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582 - Heaven: Out of Order feat. Slavoj Žižek (12/6/21) (Patreon)

Published:
2021-12-07 04:32:31
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2021-12-07 04:33:37
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Friend of the show Slavoj Žižek stops by to discuss new political implications of the pandemic, advocate for conservative communism, praise Matt’s call for a new carnation revolution, and review Squid Game.

Žižek’s new book, Heaven in Disorder, is out now: https://www.orbooks.com/catalog/heaven-in-disorder/

Few tickets remain to our show this Wednesday in Buffalo, NY: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/chapo-trap-house-tickets-201713088277

Ticket presales for our Southern Tour will be up on patreon.com/chapotraphouse 12/7 @ 10 am, then available to the general public Friday, 12/10 @ 10 am.

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Shfifty_five

After two years it's pretty clear you were in the right here. Listen to the "schizo's" folks !

Wagner Koop

I hope your southern tour includes Michigan, the northmost southern state

archipelago_go

Look, *sniff* they hate me *sniff* because they ain’t me *snif* (and so on)

Greg

Zizek gets so much clit it's insane

tabbyswipe

Based conservative communist pivot. bread and roses girlboss tradwife moment

Eye Twenty-Six

The two episodes I haven't listened to are the V****l and Zizek one, and the LA gangs ep. Guess I can finally skip that first one lol

AIdan Buckley

Thish refushal to releash poppy part 3 thish eesh pure ideology

Sirloinofice

Matt is calling for a what now? Like another in Portugal or an American one?

Sirloinofice

I would listen but I don't want to be told what Conservative Communism is by a Slovenian dude.

Vincent Utah

If Jacques isn’t at the New Orleans show, it ain’t worth it. On stage or lingering in the crowd as a heckler, he needs to be there.

Thom

I'm annoyed how happy I am listening to this

HeyB00B00

I love Slavoj! I gotta give you guys props for introducing his tweeky insights to my life

dwarrow_shent

Oh hells to the fucking yesss a Slavoj episode

Hunter

Great ep so far. Really interested to see more writing done on neofeudalism, I had a brainworm when I was working as a grocery delivery driver a year ago about how the company I worked for didn’t even own any physical means of production, they just owned the fucking app and coordinated buyers and sellers and took most of the profit, I was listening to Capital at the time and kept thinking about it while I was listening to the book and how it was basically just digital rent.

Ben L

Real Slovenia hours

WillyGetSilly

never mind i didn’t finish listening

HeyB00B00

Believe me Slavoj you did not provoke anyone in this crowd w/your totalitarian mandatory vaccination stance😅

john mccainus

zizek's sounding particularly sylvesteresque

Thom

Still a good episode. Polanski movies are still good. Woody Allen movies are still good.

Edward Smith

Schedule an Atlanta show, but put it in buckhead. Dry boys got a sense of humor.

Dael Morris

100%. i listen with headphones and i lasted 3 minutes. there must be some way to tone that shit down

T

🐽⬇️

Ben Totushek

Does anything say we’re fucked like Zizek running out of comprehensible ideas to fix it all?

Bradford Ralph

I’m sure if I understood him I’d agree

Blinn E. Combs

I just can't take listening to him. I always imagine him visiting a salad bar....

Vincent Utah

When Zizek brought up the threat of war on top of covid and climate change, and a potential Chinese advance to retake Taiwan that would spark it all, my blood ran cold. I’ve had my own worries of something similar slowly building up on the horizon, but I also have a mediocre understanding on this stuff. Hearing him say it out loud scares the shit out of me.

Michael Andreas

He sounds like a walking super spreader.

Garth Hillsborough

I love how much Zizek loves Matt's idea for a clique of middle officers overthrowing the government.

Adam Outrage

Squid Game was in no way suggesting that the only problem with the squid games themselves was that they “weren’t fair”.

ggmacd

"Slavo," goddamn. Will pulling the getting the name wrong power move on zizek, boy is ruthless.

Jessica S

My husband and I went round and round on why Australia is or isn’t threatened by China and it taking over Taiwan. While I think his actual beef was my inability to consider other points of view (guilty, however my thought is that if I’ve already determined the argument to be without merit, what’s the point of entertaining it? Which he’s like, exactly! And around it goes, but I digress…) it’s astonishing how someone could believe our insertion into the personal matter of China and Taiwan is not the antecedent of China’s “aggression”. Or that politicians in Taiwan don’t hide behind the West while decrying whatever it is that China is supposed to be guilty of perpetrating. From what I understand, the majority of citizens prefer the status quo to remain as it is. The only threat in the Southern Hemisphere is our imperial tendencies. It’s beyond comprehension how that is a crazy town banana pants line of reasoning.

Will

See you uglies in ATL 😘

Poppy Chulo

The audio on this is absolute shit. It sounds like an eastern european yelling at you through a soup can.

Mitch H.

No zizek just speaks in 144p and I wouldn't have it any other way

Ryan Gullage

The vampire’s castle was pleased to have

Jessica S

Participation trophies available to those without vocal anomalies - effort is not a factor, lol.

Dies Irae63

Next time I want a run down on recent Chinese history I’ll ask the Swedish chef.

Sam Newell

I’ll be at that Nashville show 💪

Adam Perez

Covid RTA Let's go!!! Good luck.

Alex Shaw

Why would you care about Taiwan. Big China scary don’t hurt whittle smol bean taiwan

Fellow Worker

Matt gonna get tarred and feathered after a long rant involving the Civil War, Southern Comfort and Tulane University

Fellow Worker

Or just doing his Cajun Man roux-tine

Chetzmom

So... Slavoj thinks there's gonna be a global hot war btw China and the USA? He keeps calling the US weak, run by liberals, etc. He says Afghanistan has kept our soldiers "battle ready," etc. So he's pro American CONSTANT NEVERENDING WAR. He also doesn't think the Tech Oligarchs controlling and censoring our online town squares is a problem, it's just Zuckerberg's metaverse is bad, but it's not a big deal. He's okay with Vax mandates, and Bernie, AOC & the "Progressives" are just not fighting hard enough. Oh, and they should be supporting Biden's Climate Crisis policy - which involves handing out drilling and fracking permits like candy. Has he booked a gig with Jacobin or MSNBC yet? Cuz they would love him. WTF?

jer

Did we listen to the same episode? Lol

Chetzmom

Oh, and he also thinks the USA is the "Greatest Democracy of All Time." Yes, since almost every presidential election is won by the Electoral College, but they LOSE the Popular Vote. Or candidates are fucked over by "Great Liberal Protectors of Democracy," like Obama. Thwarting the will of the people. He thinks Biden's Caregivers are just "regular old Liberals." He's advocacting for the Good Guys in the US Military to stage a Coup? Maybe they could get the CIA to help them with that. What am I missing?

joshkkeegan

Sounds like you heard what you wanted to hear.

AbeLinkin

Are you against totalitarian taxes too? The vax mandate is a relatively good thing

AbeLinkin

That would be Alaska

Matthew Wells

Ask a question. Get interrupted. 72min answer. Fin.

helvetica.hottie

See y'all filthy animals in Nashville! Coming from Memphis. V excite.

BaeOfPigs

Yeah dog I think it’s time for you to log off

Chetzmom

No, because that is NOT what I wanted to hear. Maybe it was the speech impediment. I've seen Slavoj before, but I am guilty of not knowing more about him. This discussion was a little hard for me to follow.

BaeOfPigs

Žižek should be a permanent member of the pod

Juji Gatame

I don't agree with a lot of Zizek (sorry new keyboard can't add the symbols) but him going off on a 90 minute rant is fun as hell and he clearly loves chatting shit with CTH so more often please, one every six weeks I reckon

jer

Don't you think him saying greatest democracy may have been tongue in cheek?

lollieCondo

Can't wait to see yall in Nashville!!

Stewart Robertson

I swear I had to rewind. I thought he said "you really touched my dick" rather than "my Big Totalitarian"

DRV

I'd bet they pet their cat backwards

Shake zula

do y'all ever come out to Seattle or Portland?

John Swan

If one is reductive enough in their analysis they may tease any narrative they want (or don’t want) out of what someone is talking about. Slow down. Stridency doesn’t help when you can’t follow what’s being said.

Shake zula

I feel awful but yeah the sniffling or slurping is just getting to me right now it's upsetting. I can be trying to rail an eight ball alone and not sound THAT.......wet

Laurel

Yay, southern tour!!! Can you please cancel Charlotte for Durham area instead?

T

Make Zizek a regular correspondent with his own regular segment. Let him go off for 15 mins or something at the end of every _th episode. But I'll settle for a full length Benedetta movie episode with Zizek.

Jameson McKee

Unfortunately this is unlistenable. Zizek is difficult enough to understand as it is, but with this horrible audio quality it's too difficult.

Doug Cartel

I mean, it has a snowball's chance in hell of occurring anyways, so I don't think Matt is going to start printing newspapers calling for it.

Derek

Come to Florida cowards

Paul larkin

It's okay homie, you can sit this one out.

Matt Landrie

My brain feels like it was in a rock tumbler listening to Slavoj for an hour. Like I enjoy the conversation, just not the typical speech pattern I'm used to.

DogCrunch

I can’t believe you guys are having Zizek trek across the American south

Chetzmom

Great answer. Really helpful.

Aram Fingal

What the hell is he saying? lol

Chetzmom

To Jeremy Thomas ~ I would hope so, but like I said before, I'm not familiar with Slavoj and everyone here has been so "helpful." Now I know why I listen to Matt Christman, Chapo & their other ventures but rarely comment. It's not worth it. Maybe it's because I am not a 20-something gamer. I'm a 56 yo mom w/4 adult kids, trying to expand my thinking.

Peacock Jive

Tldr Ukraine and Taiwan aren't countries.

Evan

Why the f*** won't he get a good microphone? You have to really have a thirst for knowledge to listen to this guy

James Browning

Nice Powell's shout out from Zizek and yeah that heatwave was brutal up here.

Max Lopez

Zizek loves to interrupt Will

Ben

Really happy to see Zizek replace Virgil

Vincent Utah

Y’all really just look at comments and see what you want to see with no further consideration, don’t you? Where did I say I cared about Taiwan? Aside from the innocent lives involved that have zero say in what happens moving forward, I don’t. What I do give a shit about is the major conflict a Chinese liberation of Taiwan would stir up—something that would potentially send the US into a war frenzy.

Jack

lol zizek saying Colin Robinson like Nandor

MG

It's fun to compare how different hosts try to reign in Zizek's endless (but always good) monologues. Michael Brooks' (RIP) interviews with him were great.

Michael Branes

man, y'all is going to some pretty tame southern cities... ok, nashville is pretty fucked up

Poppy Chulo

No he's right, the audio was terrible.

Ian Priest

Zizek is kinda full of shit tbh but Its still oddly entertaining to listen to him. He has honorary uncle immunity.

orc

Zizek sounds better through a tin can

Thomas Jones

Sadly, what I am hearing when it comes to the 'middle officers' idea is that this idea would have worked maybe six years ago (assuming that the military had decided to go that route at that time which would have been rediculous) in that there were many such officers --- or at least that the mid level officers were relatively apolitical, however it seems that these days there has been a hard right shift in the middle layers due to the four years of Trumpism (effectively the one thing the right took full advantage of and was quite good at was molding the state in the military, even if they were having considerable difficulties with the intelligence side). Now, it seems that the most progressive layers of the state apparatus are likely in the CIA or NSA which does not bode well to say the least (I am not saying these layers are progressive, just that they may be the most progressive which is mind boggling).

W

Man I feel for Will trying to steer this conversing lmao. Still a good episode tho

Son of El Topo

Just because someone talks about something doesn't mean they endorse it dude

Son of El Topo

We need to know his opinion on The Noid

Woke Batou

100% we need a Zizek segment just to hear what this guy comes up with. Genuinely interesting

Thom

the hillsh are alive wit the shound of mushic and sho on and sho on

HeyB00B00

If the vaccine was actually stopping covid then maybe id be for it🤷🏼‍♂️

Aric Jeffries

Another episode of Is Zizek An Op Or A Moron? I watched that Chinese movie he references, and it sucks ass, but it is dumb and funny as hell to think it’s an expression of China’s desire to invade Taiwan as some kind of double invasion with Russia/Ukraine 😂 Imperialist fantasy talk.

Doug Cartel

the least genocidal, in other words, but yeah I assume matt thinks the scenario he described is incredibly unlikely anyways.

Bryan Jennings

The more I listen to Zizek, the more impressive Matt's impression of him is

Paul larkin

okay buddy, you can chill on da bench as well.

jay alan

When y’all comin out to Portland? We got that loud for the low. 😎⛽️

Christopher Price

I've worked with a few guys who are from Michigan but they also have family in Texas, and I had to give those dudes a wide fucking berth. Nothing wrong with those states individually, but anyone with that combo is a Nazi.

Julie Baxter

Dump Austin and come to San Antonio.

Matt Crossin

Zizek is a pretty entertaining speaker and sometimes makes reasonable points but his politics are so dumb. His conception of communism is ridiculous; basically social democracy, with some bolshevik flavoured wiggle room on the democracy part.

Nobody

Get Chris Hedges

SF

It's an interview ep so as ever with interview eps I'm gonna guess people are going completely insane in the comments section

Blingo Starr

Did my man shout out Colin Robinson at 1:29:45?

SF

👆anarchist

Greasy_Jones

-sorry if i'm jumping- lmao my man

Greasy_Jones

"Seen anything good lately?" "NO! NO!"

Mitch H.

You are free to jump off a bridge

Evan Moses

Loved slavish for years. But he is wrong about squid game. the idea that “if the game were fair itd be ok” is made only in the show in a way that would make you feel disgusted by that idea. Like when the guards horrifically murder someone because they stole some food to help their chances of survival or something, they’ll say “we want to ensure equality of opportunity of some shit like that”

Christopher Price

the interview is great and some of you virgins don't understand sarcasm

Brendan McCoy

I love Slavoj, would take him every time over the episodes with some random person running for alderman talking with almost no back and forth for half the ep.

Matt Crossin

and are these people in the room with us right now?

Chris Ryan

Huh? 99.9% of what Z said was completely audible though slightly muffled at times.

Chris Ryan

Zero likes on your burn as of 20 hours later. Not even a spite like. Feels good man

Chris Ryan

“This phone call audio from many thousands of miles away sounds very compressed and this guy has an accent! Allow me to make my displeasure KNOWN!”

Chris Ryan

Incredible episode, his humanistic verve really makes me feel better about certain things. I expected the comments to be so much worse, but my guess is that the people who usually throw shit fits couldn’t make it through five minutes. Didn’t have their dictionaries handy etc.

Jonathan lees

Listen to it a few times it comes together

Jonathan lees

It’s pretty straight not too bad view

Jonathan lees

It must be hard keeping this shit entertaining

Dies Irae63

His geopolitical analysis sounds like media talking points from the state dept. He makes no coherent arguments and kind of brushes aside China’s achievement. And the sociological stuff is not so much analysis as commentary with the odd bit of frenchy ‘theory’ if the tale fits the template. I don’t know why he calls himself a communist. Can’t see much Marx in him. Still less, Lenin. I’d rather hear Christman rave for an hour . These guys should get someone from Cuba to talk about their astonishing vaccine production. Actually existing socialism in actually existing conditions. Not some airy fairy tv friendly arm waving celebrity pseudocom. The liberal press won’t touch good news from Cuba. They love Zizek.

Wilko

Don't be such a lazy thinker. Maybe these leftists don't subscribe to your concept of freedom, which appears to be: everyone can do whatever they want. That sort of freedom, by the way, is the freedom of the wild, where only the strong survive. It's the whole reason we invented laws and a state. I'd suggest, that freedom can ONLY exist within the confines of the law. And vaccinations are like lights on a car. You have to have them, because without them you're a danger for yourself and others. TLDR: Letting people do whatever they want is absolutely not freedom.

Blingo Starr

No bro you don’t understand they grew up in the community, walked picket lines with their union parents, and are energetic about their common-sense progressive platform. All these stories are unique, important, and should be broadcast to an international audience ad nauseam.

Blingo Starr

I’m sure he’ll be very upset to hear that

Blingo Starr

Gotta separate the art from the artist bro

Soy Jim

How he full of shit?

THEKILLERWHALE

There was a reason he and Matt never talked at the same time...

Twistedsister

I mean I enjoyed the ep but what else is a comment section for

Soy Jim

Wait what did Virgil do?

garrette M cipriano

Can we get a translated version of Slavoj? I heard more spit hitting his mic than words come out.

Jayvee Sy

If you all wanna learn more about how America is turning into a rentier neofeudal economy because of its shift from industrial capitalism towards finance capitalism from someone who talks with a less spit than Zizek, and but less of a lisp I recommend Michael Hudson, I can’t promise you that you won’t struggle to understand what he’s saying but once you understand it it’s vastly more rewarding than Zizek

Jayvee Sy

I don’t think he’s full of shit but he definitely plagiarized Michael Hudson

Jayvee Sy

If Sylvester the Cat suddenly started spitting out philosophy and politics instead of his Suffering Sacotash

Jayvee Sy

Sufferin Sacotash

Jayvee Sy

I stopped listening when he said India’s Modi did a good job with the pandemic. Zizek’s speech is apparently a symptom of a mental disease

etienne

there are like 2 of those per year lol

etienne

he did like one third of a quasi semi-substanciated sex pest and then went into exile in the mountains of Khazakstan

etienne

DJ Slavo Slaj

Ian Priest

His commentary on western ideaology, culture and politics are spot on but he has no idea what he's talking about with regards to China and Russia. China in particular is in a much more precarious position than he makes out.

ShutUrMustache

He’s okay to read, interesting enough. His interminable spittle speech and conversation hogging are too much. I wouldn’t book him.

Damen Irving

What I like about zizek is that he’s such a good listener

Michael

Zizek is th most charming guy, real fun and glad to hear him speak. But I'll never understand why he's taken seriously as a communist intellectual or something lmao

Michael

Ya zizek is just sort of a pseudo communist who fancies himself smarter than he is, despite all evidence to the contrary. Like his analysis is always off lol

lolwuthappend

Bro I get that this guy is supposed to be like a great thinker but he's brutal to listen to

EZ

Maybe Zizek is a good writer but jesus he sounds like a total dumb ass. Fuck please stop having this dude on.

etienne

me to my tinder date 30 seconds before we both start having the worst time ever experienced by a pair of humans

Boaz Corey

We should find out his address and start sending him new microphones haha

Boaz Corey

Christman's idea for the American Hail Mary of mid-level officers.... I'm pretty sure that in the moment of truth my own paranoia would prevent me from believing they would actually succeed in transferring power back to the people.

EaZy E

Every time Slavo says “and so on,” hit the bong.

Nathan

It prevents people from getting very sick and dying. That's all it needs to do.

Nolan

I need a transcript.

Scavvon

If you don't appreciate Slavoj Žižek your dialectic is weak.

Jayvee Sy

Plot twist it was ALL Matt the whole time

Jayvee Sy

The CIA isn’t gonna coup themselves tho

P Red

He just says what China is doing and assumed we will understand we are supposed to think it’s bad. What exactly does he think the Chinese way is? What does he believe he is saying? This deep rooted racism that absolutely refuses the possibility that the vanguard won’t be here.

P Red

Jesus Christ guys. You just let him talk for an hour and he is completely illiterate on so much of what he talked about. Seriously. What the fuck

ManufacturingContempt

This man is just forming his thesis and using your show as a platform to do it in real time.

Dies Irae63

Yes. Black cat or white cat, the CPC has lifted 1400 million people out of dire rural poverty in a short historical period of time. However China offends his essentially liberal sensibilities, it’s probably the most beneficially transformative action in human history. As opposed to sitting around in cafes and bars moaning about the crisis of western alienation and holding public fireside chats with Jordan Peterson on the merits of making your bed in the morning.

John Reeves

It's more of a monologue ep.

John Reeves

Shit, I listen to Chapo for the existing hosts, replacing them all with Zizek would be a different show entirely. Maybe they can just make a spinoff where they record a few generic conversation starters or interjections and Zizek can talk over those.

Dara Higgins

Matt needs a writing credit on the new book "An Officer and a Comrade and so on".

philihp

suffering succotash

Julie Baxter

BTW, San Antonio is much weirder than Austin, these days.

Josephus Franks

Bruv, China has been teaching the "Han" language in schools for a long time. That is, "Chinese" , Putonghua, the "common language." Slavoj need to listen a bit more to his friends in China.

Mokomuku

Does anybody know the name of the person he cites when referencing the idea that conspiracy theories are the closest we can get to theology?

Post Void

Pretty sure I was able to make out "Robespierre"

Dies Irae63

He makes out as if teaching Putonghua throughout China is a bad thing. You’d think having a common language (but by no means universal first language) would be an economically equalising tool for a polity of such huge dimension. .The economic divide in Xinjiang arises partly because the Uighur population was not compelled to learn mandarin at school. Therefore it’s harder to find employment outside traditional agriculture or to travel and study.

Mokomuku

I thought it was like “alan kazupankichs” or something

Malf Val

Yanis Varoufakis

Shake zula

I have no idea I could only make it so far but wow none of the three suggestions are even remotely similar lol

Hector Jaime

One of my favorite episodes to date. Don’t listen to any of the insufferable idiots in the comments except for me, especially those claiming “racism” over the “Chinese method” comments (what, you can’t criticize totalitarianism anymore?) The army comments are pretty idealistic and scary, coming from college boys who probably don’t know anyone in the army. Though fair to say that all of my lower level army friends are all trumpers and the one officer-level dude I know is not. The comments reveal the fact that most listeners don’t come from a shithole non-white majority town where a good amount of kids join the army, like say a good amount of native Americans. Don’t get me started on the amount of complaints on the dude’s accent.

Jayvee Sy

This human Sylvester the Cat is a moron. Kung Fu concept is from the Boxer Rebellion not Hong Kong movies. Can this guy actually talk to an actual Chinese instead of the reactionary British wannabes from the former colony?

Jayvee Sy

Not that you can’t criticize totalitarianism but people living in an oligarchy with elections should be a bit more humble. We all have our issues

Jayvee Sy

These fucks skipped Memphis.

Jayvee Sy

Michigan would be nice but isn’t it a Mic-Western state?

lollieCondo

I know, I'm kind of surprised by that! Memphis is my hometown(and obviously the better of the two) but I'm grateful they're coming where I current live

P Red

Also shows how little attention Matt has paid to recruitment tactics and doctrines. US officers are selected for their agreeability to the maintenance of the military industrial complex. It would be much more expedient for them to just become capital’s personal enforcement force

P Red

Rofl

Hector Jaime

You are right. No one who lives under a power system anywhere can criticize the great super power China unless they are respectful and polite.

Tweeg

The amount of people here who seem to know nothing about the way Zizek talks or stands for is wild. How can so many of you not understand sarcasm?

David BS

That was a very good conversation

Lisa Ballard

Gotta say I love Cary Grant too. I was a weird kid who watched old movies - His Girl Friday, Arsenic and Old Lace, Philadelphia Story. I want more movie talk w/ Zizek...

Dustin Nelson

I just can't stand that weird voice the zizek guy puts on

Alex

Invite Max Blumenthal on to talk about the effects of Covid lockdowns

Carboniferous

He's the left's weird uncle, really. Sometimes he has good takes, most of the time he has takes that are out there but still fun to consider, and sometimes he has bad takes. I don't personally subscribe or hold to be definitely true to anything he says that isn't already standard stuff for a Marxist, but I like hearing his viewpoint outside of the western online reddit leftist cesspool we're locked in.

Carboniferous

I would say that I'm China-neutral (which, to the current western consensus, makes me a raging tankie) but I'm just confused about what China is meant to do in the minds of these people in response to United States aggression. Like, put Zizek or Matt or whoever else in charge of China - what do you do in order to not get couped or conquered by the United States like so, so many other countries have in the past? Y'know? They've done basically zero imperialism so far, unless you count Belt and Road as "economic imperialism" or whatever (I've heard worse takes I guess), and separating their country from most of the wider internet is necessary as the US's media control is so absolute is a necessary evil. Their impact on climate change is bad, sure, but it's very weird that this rise in emissions has occurred concurrently with the shift of industry and factories away from the west and towards the east, wonder if there's any connection there. And their worker rights record is also not great, but that's also connected to the movement of industry to their country and others in Asia. Surveillance is just as bad as every other western nation, it's just that over here we joke and make memes about FBI agents watching us through our webcams as a method of coping. The Uyghur thing is the closest thing so far that I can say is China doing something uniquely bad that can't be simply waved away by whataboutisms, but that recent report came out saying that there's no evidence for mass killings, instead things like forced contraception (and they say IUDs, which are reversible AFAIK so idk) and that's apparently still a genocide. Alright, fine, I'll take that if it's not just yet another steaming pile of bullshit conjured up by an extra-governmental organisation. Cultural genocides are genocides too, I guess. The United States acting like they're suddenly concerned about Muslims is something I couldn't even write as a bit, though. I guess if they invade Taiwan then that's not great but I don't know enough about the situation to really say if this can be justified or not, or at least sympathized with (as long as they don't just start killing Taiwanese civilians and such, then it's unjustifiable). I'm not an American so I have no particular horse in the race of China vs the US, other than them using nukes and wiping out humanity. And I'm totally willing to entertain arguments that China is doing very bad things, or needs to do more in terms of climate change and ameliorating the plight of workers in their country than they currently are. I just haven't seen them do any mustache-twirling stuff yet to maintain their international chokehold on power, like the US typically does, say, under the Monroe Doctrine, past and present.

Lilith

The reason that Zizeck is basically wrong about just about everything in this is that his understanding is based on fact after fact that is simply wrong wrong wrong. That vaccinating the world with these "vaccines" could end the pandemic is simply not true. That it would be an ethically defensible thing to do relies on the faulty premise that the vaccines are safe, (wrong) and that covid is equally serious to all populations (wrong). The idea that India controlled their terrible outbreak through a combination of vaccination and local measures is wrong. They controlled it by giving everyone Ivermectin (except in Goa, which didn't control the pandemic). Yes, that would be the same Ivermectin that Japanese doctors started giving everyone enmass two weeks before covid "miraculously" disappeared from Japan. Yes folks, we could end this pandemic by giving everyone Ivermectin, but we're not allowed to prescribe it anymore because it's not profitable for the drug company's because it's not under patent. Because his analysis is based on so many faulty assumptions, he's basically just wrong about everything. He also seems to be under the (at this point frankly delusional) mistaken idea that anyone in the world lives in anything sufficently resembling a democracy that we have any say in what kind of government we get to have, and therefore that theorizing about what sort of government we should most want to move towards is anything other then mastabatory at this point. Personally, I'm not very interested in listening to Zizeck jerking himself off, but if that's your thing ,then knock yourselves out.

Lilith

PS - before you deride me as a delusional nut re the vaccines and Ivermectin, I've been a registered nurse for over 20 years and I'm a qualified vaccinator, and I have been following the science, and reading, understanding and critiquing medical science/papers is part of the nursing scope of practise, so unless you've got a masters level qualification in biology or better, I don't want to hear your opinion about my opinions on the science, because your not qualified to have one.

Maxwell Cook

this was painful to read, cringe

mischlingmenace

Haters in the comment are pussies, Slavoj is an absolute king

Leo Yuan

when Zizek said “I love you” to Matt… I felt that

Trevor Ryan

Brilliant. Y’all did a great job just staying out of his way and letting it bloom. One for the archives.

Dies Irae63

@Ian, no, it’s nothing like that at all. Your analogy is silly, bizarre even.. Vast majority of Canadians are native English speakers. Large percentage of Quebecois have English as second language. Both groups live in the rich world and have pretty much the same culture. English and French are both indoeuropean languages and it’s reasonably easy to learn one if you know the other. Uighurs speak a Turkic language, Han speak Sino-Tibetan languages. The differences are profound. Uighurs are largely peasants, Han Chinese in Xinjiang are mostly urban. A subsistence or local market farmer in a region where traditional agriculture is in decline (climate change) who didn’t learn putonghua as a kid and comes from a Turkic, (increasingly militant) Islamic cultural background, is going to find it very difficult to live and thrive in a post-Deng-reform economy. Which is why they’re now being encouraged to learn mandarin. Earlier, they had cultural protection with regard to their native language.

Dies Irae63

Or a thirst for bullshit

Lilith

You're wrong. You're not even using you're vs your correctly. And you like Zizack are taking the side of neoliberal corporatism while thinking that you're on the left. YOU ARE WRONG, and also stupid

Jon

Zizek's a theorist. The fact he knows so much about US politics is frankly surprising and added plus. The people in these comments sound like homers complaining the national football announcer is out of touch with their team. Nah, you're just too close to it, dude.

Hector Jaime

Total lies. Somehow the people peddling ivermectin don’t want to profit. But this is why people warn not to look at the comments I guess.

doug

"better an evil god than no god" is going to just rattle in my head for days

Dylan Tonkin

More movie references please. 9/10

aida beats

This was awesome, if someone could transcribe what Russian dude is saying I swear to got I will Venmo you a high single digit value of money