFenian

I just want to remind you all that asters best work is about having gay sex with your dad- honorary ctown boy

Dongo

LFG

TLT

Whoa cool

RFK'S BRAINWORM

Not related to the episode but you two Chuckle-Butts should really do a small town double feature of Cohen Bro's Raising Arizona and David Byrnes True Stories

Excelsis Caeli

Please have Ari on as a guest for Ghoulvie Screamset this year, this was a fantastic interview

Invarios

very sad that when twitter conspiracies were mentioned, hesse didn't bring up "every celebrity is trans" it's all of them and it can be no other way

Robert Karnick

Characteristically evil of Ari to semi-spoil his own movie before it’s even released

Tim

What?!

Richard Cochnar

This is the only good interview I've ever heard with Ari. Only those with Movie Mindset truly understand his greatness.

——

Haha aster and menaker frantically assuring us they believe masks and vaccines are good

kitty pavlova

i watched beau is afraid with my mother #BeastMode

Dongo

Wow Ari is such a sweetie. amazing interview

MCL

Ari is a stone cold weirdo and I love it

Peanut Horse

Parker posey dying in BIA was so funny

Will

The most cogent film criticism I've ever heard was when Stavvy described the Strange Thing about the Johnson's as "a series of Ls"

J.W.

You gotta get PTA for One Battle After Another.

Caesaro

They didn’t like the Substance because it was evil, yet love his movies for the same thing. Interesting

Hesse Deni

A Serbian Film is like one step above Human Centipede on the Evil Movie Scale to me, it wishes it was Martyrs (2008)

Donny Topaz

Stop spoiling Eddington!!!

Hesse Deni

iirc I said I liked the substance because it was evil enough for me to ignore the fact it clearly took place in the video game GTA: Vice City lol

Caesaro

Apologies if I misremembered queen. I think I may have been thinking of Will saying he disliked it because it was so mean spirited towards its characters. Which is part of what makes a truly evil movie like that lol

Emma Howeiler

You guys are spoiling us latelyyyyyyy omg ❤️❤️❤️

Michael Ehrenreich

One of the few films where I was having a terrible time and I loved it

PostmasterFenian

Ari really needs to go on the only independent center left Jewish intellectual late night talk show

.

One of my favorite directors ever. My husband and I watch hereditary every Halloween since it came out and still pick up new things and have discussions. Ghost stories podcast did a review of midsommar last year and the Swedish guests picked up on some crazy shit that blew my mind. I have no idea if this was Ari’s intention but he makes films that make people think and it’s always rewarding on the 2nd or 3rd viewing. Signs of a great writer/director.

Dave

For a director capable of conjuring such evil, Ari is surprisingly affable. It's a phenomenon I like to call the Lynch Incongruity.

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He rocks and the other guests from the show return of repressed are awesome too.

Warbs

Excellent. Probably my favorite director interview from MM.

Michael Naatjes

When is the Neil Breen episode / interview?

Noah Mickens

Ari Aster is so great. Thanks for doing this interview.

Julian

It's crazy to think that one of the bad takes I've seen in the movie mindset comments, and thus automatically written off as the opinion of someone who's as big of an idiot loser as I am might've actually come from a very successful Hollywood director

Declan Kennedy

Great interview! This podcast actually lead me to revisit Aster's films because of the Beau Is Afraid discussion a couple of years back, I'd always bounced off them until then because it hadn't clicked with me that Ari's got jokes and the stuff I thought was silly was MEANT to be silly rather than a flaw. Hearing you guys talk about Beau was a bit of an awakening, now I'm an Aster-stan.

Bryan Williams

Seeing it for the first time just last week, the first film "Beau is Afraid" reminded me of was "Nixon," right down to the mommy issues.

Schaeffer Mallory

The absurd tragedy in the US is that lockdown cracked everyone's mind and made everyone asocial freaks, destroyed an entire generation's education outcomes, and did effectively nothing to protect people actually at risk of dying from covid. (This applies to the US - it's less clear whether NPIs were effective in China, where there is evidence they were able to control the spread of the virus through lockdown, but alas they have an actual state)

Eamon Short

Oh shit, since Adam Curtis this is thr best movie / media related Chapo get. Well done Chris, you don't get the credit you deserve! Also, Kill List by Ben Wheatley feels like a deeply evil film. I love it.

Koshin

Is that why places where "non pharmaceutical interventions" were enforced like Australia there was less covid and less covid deaths per capita than places that tried to undo social measures to reduce transmission? Wearing a mask sucks, not seeing your friends because of lockdowns sucked, it definitely broke people's brains, the answer isn't blaming the government's who rolled out measures (some more effective than others) to reduce the spread of a dangerous disease until a vaccine could be widely distributed.

A.L.

In Covid's Wake is full of misinformation, the podcast If Books Could Kill made two episodes on it with a lot of sources: https://pod.link/1651876897 . And here is a review that is focused only on the chapter about the Great Barrington Declaraition and the whitewash the authors engage about it: https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/laptopclassbook/ . There were problems with official policies but that book thesis is deeply flawed and not supported by research. And Stay at home orders had a demonstrable effect against the spread, even if they were not enforced enough : from a 2021 study: "Compared to counties that did not implement stay-at-home orders, the results show that the orders are associated with a 30.2 percent (11.0 to 45.2) average reduction in weekly incident cases after one week, a 40.0 percent (23.4 to 53.0) reduction after two weeks, and a 48.6 percent (31.1 to 61.7) reduction after three weeks. Stay-at-home orders are also associated with a 59.8 percent (18.3 to 80.2) average reduction in weekly fatalities after three weeks. These results suggest that stay-at-home orders might have reduced confirmed cases by 390,000 (170,000 to 680,000) and fatalities by 41,000 (27,000 to 59,000) within the first three weeks in localities that implemented stay-at-home orders"

Schaeffer Mallory

The commentator below is suggesting that In Covid's Wake is far more flawed than I understand, which is something I definitely want to look into, and I'm not sure to what extent they study Australia, but specifically in terms of US outcomes, they showed no measurable difference in covid transmission and death between cities and states that had vastly different NPI protocols (and vastly different adherence to those, they used stuff like cell tower data to determine places where people were sheltering in place). I'd be happy to be shown that their data is flawed, or that their interpretations are flawed. I also think the broader point may not be whether NPI's work in theory, but that in the US specifically none of them worked in practice.

Schaeffer Mallory

I will check these links out, thank you! I had not found any substantive critiques of their book otherwise, so this is helpful

Schaeffer Mallory

And they show that the vast chasms that eventually emerged in terms of covid deaths between red and blue states was due solely to vaccine rollout

Schaeffer Mallory

I've listened to those podcasts and read the article and they were super helpful. I agree that the authors misrepresent underlying mechanistic reality of viral transmission but I think that there is a broad truth to ICW, which is that lockdowns are only effective if they're basically permanent, which is not possible anywhere. And I think this is a real conundrum for public policy when the next pandemic hits - we can't just say, okay let's lockdown until this is over. It would probable be much healthier for the entire society to have a more multi-pronged approach, which involves very strict sequestration of the elderly and immuno compromised, but otherwise minimal restrictions - especially when it comes to school closures for children. As a side note, ICW does argue that masks only work when they're professionally fitted to one's face, and if not then they do basically nothing, and I'm still curious about whether that's true or not.

Joseph

Surprised he didn’t mention Visitor Q in the evil movies discussion.

Cullen S

Ari facking Aster! So cool!! What a treat for us Mindset Gooners ❤️❤️❤️ I listened to this otw home from vacation, while my kids napped. At the end I woke my girls up when Ari said he’s a long time listener.. I started hooting “ONE OF US, ONE OF US” and slapping the steering wheel

Hell Naw

Insanely cool interview

Hell Naw

At least once a week my 1 year old will do something innocuous and I’ll turn to my wife and say “He’s gonna be a little outlaw. He’s got that twinkle in his eye.” And my wife will have idea wtf I’m talking about.

Nomad22

IIRC, masking works in the sense that if one population (say one town) masks and the other one doesn’t, the masked town will have a lower transmission rate than the unmasked town. That can be important if you have a disease that gets so many people sick at once healthcare systems collapse and otherwise preventable deaths occur. What masking couldn’t do was completely eradicate the virus or even protect someone wearing a mask from contracting the virus forever. Masking also couldn’t reduce the chance of developing a severe form of the disease to practically nothing - only the vaccines could do that.

BlackWolfSkinwalker

Will warns about an Eddington spoiler at 29:25. When is that part over?

RFK'S BRAINWORM

Beautiful, hahaha! I named my Cat Young Sportsman after the movie. And I also say the "little outlaw" line to my partner about him. Good stuff

HamDrawn

What a fucking treat! Movie Mindset gone done it again folks!

Son of El Topo

I finally watched Beau is Afraid recently and it’s really stuck with me. I can’t really say it’s enjoyable to watch exactly but I really love that it exists

Michael Branes

lmao, i didn't know what aster meant by penis monster till i saw the movie, but i thought it was a vagina with teeth. nah, it's very literal hahah

Matt Dear

Beau Is Afraid was my favourite film of 23, and one of my favourites of the last 10 years. Every one of Ari Aster's films hit me deeply. Hereditary was revelatory, but I have only managed to watch it through once, I find revisiting it traumatic. Midsommar I've seen over a dozen times, and will continue to rewatch, it's a perfect film for me, oddly serene, deeply dark, layered. Beau, I've only seen once, as no one will rewatch it with me. My gf found Beau an excruciating watch, whereas I found it both funny, and weirdly calming. I have pretty sever diagnoses related to anxiety, depression, and panic disorders. I felt very seen, and it really did feel like an exploration of the absurdities of an anxiety disorder. It was as if my intrusive thoughts were instantly realised, which I assumed was the intent behind the direction.

Kendall

Will’s pronunciation of Gaspar Noe warms my heart. But I personally read his movies as having a rather conservative message, rather than a nihilistic one, at their heart. For me, Yorgos Lanthimos depicts a much more evil universe (as far as sadistic continental directors). Loved this episode!

Caroline Savage

absolutely delighted by this interview. cannot overstate how much i love evil movies. every october i try to watch 31 evil movies. aster is one of the only contemporary directors that is nasty enough for me

nawtrobar

Yorgos Lanthimos directed The Continental?

Sam

Ari Aster is a Warren commission guy? Huh…

Luna Zeidner

As someone who worked in local politics in 20-21 and had my brain thoroughly destroyed by it I cannot wait for this movie.

Matt

How tf did they get Ari Aster???

Sam

It was so evil for Will to throw Hesse under the bus w her “how does it feel like to make a movie that, if succeeds, ensures that no one will ever have sex eith you again” bit to Ari Aster

Eamon Short

"There's movies then there's reality" Will, that is the fucking least Movie Mindset thing one could say

Timothy Buttons

Absolutely on Lanthimos, Dogtooth was the first thing that came to mind on the evil movies question

Tommy U

at 21 minutes he delivers a perfect Christman monologue 10/10

Anthony D Cox

I had to see Eddington on the day it came out so I could finish listening to this interview. So hyped.

kron

Just paused when Will said spoilers. I’ll finish this tonight lol

kron

This is the best response, thanks for saying this.

Shane Ronan

Phoenix is doing his best Tim Heidecker impression in this (complementary) Kathy Bates should’ve been in this but 9.5/10 grinning the whole time

Gungo Gungo

Please let him talk he keeps starting to say something and you cut him off to talk more about what you think of his movies 😭

Gordon Schmidt

Halfway through Eddington (Tragically I cannot remember exactly when) an older woman in my theater said "You people are stupid!" and "Wake up!" before she walked out

Thomas Ceparano

Just saw Eddington yesterday and the Rorschach test is so accurate, everyone in the theater had a different bit that made them actual crack up out loud. No two groups ever laughed at the same bits though lol

Caleb Beck

that’s so hype going to see it again tonight in hopes this happens

Ctrane

Why did Hesse press him for specific details about a movie that did not come out yet at the time?

Johan Gambolputty

Just saw EDDINGTON. Holy smokes go see it in a theater.

Timothy Buttons

Just saw Eddington, two thumbs up! When I first saw the trailers for it I thought I would hate it, so if anyone else was in that boat I'd recommend giving the movie a chance

Hesse Deni

I’m actually very glad Will brought it up, it was deep on my list of questions and I forgot about it lol

m

all love but lol at 30 mins Will misinterpreting the jet scene as “antifa supersoldiers” and Ari pushes back about that interpretation of the scene because if you pay attention to that shot you overhear a white supremicist tv show playing that uses the nword with a hard R. The guy doing the pushups is doing it military style and is styled like a special ops militant. The movie (as Ari hints now here) makes it clear these are white supremicist terrorists conducting a false flag operation to make it look like Antifa

Agent Grange

My interpretation was that the Antifa supersoldiers weren't just white supremacists doing a false flag, but that they were somehow hired by the data company to assassinate the would-be mayor who was now vocally opposed to it's construction. I think that interpretation makes the ending scene make a lot more sense. But one of the highlights of the film is how it reflects real life-- you can ask yourself who benefits from these cases of horrific violence and have a good theory of what happened. But you can never fully be sure. There is no closure or resolution, there's just *the next thing.*

Michael Ehrenreich

Eddington rocked so hard, coming back to listen to the spoiler parts of this interview now