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572 - The McGloughstein Group feat. Daniel Bessner (11/1/21) (Patreon)

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2021-11-02 04:11:43
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2026-06

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We’re joined by Daniel Bessner, co-host of the American Prestige podcast, for a remarkably focused and thoughtful Will-less episode. We discuss Trump’s recent statement about Israel “owning” congress, Josh Hawley’s thoughts on masculinity, and the Lincoln Project’s bungled attempt at a false-flag operation to make a Republican appear more racist. Then Matt and Danny tell us about their new Chapo mini-series “Hinge Points,” which will explore some great historical “what-if” moments. Hinge Points will be posting on our Patreon for all subscribers on Fridays, starting 11/5.

DECEMBER SHOWS:

Catch us at Asbury Hall in Buffalo, NY on Wednesday, December 8th https://www.eventbrite.com/e/chapo-trap-house-tickets-201713088277

And at Warsaw in Brooklyn, NY on Thursday, December 16th (with music from 95 Bulls)

https://www.ticketweb.com/event/chapo-trap-house-warsaw-tickets/11487515?pl=warsaw

(NOTE: these ticket links will go live sometime Tuesday, 11/2. Do not complain about the links not being live now. We will make dedicated posts on Patreon and Twitter with the links when they go live.)

MERCH:

Check out new merch and restocked favorites over at shop.chapotraphouse.com. New merch goes live 9 a.m. ET on Tuesday, 11/2.

SUPPORT HOLLYWOOD FOOD COALTION:

Go to https://hofoco.org, click donate and leave the note “Mandy Challenge” to support Josh Olsen’s fundraiser.

AMERICAN PRESTIGE:

Finally, make sure you go check out Danny and Derek Davison’s podcast American Prestige:

https://www.patreon.com/americanprestige

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hrtzgod314

Hello from Missouri: No, they do not need to learn that

TimBob RN

PSA from your friendly socialist Nurse. Get vaccinated you dingus ! Flu season is here. Covid and flu vaccines are free at most public health facilities. Stop smoking , stop eating shit, reduce stress, exercise at least 30mins a few times a week, get good sleep, see your primary provider and dentist at least biannually. We need our movement healthy! Universal Single payer healthcare now ! Solidarity comrades!

Ben L

No will no will no will no will no will

Will

Chris you have to restart the router.

Kasz

Stop personally attacking me

Kasz

+1 for American Prestige. It's basically the foreign policy show Chapo would have made if they got their shit together and got tenure somewhere.

Gengeros

Any time you hear someone say it is antisemitic to oppose Israel, please post that clip of trump saying that from this point on.

Gengeros

Also aoc, illan omar, and the rest are liberal zionist imperialists. I wish they were what trump said.

Gengeros

Oh my god every fucking time I have to hear about us politics I want to pull that thing Reagan did where he said “I have outlawed the ussr forever” but for the us government. Cant we just declare the us government like illegitimate?

Sirloinofice

I mean Trump meant it in the ZOG conspiracy way and that's like the worst way.

Gengeros

Republicans learned well from democrat politicians that all you have to do is say you are bringing the jobs back and the hogs will believe they had already did it in their gated suburban home.

Shauna Seroquel

Haha primary provider? Dentist? Reduce stress? Nurse are you from the future, do we have all that shit up there?

J P 3

The VA GOP candidate's name is Mitt Trumpkin. He was the CEO of one of the most politically connected private equity firms at the federal level. As far as "CRT" goes in Virginia, there is an added subtext for generations that grew up going to schools named after confederate generals (even in the northern most parts of the state). Even as late of as the 1980s you had textbooks in the state parroting the Lost Cause narrative. On the Dem side, the Dems have a significant structural advantage at this point. If McAuliffe loses, it will likely be a question of motivation and not turning out the base. I would put a lot more on Biden's continuation of Trump's immigration policies, Biden's failure to motivate younger, irregular voters by reneging on student debt and climate change legislation. Cuts to thing like unemployment benefits also probably are a net loser for the party. On the other hand, if McAuliffe is able to win, it may end up being because of work that he did on voter re-enfranchisement as Governor (e.g. individually signing pardons for over 150,000 former felons, which is among the best thing he did as governor). As a governor, a lot of people expected very little of a Clintonite Yankee like McAuliffe, but on balance he did a decent job and left pretty good favorables after his first term.

Gengeros

One of the biggest sins of the Nazis is that by the 1920s to 1930s there was a starting to be a reexamination of American, British, and French imperialism and just how horrible it was and all that disappeared with Nazis. Like we are only just now starting to see India really examine how many 100s of millions slaughter by British imperialism or talks about the issues of land back and back to Europeaness and reject whiteness in America.

Jonathan lees

Yeah Napoleon is a bit left out. The beast

Gengeros

I think a good Hinge Points episode would be on the anti-party group episode. It was an attempt a faction the communist party ussr lead by Georgy Malenkov and Vyacheslav Molotov in June 1957 to remove Khrushchev over his liberalism and and his denunciation of Joseph Stalin. Basically the Stalinist faction had a majority of the presidium that voted to remove Khrushchev, but corn man had the military under Georgy Zhukov on his side so the Stalinists couldn’t do anything. What would the cold war if the sino Soviet split and the huge loss of communist membership over destalinization and would ending liberalization had prevented a collapse of the socialist bloc. There is a good argument to be made that socialist bloc just had to wait till computers to economically plan their economies and the capitalist west would be doomed. Problem was Cold War and us sanctions holding back computer technology in ussr. I think the ussr could have won the Cold War if Khrushchev was removed in 1957 before he damages and splits the socialist movement.

Jeff Martin

I am about 15 seconds into the podcast. I am commenting. I am drunk, obviously. Will isn't here? Good. He needs a vacation from being the boss hoss. Blessings. Anyway. Get Daniel Deluxe on the podcast, I'm sure this guy kicks ass but I'm only 40 seconds into the podcast

leonard

felix is spot on about how disgusting it was to watch democrats turn legitimate anger and mobilization into new talking points and political/media careers. still makes me sick to my stomach to think about

Jeff Martin

The new Tokyo Rose (synthwave artist) track is also good

Alexander Fuchs

Yeah, I would like to complain about the links not being live. Can I speak to someone's manager?

Jeff Martin

The highs and lows of the new Tokyo Rose track remind me of being gay

MC Ritz

I’m as depressed as Will. Knowing everything is a lie is pretty much heartbreaking.

Gabriel Bowater

"He looked like a cat in a costume" fucking killed me

Isaac Jones

Zapata Oil hats in a merch drop when?

TimBob RN

If you seriously need help finding and paying for care , let’s exchange contact info . I’ll help you find it . I am studying to become a family nurse practitioner and want to help my community the best way I know how.

Aaron Baer

Will you just work in the ICU already & go for Acute Care NP. MAN UP BRO!!

blackFFillip

Fewer uhhhs, but Chris with the pinch hit effort

Daniel Collins

I am sitting in the center of Oneida. Fuck you too

Connor Francis

When you guys talk about UBI it reminds me when you talked about it a year ago and said it was inevitable. I think it's underestimated how much these people's (reps and dems) ideology is getting in the way of something like a UBI which is necessary to keep the gravy flowing all other things being constant. It's like people who are really in to the Roman Empire and think it's fall really started with the grain dole even if it was necessary to passify the restive Plebians. These countermeasures will be taken later than necessary and less than is needed at that point.

Joe

Thank you for not releasing hinge points only on Stitcher

FeloniousUnc

Are they calling Josh Hawley “Josh Hallway” on purpose? I got excited/angry because I thought there was actually some dude named “Josh Hallway” 🤬

FeloniousUnc

Lmao are you fucking serious? His name is “Mitt Trumpkin”? As if we needed any more evidence that we live in a simulation

CT

That is NOT the name of the GOP gov candidate. It’s Youngkin

grimbo

STOP JUDO ERASURE!

Mr. Lobotomy

Really excited about all the mini series coming to the Patreon

Derwood

Uh, someone inform Matt that Island Boy hair is not Marge Simpson hair, it is Sideshow Bob hair. Sickening to see him engage in Island Boy erasure and such casual racism.

Jacob

More “this is sus” let’s fucking gooooo

Dean

The Chapo version of What If? called “What the Fuck?”

KingKirbyTheNewGod

This show is so much better without Will. Haven't heard a single Eternals reference from them yet

dead loser

Matt, despite being anti-anime, earned weeb points with his use of "Gaijin".

KatrinaJadeHelm

Matt putting in the effort on changing up the Youngkin names. That’s pure value-add, like going from first to third on a bloop single to right-center. Respect

Sean

Real banger episode

Monty Tenderson

my head is too big and round for hats, would love a zapata offshore shirt

SF

Wrong.

Weedcat

Looking forward to hinge points, the discussion around anti german town names in this episode was really good, there is a town nearby me in CA called Ojai which was called Nordhoff until around WWII when they changed the name due to anti german sentiment

Nobody

As a Northern VA person I would not be shocked if McAuliffe loses. He won in 2013 by only 2%. He has to hope all those early votes are for him

Tanner McCullough

Hell yeah! 95 Bulls were one of the best parts of FRQNCY1

Liam Fleming

anyone have any sources/recommendations about the “mystification of material politics” that matt was talking about?

A RQ

Best ep in a long long time.

Allie

not following on “feminizing the economy” and valuing female traits more in society i don’t really get what he meant

Wesley Thompson

The new series sounds amazing guys! Looking forward to it

William Beamish

why are you depressed? There are so many wonderful "Bored Ape" NFTs to buy. Some of them have hats

Jessica S

Love that the series will be Patreon. I can cancel my Stitcher sub now, since y’all were the only ones I followed anyhow!

walmart ed hopper

Did they reinvent Keynesianism via the gamer ubi discourse

mad turtle

Moving from an industrial/physical labor economy to a white collar and service economy where interpersonal skills are held at a premium.

Kamran Husain

"meat for canines" is getting popular in certain prep-er circles due to it being a buck a pound and theyre giving us bugs anyway

Sebastian Wittekindt

So excited for this new series. Finally some damn proper Marxism on Chapo!

Christopher Price

The answer for Chris's second question is the UK, where the collapse happened under labour's watch, so it's been unending Tory supremacy and economic austerity, moving from Cameron to May to Johnson, so less to more populist. I think maybe the closest American analog is Trump running in 2012 but he runs with Romney's platform and makes a populist switch in 2016. Bernie gets kneecapped in 2016, but returns for 2020 where he gets rugged.

etienne

folks I had this feel for the last month or two but I didn't want to jinx it but now I think I can say it: folks? chapo is *back*

Ben

Service labor has been gendered as feminine (in America at least, I can’t speak for the rest of the world), so transitioning into an economic model where a plurality of workers, regardless of gender, are in the service sector “feminizes the economy.”

Harry P. Ness

Dick Is Abundant And Low Value called me "dry dick white boy" in the early 2010s and she was right and it made me quit twitter.

Blake Patraw

oh fuck yeah theyre finally doing a special mini series for the patrons!!! especially dan and matt, suuuuch a good combo for historical analysis, so hyped for this extra chapo content for a few weeks

Lydia Maria Child

Any way to get the stitcher presidents show transferred to patreon at a later date? Always wanted to get that, but don't want to sign up for another shitty tech platform thingamabob.

etienne

the second google hit for "hell of presidents" is a reddit that has a full list of downloadable episides and the first hit in the youtube search bar is a playlist with all the eps.

TheSingleE

moving from an economy of chiseled coal miners hefting giant rocks around and breaking kneecaps for the teamsters to an economy where if you talk back the wrong way to your manager you get put in the chillout room and given training to be more emotionally sensitive

etienne

here's a curveball for Hinge Points: quebec independence referendum of '95 wins with 50.24% instead of losing with 49.42%

Jay

I have never understood this “bodies and spaces” shorthand. What is one narrative “issue” that is implied with a phrase like “bodies and spaces?”

etienne

its a reference to a judith butler book that is as incomprehensible as it is influential

Will Bullock

We love it when Matt pops off don't we folks

_tarrvis

Ready for this new project with Matt and Dan Bessner

Freakyfish45

THIS IS SUS RETURNSSSSSSS!! hell yeah

HeyB00B00

I believe it's chapo policy to never pronounce someone's name correctly

Justin

The takedown of Hawley was why I subscribe to this show: sharp, insightful, and funny. Great work guys.

ClownBabee24

I know matt is gonna go off talking about the hingepoint that is Lincoln's death and Reconstruction

Matthew Waterman

Good episode but this has gone on long enough. You guys need to learn how to pronounce Josh Hawley. Look at the way it’s spelled. The w is before the l.

Mark Fox

This is one of the better episodes in a while

Kevin C

Felix better have an episode on the united states of al

Andrew Criscione

Man, neocons have really lost their false-flag game since 9/11.

Troy Peters

How the fuck is Felix gonna shit talk Upstate New York, specifically Oneida, when we literally have a giant Native American casino with a full nightclub

Troy Peters

Sup from Sherrill lmao, Felix needs to go to Exit 33 and the Tin Rooster in the same night and find out what it’s really like around here

Neba Jorgacevic

Warsaw and their Law and Order band type of music ethno rock'n'roll man !!

Shake zula

glad to learn that someday people will look to me and say "THAT'S peak masculinity"