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1068 - American Doctor feat. Mark Perlmutter and Thaer Ahmad (9/3/26) (Patreon)

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2026-09-04 03:20:17
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2026-09-08 14:13:17
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Mark Perlmutter and Thaer Ahmad from the documentary American Doctor join us this week to discuss their time working as doctors in Gaza. They discuss what they witnessed in Gaza during the genocide, their attempts to persuade politicians on Capitol Hill, the medical industry’s willfull blindness to Palestinian suffering, and what needs to happen to cure the cancerous ideology of Zionism.

Find all things about the film including where to see it here: https://americandoctorfilm.com/

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Bone96

Not first and gay

Corndog

I am gay

kenton

gauw

kenton

fist

Bone96

Oh god this is gonna be a depressing ass episode

lordnykon

Man just reading the title I’m pretty sure I know what this is about and I just don’t think my soul can handle this right now

Twerk dancer (edited)

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2026-10-27 12:00 Put an emoji that describes your love life right now, without thinking about it 👇
2026-09-04 03:23

Michael (edited)

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2026-09-04 05:00 “Truth telling is mandatory.” Should be a central tenant of any “professional discipline.”
2026-09-04 03:27 “Truth telling is mandatory.” Should be a central tenet of any “professional discipline.”

“Truth telling is mandatory.” Should be a central tenet of any “professional discipline.”

Travis

Felix begins speaking and making wiggerofvienna kiss his penis at 8 minutes and 43 seconds

Ham Stroker’s Jackula

This doesn't seem like an episode where you should write "felix begins talking at"

Travis

Too late

A Kayyy

Felix is dead

jg

Another reason to hate israel, ruining all my content

Michael

20:13 great material analysis about the “Geopolitical money grab” that is the “Greater Israel” project. Don’t hear about that angle very much.

Michael

Whoops. I’ll fix that.

Wesley Campbell Caretto

Having seen the documentary, I can assure everyone it is as soul crushing and infuriating as you can imagine.

Salt M. Bank

This episode made me think of Will’s (very fair) criticisms of Brad Lander on a recent episode. We don’t learn more about Israel and more nuance is revealed, it simply is shown to be even more evil than we previously thought. There is no room for liberal Zionism anymore (nor should there have been long before), and both liberals and certain leftists don’t seem ready to cut ties with the Landers of the world.

slimthiccyaddle

Gotta put this one on the free main feed boys.

Joe D’grinda

infiltration or competing power base to the duopoly. Nothing else will work so anti imperialist/ anti zionist party can exert power and control

Sexual Harry Potter

Liz, I’m not sure that “swarthy” means what you think it means and I would recommend looking up the definition as soon as possible

Liam CZA Noble

Agreed. That is the rotten heart of the matter

Jack

what comment did you leave on the true anon episode?

Michael

14:53 Ben Gvir is actually a Mizrahi Jew whose parents were from Iraq.

Sexual Harry Potter

Lmaoo, wtf I’m glad you said something because after I posted it I was like “it didn’t show up, that’s weird”

Hotsaucebob

This guy's loves hitting a rewind lol

Alex C

This guy Perlmutter is going beast mode

Alex C

Christ almighty, read the room fkin sex bot.

Nick

You really fluffed us with the long Roth ep

JenXer

Thank you guys for this interview. This is the issue I have been most upset about since it started. I feel like I’m screaming into a void about. Nobody seems to care about the Palestinian people or the war crimes being committed with our tax dollars. Thank you for shining a light on it once again.

Joe D’grinda

damn Perlmutter is so candid and blunt in speaking, it freakin rocks

Clay

This obe definitely needs an unlock

jer

Dr. Perlmutter is hand and upper extremity surgeon and ortho trauma. Legendary stuff.

Hugh Jazz

We like to joke around a lot on here but for my money it’s hard to imagine a more special or impressive type of person than “volunteer emergency pediatric surgeon in the Gaza Strip”.. grateful to get to hear from these guys, for whatever that’s worth

Chubby Justin

It bears repeating: Kamala would have been worse

Ian H

Multiple incongruously funny moments where Dr. Ahmad's Arab politeness doesn't allow him to go along with Dr. Perlmutter's unshackled power of rudeness

Antichris

mainstream media would focus more on the "eww look at his harsh language tho, sry invalidates any salient point he's trying to make" lotta that goes around past, present, and future as regards anyone who speaks against Israel in specific and US warcrimes in a historically general sense. perlmutter was right the mainstream media wont echo any of this and cry wolf if it gets any exposure/momentum

Dustin Nelson

This one's really hard to listen to but I think it needs to be shared widely, maybe this one should hit the youtube channel

Antichris

The more exposure the better with this one

Brent

Worlds are colliding!

Randy Long

This makes me so angry and heartbroken

yohn doe

testing to see if 'pionist zigs' triggers the Comment Hidden algorithm

T4Tina

That .02% Dr. Perlmutter mentions in the opening are the bravest, most heroic men on the face of the planet Earth.

anonymoose

This should be unlocked, people need to hear these stories.

Will Menaker

We will, unlocking tomorrow.

Matthew Corriveau

Haven’t listened yet but I was really worried that I would be heading into the long weekend on too much of a high note so this is perfect

Jake Creighton

I would like a Matt update. Haven’t heard from him in a while I hope he’s doing well

Isaac Salazar

Felix can’t stop talking about the technical behind these bombs the doctors couldn’t care less.

Peter

DTI

T

Correction: Ben-Gvir came from Iraq. Many Arab Jews have become extra racist to ingratiate themselves with white Jews.

Mr.Crispy *

I'm at work and I'm literally thinking the same thing. Can I handle this right now? Is this what's going to destroy me for the day? FUCK

yohn doe

he was so dismissive haha

🧛 Chudidiah Smith 🎃

Super depressing. Gaza this…Gaza that. Wake me when there’s a Dutton Ranch episode

Reed

Facts

Reed

I can’t listen to this one boys. It’s gonna hurt my soul too much honestly I don’t think it’s good for my brain. Thank you for your service though

Joe Quigley

Wtf I'm trying to get grill pilled

notbrian

more circumcision talk

ST Promotion

This doctor cool as hell. May God keep and protect him

Esteé Dee

I agree. More people need to hear this.

Joe Hillside

Yeah just wait till you have the bandwidth. I destroyed my mental health last year listening to this type of stuff first thing in the morning frequently. It isn't going to change anything for you to delay listening for your own mental health so by all means

MadamAjab

There was eventually a good Washington Post article about the babies left to die, decompose, and be scavenged by animals at the hospital, it just was was published much later than it was initially covered in Arabic news and I believe one of the original journalists who went in and discovered them and took the pictures that "proved" it to Western media was executed by Israel a year or so ago. Of course, mainstream media and the tv news cycle didn't think that story deserved the level of coverage for example someone's tweets or Hasan Piker warrants so...

Dylan Wintersteen

Gaza is what Peter Thiel wants to do to every human on earth.

MadamAjab

I've followed Perlmutter's (as well as Feroze Sidhwa's) coverage since they first went to Gaza and they're both wonderful and relentless in trying to get the message out, but as blunt as he has always been I definitely feel like he's been radicalized (and I mean that in a positive sense, rightfully so) on the subject of Israel over the last few years witnessing what he has if you compare his unapologetic hatred of zionism now to his early interviews and it's heartwarming.

Cody Ross Rex

That’s been my inner calculus with basically all my fav chapo affiliates lately, is this good for my soul today?

MadamAjab

God forbid some of us like to have a description of the penis of everyone we listen to if they're up for it.

Jonathan Thomas

This is disgusting. To paraphrase adam friedland, “I don’t care what happens to Israel.”

Evan Clarke Resendez

When are the heads going to start rolling I’m so over this shit

chris cheshire

This was an incredible conversation. These two and all of their colleagues are fucking superheroes - we owe you everything 🤍

DT

You're a good man, Will.

Klemke

The Democratic party that the DSA is so set on "pushing left" in 2026 just voted to make it illegal for American universities to not be invested in Israel.

Ali Rayray

Cant imagine anyone seeing what they saw and not come to that conclusion

Chris

So far so good

John Lima

Joining in and requesting this be made free

Sex With Ted Cruz

God I fucking love Mark Perlmutter. I have been digging up every interview I can with him since the beginning. The way he explains everything in such a cool straightforward and candid way is so refreshing.

Ana

the well of depravity has no bottom

Jbone

Unbelievably brave people.

Hoople Dingbat

I think most of us actually have very strong opinions on what should happen to Israel. Ideally, something that makes it perfectly smooth, so that life isn't so rough; something flat, so that everything's equal; something with a mirrorlike surface, so they can reflect on what they've done...

Matthew Krueger

Just finished listening at work. I'm sure others have already asked, but this one needs to be unlocked. Thanks.

Wesley

UNLOCK THE EPISODE! Thank you Chapo and Doctors!

Steve Manjowski

Incredible guests which Will and Felix interview with humor and diligence. All around top shelf quality Chapo. 🫡 This well makes up for the “Australian episode” a few weeks back.

Steve Manjowski

Couldn’t agree more. Compromising on Apartheid and Genocide to build a “more electorally viable coalition” is to sacrifice everything that you’re fighting for in pursuit of a win -of which you have made via concessions of our core principles- ultimately devoid of substance.

Ray

gawd i remember seeing some show in the aughts on msnbc or some horseshit about how moral and excellent the doctors in israel were—they fucking do the same level of great medicine on even terrorists—and to prove it the program let some doctor tell of how they saved a guy whose bomb vest misfired. and when they brought him back from death the guy inquired about his heavenly reward (bc "he thought he was in heaven") and haha we told him no you are in israel... i was a centrist dipshit then, and even that lie was a bit much. the part about the babies shoots down all of their medical propaganda, overshoots and slaps the shit out of any possibility of a loving god in this universe that would put up with our shit

Peen Israel

Thank god for people like these doctors.

Adam Urato

Was just listening to that Amodei ep. Feel like she thinks it means “shady” or something lol

Absolute Unit

Really ought to unlock this one. People need to hear this

Michael Rosen

As harrowing as this episode was, it genuinely filled me with a righteous anger Also going to see this documentary since it's actually screening in Ann Arbor

christopher plaza

Can you guys put this one on YouTube? I want to share it with people

Real-Life NPC

This episode got me to realize that my profession has been silent on Palestine too. In my case, that profession is structural engineering. Dr. Perlmutter's observation on institutional silence seems correct for my profession too, and for the same basic reason: don't fuck with the money. It's depressing and disheartening.

Will

I was once an activist film student making student projects about the labor movement and BDS and one thing I never figured out is why filmmakers who make this sort of work -- politically and socially important -- would waste time on things like film festivals, trying to get distribution deals, limited theatrical releases and the like and then eventually pay-walling it behind paid streaming services. Like if the message is this urgent put that shit on YouTube today. Put it on Pirate Bay ffs. Copyleft it and encourage file sharing. Though probably from my position on this you can guess I didn't "make it" in the documentary film industry and now do other things.

Julian

This guy is a lion

Emily Richardson

Nothing wrong with prioritizing your mental health. It gets hard to only ingest sad things.

Cascadia Breadloaf

Kind of bored of this so moving on to new things good luck with another 10 years of commenting boss it's Definitely worth it 👍

Eamon Short

I swear, Israel read Kafka and took away the wrong message at every level. It's meant to be a warning, not an instruction manual.

Christopher Price

that's not what happened? there were 33 defections from the party line, but even if they were fully in line it still wouldn't have been enough to overcome the GOP majority, which saw only 2 defections. in 2018 an anti-bds bill was proposed and that bill had 76 Democrats cosponsor it. so it's almost as if there has been a push to the left, and can be made effective by ending the GOP majority. go shit in a different punch bowl.

Travis

“you say goodbye, and i say hello!”

Klemke

Considering "there were 33 defections from the party line", my point stands. Democrats voted for it. Voting as a united bloc is the bare minimum on issues like this, whether or not the measure will pass. Republicans do it all the time. Stop making excuses for these people. "It can change if we end the GOP majority." C'mon jack. It's like I'm back on every liberal blog I was ever banned from.

Frank Lee Dontcare

I didn't care for his drawing of distinctions to highlight a flattened conception of innocence, primarily because they're outgunned. They're justified in returning the violence of their oppressors back on the entity. Theres been many more that have fought and died for the last 80+ years with support of the population. Theyre probably being tactful with their support for the resistance. I sure hope they're more like radicalized physicians such as Che and George Habash, but it just made them come off as cagey.

Wilko

Fantastic Guests. Kudos to you for this interview.

Degrassi Knoll

Agreed. Chicken fucker is most likely not in his lexicon

nick

Minor correction- Ben Gvir is Mizrahi, his parents are from Iraq.

khannesfilmfest

C'mon guys unlock this episode already I want to share it with people

bruce

thank you Hugh Jazz.

Tvvvv

Amazing heroes. Great episode.

J

Yes, there were "33 defections from the party line". The party is dogshit.

Timothy Buttons

Being attached to a major distributor lends credibility to a project. That distributor will also advertise the film, getting it out to more people. Plus, if a documentary is successful on the awards circuit it can get a lot more eyes on it, look at No Other Land. You can argue that those things aren't substantive, but at that point I think you need to acknowledge that filmmaking (narrative and documentary) isn't really a driver of change

Will

Yeah for sure. In reality I was just annoyed I couldn't watch this film yet.

bowlio

Really appreciate the guests you guys have had recently. Its great to hear from people outside of costal commentators

Phillip Mims

Anyone notice how fervent Germany is about supporting the Israeli state? I have a hypothesis. It’s not simply guilt, it is that German nationalism is what inspired a young Theodore Herzl, an Austro-Hungarian Jewish man; however because of his ethnic background, he would remain estranged from the social and cultural pan-European identity, and all the prestige that entailed. Thus, his writings and ideology spread throughout Jewish academia in Europe, and long after his demise, he left a Pan-European Jewish/ Pan-Ashkenazim ideology, which essentially carries the German model of industrial slaughter into the future. Just as Israel’s campaign of mass murder heightened the religious zionists and their fervent desire for more bloodshed inside the country, the AFD is starting to get startlingly close to power, just as the America’s violence against it’s immigrant population has also risen. Germany recognizes in Israel, a true confirmation of it’s nationalist ideals. I am high, so sorry.

Wrought

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K H

HA!

K H

Oh good. I needed something to clean my guns and do naked karate to.

K H

It was too confusing when I watched it, but I enjoyed the ride.

COM

Yum, veggies

Bob Meninger

The issue of the DSA’s involvement in any existing political institutions is a very open question internal to the org right now. There are distinct left and right factions arguing against and for further integration with the dems. The left had a ton of strength nationally right now and could force a more hostile stance against liberal opportunists soon. I mention this to highlight the fact that the DSA is not an organization with a set party line on involvement with the dems. This is an active political issue under active struggle in the org. If you are a Marxist this should interest you

Wrought

Very endearing moment when he tries briefly to justify his use of the word prostitute as an insult against aipac money recipients and it makes it sound way more insulting to both zionists and prostitutes. His heart is in the right place.

Klemke

Respectfully, I am not interested in an organization with no enforceable party line, no defined platform, and no plan for wielding power aside from a vague promise to maybe become more hostile to liberals "soon". IMO these DSA "socialists", many of whom run from the label as soon as they win their primary or embrace/protect liberal Zionism, will be used to paint the acceptable boundary of leftism in this country as they are co-opted, absorbed and neutralized by the Democratic party. The "democratic socialists" will become the new version of Democratic "progressives", another term that was steadily watered down to meaning nothing at all in a party whose prime directive is stomping the left.

Nina

This made me cry, such horrible tales of death and destruction. These men are stronger than i could ever be

J D

this shouldn’t be behind a paywall. also beyond embarrassing for felix to chime in as if his time playing video games makes him qualified to speak on the carnage on the ground.

Erik Bourre

hearing what these guys have to say makes me want to DO something about it. Goddamnit.

Robert Dragani

Why would you put this behind a paywall?

Fuckfaceitis

Yeah I’m an electrical engineer and all our professional orgs and institutions are all very quiet about it as well. I was surprised to hear what Dr. Perlmutter said about medical professionals being the most fascistic and most prone to genuflect before capital and power. I previously figured it was the engineering profession with the worst reputation for that

Alex R

What senator is Dr. Perlmutter mentioning when he talks about their office being closed to the doctors three separate times? I can’t make out the name.

Real-Life NPC

If you want to learn more about the engineer's role regarding capital and power, then I would strongly suggest listening to the Blood Work podcast episode titled "The Facilitators: On Engineers w/ Gareth Dennis & Justin Roczniak". I'm not sure if the episode is paywalled.

JenXer

Thank you for making this shareable. I think more people need to be aware of what’s happening in Gaza.

Man2quilla

Brad Schneider hasn't responded to an email I sent 2 weeks ago so I think I need to send him another one... or 10.

Floodlights

This one really hit deep - glad I’ve got one theater in my “liberal” city that plans to show it but absolutely plan to see the film when it shows up in a few weeks. I didn’t need convincing but this really hit home with how truly fucking awful and insidious this shit has become. Wild it needs to be justified to anyone at this point but I guess that’s the point of hasbara.

Fuckfaceitis

Good ol’ Roz. I’ll check it out, thanks

Dirk

Never thought I would be sobbing listening to Chapo. Excellent interview listening to these brave men.

BlackWolfSkinwalker

turns out it was sweet potatoes with marshmallows and brown sugar