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599 - The Inebriated Past 11 - Mormons, pt. 2: Polygamy Without the ‘Polyg’ (2/3/22) (Patreon)

Published:
2022-02-04 02:42:48
Edited:
2022-02-04 03:04:06
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2026-06

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Continuing from episode 557 - Mormons, pt. 1, Matt guides us through the history of the Mormons after the death of Joseph Smith. We continue to track how the development of Mormonism reflects and refracts the development of American capitalism.

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Camden

Had a Mormon friend in high school who got kicked off his mission because he just surfed on all day instead of doing church stuff

Mad Larkin

th;e only past is the drunken past

etienne

holy shit first they send Matt on Radio War Nerd to participate in their American Civil War and then our absolute boy the king of content hand crafts us the long awaited Mormon pt. II?

G

LET’S GOOO

Paul

I’m soyfacing

Major Powers

EIGHT EDIT I MEAN 9TH EDIT IT LOOKS LIKE EIHGT THOUGH

Aaron Panos

A funny option in most nevada land grant colleges; you can skip a humanities class for a history of nevada which is a broad view of the Utah territory and mormon

James Emma

These episodes are tight but from this Patron I usually just want the three boys doing witty banter on current events and silly articles...

Isaac Jones

I need my southern chappettes to get some Poppy Part 3 chants going at these live shows. This is praxis. 2 inebriated pasts, 2 Donziger interviews, and a D&D campaign before Poppy Part 3? Criminal

Gordon Schmidt

Matt was on RWN? Which episode? I just looked at all of the Civil War eps and none of them say he's a guest

Leonid

Yesss. Gimmie more slop!

Matt James Rich

Oh YES! yeahbabyyeahbabyyeahbabyyeahbaby

T

Ahhhh, this is some fine podcasting.

justdave

Ol Joe (Smith that is) getting murdered only adds to his aura of divinity

justdave

OK wait, I thought Nauvoo got blowed up by the death star- am I nuts?

Shauna Seroquel

Ahem, a half-finished D&D campaign, sir! This is some 4D edging.

T

REED SMOOT

Gordon Schmidt

Matt should do one of these each for the other two Great American Folk Religions, The Church of Scientology and the Nation of Islam

Steve Young

You can always tell a non-mormon by the way they pronounce "lamanites."

Steve Young

Oh! dang, I've got kin that was in the United Order in Orderville!

Steve Young

Stakes are led by Stake Presidents, and are made up of Wards. Each Ward is led by a Bishop.

Jay

love these and love matt- would love 2 hear more about these sort of groups we’re all aware of but don’t know a ton about ! quakers might be interesting- those guys are loons

Vanessa Johnson

Trips me out any time Matt mentions Cleon Skousen, he's my great uncle and my family is deeply into that kind of hyper-capitalist super-right Mormonism. Cleon is the pride of the whole Skousen family, my grandpa actually had a nervous breakdown because he couldn't live up to Cleon's example. Leaving Mormonism in that family was hell

Vanessa Johnson

Cleon also has a son named Erik Skousen who wrote a book called Earth In The Beginning which is Erik's weird take on Mormon cosmology, it's pretty bizarre

Michael Barbarich

Under the Banner of Heaven is such a great book about the bloodstained history of the Mormons. Such a uniquely American cult of lunatics.

Steve Young

Do yourself a favor and take a shot every time Matt says "promulgated". Love it!

Vincent Utah

Another historical critique of my childhood religion from the mad lad who can’t pronounce Sidney Rigdon properly.

Vincent Utah

I grew up with a bunch of Skousen’s in the Draper/Sandy area. Guarantee they’re related.

William

Damn dude, your write, if some dude can't say words good enough, like that lack of auditory fidelity basically cancels out any insights they may have or statements that they would make - their all instantly dumb and wrong

Steve Young

Lamanites, too. and a couple other things. But overall, he nailed it!

Vincent Utah

William calm down. I’m just talking shit.

BossHoss

Couldn’t have wagon trains of fuckbois posting up out west…

Jeff Martin

Dying and ascending to a planet where my penis is big

VanLeft

around 47min Mormonism kinda hits different..

Vanessa Johnson

We're all related 🤣 just glad I didn't get the name

Andrew M

I wonder if Matt would be interested in studying the cult of Santa Muerte as the religion of workers and the impoverished after studying Mormonism.

Jason Weiser

get jerry fallwell jr on the pod or I unsub

justdave

My man mitt sure can wear the fuk out of some jeans, - do Mormon men have peniss?

Patrick fitzsimons

Those polygamist cult houses aren't finished because of tax loophole that doesn't tax unfinished construction.

Vincent Utah

Black people were actually allowed to have memberships in the church prior to the ‘70’s. What the 1978 “revelation” did was grant black men the opportunity to hold the Priesthood: the alleged holy/magical power which the church’s patriarchy uses to govern, heal the sick (when god wills it), and achieve the powers of godhood in the next life. The proclamation also allowed black people to finally enter into the temple and perform the temple rites required for anyone and everyone to enter Mormon heaven’s highest tier and yeah… basically become gods. Also, the three hours of Sunday meetings got chopped down to two in 2018. They now alternate between the quorum and Sunday school meetings.

Hudson

All I'm saying is you get a Mormon chick off the farm, she will eat you alive

David Andrews

Excellent episode. Even better photo of Mitt.

David Andrews

On behalf of the blacks, thank you to the Mormons for being less racist and cunty.

NukaDirtbag

Cringed hearing that pronunciation of lamanite, but good show nonetheless

Michael S. Judge

how did we all watch Romney campaign for a year-plus and never notice that he's one of those rare white boys with ass

Blake Patraw

woah the first wagon trains left Illinois on my -153rd birthday?? thats wild

Blake Patraw

wtf i used to work in san Bernardino why am i relating to so many random facts in this

Boggs

God damnit, I'm going to convert.

AbsenteeUncle

Clearly not inebriated this time

etienne

next! John just said it on facebook

Chetzmom

Sorry, but Mormon polygamy wasn't added to the religion because of Joseph Smith and church members deep social concerns for young women who've been lead astray. The Polygamy Joining-Bonus was created because Smith got a "revelation" (from his loins) that he needed to bang his family's young house maid. Joseph's wife called bullshit and she and her brother essentially left that part of Mormonism. Matt even said, the power a man has in the church is in direct correlation to the number of his wives. So you have 80 yo men marry 13 yo girls. As with most religions and ALL power, it always boils down to 2 reasons: A Buck or A Boner.

Chetzmom

So... Matt is joining LDS?

etienne

no it gets rammed into Venus. wrong scifi franchise

absoluteboi

ive waited for this for so long matt :pray:

justdave

Who let you in here?

JV

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T

LSD.

Bryan Jennings

Hell of Presidents has conditioned me so well that I was stunned the first time Matt said "Free Real Estate" and Chris didn't edit in the meme clip

justdave

It really is an awesome photo, the pride of semi tall men who look like this is so funny- I have an uncle who wears cut off short short jeans when he mows the lawn (and probably the neighbor ladies too)

beats_on_repeat

Nice an episode about my great grandparents

Chetzmom

NOW it makes sense! Thanx!

miltonic

Yeah I'm a member of MGTOW, Mormons Going Their Own Way

Owen

the perfect choice of closing music, good job Chris

Logan

Does anyone know what the music that plays at the beginning is?

Of course

Real tariff hours.

J Lit

Great ep Matt

Personal Religion

I was raised Mormon and even went on a mission to Chile, but a year after I got back from my mission I found out about the real history of the church and realized I had essentially been brainwashed for the first 21 years of my life. That was fun

Elliot Matheny

This series was so fuckin good. This shit right here is why I shell out my $5 every month.

Elliot Matheny

Not uncommon for Mormons, interestingly. I’ve known several Mormon men with respectable donk.

Elliot Matheny

As someone with friends who have left the church, I can 100% second how terrible that community is to those who leave it.

Elliot Matheny

Damn, I wish I’d taken this class back in the day

Simon

yeah, he was just explaining it from the church's point of view. fairly sure he talked about how horny smith was in the first episode

Sean

Matt is smart

jsobrie

Da Poly-G Show

etienne

"laymanits" is what im getting

BJ

You are a loser - stop commenting on stuff. You are sad and pathetic.

BJ

Hi I pay $5 per month to just complain every single week that I didn't get the specific episode topic I wanted

Daniel Chamberlain

This really helps to explain why this state feels like such a bubble. There's so much that you're just never exposed to here, some good, some bad.

Vincent Utah

We all were, Adam. Glad you got out when you did, and you’re lucky you were so young. I’ve seen people leave well into their adult years and have some severe midlife crises that really fucked them up.

Jessica S

Nothing says “welcoming community” like the practice disappearing apostates from their memory.

Dan

I’ve been agitating for part 2 for some time now, and was pleasantly surprised to be greeted by it today. The inebriated past episodes are great, and the Mormon 2 parter is the best one, I think. I would love more like these, and I would also love if Felix and Matt did more stuff like “Time for my stories”. I love Matt’s historiography, and I love Felix’s earnest digressions about how pop culture ephemera of the 2000’s exemplified the cultural zeitgeist. Thanks for doing this one, Matt!

Dan

Here in the southern part of the Canadian Province of Alberta, we also have a Mormon history in Cardston and area. Just as break-away groups fled to Mexico and elsewhere in order to continue practicing plural marriage, we had several bands of Mormon polygamists arrive and settle in the late 1880’s. Alberta at that time had only recently been brought under Canadian law and colonization, where prior to that it was a lawless haven for American outlaws: poachers, rogue whiskey traders etc. To add to the refugees from American law, we got entire communities of Polygamist Mormons that made their own trek to seclusion. Cardston endures today as a regional center of the LDS church, with a big temple ( the first LDS temple built outside of the US).

Peter

Yessss!!!!!!

Joshua Long

as an ex mormon i really appreciate the materialist approach matt takes to the history of the church

BB

Pretty sure my fam settled orderville!

BB

This rocks, Matt. As an ex member it’s always wild to hear a non-Mormon history of Mormons. Most of us were raised with a weird ass, half truth, make believe history. Super good ep.

BB

My husband and I didn’t leave till we were almost 30 had a kid. Shit is wild to leave when you’re married and have kids. My mom left after we did and that blows my mind even more.

Garrett Robinson

Also an ex-member who went on a mission. Chapo needs to come to Utah on tour!

Mark Schneider

They're just contenders, not Champs!! Both tried to get their greedy paws on Michael Jackson during his declining years, (CoS via marrying off Lisa Marie Presley as his beard, NoI were his trusted bodyguards in the final years)-- "Sad!" they failed and will never reach the status of Moroni worshipers!

Mark Schneider

Any rules about circumcision, since they're the "new Jews"?

Mark Schneider

President Buchanan was nearly as shitty at waging wars of conquest as li'l W. Bush the Lesser? Who'd a thunk it? Thanks, Matt, you just taught me about a small US incursion/war I knew nothing about.

justdave

The Mormons paid ute' ( I think, maybe cherakawa I can't remember) to take part in those raids against the square heads and Minnesotans

justdave

No but the women all braid their pubic hair

justdave

Fun but gross and ugly fact, Mormons and Natives really get along

etienne

you guys should listen to Radio War Nerd #311 about James Buchanan, deep dive into the Utah War and how Buchanan went at it in order to make sure that as many Union troops as possible were as far as possible from the rising Confederate armies. For ... some ... reason.

Jacob Curley

I guess Poppy pt. 3 is the new Half Life 3

etienne

Poppy pt 2. episode 1 Poppy pt 2. episode 2 Poppy: Alyx

etienne

Radio War Nerd / Matt Christman crossover just dropped over at RWN patreon. Go listen to it

etienne

it just dropped as of 2306 est

Daniel Slivers

jumpscare from matt saying "the JEWSSS"

greg n simmons

Yeah, we got them in BC too, such as Bountiful BC -- which has been the focus of polygamy constitutionality issues, international underage bride trafficking, eventual criminal convictions, and more.

Adam Grimm

I’m gonna promulgate this ass

Jessica S

After listening to this series, it cracks me up that, in The Expanse, it’s Mormons building themselves a spaceship to fly to some far off system or whatever they were doing. They probably will be the last of the Christianity vein of religions, lol.

S.E. Nyarady

he's also talking about the effect polygamy had at mitigating the social dislocation of those women in way that would otherwise later be addressed through a welfare state, not saying it was Why there was polygamy

S.E. Nyarady

excellent ending song choice, connects Flowers' mormon upbringing and those lyrics to the analysis in the episode, really good

Harry

Great ep. Nice work Matt.

T

It really is going to be the last Christian religion, unless an even more Mormon version of Christianity pops up. Btw, there are space Mormons in Starship Troopers too, if you haven't seen it.

PMT

Kenneth Smith

That could’ve been Matt himself tbh. He’s sang that song at least twice at the start of streams in the past

Ascetic Blur

Hey boys. I'll be at the March 22nd show in Houston. Hit me up if you need supplies.

Gavin Anderson

Who were your great grandparents? My 4th great grandfather was Charles C. Rich who was an apostle that settled Bear Lake, San Bernardino, etc.

Adam

this is brilliant great work

PMT

Scott Willis

Agreed, but he should have asked one of us how to pronounce Moroni and Lamanites.

Comedy News

everybody seemed to know the power of the language of redistribution back in the day. Nowadays there are hardly even demagogues who'll use it... !

Stolzie

Matt’s ascription of a coherent ideology to eg Fox News hosts and far-right fuckies is IMO too complex: these guys do not have any coherent worldview other than “pretend Jesus and capitalist, but serve only $$.”

Daniel Schmidt

Been waiting listlessly for this to drop

CS

I adore Matt's inebriated past episodes, but my man knows almost nothing when it comes to religion qua religion

IHaveHemorrhoids

We need one with Matt being hammered loudly just listing off the greatest hits of socialism

Mick Taylor

I'd hammer Matt loudly, if you know what I'm sayin'

kallampero

I've got a Charlotte ticket to sell. Inquire within.

Vincent Utah

Meanwhile Young was living in a plantation-styled mansion in downtown SLC (which you can now reserve dinner parties at) fondling teenaged girls, and having “consecrated” olive oil shoved up his ass to try and cure his bowl problems that eventually killed him. Not to mention literally all of the nasty shit he had to say about black people, including how “mixing with the seed of Cain” was worthy of a death sentence.

Dakota Watkins

The tenets and outputs of a religion are more important than the theological justifications therein

Dakota Watkins

In my experience growing up mormon, there is no popular vein of leftist ideology to be found. they are christians that think they're too smart to be a normal protestant. brigham young was the worst thing that could have happened - Joseph wasn't perfect but he at least seemed more dedicated to the early collectivism

Rose Flaglor

i loved your work in the rolling stones

Robert Henderson

An SLC show would be so much fun. Did they ever hit Denver even?