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601 - Convoy feat. Dan Boeckner (2/11/22) (Patreon)

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2022-02-11 22:00:08
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2026-06

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Sr. Canada-Ukraine correspondent Dan Boeckner returns to update us on Canada’s trucker convoy issue as well as their new Queen Romana. Then we turn to Ukraine, discussing the ongoing tensions in the region, as well as how Ukrainian style corruption is working it’s way into the industrial midwest. Finally, a reading series from and old friend reminding folx to be considerate and refrain from using the w*rm*nger slur.

See E1 & Wolf Parade on tour: https://www.e1pod.com/shows

Check out Dan’s podcast The Bottlemen here: https://thebottlemen.podbean.com/

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etienne

Aw sweet Bottlemen Premium

Dan

Second!

joshkkeegan

East bown and down loaded up and truckin

The dude

Checked my phone to see if new Chapo dropped and got the notification as I opened the phone. Perfect. We love it!

Zach Pierce

Breaker breaker 19 what’s your 20 I gotta line on some smokies at the last rabbit trap over: (Crshhhh)Heil Hitler over

Zach Pierce

We’re in it for the long heil… we’re gonna do what those Jews in the media say can’t be done /Sarcasm

Zach Pierce

Ramona from The House Of Hoser

Jackie Jump Jorp

Convoy! Filmed in part on the dirt road where I grew up! The remnants of a barn they jumped a car through stood all through my childhood, and the bridge they built over a drainage ditch stood for years until a flash flood wiped it out and the county deigned to put in a viable culvert.

Mitch H.

Russia can take the Ukraine on the condition that America annexes Canada.

T

Dan Boeckner talking about Ukrainians in Canada is one of my favourite things.

Sirloinofice

You know I'm kind of convinced the both America and Russia really don't want to fight each other and this whole nonsense is just them trying to convince the other that they're the bigger chad and would totally own the other guy so they better watchout. Both Putin and Biden are just having constant flashbacks to all the wars they got owned in.

TugNuggins

Boring ep. As a Canadian I was hoping to get a lot more put of it, Esp about the convoy. Annoying

Mark Schneider

Classic both-siderism!! US is overreaching as usual, luckily some big foreign Arms sales today made Raytheon, Boeing etc. happy so maybe they WON'T need to start a potential WW III for the donors. But don't kid yourself, it's 99% US-pushed brinksmanship, Bidenites distracting from their failure to pass any BBB aid to anyone except Chamber of Commerce c*ckgobblers or check Covid. The Russian leadership aren't as insecure, childish and ignorant as the Anglo-US clowns who ginned up all the previous wars and promoted this one for midterms ratings purposes!!

J

Spotted the ontarian

Woke Batou

Goated. Thank you boys 🙏

Ede

Anyone know the name of the outro song?

Aromal Ray Donovan

Dirty Lyle does not approve. Peckinpah ketchup shots are not the same as squib shots.

Chris Wade

It’s a hot off the presses Dan Boeckner demo called “Dead Tourists”, an ep exclusive!

Ozzie

Blame Qanada!

Vincent Utah

Congrats to the wholesome boy Chris on finally getting that plaque!

Michael

What do you mean there's no workplace demands Will? They are demanding workplace safety requirements, in this case vaccine mandates, be repealed. They are fighting for the right to work, there's some working class solidarity for you am I right?

Kathy

Occupy had no clear demands. The pussy hat march had no demands. Inarticulate working class motion is not new. Inarticulate anger is what we got, is what we are. There is tons of Covid related harms. Fuck Chapo for trashing the truckers for confusing communism with state repression, not having a neat analysis and speeches and shit. Christman kinda gets it.

justdave

'Mad Cow Desease' is Matt's new punk band- he does vocals and cow bell

Michael

Also have to push back on this idea about these people being upset about the government not doing enough to help alleviate pain caused by the pandemic, they are mad because they just simply can't do what they want whenever they want without question. There is a clear resentment of them having to think about other people besides themselves.

Null_null

The article is from 2017

Steff

Yet another "Canadian" episode in which our representative, Dan, fails to acknowledge the brilliance of the classic Canadian television show, Kenny vs Spenny, thereby perpetuating Trailer Park Boys supremacy and continuing the “dark ages” of America ignorance of the greatest cultural contribution Canada has to offer.

justdave

Excuse me but Senator General Jon McCain is not bad at war. He 'was' bad at war, that pig fukr is in hell - that 17 year old who shot him down was good

Null_null

They all acknowledged that it’s tempting to understand the truckers on the terms you’ve laid out. Wtf did you listen to?

Major bit me

These truckers aren’t working class they own their trucks fcs

Nobody

Nothing says pro worker like wanting to get your fellow worker sick and the phrase "right to work"

T

This is an owner-operator, Qanon scammer, astroturf protest. It has nothing to do with the working class beyond aesthetics. It has the same class composition as the January 6th small business tyrant convention. You can tell it's not actually working class because it's supported by the police, the PPC, the Falun Gong cult, all of Canada's Nazi orgs, Donald Trump, Elon Musk, Tucker Carlson, etc.

Alal Alal

So worker protests are only legitimate if they're done by leftists? You say they have no clear demands right after acknowledging it's about the vaccine mandate?

Nobody

Oops that Jamie Kirchick article is from 2017

Matthew Black

So upset to hit play and not immediately hear the opening strains of CW McColl’s late 70’s hit ‘convoy’

Gordon Schmidt

I'm 100% with Matt,we should conquer Canada. We'll say it's a humanitarian intervention of behalf of the First Nations or something. Maybe we can let Quebec be independent, that would be pretty funny

Alexandr

yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer

Alexandr

ghhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy~~~

Null_null

Leftist = not a thing

Gordon Schmidt

Also Lavrov is a smooth operator, he 100% walked Liz Truss into that. Made a bet that she did not know that Rostov and Voronezh were places in Russia and she couldn't have fallen for it harder

Null_null

Owner/operator fat white nazi = not a worker

Zach Lemon

Isn't it Roh-mah-nah? Classic Will here.

Alal Alal

As if the mandate didn't apply to them too? So you only support workers if you deem them workers and like their politics, got it

Null_null

Sounds like you do got it, my dumb little bitch.

Null_null

Go read Bari Weiss’s substack, you right wing dolt.

Do Golems Dream of Ceramic Sheep

There's some nice parallelism there. Russia grabs land they sent ethnic Russians into; we grab land we sent ethnic Texans into.

greg n simmons

The (white nationalist) organizers of the occupation do actually have concrete demands -- primary among them, the wholly reasonable demand that the Governor General disband parliament and install them as rulers.

Tim Marten

What is the awesome outro song? Thx.

Harry P. Ness

I live in Windsor and I got stuck in the freedom convoy the other day. Bunch of trucks and shit all decked out in canadian flags and shit. Thought maybe we won something in the Olympics till I got a bit deeper. Taking up the two non-truck lanes, honking their horns, driving slow with their 4-ways on and shit. Little bit of "crazy shit written on the side of a van" stuff but mostly just Canadian flags. Made me late to see my best friends dying dog for the last time. She was 15 btw.

Dan

The Q-Queen spectacle is the perfect synthesis of Improbable, unsubstantiated Q claims about secret realities (I.e. stating that arrests of enemies have already taken place), and the sovereign citizen conception of law that predominates on the populist Right. I respect the Q-Queen’s hustle, that she saw an increasingly agitated demographic of people becoming unmoored from reality, and just declared herself its leader for personal gain.

Jessica S

Whenever I see or hear the word “convoy” I always hear Homer Simpson singing that song into the toy microphone machine, lol.

cwen

Chapo is no friend of the working class? Shocker.

cwen

Who is honestly surprised that chapo isn't pro worker? They are Hasan libs

Chetzmom

I remember when that movie came out and CB radios became the craze. Best movie Tonka ever made. Kris Kristiferson and Ali Mcgraw, the Bonnie & Clyde of the Big Rigs.

Chetzmom

I'm south of Flint, and we've been following the Ambassador clusterfuck. Much sympathy to your friend on his old dog. But, if protests aren't annoying & disruptive, even if they don't have a clear demand, they are not protests. They're parades.

Chetzmom

I thought Chapo was more disruptive to the system. Now I believe they're just more passive-aggressive versions of Hasan Piker, with a larger vocabulary & obscure reference bank. Ouch.

Chetzmom

Appears Richard Wolff has a different take than Chapo on the Truckers Protest. He supports this protests! So is he an idiot or a secret Nazi? Guess the Black Canadians who are truckers or supporters are all Right Wing QAnon types as well? The Sikh truckers who support this are also White Supremacists? Huh, learn something contradictory everyday. Disappointed in Chapo's lazy limousine liberal take on this. We need MORE protest everywhere of all kinds. If electoral politics are a dead end - protesting, striking and unionizing is the only option. I don't have to agree with their social stances, if we both agree on fucking up the Machine... Solidarity!

Ian Priest

Love to be a british person: eating my tainted beef, driving to Tescos in my leaded gasoline car and complaining about council bin collections on Facebook

Libeccio

I can't find it, but I can tell you it's from one of Dan's bands, I assume Operators!

etienne

zero person have a good take on the truckers but supporting them is especially braindead

aKg

This is really the episode I need to share with someone

Null_null

I saw the clip where he talked about the truckers in the same breath as Deere and Kellogg’s workers, which...Wow dude! No wonder you’re on Jimmy Dore’s show. But hey, prove me wrong Prof. Turn these truckers who would literally kill you into proud prols.

Null_null

FWIW I think Wolff is acting in good faith by appealing to Dore’s audience, but it’s misguided at best.

Adam Murphy

It's absolutely US meddling in Ukraine. State Department wants to prevent NORD 2, and get Europe to rely on US natural gas and shale. But the US doesn't have enough LG to replace Russia's LG, and the shale oil industry is collapsing, leaving few levers for the US to squeeze Putin and Russia. All Putin has to do is chill, wait for the prices of energy to continue to rise, and he'll get most of what he wants. The only one way this blows up in Putin's face is if Russia is seen as the aggressor against Ukraine and invades for no reason. US will try to provoke Russia via CIA trained Ukrainian Nazi soldiers, but I doubt Putin falls the bait. The CIA wants revenge for Putin defeating Timber Sycamore, a huge L for the CIA. But NatSec (including CIA) aren't what they used to be.

Kathy

Tommy, you forgot pedophiles and transphobes. No smearing is complete without them.

Vincent Utah

“We need more protests everywhere of all kinds.” Uhh yeah… like I’m totally going to back a protest of assholes who see my trans ass as a sign of societal decay and literally want me dead. Oh wait… no I’m not. STFU

Chetzmom

Vincent Utah, you are assuming that everyone in the Trucker Convoy is anti-Trans. Would you also be against anti-war protests, M4A rallies or joining a union because there may be people involved who are anti-trans, but also want M4A or better working conditions? That's too bad, cuz we are stronger together than apart. Peace.

J.P. McD.

Calling them “limousine liberals” while invoking lazy ass “but what about the Black truckers?” identity politics

Chetzmom

I wasn't the one that said that all the truckers were racists. It's easier to criticize my wording without trying to find common ground. Got it.

Vincent Utah

You said we need more protests everywhere of all kinds. Guess who’s been protesting A LOT lately? I’m not going to support people who are pushing for death out of unwarranted hatred. If you think Neo-Nazis and other right wing psychos are going to set aside their ideologies to come together out of SoLiDaRiTy, then you’ve never talked to a fringe right winger (or you’re sympathizing with them and throwing around some really bad faith in this comments section). If you think right wing support for things you agree with automatically means these people will “see the light” through some kind of miracle and come together with you for the sake of humanity, god help you when their goals are finally met and the gun gets turned on you. Better yet, read your history.

Tim Marten

Thanks. I Googled lyrics and I Shazamed it, and apparently, the song does not exist on the Internet. Awesome/annoying that they did that.

Chetzmom

I live in Trump country, Michigan. Canvassed for Bernie both times, and no, I'm not a secret right-winger. I'm a 57 yo grandma who is trying to find some way for people to find common ground. I don't know why I ever bother making a comment on Chapo. Everyone here is so ready to attack and rip to shreds any person who doesn't believe every word out of the Boyz mouths without question. I'm not talking about Neo-Nazis suddenly "seeing the light." I'm talking about people who may be conservative, liberal or progressive, putting aside those differences to fight for a common cause, like strengthening unions or M4A. Matt is probably right. We'll never come together, there will never be a revolution against our corrupt system and there's no point in trying. I guess most Chapo viewers follow that line of thought. But, I'm going to work and try to make things better. Peace.

etienne

to be clear, what drives me completely up the wall about the Truckers is that mobilization groups, unions and political parties are *constantly* protesting and arguing against actual leftist issues that touch the real working class such as slash and burn healthcare budget cuts, the privatization of social housing and the national housing policy being "support the housing bubble at all costs", the rollback of air pollution standards, the death spiral of public transit systems, hyper-exploitative online media and shopping companies, drastic education cost hikes, and it's not fucking registering. It doesn't blip on anyone's radar. None of it pulls any weight, in the public or at the goverment. On the other hand, you have a core far right wing identity movement from Alberta along with French canadian white supremacist groups that manage to completely gum up the works and monopolize now a month and counting of all the media oxygen left after the Ukraine manufactured crisis, and their demands are "abolish all sanitary measures" and "put Trudeau and the other communists in front of the pockmarked wall". It makes me want to tear my fucking hair out. It underlines with a brutally stark lighting that *there is no hope*. It will be like that, for ever, and it will get worse. If hope resides with the Gilets Jaunes, or the Truckers, or with the Capital storming guys, or Tea Party, or with any right-wing deathsquad astroturf group that our brain death media thinks might represent the future of mass opposition protests, then it means we *have lost everything*.

etienne

oh yeah also it's very funny that Trudeau and Douggie did absolutely nothing about the Ottawa siege but then the second FoMoCo/GM/Honda/Chrysler complained Douggie pulled the trigger on state of emergency and sent the RCMP to clear out the bridge to Detroit

cwen

These dumbasses don't know unions like the Teamsters are mobbed up. Hilarious how anyone thinks chapo is pro working class and not just a tool of big business

Acetate909

I've been on the verge of unsubbing from the Patreon for a while but this episode sealed the deal. Will is a rich NY brat that's never worked a hard day in his life and hes calling out a real working class protest? Fuck you.

Daniel Henrickson

So...trucker convey=wrong kind of people. Denigrate, ridicule, move on? After all, they are "culturally right wing"? I paid for this? WTF? And maybe I missed it, but did the episode offer a political critique at all? It sounded to me as though Will and his guest just don't like these people. This is not a movie, and the left is nowhere right now at least in part due to this kind of lets pretend my feelings are logical thoughts BS.

Alal Alal

how does that last part work exactly??

Alal Alal

Here's a proposal: don't begin applying new personal requirements for them to do work, like a vaccine mandate, and maybe they'll go home.

etienne

you intentionally misunderstood and misrepresented everything I said

etienne

the problem is not that the truckers are protesting the vaccine mandates, it's that no one else is protesting anything else, or it doesn't register.

etienne

your argument is also a complete non-sequitur. Truck drivers who want to do cross-border business also need two things: a class 5 driving license and a passport. Those two things usually take way more time and money to get sorted out than getting a *free vaccine*. People who want to do cross-border business can simply go take advantage of their free vaccine and move on with their lives. Yet they chose to die on that hill for reasons that are fundamentally ideological. If they choose to do so, we need to judge their motivations on an ideoligical basis. And their ideology? It sucks shit

etienne

They aggregated around a hard core of Alberta separatist wingnuts who've been pushing their radical hard-right ideology east for decades. They move to a new alleged cause every 5 years and see what sticks. They are not your friend. You do not need to defend them.

B2B Commuter

I would say that most of the people that think that will is a lib for his take on an astroturfed temper tantrum by small business owners getting treated with kid gloves by the state need to come to terms with the fact that they’re just a run of the mill libertarians.

etienne

ahhhhh you're a Jimmy Dore sub. okay fine go back to enjoying antivax propaganda

etienne

2nd pissed off Jimmy Dore subscriber in this thread. Interesting

Alal Alal

"Protest is always good", wow you sound like the ACLU before it lost its spine.

Chetzmom

Why are you so obsessed with Jimmy Dore? You don't support any creators, at least under the name etienne, and you just shit on everyone without offering anything constructive. Does all this make you feel superior or depressed? I'm sorry, hope you find some time to chill out this weekend.

Evan Scott

i don't know how after years of listening to this podcast people can still fall for the petit bourgeois masquerading as working class people thing

A RHINO

how tf are they a tool for big biz? are you alright man?

Andrew

Real working class guy here. You’re an idiot

etienne

I went to participate in a counterprotest to the trucker demo and saw a Trump flag on the same pole as a Patriotes flag and that fucked up my weekend nice and good thank you very much. The conter-demo ended up kettled by the cops while the main march had like 6 bike police framing them. Oh and Jimmy Dore is a crank antivax conspiracy theorist. And I set my subs to private because half of them are porn. And I put out a huge blob of text up there that you can read and give me your feedback if you want.

Evan Scott

like the vast majority of these people aren't even truckers, owner/operator or not, and the vast majority of canadian truckers are vaccinated, trucking unions are against the protest, but all these dumb fuckers take every far-right dipshit living on a trust who calls themselves working class because they wear blue jeans at complete face value

etienne

I read in the Atlantic that Chapo is a hard edged revolutionary podcast. First time listening, I'm very disappointed that they don't support a convoy that's made of 50% small business entrepreneurs and 50% retired law enforcement personnel. Am cancelling my sub

Andrew

Yeah man lots of minorities carry water for white supermacists because they have similar class interests. You can totally be black and a right wing nut, it’s actually more common than you think. Try talking to some black people sometime. You’re a dumb guy with weird takes on racial essentialism

Chetzmom

You're sweet.

Chetzmom

Just getting sweeter.

drewb

if you want to find common cause with Q-pilled moon-howlers who think vaccines are a plot by lizard people to give everybody 5G autism, that's on you

etienne

are you going to engage with what I saw and wrote or are you going to remain upset that I'm shitposting in the paywalled comment section of a comedy pundit entertainment product

B2B Commuter

FWIW chetzmom I said most, and wouldn’t put you in that group. You seem like you’re acting in good faith, but we disagree.

etienne

what I was saying over there is that I agree with you that this protest is harnessing a slice of the population that has been disconnected and depoliticized. The little old ladies, the family guys, the young folks who havent really got into college democracy, people who clearly havent been at a demo for a decade if ever. They're going out there. They're being engaged, and you know what? I'm mad as hell that they're not doing so on *my* terms. That's on me. But on the other hand, they're participating, wittingly or not, into a movement organized by the hard right wing, that is pushing a hard right wing cause. They're pretending to be left wing because it's useful and you, our credulous media, and opportunistic pundits are dumb or cynical enough to let it fly.

Chetzmom

The irony is that I found Chapo because years ago, Jimmy was talking about them. I also found Revolutionary Blackout News from Jimmy, which you should check out on YouTube or Rokfin. Your idea of "engaging" is trash talking. I'm not in the mood for verbal abuse. So I will say,, have a good night, sleep tight and don't let the bed bugs bite. And if they DO - hit em' with a shoe.

Tim Marten

It's fuckin' great. Tell him to release that shit, so I don't have to keep rewinding the end of a Chapo ep to OD on it.

T

I think that some of the people in here still have socialist beliefs but are in denial about the state of the left. They're starved for hope and will latch onto any phony movement out of desperation. I've been grifted too, so I don't really blame them, but jesus christ how is this not the most obvious one yet?

Andrew

I work in the logistics industry - our drivers are largely hard working, poor, ethnically diverse working class people who are treated like shit every day. They've given up the fight for better wages or hours or labor rights - they've been broken on those fronts. In this convoy I see a group of people fighting one last time in the name of rights to their own bodies, and I see the thinkers of our time ridicule and demean them. Disappointed. I've watched Will and Felix pivot deeper into lazy drive-by liberalism since Bernie lost - they've lost the will to fight and to evidently to think. Matt is a notable exception. Perhaps clouded by their wealth and distance from real people it's easy to other these hardworking truckers *actually* seizing the means of production and fighting for their rights. Chapo has been blinded and gotten lost. I, and as I can tell many others on this thread will be unsubscribing. I encourage you all to consider it - abandoning working people, no matter their cause, is the final straw for me. Matt Christman - please continue to do your work; as things stand I will pay for anything you put out, and I'll be sad to say goodbye to Hingepoints and The Inebriated Past series.

Vincent Utah

Good luck trying to make horseshoe theory a reality pal.

Julie Baxter

Well hell yeah, the heroic truckers don't get beaten up by the RCMP like the indigenous people protesting pipelines and such, so God's Light Shines Out Of Their White Asses.

Null_null

It’s almost as if they’re both on the side of capital!

leah

motherfucker how many times are you gonna threaten to unsubscribe over vaccine bullshit. do it already

Andrew

Thought I'd be patient and see if time might change their minds. It's one thing to invoke their personal opinions - abandoning a workers movement is another thing entirely. Thanks for the constructive thoughtful replies as usual, "peepee"

etienne

that's interesting input but the way I'd interpret it is that if the drivers are getting crushed in terms of compensation and conditions so badly that they fall in line behind a spinoff of the Wildrose Party, that seems to me like a very bad thing!

CT

This is such a disingenuous and patently bad take. Acting like any and all worker uprisings are somehow inherently “good” is absurd. Hardhat riots much? FOH

leah

abandon this fucking patreon andrew!!!!!!!!

Hector Jaime

Is this Bari Weiss? Hi Bari! 👋🏼

Hector Jaime

Ugh, I listen to chapo to get away from the general stupidity of political discourse. And then I make the mistake of checking out the comments. 😳

Hector Jaime

Too much “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” thinking going on around here. That’s a typical conservative value, btw.

AKorgar

Moron. Please do unsub, we would welcome your absence.

DM

What's the song at the end?

Christopher Price

Aimee's pathetic little frens are easily fooled by anyone in denim and flannel. The trucker protest is a load of prairie horseshit.

ex-cantaloupe

This song is wonderful I agree he should definitely release it. I never realized Dan was a musician, just searched him up and found out he played guitar on some tracks for Islands...sick. Also congrats Chris!

justdave

You have a childs brain

Christopher Price

yeah, the NEETs who simp for terminally online anorexic girls have no idea what the actual working class looks like, so yeah they fall for aesthetics every time. I actually know of a trucker who got fired for not getting vaxxed, but he's an asshole who gave one of my co-workers covid. There's no personal body autonomy when dealing with this sort of public health crisis.

justdave

And a baby dik

Andrew Cross

"So you only support workers if you deem them workers and like their politics" i don't know what's confusing about this, yes.

Mason Coffey

Yes, protests are good when they are done for leftist causes, they are bad when they are right-wing. Those protests should be stopped, likely by state repression. To think otherwise is liberal delusion.

magnano

hell yeah chris

Nick V.

So this is what I gathered from the comments (i.e. Chris Wade's reply comment to another user above) so that people don't have to ask this anymore: The outro music is a demo from Dan Boeckner's band Wolf Parade titled "Death Tourist." You will not find it by reverse-searching the lyrics because he has yet to officially release it. Also, it's a goddamn banger. Thanks for the info, Chris!

justdave

Teamsters not in the mafia, you've never had a job. Those movies took place in the 50s

Garth Hillsborough

I'm just saying the USSR wouldn't have any time for your socdem whining about bodily autonomy. I'd give critical support to Beria before I give it to a bunch of hollering middle class psychos fucking their trucks.

justdave

You should be chemically castrated

Hector Jaime

That “bodily autonomy” part is what I don’t get. I’m being asked to show solidarity with “workers” who refuse to show solidarity by getting vaccinated and wearing masks to help prevent other others getting covid and if, say, they have MS or something, gets super super sick. Once again, I as a leftist am getting asked to compromise and bend over backwards for people who refuse to compromise. These people sound like the Democratic Party: “it’s ok, we know many of these people are right wing anti-union anti-immigrant racists who say shit like ‘I don’t want my taxes to go to pay for someone else’s kids’, but just show support this one time to help the cause.” Meh.

Alal Alal

You never actually acknowledged what they are protesting. Being against vaccine mandates is more common among conservatives, but it isn't some matter of pure right wing ideology--I am a leftist. You're saying it's NBD, that is not the case for everyone but their opinion is invalid to you.

Alal Alal

"i don't know what's confusing about this, yes." The vaccine is an additional requirement to work placed on workers. It's sad that chapo fans don't see this basic fact. You're okay with additonal work requirements since you don't agree with the politics of those who don't want it. I bet you don't want them to have health care, either.

etienne

How many times do I have to explain that they're far-right agitators who struck a nerve that allow them to pretend to be on the side of the workers. You literally don't have to get manipulated by their lies. Of course their opinion is invalid to me, they're a far-right movement!

Alal Alal

"You mean I'm supposed to push for free healthcare for a bunch of people who don't even think I should have free healthcare?!?!"

etienne

oh yeah also they already said now they won't go home when the border vaccine mandate is lifted, they now want *everything* gone, back to 2019. That was a lie, this is a lie, and whatever other demand they make up on the spot next is also a lie. How do I know? They're far-right agitators. That's where they come from, that's how they're acting, and that's what they're saying among themselves.

etienne

the only branch of canadian politics that sided with them are the hard-right fringe of the Conservative party whose agenda is: curtailing of LGBT rights, repeal of environmental regulations, more export of fossil fuel, union-busting, hard money policy and budget tightening, and a foreign policy in lockstep with US imperialism. Real left-wing stuff.

Hector Jaime

Yes, alal that’s exactly what I’m saying. The truckers don’t get free health care. Because that’s what these protests are about. Don’t be silly.

Hector Jaime

Nice straw man argument with the free healthcare comment. Good one.

Alal Alal

So did you change your nick to Null rather than "Kyle Orlowicz" just so you could start shitposting, or were you just doing it all along? try being less fat before you go around calling people "bitch"

Hector Jaime

Because uneasy alliances with shitty people have historically gone really well. Just ask the CIA.

justdave

I agree with everything said in this episode, but I do think it would be funny if we supplied the truckers with ak47s

justdave

Mr Peterson goin off today

justdave

I'm gonna go fuk a man just cus you said not to

Hector Jaime

I’ll join them when they protest their work requirement of driving the speed limit. Then I’ll show up to protest my workplace requirement of wearing pants and underwear so that I don’t get my disgusting ass juice all over the cafeteria chairs.

justdave

I'm on whoevers side who let's me take Alejandro out behind the factory and 'beria' him

PKLR

Wow, maybe next time just don't try to have any take on Eastern European geopolitics. Your ignorance is insulting.

Hector Jaime

Right. The truckers are protesting because Trudeau isn’t as capitalist as they’d like him to be.

Alal Alal

that's the part of the episode you have a problem with? the really true part? lol

Alal Alal

Whether this protest is about healthcare is clearly not the point I was making, don't be daft. I'm saying it's the exact same sentiment regardless of if it's healthcare: when you convince everyone that these others are just disgusting unwashed masses, it's easier for everyone to believe that they shouldn't have healthcare either. Chris made this exact point regarding healthcare on this show over a year ago! Now instead of "give everyone healthcare" it's "give only the vaccinated healthcare", and instead of "support demands of workers" it's "listen to workers if i personally approve of who they are". Either way you are bending your principles

Julie Baxter

They think he's a communist, so yes.

Julie Baxter

Good to know where you stand on the further plundering of indigenous peoples, dude.

Of course

Richard Seymour has helpfully explained that the rightwing response to Covid is a mix of social darwinism and hedonism. There's a certain populist allure there, and the Freud in me is sympathetic to how conflicted, even crazed, human brains are... but the protesting truckers aren't fighting for workers.

Hector Jaime

I’m on your side I think based on your comment on police brutality towards pipeline protestors so I’m not sure why you are being mean to me. But ok.

justdave

Nope, it's fine, just checked

justdave

You just steal jokes, baby dik

Hector Jaime

Met who, a conservative or an indigenous person? I’m from the southwest, so yes to both. Not sure who you are responding to Alejandro, but to clarify my comment, it’s this notion that I need to team up with the trucker convoy because of a supposed common enemy. I really don’t get how that jumped to me supporting the plundering of indigenous people. 🤔

justdave

I'll just eat da poopoo dude

Hector Jaime

“Listen to the demands of workers”. Any fucking demands they make whether they’re shit I have to listen and agree? What? You’re turning all workers, I mean owner operators, into saints who can’t be questioned. You are almost religious and absolutist about it. And now adding slippery slope arguments to say that then I’ll be saying unvaccinated people don’t get healthcare. Damn.

Hector Jaime

Oh wow, I guess I can’t call anyone a far right capitalist anymore because they won’t get healthcare if I do.

justdave

You actually like being a 'middle class' dipshit don't you? Wait till your first actual hardship, watch as your whole family, friends, the entire little fascist America turn its back on you, you mock trans? Can you imagine the power of choosing your identity rather than being cursed to it? Then having evry pissant like you terrorize them/even in text- fuck their brave.wheres your scars you tubby reject?

justdave

<- my cat, Diego is from the gutter of reno nv, he is covered in scars, and I had to re-insert his eye when I found him. He just had 3 kittens and is a loving father, it's bizarre how loving a dad he is, communism comrad

Alal Alal

Not "any demands", this started due to the vaccine mandate for cross border travel, which is valid to criticize even if you hate everything else about the protest. And as for health care--no, it's no a slippery slope, look at what Occupy Democrats is putting out if you want an example. I hope you realize that if you believe they shouldn't be denied healthcare, then you're in opposition to even the implicit attitudes of this show, which has never brought up the denial of healthcare to the unvaccinated.

justdave

Imagine the infinite colors of the universe, how do you know the nature of reality, by definition it is a personal experience, you nazi

justdave

All you can do is ease yours and others into the next state of being, through violence and ego, or understanding and respect, you ugly pissant fuk

justdave

Apparently diego has been elected chairman meow and has declared war on the Xi government, America, and the international nazi underground

justdave

Good poetry, bad poetry, it's all bullshit, your going to die big guy, Der toten taten or whatever

justdave

It so cool always being smarter than nazis

justdave

Settle down nazi

V

Not to mention that they are actually hurting workers. Whether the retail workers in Ottawa that have had to deal with closures caused by the occupiers and truckers who are trying to move products to Canada.

justdave

The joke was that he declared war on the anti revolutionary Xi government, which has turned its back on Marx and the global revolution

justdave

I'm not trans and my cok is a sledgehammer, I just don't care what you do with yours

V

They are not a working class movement are actually hurting the working class Canadians in Ottawa an truckers who do cross the border. If they are doing it for us, then they have done nothing more than hurt us and go an a freaking power trip

justdave

Diego is named for Diego Velasquez, a Spanish painter (with the same mustache)

justdave

I'm 6'1 blonde and have been a communist my entire life

V

Also worth mentioning that they are wayyyyyyy to obsessed with Trudeau.

justdave

So is Christianity

Hector Jaime

The show doesn’t bring up a lot of things; that doesn’t mean they think healthcare should be denied to the unvaccinated. Where doe you jump to that conclusion from? It’s fair to question the mandate, but I think it’s more fair to support it given the public health crisis. See the link below about south Asian truckers worried about catching covid and spreading it to their families. I get it’s tempting to think this is some sort of worker rebellion. The state of things is such shit that anything resembling worker dissatisfaction can be seen as an opening. But the convoy by and large is not a worker protest. https://readpassage.com/p/the-trucker-convoy-is-not-a-workers-revolt/

justdave

No, Christianity is cool

justdave

And I've never lost a fight in my entire life you fake ass 'maoist'

justdave

Mao fought for love

V

Congrats to Chris on the Youtube award!

Hector Jaime

Furthermore, I don’t think Occupy Democrats is a good prediction of what will actually happen. Yes, occupy democrats have a lot of pull. Sure. But it seems like your pet cause is opposition to vaccine mandates, and you are surprised that a socialist podcast would not join you in loudly supporting what is really ye ol’ libertarian plea for freedom from all social obligation. Sounds good.

Null_null

Thanks for remembering my name, sweetie :*

PKLR

you mean the part where they characterize the current crisis as something "that happens every year" ? the same part where they compare ex-Soviet territories to Manhattan's neighborhoods? yeah totally accurate representation and "true", as you say, not at all ignorant of context and facts. there's simplification for the sake of telling a good joke/story, and I get that, but this is hilariously incorrect in so many ways.

Hector Jaime

Yesss!! That’s what I’m taking about. ☭ 🎉

Krzysztof Bogusz

Damn, another terminally dumb and xenophobic take on the Eastern European countries from the boys, painting all of us as racist. And what about excusing Russian imperialism and saying that it’s ‘normal’? Fuck you. When did the US have a Jewish non-English-speaking president elected by over 70% of the population, huh? Until then, just shut the fuck up.

Evan Scott

damn not speaking english in a non-english speaking country is really the peak of diversity and inclusion

justdave

Comrad, you are the one that can't handle reality, manufactured, or completely natural act of the cosmos, Trans people exist, I can see, touch and hear them, to me, they are real

justdave

Actually cracks neck and knuckles* - you need much work comrad Alejandro

Eric Murphy

A working class movement is not an end in itself but a tactic to make good things happen. Letting Nazis spread disease more easily to the vulnerable of our society is not a good thing

Andy Cassidy

Thanks for the laughs fellas, peace 🙏🏼

Zack Burke

If Russia was gonna invade, they'd have done it during the opening kickoff in the superbowl.

Alal Alal

Actually the ones embracing horseshoe theory are typically the same as those calling Dore (or anyone who is just against vax mandates) a right winger

Alal Alal

Requiring vaccination is a pet cause that is boutique to the left as of the last two years. No, I don't expect them (or any other leftist commentator) to agree with me, nor did I stop following anyone who I disagree with on this. But as a group that came up in a paychotic moment when a portion of the right was losing its mind in eagerness for trump, I would hope that xhapo could now have some place to comment on this psychotic moment occurring for some in the left--because a lot of it seems to go entirely unchallenged, like the idea of concentration camps for the unvaccinated, denial of medical care, or the vaccine passports that our tech giants are enabling other governments to force on their people. Occupy Democrats, while probably being astroturf to some degree, is not an isolated voice on this. It's a good thing for Chapo that the vaccine passports didn't pan out in this country, because they didn't challenge them in any capacity despite being an awful and discriminatory idea that the ACLU was even against until very recently. I look to chapo to say RAKA motherfuckers! rather than acquiesce to mainstream sentiment. They also regurgitated takes on ivermectin that were mainstream misinformation ("it's only for animals"), and the jokes were low laying fruit anyway.

Hector Jaime

Woo hoo! Every single anti-vaxx right wing misinformation campaign in one little list including “concentration camps” a La Russel Brand. You’ve convinced me; I’m buying a rig and driving to Ottawa tomorrow!

Andrew Hale

Confused why they brought up that LA Times article, it’s from 2017 not 2022

Adam

song name please

Shauna Seroquel

omg thank you for letting me not be that bitch! 😹😻

hotspur

yeah what is the name of that song, is it off the new wolf parade album?

Greg Forsyth

This would be an interesting take if Canada's trucking industry was actually shut down by these protests or even supported them, buts it not because the subset participating represent at best 1-2% of the truckers on the road and thats being extremely generous.

teacup

Can't find it with Shazam or by searching the lyrics :(

ghajepkre

Definitely Wolf Parade but unreleased. My money is on it being titled “doing it for free”

TangiePower

Trucker convoy is some of the most obvious TEA Party-tier oligarch astroturf in a while. Any self-described leftist getting suckered by this should be embarrassed.

Clarp Blarpkiss

that's the opposite of what chapo is saying. They said not to do that.

Hector Jaime

Chapo said the opposite of what? I’ve never met whom? I live where? My stance on plundering is huh? I feel like I’m losing my mind.

Michael S. Judge

Sometime around 2004, I was hired to play lead guitar on a country-rock record; the studio was semi-legally built in an empty corner of a shut-down warehouse near the riverfront, and there were no lights in the bathroom, so you had to be careful not to piss on the mains transformer. I had the pleasure of borrowing 1965 Fender Bassman on that album, the loudest clean amp I've ever heard in my life, and the whole thing was recorded, by god, on the same mixing desk used to make C.W. McCall's "Convoy."

Maxh

literally did the same two things. I have not listened to them in forever but love this song that i cannot find.

Kevin Boyle

Hiyo from the future here: thank god the British realized that Liz Truss was a twits twit and never gave her *more* authority, definitely not the highest political office or anything.