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For the most part, we here at Player’s Club try to avoid discussions on what the “best” game ever is. It’s too difficult to even pick a “best” From Soft title because each game seeks to accomplish very different goals through very different methods. There is no real fair way to evaluate the quality of a game that came out 7 or 8 years before another, just because the technological advances alone allow for the younger entry to probably feature deeper gameplay elements and larger, more intricate worlds. That said, if you put a gun to our heads and asked us to select the closest thing to From’s best ever single work, we may have to say Bloodborne.

This week, Hesse from Movie Mindset and Seeking Derangements was kind enough to join me. Throughout this 7 hour bonanza, both of us become overcome with emotion discussing the nature of belief, meditate on the modern, postwar culture of Japan, become disgusted by Fromsoft video essayists’ unfamiliarity with female biology, and finally take Simon the Harrowed down a peg. This is one of my favorite episodes I’ve ever been a part of, so there’s a 50% chance it will be widely despised. Nonetheless, enjoy!

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Peter

whirligig blade is better than moonlight greatsword

king_von_diesel

You lunatics. You madmen. Only men with eyes lining their skull would put out a 7 hour podcast. This has to be a recession indicator

Mungo Franczak

“They’re not beasts you fist. They’re people.” I fucking love this game more than life itself. I was an Xbox kid growing up, and I waited nearly a decade avoiding all spoilers and info about Bloodborne until in 2023 I finally bought myself a ps5 and ripped through the game in a weekend. There will never be another game like it, especially if Sony keeps it in IP hell along with destiny, another game that has a stranglehold over my life. Looking forward to this listen.

Borice 19

wow, sure sounds like a game that two trans women could talk about for hours on end

Son of El Topo

This came out right as my flight is boarding, hell yeah. Gotta agree that this is the best Fromsoft game. I managed to avoid spoilers going in so some of the reveals were amazing.

Mungo Franczak

Also can i just say that trick weapons are fucking awesome and they should’ve added one or two to Elden Ring? Like the saw blade/spear is so perfect

notbrian

several years ago i played this game for 30 min then uninstalled, and have not thought about it til this notification

Aria

cursed defiled amygdala is by far the hardest boss in the fromsoft games . harder than orphan harder than PCR harder than isshin

Jack

This one's for you, Mungo Mergo Franczak

Sierra

I’ve been on a huge souls kick and Felix having trouble with amygdala is so relatable. In my most recent play through Ive taken out most bosses first try except one. The witches got me it was stupid and I’m still embarrassed

Zuppo

Man, Bloodborne saved my ass in 2022. First Souls game I ever played, while I was working nights as a new nurse and absolutely losing my mind from stress and isolation. Hunting beasts and abominations between dealing with real world horrors was incredible therapeutic. It totally did not make me gay or anything.

Tim O'

Why is he STILL calling her "Hessee" 😭

Mark Murphy

I wonder if Bloodborne lore scholars will be mentioned, like Redgrave or Sinclair Lore. Really curious about our duo's takes.

Mungo Franczak

Notice how he didn’t say harder than DoH

Jack

shouout shadps4! honest to god open source software is one of the best current examples of socialism in practice and how it can benefit.

Nick

It’s really kind of you guys to post these at the beginning of the work day

Daniel

Almost a full time shift at the Laugh Factory

Mojo55

I bought a PS4 and Bloodborne to play this for the first time last week and honest to god the trans woman at CEX was flirting with me because of it

bangoduck

hell yeah. my intro to From and still one of my top games of all time

Isaac Andersen

Lord give me the strength. Every episode is longer than the last. I know I don’t have to listen go fuck yourself though

Peeteethree

I can’t imagine waiting that long to hold onto the sanctity of a blind playthrough, but Bloodborne is probably the game most worth it. There really is nothing like it. I have vivid memories of spring 2015 playing Bloodborne and watching Fury Road foolishly thinking that media (or things generally) would keep getting better. Silly me.

Will

A hoonter must hoont

brewdog

Hesse AND nearly seven hours of content on a game I've never played and probably never will? I'll be in my goonette cave for the foreseeable future, if anybody needs me

Tuxedo Mech

Ryan Murphy is working on an adaptation

Agent Grange

My comment keeps getting autofiltered for some reason so I will simply say Bloodborne is a game about being born as a hairy, stinky man and wanting to be reborn as a beautiful smooth squid and I can relate to that.

Mungo Franczak

One of my favorite details about Gehrman is you can find a book on the table next to where you first meet him with a title like “How to swoon courtly dames” or something like that, bro would’ve been deep in the pick up artist pipeline

Mungo Franczak

Living Failures is fucking rough bro but at least they have a dope soundtrack

Mungo Franczak

I’ve been obsessed with HP Lovecraft and cosmic horror from a relatively young age, so when Bloodborne was first described to me by my uncle, who had a PS4, as Lovecraft meets dark souls, I knew it would be one of my favorite games of all time and I swore to myself I would experience nothing about the game until I play it myself.

Sampz

Someone didn’t seek arcane

birdguy123457

Of course this comes out as soon as im done working

compact individual

Eileen has a Yorkshire/Northern English accent not Irish!

Aaron C

These are entirely to short

Michael Stromboli

I like these episodes where the guest comes to the table with ideas and things to say.

Kevin Boyle

Horseshoe theory. Felix is too masculine to be considered male.

Black Foliage

We are born of the slop, made men by the slop, undone by the slop… our snouts are yet to descend…

Mungo Franczak

2:01:00 Ludwig has this dash attack he does that is soooooo satisfying to dash into followed up with a melee

Mungo Franczak

2:01:00 Ludwig has this dash attack he does that is soooooo satisfying to dash into followed up with a melee

Mungo Franczak

The easiest way to get to Djurah without aggroing him is by beating Darkbeast Praahl and getting into old yarnham thru that door you open

Tvvvv

Hessie

Twee247

Laughable, ridiculous, absurd, comical are all synonyms for risible

bean dlunt

that's why you have to listen to the seeking derangements collab episodes

Nathan

If Hesse keeps saying period this is gonna be a brutal 6 hours

Jake

This one only dropped in the inbox of those who have enough insight

FA

THIS TOWNS FINISHED

Henry

Is there anyone at all willing to listen to you for 7 hours

I Go Ga-Ga For Goblins

It would have been funnier if they dropped this episode on Mother's Day for thematic purposes

Mungo Franczak

3:18:00 I couldn’t agree more with Hesse, playing as a woman in Bloodborne really adds a whole new depth to the story

Sierra

Also hesse knowing about the uncanny burial blade is such incredible ball knowledge. It’s my favourite video game weapon and getting it early is so great. Just truly an incredible opinion that I’ve also held for 8 years and it’s the first time I’m hearing anyone else talk about it

Blank

Felix: “some characters speak only for 17 seconds and have 17 terabytes written about them” 👀

Will

Once again requesting a Felix/ Jacques spotlight episode, too see how long it takes until the first punch is thrown

J O T

Wheres the directors cut. I deserve this as a paying member, also you cant be a newgen chapo fan without shipping hesse and felix

dan rose

Favourite game of all time Looking forward to it

babs

Eileen has a Yorkshire accent!

Wolfgang

Approaching Hesse’s name the same way I approach “Worcestershire” I see

Nathan

Not if I had an annoying ass catch phrase. I like Hesse but it gets old. Good ep overall

Klemke

Folks is it okay to transvestigate people if you're doing it out of parasociality rather than a place of bigotry? Questions for our time.

Klemke

Sekiro is the game I have the most fun playing through but Bloodborne is the From game I appreciate the most by far. Elden Ring has nothing on it. IMO it was the peak of From's world, enemy, and boss design.

Stop the Spread

7 hours?!!! You don’t want anyone listening to this, do you?

Carl Ivinger

Isn’t it a Yorkshire dialect rather than an Irish?

Leonora Calzogna

i love bloodborne i love felix i love hesse!!!!!! the giamatti cyberpunk dream had me screaming and sobbing...

worm

I love how listening to these guys for years I never thought to look at their photos, Felix looks just like how I imagined but way larger and more beautiful than expected. Oh yeah, this episode rules!!! I work for parks and rec. also! I’m ga

Jtdre

Trying to track all the different tangents discussed here is as difficult a task as understanding the lore of Bloodborne. The several minutes long digression about Night City Paul Giamatti was as beautiful as it was self indulgent.

Mike

Two Felix likes for 7 hrs

Rastopop

Should I listen if I've never played any of these games?

Mateba

Azuma and Kojève references in the first 30 minutes let's fucking goooooooooooo

Mateba

waiting for the Derrida name drop

Ocko

And to her face AND NOBODY EVER CORRECTS HIM

vansdan

Felix occasionally reveals just how smart and well read he is. I was not expecting Japanese culture to be discussed through a lense of syncretism and gnosticism lol but I love it

nick

I got extremely into Bloodborne and all its lore when it came out. At the time I had a foot injury that kept me inside and seated, so I was a captive audience.

james

I like that Felix sounds like the AI colonel from MGS2 in this ep

worm

I forgot about the npcs yelling at you, that shit rules

Zack Burke

I'm like 3 hours in, and I've never played Bloodborne- but when do you play as Olivia Benson? Is that some game of the year DLC?

Cullen S

I’m 40 and got to this game very late like Felix , Sekiro is probably my fav, but this is a close goddamn second place. So throw in my miserable work commute, hype for this, and 6 hours of lore slop WITH Hessie on mic.. baby we got a stew going for keeping the intrusive thoughts out ❤️

Henry

Your catchphrase is "waaaah waaaah"

Declan Kennedy

This is one of the From games I haven't played because I've never owned a PlayStation so I'm playing through Dark Souls 2 again while I listen to it, and yeah sometimes you're just a bit off with a boss you've killed hundreds of times and it takes way more attempts than it should. I'm embarrassed to admit that for me on this DS2 run it was The Pursuer, been one and done with almost every other boss but that guy pasted me repeatedly.

Janeeee

thanks for helping my shift go by quicker 🫡

Bobby Lawn

Felix's dream dialogue at 1:40:00 has me laughing so hard I'm crying at work

Bobby Lawn

"my whole family died like a dog in a wreck that shook the world" holy shit I can't breathe

David

What is the book they mention?

Brandon

3:43 the term felix is searching for is seme/uke

Robert Karnick

My first time playing BB I thought the riposte animation was bugged and making my weapon disappear, til I realized you’re canonically jamming your first into the enemy and ripping out their guts

Michael Balls Penis

I think there’s a linear correlation between these series eps getting even better and the increasing number of mispronunciations per episode. All glory to the Ah mig doll uh ❤️

nick

They already adapted Bloodborne as a TV movie. It’s called “And the Band Played On.”

nick

In fairness, a character in the game pronounces it like that.

Mitchole

Can't stop thinking about hunter Vinnymac doing the beast blood pellet ground challenge to impress the doll

Tim O'

Fun fact, "Recession Indicator" is the Moon Presence's name in the original Japanese

Let's Get Medieval

My friend and colleague recently edited this volume on how the European middle ages are represented in Japanese anime and manga. I think a lot of people in the U.S. view European history as simply "old", while Japanese creators view it as the truly alien world it really was. Maybe this contributes to the creative ways they use the imagery of medieval or Victorian Europe, ways that go beyond standard steampunk and D&D. (Shamelessly plugging her work here, btw: https://www.jstor.org/stable/jj.40494817)

pdschmidty

I’d like to admit now that I stole several softball and darts trophies from Billy’s on Grand while Felix was a bouncer there . . . and I’d do it again!

Fat.5 domino

7 hours of hesse? Let’s goooo😤

THEKILLERWHALE

Felix: These data centers are a cancer on our society! Also Felix: Can we turn a town on the edge of El Paso into a vacuum of electricity and precious water to store a single episode of me talking about a ten year old video game?

Duncan Shepherd

Church Pick Church Pick Church Pick Church Pick Church Pick Church Pick Church Pick

Rock_Punchgroin

Something Felix doesn't seem to know is that *all* these games are in English with Japanese subs in Japan. (Except Sekiro). It's a stylistic choice to make the games seem western, and I think it's also why the writing/acting is so fucking good.

Bubba Ho-Tep

Felix says aliens 1:52:06 in

td1469

It’s worth mentioning that, when this game launched, the load screens were like 2 minutes. It used to just say the title on a black screen no item descriptions to at least read. This was my first From game and fuck those loading screens actually drove me nuts

Mungo Franczak

Yesssss Hesse, fellow Martyr Logarius hater. I don’t even hate the run back all that much, it’s just the fucking boss that is complete bullshit

Mungo Franczak

4:22:00, I’m almost certain the consensus on One Reborn is that it was Mensis’ first attempt at summoning Mergo before they made the Nightmare

Mark Murphy

I never considered the Moon Presence viewing us as its surrogate and holding us because it's behaving like a parent. I thought it just wanted to drain all our blood echoes, like a cosmic parasite. The idea of it recognizing our capacity and desire for amazing violence, and pulling its punches, makes me think of when I was 5 and my dad let me win at arm wrestling. Now I feel slightly guilty for killing her so I could become a baby great one. Though can you even kill a great one? Probably not, they exist in multiple planes and we kill it on just one. Actually, even though she's apparently dead, the Hunters Dream continues. So did we inherit the, uh, hosting duties of the Dream? Or maybe the Doll is the Host?

Mungo Franczak

5:00:00 my favorite thing to do here is hunt the beasts with the blood drunk hunters, kinda making a private truce with them until they’re dead lol

Djonin Stark

So much vileblood slander. Look, the knight wig looks fucking awesome if you understand that there’s nothing cooler than being a simp for an insane goth chick who commands you to drink her blood. The devs understood this when they put the Katana there.

Djonin Stark

We are made men by the vocal fry. Undone by the vocal fry. Fear the old creak

Juni

best co-host so far

Percy Plump

I think the discussion is around 3:00:00, Felix claims that motherhood is the central theme of Elden ring. I think that’s a misinterpretation from Marika being the central character of Elden ring. SotE more explored her being a mother but a lot of the exploration of her character in the base game is primarily about her political and military ambitions and relationship to Godfrey and radagon.

David Biendarra

Gaol is just an old spelling of jail, learned that visiting Australia

drunk cig

Why is she still calling him Gas Coin??

drunk cig

Just the like MGS series, it's shocking how much you misunderstand about these games. You mention that hollows are those without purpose, but that's not correct. Hollows are beings trapped in a cycle of endless routine, they've lost the spark of humanity that makes them capable of being creative, and therefore destructive to the greater order. Hollows have been beaten by life and exist as shades. Hey, it's a metaphor. Okay, let me just put more of my opinions here: Vendrick in DS2 is supposed to be the player character from DS1 who did not link the fire (the "canonical" correct ending. The game shows you over and over how Gwyn's world sucks and you're supposed to end his order, definitively). But the world of DS2 also sucks and Vendrick, like Gwyn, has gone Hollow and the world has stagnated and everything is shit. Hey, it's a metaphor. You're supposed to see that no matter what you do, everything is supposed to reset and evolve to stay fresh. You suffer from the struggle, then you suffer from success. Anyway DS2 also sucks really bad because the guy who directed it didn't understand hollows. They're not supposed to plot and gank and follow you forever. They're on an endless watch. They shamble toward you and mindlessly attack, stuck in the same endless routine.

Robert Karnick

Somehow the 30+ minute tangents about random TV shows only enhance this experience

Percy Plump

Hesse is a better cohost than the others (Spencer being a close-ish second), although her having the closest rapport with Felix does lead to some stinker side tangents like “here’s a weird dream I had.”

Ranni

SotE clearly had different writers

Joshua P. Kelly

huge oof on the connecticut mention 😭😭

Peter Flynn

The edit was so cruel playing the clip right after Felix said "Irish accent"

Grock1199

I still haven't got past failed experiments

Percy Plump

Why is half of the episode talking about other games. I get this is Felix’s indulgent series but it’s just fanboying out without much analysis half the time

Percy Plump

Repeatedly making fun of a shmuck video essayist that only made 3 out of 4 connections with mensis -> moon -> lunar cycle -> menstruation is annoying when felix glazes far dumber soulstubers. Like that person literally wouldn’t even be incorrect. the moon is a big theme (due to it being associated with femininity). Rom hides the blood moon. The final boss is THE MOON PRESENCE.

Percy Plump

Neither of them apparently realized the goal of the mensis ritual, hesse says it’s scary because it’s a totally inexplicable mystery with nothing even alluding to it. Like, the game tells you pretty directly what the school of mensis is doing. What is she talking about.

Jackson Hammett

Can't wait to seethe at all the things Felix gets wrong

Michael Austin

the holy Trinity is dks1, bloodborne, and sekiro, imo

Michael Austin

think it's cuz the world map/levels are most coherent to me but it could just also be vibes

Amos Leager

I always thought a great detail in The Hunter’s Nightmare was the dying wail of the blood drunk hunters when you kill them. It’s just the most tragic, tormented moan of defeat, misery, and horror. One of the most affecting bits of audio in a game overflowing with them.

Sage

No Dark Souls 2 was last week

Michael

Too long. Bad.

Kiel Cone

Hesse is out of touch about Metallica's continuing popularity. Their tours still outsell Taylor Swift!

Andrew Cross

the only of these games I’ve platinumed. I think I did the DLC on NG+ too lmao?

Josh G

buffalo mentioned

Dank Spilf

ill never play the game but i like the discussion. is felix vaping the whole time or did he get his wisdom teeth taken out the day they recorded this?

Borice 19

I guess every from soft game is like that.

Agent Grange

Only in Yharnam can a street dog become a lil squid. Did they say that? I'm only at hour like four.

erose

This file is almost a full GB lol

Borice 19

Transvestigation is a little different.

angel

It's his Chicago speech impediment 🥲

kiahl

In the story Miyazaki tells about reading English books with pages missing and trying to piece it together, i've always been convinced one of those had to be Book of the New Sun, cause i've always connected the chapter after the Alzebo fight where Sevarian explains Zoanthropes to be like, a DIRECT explanation of the beasts in Bloodborne, humans on some level removed from the idea of society or civilization, but still somehow more than animals.

Tanner Robbins

cum dungeon finally mentioned 4:18:50

Andi Galvin

Felix made two woman characters in elden ring. Interesting.

Percy Plump

Him constantly bagging on first berserker khazan is so strange. Khazan isn’t even trying to be a dark souls game. saying it’s aping ds3 is baffling. It’s a character action game, it’s more like ninja gaiden or metal gear rising than the souls games. (It’s not a good character action game btw, it’s mid/bad) And glazing lies of p like this is painful. LoP is fun and all but it is just so much more amateurish than the souls game, the story, the dialogue, the level design, the visuals, are all only GOOD if you compare them to other non-fromsoft soulslikes.

Kevin M

Awesome discussion at the beginning about postmodernism, love how these games deconstruct ~30 years of gameplay, story construction in games, etc. Lies of P sucks compared to bloodborne, what is ergo, memories, the soul, radiation from a random alien arm? Why did the hand of god mutate a bishop into a dude inside a dude, who's the second dude? Every character is basic as hell, wimpy batman rich guy, annoying blacksmith, C3-PO, who cares? Why is there a bunch of random pop music playing in this art deco hotel? Stiff combat, weapon combinations superficial, main character is annoying to look at. Shit sucks, sorry.

cosmia

let's go girls

Skitzaf Raynik

The main thing I’m learning from this series is that I’m actually dumb and bad at these games

Blaskovich

All the kin bleed pale, too, just like the doll. You can see it easily when you kill the celestials. That's what I thought they meant from the start, calling you a Paleblood, that you have whatever is required within you to complete your rebirth if you have the will and insight to make it through the gauntlet. If you lack the will, you die to Gehrman. If you lack the insight, you are put in Gehrman's place. If you have both, you are reborn. My read on it is the entire setup is like a S3 project from MGS2 to turn you into a great old one. You have to complete the gauntlet in order to prepare your mind and body for the rebirth process.

Joel Marks

Hearing about he choir and the nightmare makes me believe that OSRS was taking a lot of inspiration for some of the content.

Alex

Bro is so triggered about everything

Alex

Tldr

Sydney Thomas

Inspired, love how much fun they had just chatting, loved the dream portion of the ep!

Percy Plump

Just keep your snout down in the trough piggy, if you don’t care about criticism don’t look for it.

Brody Knaak

Felix owes us that Lies of P episode. "PERIOD"

Tony Secary

Hesse spittin’ in this one. Loved it!

Pip Fantastic

This episode made me finally play Bloodborn. It's amazing 👏

Turn Burgler

On Amygdala, I always thought all of the various versions that are hanging around were just manifestations of the same being since each great one is unique

Peter Annee

I thought the dream was Queen Yarnhams baby. Mergo? Presumably since the last boss is their wet nurse. Somehow, keeping that baby sustained in the nightmare would keep everything going. When the nightmare ends, the dream begins to fall apart which is why the flames begin.

William Pearce

The 20 minute SVU tangent was legendary

Yairo Martis

Damian Lewis really is a schlock king. Yes, he was great in Band of Brothers, but he's still willing and able to be in stuff like Billions, or Dreamcatcher, and recently Gal Gadot's The Runner.

ScorPWNok

Someone please please teach Felix how to pronounce 'risible'

Major Powers

There’s that one YouTuber who put out like a 20 hour video explaining why Fallout 3 was bad. These are rookie numbers.

Jake I

Finishing this up - Felix could record a separate addendum on why you agree with the falstaff reference and maybe speak on it from your own perspective for an hour or so?

Son of El Topo

So I didn’t get to listen to it on the flight because it’s so long it kept failing to download on the Patreon app. Luckily I am back home so now I have listened to this episode about Felix’s dreams and also Elden Ring

Collin Kovac

The sheer amount of ADHD in these episodes…

Vivian Irby

I like how nobody has ever talked about this game in a way that actually describes what the levels are or what the story is. This is just all over the place.

Jon W

"I should do a Ray Donovan" episode says man 1:30 into a Ray Donovan episode

Jon W

So nice of Mr Chapo to unlock the Unlimited Content feature.

Kimmy Zergo

I thought she was Welsh? I’m a dummy though

compact individual

Nah I'm sure it's a Yorkshire/Lancashire accent, but I'm from Yorkshire so I'm more attuned to the differences. I could see how you could get it mixed up though. I think Elden Ring has more Welsh voice actors.

bolcast

Here for the squid baby

Carls Manager

I really enjoyed the 30 or so minutes throughout this 6 hours where they discussed the video game Bloodborne!

Matthew Lester

I want you to know your delivery of “Bloodborne: become alien” made me laugh so hard I droped the dish I was washing.

Sultan

bloodborne podcast *look inside* Felix talking about elden ring

Rooti Tooti Giuliani

I absolutely love this series. All the talk about the dream level design made me think of that old Xbox game Psychonauts.

Rene

Consort is fine now imo since he keeps bringing it up

CARRIERHASARRIVED

Episode Grade: B-, 83/100. I can provide some notes if desired, but I give credit for recognizing and discussing the obvious themes of motherhood, womanhood, and the joys and pains of family, as so many somehow overlook them.

FWIWDept

Favorite FROM game, worst episode so far. Hoped to gain insight, but got frenzied instead. PERIODT

FWIWDept

It’s like she just learned the phrase. I have a hunch the Chapo guys hate it but don’t wanna come off as queer joy kills.

EaZy E

I've never seen, In Too Deep... so the title refers to sodomy? A little on the nose, but ok Lol

ttypes

If you transvestigated Ben Mora it would probably make his whole month

pq

the best thing about this series is when you've been listening to 20 minutes of riffing about SVU characters and then you get a bloodborne OST drop and you remember what you were actually listening to

Ry

Finally got to the end of this one, absolutely loved it! Every episode w/Hesse is a gem❤️, these were some my favorites non sequiturs of all time

Kane Shirley

Felix was gunna say the rifle spear isn't good but its rifle forms R2 fully charged is pretty strong and mor importantly covers so much distance that its a solid weapon, it carried me through the paarl fight this playthrough

Chris

Very insightful!

Chris

There’s so many parallels across the whole of his work and Gene Wolfe’s. You’re not alone!