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1056 - Prophets Unveiled feat. Devin Thomas O’Shea (7/23/26) (Patreon)

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2026-07-24 00:00:09
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2026-08-01 16:22:04
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NOW UNLOCKED! Devin Thomas O’Shea returns to discuss his book on St. Louis’ notorious Veiled Prophet society. We look at St. Louis history as a microcosm of America, the interwoven history of labor & racial suppression, Parade Politics, the public mystification of white supremacy, and how modern secret societies forget to have a little fun with it.

Find Devin’s book The Veiled Prophet here and wherever you buy books: https://www.haymarketbooks.org/books/2770-the-veiled-prophet

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Joe

First

dfumps

Is this going to be Yellow King shit?

Evan Pitkin

Real True Detective hours.

Hank Massmann

As a St. Louisan I have been waiting for this for years

Ball Atreides

Fuck me man. Dude has already been on like 8 other podcasts talking about this shit. God forbid you guys talk about the defense bill

Josh Thompson

Where is Matt when you need him for obscure historical facts

Tim O'

When the book tour hits both TrueAnon and Chapo 🤌🤌

Naked Shitter

Whoah. Somebody talking about the ancient ruins of Saint Louis. 🙌🏻

Jeffrey Epstein's Assassin

Fun fact: The Anti-Mason party was created by a future Lincoln advisor named Thurlow Weed. He didn't have any problems with Freemasonry. He just wanted to blame them for a coordinated kidnapping and murder of a potential whistleblower. Then he used his multiple newspapers to try to undermine Andrew Jackson's presidential campaign. Did he succeed? You'll have to look it up yourself to find out. (No)

marxinalenina

I already learned about this from trueanon 😪😪

Jeffrey Epstein's Assassin

Fun fact: The Anti-Mason party was created by a future Lincoln advisor named Thurlow Weed. He didn't have any problems with Freemasonry. He just wanted to blame them for a coordinated kidnapping and murder of a potential whistleblower. Then he used his multiple newspapers to try to undermine Andrew Jackson's presidential campaign. Did he succeed? You'll have to look it up yourself to find out. (No) Devin briefly mentions the event. It's called the Morgan Affair

Swaggypeepaw

The masons 100% did do the Morgan affair but the ones who did it were drunk morons there is an amazing qanon anonymous episode on it.

Swaggypeepaw

What high school did you go to

Harry P. Ness

do you think the Veiled Prophets taught her to give it dry and toothy?

Jake Degeneffe

I mean....yeah....what the hell? Didn't we JUST do this? We just had a very interesting but entirely filler episode about Christian lore, and now this? Felix needs to stop his creepy obsession with religion, it's beginning to stop being an eccentricity and become outright "writer's barely disguised fetish" material. Talk about the defense bill, talk about the rise of mainstream socialism in Wisconsin and California, talk about the Ellisons getting by their own shareholders to stop the WB purchase, talk about something present.

Anthrope Salmagundi

Further listening: The Dollop #483/484 (the George Pullman episodes)

Brian

No complaints but damn who gives a shit!

Nicholas

Maybe you’re listening to too many podcasts

John Morgan

Just make this guy a freakin host already

Joseph Robinette Biden Jr.

sorry for a double comment but i thoroughly enjoyed the analysis of parades and marching bands one of my favorite interviews since DEVO

mex207

Will M. is a great interviewer.

Tvvvv

This is Mardi Gras

pepperjerk

I just thought the same thing trueanon, trillbilly and blood work have covered this book already and I’m like okay we get it

EliteBaalKnowledge

Perhaps this should be a sign that you need hobbies other than listening to so many podcasts

The Steel Harvest

he was so good on True Anon (even without Liz 😔)

mex207

^also Chunks! Chunks! Chunks!

Cumtickles

I have my vibrating panties set to Chapo drops. I’m a guy by the way 👰‍♂️

Chris

What's up with the defense bill

Xi Jinpenis

I'm switching to trillbillies. This show has lost its sauce.

Burning Hell

The counter-Veiled Prophet Society already exists: the Insane Clown Posse

nick schultz

We'll remember that attitude when you guys are out there trying to promote your books about being First and Gay.

Dirk

Snoozefest

BROKEN JAR

unlike some of you fools i simply didn’t listen to any of the other pods during this guys book tour anticipating he stops at chapo eventually so to me this is full flavored slop

Jon Shields

If you need these dorks to give you some sort of confirmation or validation that the defense bill is bad, you need to touch grass

dfumps

Do you think you just fell out of a coconut tree? 🌴

Naked Shitter

I had a boss in Saint Louis who was once the Veiled Prophet Queen. She directed the National Clearinghouse to outlaw Marital Rape.

Ted Lavender

I’ve heard this fella drone on about this subject on other podcasts going back years and I think on this one too at some point during the later Brandon imperium.

Andrew Ratcliffe

Veiled Prophet is from Khorasan a region of Iran and Turkmenistan I think. The Starwars planet is Coruscant

nick

I have to imagine that Chapo listeners have already heard this exact same discussion on O’Shea’s recent appearances on adjacent pods.

Xi Jinpenis

it's a politics podcast. it always has been.

Xi Jinpenis

most of the women who post here are.

Chris

I listen to 36 podcasts a week. This topic has been covered on at least three of them and I am NOT HAPPY. My wife is NEVER coming back.

E. GONZO

Man, a lot of yall are greedy for that content. Let them cook every once in a while damn

bowlio

St louis boys eating good tn

Hot Rod

T-Rav Nation

Hot Rod

Personally, IDC. STL needs this reckoning, and Devin is good people.

Hot Rod

I wonder if another guest canceled or Felix overslept from playing too much War Thunder

Hot Rod

Exam is next week, no notes allowed

Hot Rod

There’s plenty of time to interview Francesca Hong.

Hot Rod

parenting.

Travis

Felix does not begin speaking

JD Nonce

I wanna hear all there is to be said about Peter Thiel’s secret society

John Lisowy

Everybody complaining that Devin O'Shea is making the rounds and Chapo is behind a half a dozen other podcasts. But I, for one, have always enjoyed Devin, especially from QAA, and am glad to hear more of him!

m@tt

This was peak soy

Agent Grange

Will sounds like he has some mighty jowls this session. Don't mean to be mean but did he get a molar pulled or something?

Smith

Respectfully, Cushvlog project update? This ep highlighted Matt’s lasting contribution to left thought.

Andrew

God dammit dude fine whatever I’ll buy the fucking book.

Ted Lavender

And qanon anonymous like three years ago

Tim O'

Ohhh, I've always thought Star Wars just takes place in Turkmenistan

Josh Bobst

I was riding my bicycle around St Louis one day, and a college-age country club kid in a Dodge hellcat who had been along with me for a series of traffic signals, when he got to the signal where he could get on the freeway on ramp, peeled out and yelled out get a car, fqggot! To which I yelled back, cars are stupid! But that experience makes more sense in light of the St Louis ruling class's history, And how they might view the rebellion against cars as threatening.

JC

you listen to 9 podcasts?

Ball Atreides

Im getting married next month and work a full time job suck my nuts

Sam

I only listen to two podcasts and Devon hasn’t gone on Doughboys yet so this was a fun episode for me.

Mac

I sure am glad that nothing of import is going on in the world so we have time to hear how Midwestern Hicks are racist for the eighth time.

Oliver Clozov

Damn it's not like it's been a slow news week... Was hoping to hear them weigh in on NJ or the coming second Palmer Raids

Henry

Felix begins speaking at

Doug Cartel

This is clearly trolling, but brownie points for accusing him of some kind of fetishism instead of autism

Doug Cartel

"Hitler's American Model" discusses how earlier generations of Americans saw Germans as their "cousin-race" of sorts who had their own "cast-from-Eden" story about how they all lived in a free utopia until the landlords came, but idk if anyone even knows about that today at a mainstream level

Doug Cartel

5 guys called the Big Cinch? Like Cinco? Makers of the Tully Toggle?

Zach H.

I’ve viewed secret societies as groups of very boring people trying to invent something interesting about themselves. But with goofy costumes and elaborate handshakes.

DoleWand

People bitching and moaning but I'm just stoked chapo is talking about St. Louis

ZeeBee

Wow, some of the people commenting on here are as insufferable as the people who used to post on the chapo subreddit. Go outside and calm down.

m p

This is like a very weak version of New Orleans carnival society and you should absolutely look into it

Plarp

Is it really much of a secret society when they've done 8,471 podcasts about it

Anders

You're paying 200k a month?

paul

I strongly endorse the Chapo boys exclusively doing history, religion, movie, tv and scripted comedy episodes until the swines in the chat have been thoroughly disciplined

Anders

Why doesn't Chapo consider which other podcasts I listen to and coordinate topics between them all so that I get my personal idealized balance of subject material?

Borice 19

did you listen to all 8 of them?

Borice 19

I remember about 7 different occasions when they explain that Felix doesn't participate in interviews because they dislike the idea of two different people asking the questions.

No

"A very rural sense of mardi gras" ass politics

Drew Elliott

Made me think of Matt's love for Lodge 49.

t o r t

You’re right, Felix talked WAY too much in this one. Give it a rest!!!

Sean

Between this and the latest TrueAnon ep, we're getting such a clear picture of how capital and militaries/law enforcement love to crush labor movements. JFC they should all have their heads on pikes.

No

It is very funny how fruity these guys were. A bunch of slave-owner lindsey graham type guys being like 'yo come to our secret society meeting its guys only and we're dressing up in costumes and we're gonna have a big ol gay parade and afterwards we're doing an ancient masonic ritual where i get to suck your dick'

notbrian

thats on you for listening to other podcasts

Ted Lavender

Speaking for everyone in my camp, it has more to do with how this is not a new topic or even an interesting one. I joined this patreon in order to hear dipshits speak to me about current events in a way I understood, not to hear a drone buzz about a subject which has no bearing on a coastal elite’s experience of the current moment for the umpteenth time going back years depending which other slop you have imbibed. If you enjoy this and the hosts do also then I have my orders but things have changed is all.

Chris

Even podcasters making $200k a month are allowed to take a vacation day

C

dawg get a 2nd hobby

shinyfailure

Why does Will sound like he’s having dental surgery

Skooks

If this is interesting to you, take a minute looking at the old line krewe debutante societies that preside over Mardi Gras in New Orleans. It's exactly Veiled Prophet except there are several clubs and they basically own everything in town.

Vic Perry

Absolute trash comment, half the talk has been about how it was/is ANTI-LABOR DUHHHH. Why do so many commenters obviously Pay For Chapo without actually listening to it???

Vic Perry

The number of people who pay for Chapo in order to whine about it here every week is amazing. Great episode, and no it was not just a rehash of the TrueAnon interview, because talking to Brace and talking to Will is 2 different talks.

Skooks

They even discuss Mardi Gras during this interview as though it is some kind of counterpoint. But the same failure to do "role reversal" described here also obtains in New Orleans. Rex, Comus, et al are also social and economic elites dressed up like kings and gods just dabbing on the rabble in the streets. All of that was invented by New Orleans Carnival societies.

Ben

We get it folks. You listen to other podcasts too.

Messalina

Vro i dont listen to 200 very different leftist podcasts so i can hear the same thing over and over again!!!! DO BETTER

Vic Perry

I will warn them you are coming.

Vic Perry

Camp Lavender strong! Ted here does not speak for all of us at Camp Lavender. It is not "my camp" Ted, it is "our camp".

helvetica.hottie

Oh y'all would love the Cotton Carnival lore in Memphis too A lot of this stuff going around

Adam Ala

No Jordan Walker mention 0/10

Turner

The Pepper theory has the special forces snipers in position around the Lorraine, but never they never took the shot. He posits the kill coming from the overgrowth across the way by a mobbed-up intelligence asset and gun runner named Raul Pierra. (Coincidentally finished Orders to Kill by William Pepper just yesterday.)

Ted Lavender

Then why is it named after me?

Richard Cochnar

Veiled Prophet did the same thing that ARC did. They’re just letters! The R doesn’t mean anything anymore!

Mike

Yes but what about me? His non-begotten man child who misses his wise mentor? Should he value his family over me? Yes, the answer is obviously yes.

Travis

😘

Michael S. Judge

This is one of the interesting St. Louis - Kansas City splits: by the time KC was anything even remotely resembling STL, in terms of population, money coming through, organization of semi-automated rackets among the people who owned everything, the political necessity of pretense was pretty much dead. That rugaroux, charivari, Courir de Mardi Gras shit would've been laying it on a little goddamn thick. KC was, and remains, segregated as a motherfucker, and nobody cares about the astonishing rates of violent crime in Those Other Neighborhoods; money flowed upward from the river traffic and the stockyards, where my grandfather made his living staring at cattle, up into the coffers of the real Machine, in which banking, liquor (bootleg or not), drugs (legal or not), and the local Mob all played musical chairs for the Democratic Party, which was essentially – in aggregate – The Money Company. We dropped nuclear fuckin' bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki and effectively committed genocide in Korea because one of the Pendergast Brothers thought Harry Truman was a "likeable-type fellow" who'd be of more use as a soapbox frontman than as a traditional debtor, and indeed he fuckin' was. Any of that quasi- or post-revolutionary fervor from midcentury Europe, especially socialism in Mitteleuropa – really from the 1848 leadup to the 1871 breakdown – was dead-fucking-gone by the time Kansas City mattered to anyone but literal horse-traders. Charles Olson, onetime employee of the OWI, quit the Democratic Party when Wallace was booted in 1944 and Harry entered as, like Olson said, "harbinger of all that Kansas City horseshit." There's a reason, apart from mere fact, that Scorsese put the bosses from CASINO in Kansas City. Our one-line municipal poem should be "BOSS SAID SO."

Jason Matthews

Clifford Clark, along with his partner not-that-Robert Altman, is more responsible than any other person for the BCCI affair. He was the bank’s in house counsel stateside, and presided over its expansion/cross sector spending spree (from savings and loans to fracking and cable). It seems that his project to outflank organized crime by mainstreaming and massively expanding its methods dovetailed his entire career. Joe Biden was one of two senators on the Judiciary committee who was wined and dined by Clark and the bank. Jesse Jackson got the same treatment. I wonder what role this has played in amalgamating American with Gulf financial interests, and making the Democratic Party what it is today.

Dillon Lamb

Someday the country will recognize my great state for more than just bbq, and crack, and incredible fishing gear. One day they’ll recognize our wide array of freaks. One day.

Michael S. Judge

And Rex Sinquefield, hand on fuckin' heart, is the guy who offers straight-from-school scholarships and jobs to all the "higher-achieving" alumni of my Jesuit Nazi school, as long as they don't have any politics that won't translate into currency. I found out 5-6 years after we both graduated that perhaps the biggest dickhead I ever knew was/is Sinquefield's Youth Outreach Coordinator

Michael S. Judge

Hold that: the possible biggest dickhead I ever knew is now Senior Fellow of Education Policy at Sinquefield's Show-Me Institute, and recently author of NEW AND BETTER SCHOOLS (Rowman and Littlefield, 2015). Guess what we should be teaching in those schools, so better, so new

Here, Try This

Read some the letters the Confederate generals wrote to each other during the war.

Basil

Not a bad ep... Just recycled... and he was better on War Nerd

ploob

First and gay.

Andy Kraushaar

Love all the people bitching about him being on other podcasts talking about this recently and I'm just over here enjoying it even though I already heard him talk about it on QAA before the book was even released. I love Devin. His work is always phenomenal and a great listen.

Andy Kraushaar

THE HISTORICAL/RELIGIOUS/FILM EPISODES WILL CONTINUE UNTIL MORALE IS IMPROVED

Kevin Boyle

The podcasts will continue until morale improves (or you buy his book)

Nicholas

Damn dude how sick does your listening setup have to be to hear jowl size? I’m expecting a headphone amp with the glowing vacuum tubes at minimum

Luke Smith

I don’t know if it’s mentioned this episode, sorta wondered why there was another on the veiled prophets, but Wesley Bell’s campaign manager being a part of it is… incredible.

Luke Smith

ayyyyy We Feed Us and tenants unions are growing in KC

Luke Smith

ts sounds pretty much like NOLA old money, which yeah ik they ripped debutantes from us. still weird as hell.

Luke Smith

Old NOLA resident was gonna say this is like tip of the iceberg

Filius Fob

42:43 ...or Romper Stomper, which predates American History X, which was probably Russel Crowe's first breakout film.

Michael S. Judge

brother, I hope you're right, but Kansas City has an immaculate geological history of Pinkerton boot soles where human faces used to be

etienne

glad Will popped off on the NUMTOT point about highways destroying communities intentionally because it's true. the Man wants you alone in a car

Andrew D

You should be listening to a maximum of 2 podcasts

helvetica.hottie

Swear to god it's been so nice to hear this guy mention Matt's knowledge on these subjects. No fewer than 3 references to Matt's research on the topics. Refreshing to hear, truly.

Return of The Mac 2nite

Oh boy can’t wait to hear about this guys very specific hyper fixation for the 6th time

Mike

Lived in STL my whole life. Really appreciate you guys covering this. Devin really puts the contradictory thoughts I have always had about this city so damn well.

Darius Arian

We need our best race scientists to get to the bottom of why every white guest in his 40s sounds indistinguishable from Derek Davison from American Prestige.

Bobi Jon-son Kenobi

I imagine in that story about John Sutherland, other than the Confederate cap he is naked, his penis completely flaccid

Neuradink

For real, a good bit would be to bring brace on too

Simon

You can escape the podcast dimension by listening to more music

Smith

Just a glance the RSS feed looks updated and uniform…🤞

Jack Perry

I listen to 400 podcasts a week and my family fucking hates me

Ian

Very interesting episode!

ambition420

As a non American I find these episodes very fascinating, as I don’t know much about St Louis, Missouri or its history. But why would I. I’m from Brisbane, Australia.

EXN

Terrific episode

Beef

I work for WWT and Dave Stuart does a weekly prayer call. The veterans group also routinely posts TPUSA memes. Can't wait to join the IBEW!

Ruairi Mc

Funny this guy brought up medieval shrivery as the legacy of these supremacist matches and seemed surprised by Will's much more obvious connection to protestant supremacist marches in Northern Ireland

Michael Branes

Gender relations are also strained because of this affordability crisis. A majority of folks are living paycheck to paycheck, atomizing all of us into this self consuming survival state. With tech culture invading more and more of our lives, folks financially strained are trying to “optimize” everything involving money and time spent with other people

Hot Rod

This summer we learned If you write 400pages for Haymarket Books, it’s the demsoc equivalent to a 3-hr Marvel movie.