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Hinge Points Episode 4: Cold Bore (Patreon)

Published:
2021-11-26 22:01:00
Edited:
2021-11-26 22:12:58
Imported:
2026-06

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Matt and Danny Bessner, from the American Prestige podcast, discuss the advent of the Cold War, exploring the conflict's origins, America's rise to global superpower status, what might have happened if Henry Wallace was vice president, and whether or not Harry Truman doomed the nation to fight a ridiculously deadly, and ultimately pointless, decades-long war with the Soviet Union.

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Sam

Probably my favorite episode of chapo ever.

T

FIRST

T

Yeah right.

Jordan Rice

Dude why’d you break my heart like that 🥺

Kenneth

Shotgun is still great! You just sit back and enjoy the ride!

Kamran Husain

Man when that beat hits 😩😩😩

T

You're a heartbeat away from being first.

Doug Greer

I’m digging Hinge Points… Is it replacing Inebriated History? If not, I’d like to hear more…

Jeff

For the love of God, please prevail on Patreon to make it possible to download podcasts again; my telecomm provides limited data and listening to podcasts while walking and drinking copiously is sometimes the only thing that keeps me going

jules

you people have no idea what life in north OR south korea is actually like. but at least you know you did this to us. believe all the radio free asia bullshit if you want to, americans, but every horror and degradation and affront to human dignity is on your hands

ADIFT

I haven't listened yet, but you sound pretty gay.

jules

suck my cock 🤪

Archie MacLellan

You can tap a wee button to right of playing symbols to download mate

Archie MacLellan

Dabbing and backflipping when a new hinge point drops

T

Did Danny hint at a future episode here? 🧐🤔 Anyway, great stuff. I love Hinge Points. Also, people who complain about the theme song have no taste.

T

Hinge Points idea: What if COVID had never happened? The hinge point being Fauci pushing for gain of function research or someone eating a bat or whatever you think it is. Biden doesn't get his fake doctor wife to tell us that COVID is safe enough for everyone to go to the polls during the primary. Trump never gets COVID.

TheSingleE

"Shignificantly Shift"

Ellen Harold

Matt says that Henry Wallace was "skeptical" about Communism (he was a millionaire businessman as a matter of fact) However Matt also maintains that every one of Wallace's [Progressive Party?] staff [in 1948] was a Communist. Does he have any evidence to support this hyperbolic claim? Matt also maintains that the unions were full of "secret Communists." I really don't understand this term. I have heard the term "secret Communist" before but only used by the US security apparatus, where it seems to refer to undercover Moscow spies. You are a Communist or you are not, as I see it. The term smacks of essentialism, or an ability to look into people's heart of hearts and devine their real "secret" identities. (Whatever happened to "fellow travelers" and "former-Communists?" or even members of the popular front.) That said, I do think that there were probably a lot of Communists who were effective and committed union organizers at one time, particularly in the early 1930s American South. (I am thinking of the Tenant Farmers' Union). The fact was that Wallace was very popular during the 1948 campaign and attracted enormous crowds. Only a huge, coordinated smear campaign in the press and from the Christian pulpits, particularly the Catholic Church, brought him down.

David Andrews

Nice job. I like this show concept.

Connor Francis

The town in Tennessee was Athens it's a super interesting story lions led by donkeys covered it in an episode called the battle of Athens

Ellen Harold

Well if you have heard it before but don't remember where, then that's what Matt "mostly" meant, I guess. What I have heard is that, like FDR before him, Wallace didn't reject ipso facto the endorsement or participation of Communists in his campaign. I have never heard that Wallace's campaign was infiltrated with Communist spies. Unless you assume that every single solitary communist or former communist or fellow traveler or person who had attended a meeting or signed a petition or supported racial integration, or belonged to the CIO, or had qualms about the Atom bomb was a Soviet spy, I don't know how you would know for cetain that they were.

Dan Anderson

Thank you guys. I love this series, I hope you keep doing it. I've learned a ton. Seriously good shit!

Kevin Hickey

Wallace would have been Aldo Moro’d.

Jeff

You are a savior, sir. Thank you. This had stopped working for me after a version update about a month ago and I had thought these simple joys were gone forever, but you have shown me the way

tanmantincan

Hinge points intro is good and anyone who says otherwise is gay

Clean Shirt Piggie

Alternative title suggestion: Offramps from the Apocalypse

steppingstone

I'd love to see a list of some of the readings that Matt & Danny based their analyses on for this ep. I want to learn more

etienne

trump beats bernie. r u happy.

Gengeros

How the fuck was something like the business plot never brought up this episode? A Wallace presidency means capital strikes, and if that doesn’t work a business coup or military coup using communism as the pretext. Wallace being president doesn’t mean he gets to do what he wants. The natsac state had already had its proto-form of it created around the early 1900s to 1940. What this would do with the Marxist movement I think would make them more militant, less electoral. FDR in the long run kinda fucked up in that he saved capitalism and completely de-nutted the labor movement in America. I also see in this scenario a reestablishment of a kind of neo-fascism in Europe and Japan and a blatant push for empire and blood without the flowery bullshit about “democracy and human rights”.

AbeLinkin

If you were smart you’d realize that 99% of us don’t choose where we live and 99.99% of us cannot affect/change the forces that have created our current geopolitical climate. So you’re yelling at a bunch of people who had nothing to do with your situation and can do next to nothing about it

Of course

Very clever that my personal hinge point is that I heard that tune and now can't have a conversation without it playing in my head.

SF

Just waiting for our local birdbrain anarchists to show up and yell at Matt and Danny for saying positive things about FDR and Henry Wallace

KatrinaJadeHelm

Wallace would have needed an Iron man suit to last longer than WH Harrison

Cameron Young

Liked this episode the best so far. Here is a chilling aside from the Howard Unruh shooting wiki Maurice and Rose Cohen's son Charles, then 12, survived the murder of his parents and grandmother Minnie Cohen by hiding in a closet. Charles H. Cohen (January 31, 1937 - September 4, 2009) was the maternal grandfather of Carly Novell, who survived the February 14, 2018, shooting incident at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida by hiding in a closet like her grandfather did in 1949.

etienne

outta context but I just found out that Charlie Chaplin died in exile in Switzerland in 1977 because he was smeared during the second Red Scare (but also partly because he couldn't help himself marrying teenagers)

Candido Gonzalez

Have a ticket for chapo in brooklyn selling for face value. DM if interested

Stinkamus

I’ve been hoping for an impassioned Kyle Rittenhouse reading series

William

Danny and others have figured out how to harness the rant of the christ man - truly a content generation machine to surpass metal gear

D.G. Stone

Henry Wallace has always been a hero of mine. The what if’s are mind blowing. Excellent episode

Sebastian Wittekindt

Can someone explain to me where this reverence for FDR and Wallace comes from? I mean the New Deal essentially defanged and bought out the labour movement and prevented any form of socialism from arising in the US. Where the European bourgeoise chose Fascism as a means to destroy the workers organizations, the US bourgeoise chose the new deal because they could afford it. I would love to know where the claims come from that these bourgeoise politicians were “surrounded by secret communists” and would’ve liked nothing more than to ally with the Soviet Union. I’ve just never read anything that would even remotely make me consider FDR this way

Ellen Harold

One doesn’t expect such rhetoric from Chapo, that’s for sure!

Matty C

There’s definitely an argument about whether the New Dealers were trying to preserve a certain concept of Capitalism, there was a large chunk of the non-political bourgeoisie that thought of it a good idea to murder FDR and institute the Red Scare after those policies. If you don’t look at the scenario in hindsight based on the last 70 years of after-action, you can certainly see what the New Deal did to preserve and/or assist the proletariat in such a cataclysmic moment when the option of fascism was not only an option, but the chosen option of many other national bourgeois

Ben Zaretsky

Does anyone know more about that soldiers uprising in a crooked Tennessee town that was mentioned?

Mark Schneider

Hey, Guys, I have to say that as a retired history teacher, I love your stuff, and this is to me one of the best episodes yet, as this Hinge Point leads to the Neolib Dead Hellscape we currently inhabit. However, I am going to quibble with your sociology here a little bit. I will recommend reading Henry Miller's 1939 "The Air-Conditioned Nightmare", after he had to leave Paris when the war ramped up. So even though FDR was still in office, and the Hinge could've (?) differed, Miller saw what little consumerist piggies (to quote Chapo) Americans were and where we were going and the slop they wanted. So I kind of doubt Wallace could've altered things, Harry Truman was the "right" man for the US mood, so the Pendergast machine's installing him seems in retrospect like a fait accompli that reflected what the bad old USA truly is.

Steff

I just want to say: thank you for making this.

Michael J Sandbothe

We need novels and movies of the alternate history to inspire future hingepoints

Leonard John Elick III

Lots of problems here. But here are my ideas. Real Hinge Point (Discuss) Roosevelt supports Upton Sinclair's gubernatorial run in 1930s in California and his program spreads nationally, creating a mass movement for nerd socialism. This would allow for more room for movement in supporting Soviet-aligned foreign policy. This leftward alignment would allow us to completely turn on our British and French allies and force them to relinquish their colonies for access to Marshall Aid, fulfilling a process that had already begun when we provided funding to Mao and Ho Chi Minh during the war. The US doesn't drop the bomb because, like in Germany, both the US and USSR co-occupy Japan. Jewish refugees are allowed to move back to Western Europe and Nazi supporters are executed en mass. All Nazi property is redistributed to Jewish refugees. Syria, Palestine, and Lebanon become one nation under a secular, federal government. Jerusalem becomes a city-wide museum for the monotheists to engage in the cultivation of religious and spiritual memory. Formally colonized Muslim working class people agree to form a united national front to conquer the Arabian peninsula to oust the Gulf monarchies. Under UN guidance, the oil wealth is distributed fairly among only developing nations in the region.

Owen

did anyone else hear the opening of the theme song as "hinge boys"?

Ellen Harold

Seems like circular reasoning. Doesn't everything seem like a fait accompli -- in retrospect? If Truman was so right, what was the need for the tremendous coordinated smear campaign against Wallace that continues TO THIS DAY, 72 years later, judging by certain things one hears on purportedly leftist podcasts.

Jordan Berger

Do the hinge points episodes not play for anyone else? They’re the only ones in my feed that won’t let me listen to them.

john mccainus

tbh isn't history just the unfolding of one grand fait accompli

SF

👆anarchist

orc

This show is amazing, Matt would've made a great priest, his sermonizing is on point