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642 - The Dinner Party (7/5/22) (Patreon)

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2022-07-06 04:12:37
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2026-06

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We hope everyone had a nice holiday weekend. After last week’s coverage of the politics of the Roe reversal, we now move on to taking a look at the media, because boy is the consent manufacturing machine whirring into gear. Will looks at a trio of pieces from the New York Times that appear to be buttering up the readership to place the blame squarely on those least responsible, plus time well-spent on a profile of the most annoying people on Earth!

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Aiden Nicol

Something wrong I hold my head Virgil gone My slop is fed

caroline

how many plants do you have

Bobi Jon-son Kenobi

@caroline Not my plants, but I gotta water 13 planters every other day—usually takes 1.5 hours

Brian Long

Tiktok isn’t *not* to “blame” - I think tiktok does a great job for some millennials and for sure Gen Z to realize something older generations haven’t - you can hold politicians accountable and call them on their shit. What remains to be seen is how nihilistic Gen Z is, and if they turn out to vote for Dems regardless. (Then again, this could just be my experience on tiktok and how the algorithm works for me.)

October

Which one of our boys convinced SF BART to hire falconers for their pigeon problem?

Nathan Weed

It took Will just one trial to learn to pronounce "Solveig" correctly, but he'll never stop referring to the anti-abortion crowd as "pro-life" unless someone sits him down with photos of bosomy women as a teaching aid.

Ellen Harold

Surgery for an ectopic pregnancy is not by any means just the same as delivering a baby, or abortion. I don't understand how people can be so ignorant. Usually surgery for an ectopic pregnancy involves removal of the fallopian tube by cutting it with a surgical knife, with the zygote or clump of cells inside it. In delivery of a baby there is on the contrary no cutting. The mother pushes the baby out. Why can't people (and newspaper editors) learn the absolute basics of female reproductive anatomy. Don't they learn anything in school? In a safe abortion there is no also cutting -- the uterus is hydrated to make it firm, and the fetus and placenta are scraped out without cutting or piercing -- it is the accidental piercing of a soft uterus through to the intestine that causes infection and peritonitis and agonizing death in an unsafe abortion. The fetus can also be removed by suction, as far as I know.

Brian Long

Yeesh. That Richmond quote is so fucking out of touch. Amazing.

William Beamish

nobody cares that he calls it "pro life" everyone knows what that means; consider the audience lmao

Frances Mary

Thank you. OR nurse & abortion clinic nurse here, came by to yell about the same fucking thing. The astounding level of willful ignorance that allows someone to use the term "deliver" in relation to ectopic pregnancy is utterly mindblowing.

Andrew Carmichael

I mean, you’ll get no quarrel from me. But this doesn’t really seem like the absolute basics. Thanks for letting me know.

Sean Carton

The existence of said book argues that she seems to have been obsessed w old male Princeton professors since childhood. I hate to be one of those 🤔people but 🤔

Colin Helpio

That last article was just miserable

Olen Koira

Felix quoting Vince Mancini

Alexandr

Does anyone care at this point what terminology is used to address the theocratic fash trash

Trout Mask Original

The still from the Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie is just *chef's kiss*. If only there were a way to produce a mash-up between that scene and Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf.

Isaac Jones

(Guy trying to farm likes in Chapo Patreon comments:) is this Virgil Texas on the Adam Friedland show

Isaac Jones

(through clenched teeth, visibly pale and sweating) also I'm gay

Charvis Blutchard

Crazy how he’s dooming the world and causing harm on an unimaginable scale via small vocabulary choices most people don’t even notice and are irrelevant to the substance of what he’s saying. Hold him accountable king

Alexandr

[stavbot] Me too! :)

Alexandr

Liiiiive in ignorance And purchase your happiness When blood and sweat is the real cost Thinking ceases, the truth is lost

aKg

Total speculation here, as I’m not a Tikkle Tokie user, but from what every friend on the app has told me, the algorithm keeps content pretty compartmentalized so that you see what you want and don’t see what you don’t want so I end up thinking that a lot of the posts attempting to hold leaders accountable don’t end up being seen by any one that isn’t already on board.

Dyyyyylan

Who taught Will up talking?

KatrinaJadeHelm

Follow debdrens on twitter so you too can have the phrase “daffy broad” rattling around your head as you record your podcast

William

Just a reminder that the new York times is the paper that told abolitionists to stop badgering southern slave owners and declared that they agreed with Mr. King 's message but not how he was going about protesting

William

Oh shit, you're back again to whine like a fucking baby again. Cancel your subscription already ya dumb fuck

sir peepus

this guy’s last name is weed lol

Mike B

A Rude Awakening Is Ahead for Young Employees A recession will hand the bargaining power to their bosses. Workers of a certain age and attitude will have to reckon with the coming recession. Rising inflation and a market downturn guarantee layoffs. The days of expecting employers to be grateful for your application will be gone soon. People who started work in the past dozen years are about to experience their first tough job market. Younger employees—not all, but many—will need to make more realistic demands of the workplace. The last recession ended in mid-2009 with unemployment at 9.5%, about 2.5 times what it is today. Anyone who finished college since 2010 has known mostly good times in the job market. The same is true of many who entered the workforce directly from high school. There was competition, but it was for employees rather than jobs. Workers’ expectations changed, along with their willingness to do hard work. A hot job market gave employees an unrealistic sense of their irreplaceability. At our call centers, absenteeism and attrition climbed. We found less loyalty among technical staffers, who often jumped employers for a slight increase in salary or a change of scenery. We couldn’t find the committed workers we needed here, so we looked offshore. Today, 70 people work for us in Bangalore, India, and there will be more than 120 by the end of the year. We’ve found the same level of talent as in the U.S., but with turnover this year of less than 5%. And by reducing labor cost, the shift allowed us to reward motivated U.S. employees with more money. A motivated employee is willing to come into the office. This requirement runs contrary to the postpandemic work-at-home revolt, but it creates the best experience for the patients we serve, boosts team morale, and helps our employees develop professionally. I don’t mean to sound like a curmudgeon. As a father of two young adults with strong work ethics, I know there are plenty of wonderful young employees out there. Still, fellow CEOs often tell me how hard it is to recruit and retain employees who want to learn and grow on the job and then stay long-term. Job security will again take precedence over job hopping. Surging prices and a wave of layoffs would give younger workers a newfound appreciation for their paychecks. Workers will feel fortunate to commit to a company and think about moving up rather than moving on. They’ll think more about what they can do to improve the customer experience and less about what they don’t feel like doing. A recession will be a rough way to learn this important lesson, but employees and employers will be better for it. Mr. Greenleaf is president and CEO of Modivcare, a healthcare services company based in Colorado.

Mike Mariano

I should know this but was that Bruce Hornsby or Marc Cohn or somebody completely different at 19:13?

Clean Shirt Piggie

What about the anti-choice fed judge in KY that Sleepy Joe agreed to nominate on the day Dobbs was issued because Mitch threatened to give him a swirly

Nathan Weed

Okay, okay, you win. I retract my very serious suggestion that someone sit Will down with photos of bazooms to help him learn not to say "pro life." Jeez, you'd think a guy named Weed would get a little slack on a Chapo board.

Friend of Pangolin

As a woman who is educated, but not in any medical procedures beyond basic first aid, what you are explaining is not the absolute basics of female anatomy. You have to attend some kind of medical school to casually know what you wrote above. But thank you for explaining that.

Mark Schneider

His dad did write for (& or edit) the New Yorker, so an affectation has to be picked up somewhere or the other.

JN

It's the Will and Grace theme song and it's written by the guy who wrote the Seinfeld theme song (and many, many others).

blackFFillip

that would explain the stutter

T.A. Martin

Maybe it's because I'm old, but in the wake of Roe v. Wade's reversal, I notice a lot of my Dem friends trying to re-litigate 2016 like all this is Bernie's fault somehow? Has anyone else experienced this?

Quincy Markowitz

Will killed it. From a trans fan, thank you! I forgive you for letting Amber talk.

Damen Irving

Imagine all the disaffected people when you add a back-breaking recession on top of all the other bullshit.

CoatCheckDream

Am I a college addict if I still post on college football message boards. It's the only reason I went to college to begin with, discounted student tickets.

etienne

technically the Columbine guys were millenials

I am become reply guy

It’s astonishing how incapable we Americans are at identifying power and its effect on our lives, like a senator is just another poster and a billions backed legal hegemony is the same as a hashtag. Everything in our lives has been flattened, action is just consumption.

Isaac Jones

It's because Trump filled 3 seats in the term that they are convinced Bernie and his supporters kept Hillary from filling as if McConnell would've ever allowed that shit

Lexe

What does that even mean?

Ernest Ambrus

Amber is worth Chapo losing 85% of subs

Ryan Gullage

Judy Chicago takes a state of exception.

Alexandr

Is there a reason you guys won't get your goddamn levels under control so I can listen to an episode without Will clipping every word

Ryan Gullage

Chris can’t conduct a train.

james

Can’t their critique of the pregnant women who lost her baby be like exactly applied to transgender acceptance? kowtowing to an extreme minority’s head cannon, etc..

etienne

amber going "ahh excuse me but this is a Wamyns issue": irredeemable hollerings of a deranged hag will going: "i guess the 'persons of the birthing' stuff is kinda loopy": based; excellent work

Lexe

Yeah, it's way better having 3 men talk about women's issues. Unless you're a woman (the "cool girls" excluded, of course).

Ellen Harold

It seems basic to me because in my freshman year of high school (9th grade) when I was thirteen & fourteen, we devoted a week to this -- with charts and 3d plaster models. So it is not the result of medical education but of elementary sexual biology. (Then later there was Our Bodies, Our Selves, an illustrated book geared to a popular audience which I think has been revised many times). (We had biology again in senior year, IIRC, which covered the same ground but more in passing. These high school courses didn't cover abortion, but they did cover conception & fetal development, making it more comprehensible later on. It did seem rather clinical at the time, but it may be better than what came after for my own children which was a lot of scare tactics about aids. Of course my recollection is a bit fuzzy after many decades. But there is always the internet if anyone wants to refresh their knowledge, which I just did. So to recap: The zygote is a one-celled organism comprised of the egg and sperm. As it starts to divide the zygote becomes a many-celled lump now called a Blastocyst. It is as a Blastocyst that it travels down the fallopian tube to implant in the uterus, which is soft and full of blood vessels inside. Apparently, hard as it is to believe, in one in fifty pregnancies, the blastocyst fails to make the trip and implants in the fallopian tube instead of the womb. When this happens the growing lump can cause the tube to burst, a potentially rapidly fatal medical emergency. The pregnancy, incidentally, is counted from the date of the last period before fertilization (usually two weeks), in about the eleventh week of implantation (i.e., the ninth week of pregnancy), the blastocyst will have developed to the point that it has rudimentary nerves and organs and is now termed a fetus. Eleven weeks is about the third month of pregnancy, This is why medical tradition considerers pregnancy in terms of trimesters (roughly) as was recognized in Roe vs Wade, although the time of fetal viability has now been pushed back somewhat by modern medical technology from what I guess used to be the sixth month.

etienne

they were fans of Doom, Marilyn Manson and ran a Quake server which is exactly the '98 equivalent of being a '22 soundcloud vaporwave rapper

Lexe

Maybe you could find something a little fresher, to dislike them for?

David Heslin

It’s actually from The Phantom of Liberty. Both films are fucking hilarious.

William

You mean like supporting the false reporting that led to the iraq war?

Marcus

Pregnancy+ Same old pregnancy, minus the baby!

etienne

yeah I was there in 2011-2012 when they called facebook a great democratic revolution and pinned the arab springs revolts on social media

Gulb

Correction: In the Coinstar analogy, the abortion doctor would put coins in and get the bills out.

Of course

I love the reviews from the christianbook website: "The theology in this book is not Biblical. I was very disappointed with it. Even though I only paid $1 for it, it was a waste of money." "I'm glad I did not pay much for this book. It is boring. And the theology is Catholic."

Thom

excuse me I'm going to need this stricken from the historical record. Someone help me make mock ups of them with soul patches unbuttoned plaid shirts and spin doctors CDs

Emily tatham harrington

Ty for the misoprostol clarification but I do think it’s worth noting that a blood/urine sample of a recently pregnant woman will show for a while that she was recently pregnant so concerns abt a nurse or doctor asking how/why she’s no longer pregnant still stand.

Sam

Finally caught up to the fact that Ukraine is getting absolutely waxed.

Wilson p Mather-Glass

yes but it is 'mentally ill socially disaffected "men*' who commit mass shootings. unfortunately the word does make a difference in how people understand violence and meaningfully resist

Clint Pelvis

ad hominem strawman 🤷‍♂️

mrakobesiye

The trans person has an ongoing social existence and lives in the world interacting with others; the ectopic baby has no reality outside of the mother's head and is not affected in any way by what people call it

Jay-Z Pants

Someone do a compilation of Will saying “gaping maw”

Sam

Alexandr

Hope they see this bro

K H

I do appreciate you guys reading the NYT and various other oligarch rags. Just as Matt endures watching SNL and I personally watch CNN it's nice to see others you haven't cavorted with reach the same conclusions about these...people? by proof of their own medium. So you can at least hope you aren't an insane idiot that just isn't "getting it" because you didn't "study economics." I remember watching Fox News as a lad and feeling some catharsis when Jon Stewart covered a specific moment and people laughed so I knew it was as crazy to others as it seemed to me. Without watching these things I would have no idea the machinations of the ruling class since their pursuits are so divorced from human reality. For whatever reason they still use the vestigal propaganda organs to cajole a population they don't really respond to anyway. I've started to find the economic rags a little more interesting in that respect of telling you what's coming. In related news recessions are good actually and owning a house for ooold people eeewwwww.

Ian Woods

Felix has reached a level of Internet poisoned where’s he’s actually just the Dread Pirate Roberts. Killer riffs, laughed a lot. Needed that this week - thanks boys!

Ian Woods

20 years of social media and people are still people. We gotta stop looking to tech to save us. Slacktavism has just evolved from liking a charity’s post to doing BLM dances or whatever the fuck TikTok is

Thomas Jones

Yeah on the TERF question it is, as usual, structurally the opposite of how the democrats are selling things. Attacking tanswomen was always an attack on women broadly, and it was always the case that the TERF position was a position not for defending women but rather for destroying women's rights. The fact that transwomen were thrown under the bus over the past four years is part of why this attack on women generally is now possible. Because a transwoman is a woman (because the category 'woman' is in some sense the universal category) the ability to treat transwomen like shit maps directly onto the ability to treat women generally like shit.

Alex Schneider

He audio cuts out part way through, anyone else?

J

Im also a trans listener and im canceling you out amber is cool

James

Idk, I’d say there are some very real women’s rights being lost when biologically male folks are put into women’s prisons, allowed into women’s bathrooms, or allowed to compete at high levels in women’s athletic competitions. Add on top of that the fact that Planned Parenthood and many Democrats REFUSE to even say the word “women” now? I think the woman from the article is wrong to blame Roe overturning on the trans community, but there are some pretty serious gripes to have.

James

Also trans women aren’t *actually* women, so your argument at the end there makes no sense? Women are the “universal category”?

david

Transition medications change a person's biology.

James

Ya…

Ben

No likes, sad

CS

Reread your comment and just wanted to thank you. I'll add that this mapping ability to treat "women generally like shit" corresponds with a broad socio-political hatred of womanhood and femininity in aggregate. Again, thank you - yours is an important point to note.

Alexandr

"Idk, I’d say there are some very real women’s rights being lost when biologically male folks are... allowed to compete at high levels in women’s athletic competitions." You are, without a doubt, one of the dumbest people. Imagine the level of privilege you must have that you consider sports to be of relevance to anything or anybody's lives materially.