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Will and Chris talk to DEVO’s Jerry Casale about all things de-evolution, including state violence, punk rock, media, advertising, record industry hacks, Ohio, freaking out your audience, and whether or not humanity can escape de-evolution, or if we’re doomed to repeat until we fail.

Check out the new vinyl release of Jerry’s solo LP:  https://www.geraldvcasale.com/products/12-inch-lp-gatefold-red-vinyl?variant=42652243525819

And the video for the I’m Gonna Pay You Back single mentioned in the interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kv2UMoynOw

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Shfifty_five

From the future. If you haven't, you should check out the TrueAnon episode about Peter Laughner (pre-Modern Dance Pere Ubu) and the Cleveland music scene.

Shfifty_five

Yeah, the New Left were Marxists in name only. Most were idealistic bourgeoisie students who read little theory and never developed class consciousness. It's illuminating that state repression during that time was not related to the legality of a group's actions. It was solely determined by the efficacy and revolutionary potential of said movement. The original SDS and the violent and deadly Weather Underground were left alone. The New Left wasn't a target. The Black Panther Party, which practiced diciplined class struggle, was surveilled, infiltrated, and sabatoged. Members were intimidated, jailed, or just assassinated. Leaders of the party were killed, locked up, or made to flee.

Shfifty_five

Nah, dude's annoying but pesto slander is unacceptable.

Matt James Rich

Ah ha! Glad it was anybody at all but assumed you guys had interview Roger Waters.

Angleton

I had forgotten that he was at Kent State when the National Guard opened fire.

etienne

🎵 Mongoloid, mongloid, he was a mongoloid, happier than you and me 🎶 🎶 And he wore a hat, and he had a job, and he brought home the bacon, so that no knew 🎵 🎶 he was a mongoloid, no one even cared 🎵

woof dog

jerry was on campus when kent state happened???? FUCK

glenn mohre

<3 the Casale bros. Still hoping for DevoLand

James Roche

Evey Chapo guest of this era has been a guy with almost the exact same voice and cadence.

barry

Hell yes boys

Maxkrause817

Just what I wanted: an interview with some shitty musician no one has ever heard of

Ryan Bunnell

Devo CD’s and tons of cheap acid got me through some of the roughest stretches of teenagerhood

Haenyeo

Devo! Holy shit

Yairo Martis

Chris, you absolute fucking King. Thank you, and congratulations to Molly and you.

sir peepus

congrats Chris! oh and on the wedding too

John Harwood

This is the worst comment I’ve come across on the internet.

CJ

Man, I fuckin love Chris

John Harwood

The only bummer is that it wasn’t Devi on cassette, which you had to “rewind,” but I am just being an old guy remembering that technology and staying mad at CDs.

Ben M

it is a little funny to hear him talk about coming to the realization that america is an evil scam and then shortly later go off about trump singlehandedly ruining decency and the rule of law or whatever

Aram Fingal

Chris’s influence on this show fucking sucks wow sad

AbeLinkin

Yeah every dog has its day and idk if he caught the train on this one.

AbeLinkin

Devo guy revealed a bit of lib-brain on modern politics w/ his take on Trump/Biden/Russia/NATO

Ben M

Oh well, dude gets a lifetime pass for Be Stiff alone

Basil

Cringe. Lol imagine stanning a natoid extremist You folks are acting like this is even in the same orbit as Stone or Blagojevich

Basil

A redditor I see

momilli

but then it's also kind of on-brand for Devo to embrace #resistance iconography and lexicon (don't know what Mothersbaugh is saying or doing post COVID though)

Suckinonachilidawg

Chris has redeemed himself in my eyes with this episode. Devo are American heroes.

Daniel White

This fella doesn't have a contextualized or historical view about humanity and human nature. Matt always brings up historical materialism, could use that here.

riley bowers

It’s my birthday fucking perfect way to start listening to satisfaction now

riley bowers

If you are talking about the part I’m thinking sounded very tongue in cheek watching kids get murdered in Kent state is not something you bounce back from cause a guy like Obama lol

Eric

Oh man, I fuckin love DEVO. This is so dope. It kind of terrifies me sometimes how much my own pop culture sensibilities overlap with this podcast. Stop reading my mind, Chapos!

THEKILLERWHALE

Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah ye yeah!

Rollo Tomassi

First Stone now this? You're the nerd whisperers

ggmacd

Good interview, good band, good lesson in the blindspots of New Left boomers.

Dan Powell

Great interview! Are we not men?!

Alex “WORLDWIDE” Kellar

One of my favorite things said about Devo is by Dave Thomas of Pere Ubu, who said something like “I don’t like Devo because I like passion”. I don’t quite agree with the sentiment but I wholeheartedly support Cleveland music’s greatest trait: venomous shit-talk and haterism

etienne

no its competition for who hates the show most

Harry

Eps like this make me miss Brendan.

John Barrett

Have Robert Pollard on to give us the “dumb guy” version of this

William

If I even thought of labeling something as "cringe" I'd just detonate the vest immediately and kill myself

Basil

Ok

William

Good thing they're doing what they want and not whatever the fuck it is you think is cool

Aaron Baer

I miss your mom; she busy tonight pal?

Harry

Nah she killed herself after she got bad dick from some loser

blackFFillip

Great interview subject, Jerry carried it

etienne

I need more silly art rock bands. KLF? TISM? Talking Heads? Oingo Boingo? I need that authentic Penis Music. Pop Will Eat Itself? Ned's Atomic Dustbin? need the weird shit

justdave

My father also believed 'satisfaction' was the best cover of all time, he would tell this story about losing a really great job in mathematics because he had to sit in his car as a 20 yr old kid and listen to the song and was late

realm lich

jesus man, he's a person.

Shauna Seroquel

OMG I was literally just daydreaming about some kinda KLF-Chapo axis

raychilldolezal

Comment section particularly insane for this one so you know it's good

Kerri

I would like more politics with my pop culture slop please, Mr Chapo

Aaron Baer

She killed herself because YOU'RE a loser .... Take a hint and finish the job ... We're better off without your contribution to the gene pool. Someone's I would counsel her, but she had some unreasonable hope that you could evolve from the comment section dwelling troll that you are. I'll miss her all the same friend.

aRubes

Wonderful, more please

Daniel White

Wow, Karl Marx? ;) Doesn't matter, how could it, so why will I say it, but the whole frame of devolution is missing a puzzle piece that, in my humble opinion, a visit to the likes of a Terence McKenna would have provided.

Scott

I think he sounds nice

Scott

The Residents

Torgosaves

♪ We're through being cool We're through being cool Eliminate the ninnies and the twits Going to bang some heads Going to beat some butts Time to show those evil spuds what's what

etienne

I really love the KLF but one thing I have to fault them for, is "deleting" their back catalogue back when they retired in the 90's but not making it properly public domain. Now you can get blocker copyright strikes on a 35 year old track by the Kopyright Liberation Front.

Merkaba Rob

I wanna be in Devo: The Next Generation! I can definitely do it, I'm a huge music nerd with about an album's worth of decaying material

Nick Perri

Thought Devo was just a goofy one hit wonder until I heard Gut Feeling and some of their covers and realized they rock. Also, really like Mothersbaugh’s soundtrack work. Glad to get a little more origin story.

B2B Commuter

God bless the internet. For all of its flaws, you have to admit that it helped to end the type of media hegemony that had, as Jerry said, a majority of Americans post Kent State thinking that the national guard should have killed more students. Now of days that’s only a plurality.

etienne

you listen to a pod where one guy is constantly bellowing into a mic that's clipping, one that's plugged in with a audio jack that's disintegrating, and one that's 2 meters away from his mic and spitting out keyboard and vape noises and then the guy with the buttery smooth baritone and the studio quality sound is the one you don't like?

justdave

Timbuk3, they're great, my favorite is 'facts about cats'

Michael Barbarich

You sound like a worthless zoomer. Can't fucking wait for Brandon to reinstate the draft and watch your generation get pasted in Ukraine

Michael Barbarich

You're named after the shittiest herb, therefore your opinion is fake and gay.

ScottB

Really enjoyed this, congratulations on your wedding day Chris!

C. Ries

The idea that humanity is degenerating because of civilization or that “human nature” inevitably leads to a cycle of prosperity and decline are at their core conservative assumptions

Basil

Ok

Adam Urato

Michael maybe take a posting break buddy

Michael Barbarich

While Jerry might be old and his opinions on politics may not be what you think they should be , the worthless zoomers crying about this episode can suck my black lab/bloodhound mix's dick. Y'all trying to pretend that Blago is Fred Hampton while shitting on one of the most subversive artists of the 20th century is making me despise y'all cosplay revolutionary barista-ass bitches. Choke on Harry's red rocket.

S Agsar

Mike Watt pls

Scott Gunsaullus

Bret Easton Ellis had this guy almost 2 years ago. Same topic. Solid 90+ minutes. Thanks for the hash! Slop, slop!

William

Is that what you got from it? Because he very accurately described what happened. Trump ruined the liberal facade of "rule of law" and "decency" and all the shit people who made and watch the west wing believe. At no point did I think he was saying HE believed it, just that Trump came out and called the liberals bluff and liberals have no answer for it

William

Damn. Sucks to feel so lonely all the time doesn't it?

William

Looks like you didn't get the hint - I think you should kill yourself

Basil

Ok

David Lyttle

Wtf are ‘birds aren’t real’ radical normies? I seriously have no idea what that means. God damn kids…

John Harwood

It’s fun to see who hasn’t ever read Marx, Lenin, or Mao. Really fun.

Huge Logo

Great interview - confused as to why an audience open to seeing Sun Ra would not also be okay with Devo? I wonder how that Sun Ra set went…

SF

And they're all cool.

C. Ries

Reading is gay

SF

Nah, you're just reading what he said in the most uncharitable way possible cuz you're an annoying Chapo reply guy. This happens every time they have an interview episode lol.

SF

Go out the house and get a hobby.

SF

Every time Chapo does an interview ep with a great artist the dumb reply guys in these comments get really mad about it

Basil

Ok

Mark Schneider

It's up there with The Flying Lizards' cover of Money (That's What I Want)-- great art made from a different side of the Spectrum

etienne

the thing with Ohio is that people don't realize it's the 7th most populous state in the US. When people say "oh I'm from NYC/Chicago/California/Florida/Texas/Philly" people don't bat an eye because all those places have something obviously going on but when people say they're from *ohio* it just doesn't compute. Isn't there just nothing in Ohio? Nope. Huge number of people yet no big center of mass city or region for people to get a handle on the concept of Ohio. But it's just statistically normal that a certain number of music bands come from there

Mark Schneider

Anyone who survived growing up in the shitehole of 1970s Ohio with any wit or attitude left has my respect. I lived in Northern Illinois & it was often backward & vapid, but no way it was as stupid, grimy and retrograde as Ohio, the wonderful state that supposedly voted for the "winner in every modern Presidential election" (that enuf says plenty)

Virgil Texas

great episode and I really like Chris' interview and voice despite the haters. and devo rules. jerry is cute as hell. idk if there needs to be a next gen devo though... especially when there are already lots of cool younger artists out there that take a note from devo but are still doing their own thing. when it comes to that spirit of "conceptual purity" , its not lacking in our generation... its there but you have to seek it out. carrying on devo's brand and making a "new gen devo" negates that idea and i think takes a way from any new emerging voice.. our gen is stuck in a nostalgia spiral.. we are constantly looking to artists of the past for answers and not propping up the voices of our time... i think that all ties into that idea of "legacy protection" - a keen obeservation that never really occured to me until i listened to chapo! and to me, legacy protection takes the form of many things whether it be out of touch dinosaur politicians or the latest stupid star wars thing disney churned out .... im tired of perpetuating older brands and re boots and sequels.... no second gen devo project in my opinion. their sound and persona was born out of #resistance and that is so cool in and of itself... a band born out of sheer fandom is not . that said the 'cool greenhouse' is cute and cheeky and worth checking out if you like devo

Sifl

I grew up with Devo. I heard Whip It in 1980 and found Are We Not Men? at the local library. I saw them in concert in 1983 when the first did the video screens. I still have my energy dome. Back then, in the post-disco era, pop music was basically divided up between top 40 and hard rock (AC/DC, Black Sabbath, etc.). The popular kids listened to top 40, had great hair like Simon Le Bon and were destined to become the capitalists of tomorrow. I liked hard rock, but the hard rock scene was basically nihilist. They new everything sucked but didn't give a shit and just wanted to get drunk/high. Devo was the band for all the kids who saw the rising corporatist world of the Reagan revolution and knew that it was bullshit and wanted to fight back.

tryvlnt

If I wanted to hear an interview with a Boomer libtard whining about Russia I’d subscribe to Pod Save America!

Yeahman

Where should I start with devo?

etienne

Are We Not Men

SF

He spent 10 seconds max talking about Putin. Are you guys capable of having conversations with people in the real world who are not plugged into left twitter 24/7?

Virgil Texas

also devo is great but give us more big bopper

god listens

You can pretty much move sequentially thru their discography if you like 80’s new wave

god listens

KENT STATE / AKRON BABY RUBBER CITY NOISE LET’s GOOOOOOO

Yeahman

We love Chris Wade here and if you got a problem about it I'll fuckin suck you off buddy

AKorgar

hog ranching is a tough job

Robert Miles

has anyone noticed that this comment section is almost as gay as the cum town comment section? and not the cool gay where everyone’s sucking and fucking each other, the annoying gay where no one is sucking or fucking each other

Benjamin

Really just perpetuating the hard libtard boomer stereotype. “Shit was real back in my day! we are the best, y’all can suck it! oh and by the way, even though I talk like I’m a shitty anarchist, I actually j support NATO imperialism because Russia bad”. I don’t care if your in band, your not special, your a fucking loser. Also there where so many other good and radically different artist working at that time, the fact he only named Bowie says a lot about his bloviated sense of self worth.

寿帝武

2017 Chapo would have told me Devo was bad because they didn't fix politics. Also, shit music.

SF

Lots of epic gritties in the comment section.

SF

You seem insane.

寿帝武

I hope I learn about the Demorepublican party

Buttfarts

Holy shit I've never looked at the comment section before and never will again. The podcast is fine, but many Chapo fans are deranged little fuckwits

Jameson .

Not you and me though right pal

Buttfarts

Their rendition of "satisfaction" is amazing

Virgil Texas

i will check them out!!! thank you

William

Damn. Don't be such a crybaby dude it's embarrassing

William

A lot of people didn't pay to see cunts complaining on the release of every episode but here we are

Jonathan lees

Serious art take it from a 11 year old in 1980 it did seep through even then

Jonathan lees

Get into modern history power dynamics

Adam

I just subscribed after only watching what I thought were random episodes on youtube thinking there were probably a lot I missed, turns out I have seen basically every episode lol. The dudes who pull off here and upload to youtube are so dedicated.

bruce

My grandpa was a guardsman in Cbus at the time of the Kent shooting and almost got deployed there. His verdict: "I would have shot all of them, they were burning shit" lol

Dan Baggar

are you 12 years old?

Scott

Really interesting and enjoyable interview. I came away from it thinking that Devo were/are accelerationists avant la lettre

Andrew Cross

TISM are making a comeback, maybe boonta vista could do something there

Darius Arian

Stunning and brave, Mr. Buttfarts

Dez Martin

the guy who helped make the Swiffer commercial jingle YESSSSS

Dez Martin

I'm not judging them. Tim and Eric have done mattress commercials that I love it's all good

Jesse Smith

The Dry Boys never cease to amaze me with the interviews they manage to arrange.

Logan

Someone should call animal control

Retrospecter

Has he heard of Polysics? They’re like a Japanese DEVO cover band of their own, I’m curious how they’d stand up to the man himself. Though it’s hard to really draw a line between critique and pastiche of critique anymore when everything is absorbed

Greg Broom

Umm…Foghat is good.

Rxk Lenderman

As soon as I saw that this was a musician interview I went straight to the comments to see the absolute meltdown some people have because they didn’t get their weekly riffs n bits fix.

calvin kilby

That's not the point dumb dumb

My Name

awesome interview

I am become reply guy

This was one of the best episodes in a while why are so many people complaining?

AbeLinkin

Benjamin is right

Elliot Matheny

Chris has very little swag but does know some cool stuff

Elliot Matheny

Plus, swiffer is a god tier cleaning and dusting product line, we stan

Elliot Matheny

Yeah Casales casually suggesting that America should directly intervene in the Ukraine conflict was Devo

CS

Let's be real: outside of Chris (and I'm being a bit generous), the Dry Boys really don't know enough about music to even do an honest interview with a renowned musician. They don't write, record, or play music; they don't have broad enough tastes to properly talk about music; and they tend to only nod along with their musical guests. I feel like I would've loved this episode if there were more pointed and substantive questions.

CS

It isn't an especially good interview. That's the problem. It feels like an Xer nostalgia trip and no one in Chapo is even an Xer.

CS

Start with a band with a much more lasting sound.

CS

Only because this interview is pretty shallow

Elliot Matheny

This one was fairly successful, since Casales is essentially a based lib. But yeah, I doubt a chapo interview of Philip Glass or Wynton Marsalis would be particularly compelling

Kerri

Chris has his own pod about music though that isn't CTH

Hudson

If you've come here for hard-hitting interviews of musicians, safe to say you're totally in the wrong theater. This is political waxing culture war talk show, get a grip guys.

SF

The epic gritties get extremely mad every time there's an artist interview on the pod. It's a law of nature.

etienne

there's this form of media called "magazines". not a lot of people know about them but I think that fills the niche of what you're saying you want in terms of content. Hope this helps!

The Children of Jack Acid

The dusters get an A for "accessing hard-to-reach areas under the stairs or whatever." But they are just TOO disposable. Each time you swipe one across the top of a shelf, it automatically looks as dusty as a vacuum cleaner filter that hasn't been changed in years. And unlike a feather duster, you can't shake the dust OUT and reuse it over and over again. And Swiffer mops are TERRIBLE! No matter how well I sweep beforehand, there's always lint stuck in all the corners of whatever room I just Swiffered. And the Swiffer mops that spit cleaning solution on the floor as you mop are just a WEE bit too sticky. And so in addition to even more lint, your floor will look stomped-on again within 24 hours as everyone's shoe dirt sticks to the stickiness. And what's CRAZY is that now that they're here, I can't seem to avoid using them entirely. They're shittier than a real mop, but they're also faster than a real mop. It actually confuses the HELL out of me. Because theoretically my life MUST have been worse before they came along, or I wouldn't be Swiffering now, right? Now, I wasn't taking notes at the time (I was trying to spend all my weekends in the desert doing shrooms like a good little L.A. cowboy). But probably if I went back in time before I adopted Swiffer technology and looked at my apartment, I would probably see that my top shelf didn't even GET dusted, ever. And my bathroom floor would have pee on it rather than merely lint. So perhaps Swiffer did improve SOME things. Marginally. But still... it's like Swiffer came along and somehow made cleaning up the home a Faustian bargain. Except instead of paying with our souls, we pay with landfills that will be stuffed to the BRIM with shitty plastic-y paper-y Swiffer GOO for the next couple MILLENNIA--and little pig-in-a-blanket rolls of lint staring at us from across the bathroom floor every time we take a shit.

Baron

Absolutely agree, there’s a deep cynicism coming off here that seems like it could only exist in the generation of New Left radicals. Idk it seems like people like this saw their experiment crumble, and just went, “if ours didn’t work, nothing else can either.”

etienne

genxers just do be like that

Elliot Matheny

Yeah that’s a very fair point. There is a solution to the waste problem, though - fill all of the empty plastic bottles in the pacific garbage patch with used swiffers, giving them some much needed density. Once the garbage patch has sunk to the ocean floor, it can be built up over a period of decades, until a new landfill continent arises - trashlandia. That shall be the land of the new millennium, the great new frontier, and perhaps a land in which we could finally achieve utopian socialism.

CS

i've been reading music mags my whole life and i'm a sucker because they've sucked the whole time.

SF

nah he seems pretty good overall

Adam Outrage

This is the first time I’ve ever heard punk described as being “anti-intellectual “. I guess they never heard of The Clash.

James Camp Fortson

Johnny Lydon had a pretty smart ass coment about The Clash being Marxism with a catchy melody.

Adam Outrage

True, he did bring an unfortunate reactionary element into punk.

Noah Mingus

Wonderful interview. What a guest! Thanks Chapo, you r cool