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598 - More Pods About Streaming and Books feat. Steven Donziger (1/31/22) (Patreon)

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2022-02-01 04:24:09
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2026-06

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The boys look at the phenomenon of literary Felixes, plus discuss a few current censorship debates. Plus, we’re joined once again by lawyer Steven Donziger, who is now back under house arrest after the Department of Corrections sent him home from Jail. We discuss the end stages of case, his corporate prosecution, and the future for the people of Ecuador in their case against Chevron.

Information on Steven’s case and ways to support collected at https://www.freedonziger.com/

Tickets for our upcoming southern live shows at: chapotraphouse.com/live

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William

First - suck my dick I'll listen to it tomorrow

WillyGetSilly

Also release more austin tickets wtf

Reginaldkillington

This poor motherfuckers BACK on house arrest !? Now I gotta hear this

Greg

8th!

Jeff Martin

I usually shitpost here pretty hard, but I'd like to pour one out for Donzinger

Freakyfish45

add more austin tickets wtf >:(

Shauna Seroquel

Boo ya. Represent et cetera et cetera et cetera.

Jessica S

Home is better than prison, I suppose, but the real justice would be to see the judge who wouldn’t let this go standing in line at the soup kitchen, b/c they have absolutely no usefulness in this world beyond ruling like a petty tyrant for the state.

M.R. Alchemist

Most positive ep in a while. Donzinger's optimism gives me hope.

justdave

I did gladiator school, one guard, a massive man, said to me 'when the world ends you can be our ninja'- no irony, completely honestly, he said those ridiculously stupid words to me. That horrifying place haunts me to this day

J P 3

Thin Lizzy "Jailbreak" -- great outro Chris.

justdave

Felix the 'CAT' 👀

Jeff Martin

The stink from my recliner has more value than the Donzinger judge

NYCM&AHole

Thin Lizzy at the end was ::chefs kiss:: Party at the Donziger place, baby!

Jeff Martin

The Donzinger judge is 'on the take' and this was always an extremely uphill battle. But that said. I don't think the system has that many last hurrahs left in it. I don't see there being another Ford who pays their employees 5 dollars a day, so to speak.

Jeff Martin

Can't believe how nicely he spoke about the prison guards lmao. In a system with probably hundreds of non-violent offenders incarcerated per prison

Simon

Woot woot Chris! This is at least the second time you've done a More Songs About Buildings and Food reference in the blurb

The Children of Jack Acid

Why do no shows ever come to Tulsa, OK? It's a groovy place! Aside from, you know, all the racism and murders and stuff. But the diners all serve GRITS!

Garrett

Please just do a show in LA

Alistair Page-McGill

Is Will just trolling us and Steven Donziger (no N) now? Getting people's names wrong is usually something they do to people they don't like

Marsh_Mango

Great episode. Just wondering about Felix's point a out the SC primary having more white slobs vote in it, tipping the scales. I dont disagree with the point he was making. I just havent see any data to back that part up.

Benito

Isn’t “I’ve seen the needle and the damage done” the Neil young/Joe Rogan joke? Not looking to see how many have already posted this thank you.

Jeff

I think the proper plural is "Felices," by analogy with "helix," "dominatrix," etc. But the real outrage isn't the shameful nature of Latin, but that Steven Donziger should have been locked up while this judge is a free woman allowed out in society.

Noah Cutts

I never listen to or watch Joe Rogan but I feel like Felix would actually be a perfect guest for that podcast

etienne

there is no other entertainment media product that would be more conductive to him finally disclosing the raw truth about the syrian war that us loyal piss hogs have been denied for years

William

If the Donziger and Blago interviews tell you anything, the system of law is a pretense. The illusion is that there will be consequences for bad actors - no, there's just sticks to keep the population in line

orc

Mistake to be hooking up with writers

chetan kadodwala

Hey! my Zapata cap came though the post today!

Jessica S

Steven is an incredible guy. Such a maddening yet heartwarming interview. His story illuminates yet another way corporations and wealthy individuals can game the system through campaign donations and clever tricks to avoid taxes or damages, while the rest of us work-a-days serve as the example that “justice” and the rule of law is upheld, by sacrificing us to it. I know there’s little hope in actual change, but is there no judicial set up that disallows this type of chicanery?

nicedickdude

What food are you people eating that has corn syrup? It’s so fucking easy to eat healthy this discussion is absurd.

ADIFT

"Being fat is mostly genetic" Ya 80% of america just has bad genes. Cope. Even joe rogan doesnt have that bad of health misinformation.

Evan Scott

good to know, the donziger interviews tend to fill me with dread and hopelessness so i was going to skip it

T

I don't know whether Will is doing it on purpose, but it's hilarious every time.

T

Writing in the age of horniness.

Null_null

The Rogan and Maus discussions made me curious if the boys will ever weigh in on Glenn Greenwald fully succumbing to terminal onlineness. Not saying they must hold him accountable for being a right-leaning contrarian dork. But I would be interested to know what they think.

Nobody

So many people try to make Twitter and podcasts the real organizing like Briahana Joy Gray or those dorky YouTube people who thought if you tweeted at AOC enough they'd do their force the vote shit.

Nobody

When he started to say Adam Johnson of Citations Needed was a pro CNN corporate guy I knew he was totally lost. Has he said anything about Donziger?

Brock

Feel like I'm going crazy when Will and Felix incorrectly pronounce his name as Don-zing-er. No other media has said his name like that. His name is Donziger, and it only has one N. Don-zig-er. Rhymes with bigger. Seems disrespectful to keep messing up his name, and now people in the comments are spelling it wrong as well.

Alistair Page-McGill

To me it seems disrespectful, considering this guy has been on numerous times and said his own name plenty of times. If he was interviewing Ben Shapeno or Josh Whedon it would be different

Null_null

Not sure. I was thinking about him vis-a-vis Rogan, Maus, Krause’s list, and “Don’t Say Gay,” since he has strong opinions only related to one of these four “cancel culture” issues.

Joseph Mabrey

I swear, its like none of these DSA boys have ever read Lenin or the The State And Revolution. Anyone with a serious Marxist theoretical background could see how the Bernie campaign was going to play out. I love the Chapo boys, but I think Matt is the only one at this point capable of real critical analysis and self-reflection.

Nolan

The same “More probable than not” Ted Wells…

Null_null

Re: Johnson that certainly tracks. Glenn will shamelessly straw man his opponents and straight up lie when cornered on Twitter. And his worldview relies on this binary wherein if you merely suggest something like lib anxieties about Trump overthrowing democracy are based on real facts, you are automatically in agreement with everything on MSNBC and CNN.

mt unit

Change the name of the show to the , " The Felix ca ca pee pee Hour" .

Shake zula

Thank you for sending me an angel (Chris)

Sophie Fisher

Finish the d&d game 🔪🔪🔪

Mark Schneider

I wondered the exact same thing? I think South Carolina is full of miserable reactionaries, & Jim Clyburn (owned by AIPAC and Big Pharma, private health care, etc.) pulled a lot of weight with older, low info black voters. I would love to see evidence elsewhere, but the Dem party generally is garbage, & at this time I'm disgusted by Bernie's apologetics for his "friend" Joe. They will never get my $$ again, Bernie and AOC etc. included. The "voting" system is rigged, you get Republican policies whomever you vote for, the US ruling class is a VERY united group.

owen

I had to stop listening, hearing about Chevron not paying a single dime for its crimes while I’m here working my menial shitjob makes me want to die immediately.

james

Anyone else immediately stop at the Donzinger interview out of an unfathomable lack of interest/boredom

jas

dont even care about joe rogan or free speech i just love seeing companies lose money and scramble to appease everyone in these kinds of situations. like i hope every artist leaves spotify and they lose money and i hope the ceo of spotify pisses and shits his pants

etienne

did we listen to the same podcast? he never said that? they also spent like 5 minutes talking about how "if it's genetic then the american gene pool is evolving very rapidly because we weren't like that 30-40 years ago" and how the agro biz is shit etc

Dez Martin

Are you fucking kidding me?

Eric Jacobsen

“either the DNA of American changed over the last forty years… or the bad food we eat” I just read this terrific in-depth blog series where this guy posits that the dietary explanations of modern obesity — even “everything is made of corn” — just don’t add up, and takes a deep dive into the possibility of obesity being a symptom of environmental contamination. Fun reading https://slimemoldtimemold.com/2021/07/07/a-chemical-hunger-part-i-mysteries/

Dick Wolf

Do you often look to hour long comedy podcasts for serious Marxist theoretical analysis?

T

I don't understand how anyone couldn't be interested by the Donziger case. It's completely insane sci-fi. It's like a preview of the future. Even my conservative dad who hates the environment and believes in "clean coal" is interested in it. When you get down to it, it's a story about genocide and the coverup of a genocide. All stuff that's never been boring. And we get the bonus in this case of Donziger being a cool guy who's great at speaking, plus he's being interviewed by Big Dick Willy. It doesn't get better than this.

(Noah J)

You guys took the bait hook line and sinker. Fucking pathetic that you're talking about Bernie going on Rogan. Felix "I don't regret anything about our support for Bernie" in this episode LOL get a grip pussies

Gulb

actually it was a pretty good interview

Jameson .

What bait?? What should they regret??? What grip???? Be specific!!

Michael

The people who do that are just looking to get paid. I think it's especially clear given the positions some of those people have taken on vaccines. It's all about views, listens and social media engagements nothing more.

Michael

You're talking like having that kind of background is common.

October

I'm pretty sure my cat is a Nazi.

Animals in Motion

It's just Another "more radical than thou" twat of course

VAN Fan

Theodore Farts

Christopher Eadie

Half the episode just droning on about Joe Rogan holy shit just cut to the chase and shit right in my mouth next time

absoluteboi

thanks for the tip boys! canceling patreon since its on spotify anyway

etienne

matt sounded like a elementary schooler trying to explain why he stole cookies from the top shelf after falling on his head and forgetting about it. bottom quintile of eps.

Ben L

I know you dismiss yourselves as a comedy pod but your series on Donzinger has been one of the most impactful pieces of journalism in years. Glad you got to catch up with him Will, solidarity Also the first half of the episode was good shut up everyone

Shake zula

that's my cat's name lol

T

It really is fun reading. I'm not science-literate, so maybe I'm just a rube here, but this guy seems right and it blew my mind. This is the page where he explains what we can do: https://slimemoldtimemold.com/2021/11/23/a-chemical-hunger-part-x-what-to-do-about-it/ It'll sound like schizoposting if you don't read everything else he wrote in this series, so either read the part I linked and trust the guy, or read the whole thing.

Samuel Cain

I can see the concern as an understandable reaction to MSM blowing up the story to materialize a weapon to be wielded against Podcasts (platforms, podcasters and users of course) I can't say how black and white it is, but the fear makes sense.

Tino Mori

Apologies for being a dullard in advance--regarding discussions of fatness, I learned last year that weight doesn't really correlate with health (unless you're extremely thin or extremely fat). As was briefly mentioned in the ep, you can eat shit food and still be thin, while others can eat "healthy" and still be fat. Felix is 100% right that the food industry needs to be nationalized, people should be able to walk and bike their neighborhoods rather than rely solely on driving, but we'll still have fat people afterward and that's fine!

Jacob

Been learning about this recently and apparently there isn't actually that much evidence that being heavy has any real impact on your blood work or general health. The medical field calls it a paradox because they 'know' that being heavy is bad for you but it 'paradoxically' doesn't have any specific health detriments lol (to a certain point that is)

etienne

i just love this comment section man. low stakes, low risk, usually high fun

etienne

sometimes i get solidly counter-dunked on. table stakes!

T

Maybe you've already seen this, but someone posted this link in a comment here: https://slimemoldtimemold.com/2021/07/07/a-chemical-hunger-part-i-mysteries/ It could just be crank nonsense, but it's really interesting and would add another dimension to the stuff you've been learning about. The basic story is that there's an environmental reason for why people are fat. Being fat longterm is never anyone's fault. Being skinny longterm is also never anyone's accomplishment. Americans are eating healthier food and are more active than ever before, believe it or not, but Americans are still getting fatter. There's a chemical (not yet known, but they've narrowed it down to 3 likely suspects) that messes up your body's idea of what your weight should be. Again, maybe it's just crank bullshit, and I don't want to promote this as something that's true, but it's a wild read and I'm provisionally convinced.

J.P. McD.

Felix hinted at the Bernie campaign stuff in an episode a few months ago where he said identity politics is used by the center to "trick" leftist campaigns into hiring "the dumbest people alive" - Will and/or Matt cracked up, clearly was something they'd talked about off mic in the past, and Felix was being a naughty little kid who says a curse word or Kramer blurting out impolite things. then you had Matt's anti-BJG tweet ("two normal people") where she was like "wtf? I've never said a word about you". anyway absolutely loved the boys going more explicitly in against BJG, David Sedaris or w/e the fuck that guy's name was, and all the other morons. Would love to hear them actually talk about FTV (thought it was extremely smart of them to never mention it at the time so as not to split their audience). I don't regret the max-out either tho.

No

Honestly if it were anyone else I would not care at all but Neil Young fucking rules and so does sticking the finger to Spotify. There aren't alot of famous people who would willingly take a hit to make a political point, they'd rather be on a podcast with Obama

Colin Clark

There are soooooooo many dumbest people alive in political campaigns though. Love her or hate her BJG intellectually towers above literally 99.9% of ppl working on democratic campaigns idk man.

absoluteboi

you will not put on fat if the amount of calories you burn is equal or greater than the amount of calories you intake. this is basic fundamental 1 + 1 = 2 math. the caveat is that every one's body processes food at different rates, what we all know as metabolic rates. but some people rely on the difference in metabolic rates to justify sitting around all day eating cookies and say 'well my metabolism is slower so i can't help it'. the thing is though metabolic rates, while there definitely are genetic and environmental influences to one's metabolic rate, metabolism also isn't static. Regular exercise speeds up one's metabolism. But like tumblrites managed to convince people that none of this is true. That you can be a jabba the hut and it has nothing to do with your 'health'. everyone is a smol bean and can't help their circumstance so we just need to validate everyone regardless of how much they actually try to change their circumstance.

absoluteboi

I don't hate BJG, but like i've definitely gone cold on her the more and more I realized that she doesn't give a shit about foreign policy. i can't really think of anyone as a 'socialist' if they don't have and internationalist mindset.

Rose

felix chungus

Friend of Pangolin

Way-too-online leftists who LOVE media leftists infighting are the most primed for the metaverse. Get an actual human life....or just start watching Real Housewives. This comment is so fucking sad.

arshia will

Re: Glenn and donzinger. He had one tweet about it where he heavily stressed it was a “nuanced case.” Based on his followers angry replies to it’s nuanced cause donzinger is a lib.

Comedy News

sometimes the right thing happens for the wrong reasons

J.P. McD.

Colin - yea good point, not like "Lis Smith" and James Carville are smart. Think "towers intellectually above 99.9%" is a bit much though. Tampa - cancel your subscription and go yell at some women commenting on True Crime podcasts, not sure what to tell you bud

Evan Scott

this is something they talked about a lot during both election cycles, and there are a ton of people like this, i think you're reading too much into it attributing it to one person who used to be on the show with some regularity even if that relationship chilled

J.P. McD.

Yea it’s possible the two example people I named are exempt from what Felix was saying I guess

Friend of Pangolin

Cancel my subscription, because of YOUR comment. Okay! Makes complete sense. And, by the way, I'm a woman, bud...and David Sedaris is hilarious. Don't know how he factors into this, unless you mean David Sirota (I don't think they have an issue with him and he is an amazing leftist journalist.)

J.P. McD.

Tampa - you are mad at a commenter rather than mad at the people doing the actual “infighting” (granted they didn’t use names and may be referring to other people). Your priorities are warped.

J.P. McD.

(And you shouldn’t be mad or “sad” about either because this is entertainment that has little to no bearing on actual politics, as you well know.)

Zarathushtra

I'm forcing my way through it not out of boredom but how unjust the situation.

Dan

While he’s giving the finger to Spotify, he’s also GETTING finger blasted by Amazon. Did u ever think of that???

Dan

I love this podcast but only one of the members is capable of reaching Valhalla. -Pope of Marxism

Dan

We need more time to unpack the Bernie campaign. Not because the chapo boys are political savvy geniuses who could have done better or they need to own up to it but because someone needs to address it for what it was.

No

Don' think that was the point he was making but you can always use Neil Young Archives or just pirate it dude

alex miller

That was an amazing read, and very well sourced. Correlational, but damn that's a lot of coincident correlations.

etienne

someone would need to write a book that's as zany as Donna Brazile's recap of the Hillary 2016 campaign, then they can do a funny ep about it

Hector Jaime

“Hey hey” (—neil young), it is kind of funny to see Rogan groveling with two—TWO—back-to-back apologies after the Neil young pressure campaign (why doesn’t Neil say anything about how all streaming services except for Bandcamp screw musicians??). With his Kermit-the-frog-meets-a-New-York-grandma voice. More allegations now come forth of ableism and anti-Asian jokes. Watch out Nick Mullen! Oh and adult marvel comics and movies do suck. Here’s to Herbie the Fat Fury!

kallampero

I've got a Charlotte ticket to sell. Inquire within.

Boaz Corey

I'm sure if we all just stop pumping gas at Chevron stations then the problem will be solved, right?

John Gauger

Thanks for the Thin Lizzie, Chris.

Kirstwb

great work here guys!