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643 - Are Boris feat. Ollie Vargas (7/7/22) (Patreon)

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2022-07-08 02:43:45
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2026-06

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The boys tip a hot ‘n frothy pint farewell to the boy Boris. Then, Will is joined by journalist Ollie Vargas to discuss the current rising tide of leftist leadership in Central and South America, including energy independence, nationalization of resources, the future of oil and narcotics trade, and the possibility of countering American hegemony in the region.

Find Ollie’s new podcast here: https://linktr.ee/latinamericareview

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Bob Duvall

Ring the dinner bell Ma!

Jeffrey

top class and respect

etienne

bojos binted

etienne

first scomo then bojo

etienne

if you don' like it 'ere's the door simple as

skrrt vonnegut

where were you when they ventilated shinzo abe? I was listening to this ep.

Des Mosome

‘Gouge’ Whitlam. Good one. Gough, rhymes with ‘cough.’ Fair to call him a ‘pinko’ by Oz standards. By yankee standards, a florid communist.

Gordon Schmidt

We shouldn't join the Commonwealth, the UK should join us. Scotland gets to be a state, Wales is a state, London, Yorkshire, Merseyside, Cornwall, all states. Fuck it, let's make every county of Ireland a state too

William

Mexico should watch out - meddling in the affairs of south American countries is a violation of the Monroe doctrine

Harry P. Ness

what about Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution Morales

Elvis wang

Second politician named Abe to be assassinated

woof dog

degrowth means no hospitals and electricity part was weird

Brendan Garcia

Does Felix think the head of the beer isn’t the bubbles?

Robert Karnick

Michael Fabricant, literally a replicant of Boris

dog stone

LADS THIS IS A BLADDY DISGRACE!! Any proper bloke worth his own weight in pie and chips would tell you that British pints have no head whatsoever!! More head means less Amber magic to get you royally pissed

Shimosanz (Brian Sanchez)

AMLO has been able to maintain his approval rating because of things like increasing the minimum wage, completing large infrastructure projects like refineries, direct funds for students, and aforementioned increase in elderly pensions. This is also why blue checks can’t stand him (that and his contempt for the media, esp nyt/wsj/economist, which is always a plus.) As Ollie said his approval has stayed between 60-70% for most of his tenure. Direct provision of stuff and keeping things simple has worked wonders for Obrador/MORENA, and it’s left the right wing opposition disorganized and in shambles.

John Harwood

It was a thoughtful discussion, and one that should prompt a longer and more contentious discussion of “degrowth.” This is a question that has vexed the left since the 19th century, and although I have my own strong opinions on it, I’m fully aware that there are many, many valid points of view on the question that deserve to be broadcast to as many people as possible.

etienne

with a diy steel tube and electrical tape butt blaster no less

BigBoto

I had never heard of the Gough Whitlam situation in Australia before the boys mentioned it; just read up about The Dismissal. Holy shit is all i gotta say.

Payton M

Um, uh, um, uh, you know, um, uh, um, uh, you know

john mccainus

bring back boris better together

AKorgar

Going to troll a bunch of English folks now by referring to the US and UK as "West America" and "East America"

AKorgar

Amber did what now

etienne

communists running the US into the ground with woke environmental money printing, business conservatives cleaning house in the venezuelan market and returning healthy returns for the shareholder ... world gone mad!

AKorgar

A lot of Mexican politicians still understand patronage politics, certainly thats why IPR/PRI lasted so long

AKorgar

By a Japanese guy named Booth too how weird is that

AKorgar

Right lad me missus says youre a right tosser and bloody right she is too ahahah even me old son liam tells me so and he aint had a right thought since the war on account of what jerry done to 'im

AKorgar

i was in japan no further questions please

Alberto Limon

Mexican here. Claudia Sheinbaum, Is not the chairman of the party she Is the mayor of Mexico City. Loved the show.

etienne

im really enjoying the DSA Free Gasoline Caucus position. yeah gas is too expensive right this second so instead of looking into electric trains and heating we think we should just nationalize Chevron and make gas 2 a gallon like god intended. but in a left-wing manner. Electrifying freight rail would save a giant amount of diesel and pay for itself over 20 years but. naah. just gonna reopen talks with our old chums in venezuela.

Mia vdB

Whitlam was more than left for Australian standards, that legend gave us universal healthcare, free university education, got us out of Vietnam & ended conscription, Australia Council of the Arts, developed relations w china, equal pay for women and racial discrimination act and so much more. His government made australia liveable for my parents and my generation

Loren Harway

What exactly is Will advocating for in saying Ukraine should negotiate with Russia? Give up territory? For real?

Harry Curtis

Boris is (at least notionally) catholic

Jason Yungbluth

Or give up the country. It’s all a matter if whether or not Ukraine has a real chance of winning, and at what cost.

SoConfused

With the "degrowth" discussion, I think the subtlety is more on wastefulness than just on "growth". Yes, we need hospitals, transport, shops, power etc, but it should be done responsibly and without intentional waste. Obviously, in the West, there's a lot of waste associated with consumption, and this is what should be eliminated with "degrowth", not just the concept of consumption itself

Dylan C.

Take a shot every time the guest says "etcetera".

Clean Shirt Piggie

Latinoamericano econ is great stuff but would really like a Chapo ep on how you specifically invest the patreon fees

Scott

We are all British on this blessed day

Samuel Cain

Rent mostly, but I’m w/ you in dissatisfaction over what could have been built at the zenith of their popularity. At least, refreshingly, they don’t take for granted that hungry, desperate people will inevitably revolt, but no, defiant military operatives are not the only one’s that can spur on revolution

Shimosanz (Brian Sanchez)

Didn’t know we were bringing back the “chapo should start a newspaper” type beat, ah memories.

Clean Shirt Piggie

So we can be inspired to succeed in 21st century America

Jimena Arechavala

I’m Mexican, with close family living in Michoacán. AMLO did something fantastic: he handed direct universal, monthly payments for elderly people and young people. The amounts are small but in a country with the levels of poverty we have, these payments make a huge difference in people’s lives and I’m sure are part of the reason he’s so popular. It's something I'm sure is pulling people out of destitution. I applaud him for that, and for any successful nationalization of natural resources, or industries he manages to pull through (if he does). Other than that, speaking as someone on the left, he’s been hugely disappointing in many fronts that are eating our country away: mainly corruption, violence and the grip of the drug cartels in everyday people’s lives. Communities in Michoacan are getting expelled from their lands by drug cartels by fucking drone strikes, without any aid or defense from the federal government. He is actually in direct conflict with indigenous movements and communities trying to defend their lands, their access to water, against massive mining and other industrialization projects that are often badly planned and executed, laden with the same kind of corruption we’ve had for decades. He nominated and defended a candidate for governor credibly accused of rape, in a country where women are murdered and disappeared and violence against women is horrifying and most of the time goes unpunished. He militarized the country and uses the state apparatus to repress discontent (nothing new in my country, but disappointing nonetheless). It’s good you applaud him for defending Evo Morales or Assange, and I like that very much as well, but he also accepted horrific immigration policies for migrants crossing Mexico to get to the States. The Mexican State treats these migrants with the same violence and brutality (or worse) than the US does. AMLO is often demonized, as if he was responsible for problems that definitely precede him, but also he’s often made out to be some kind of leftist legend which is also very far from the truth. He did those direct payments for the elderly and young people which are great, but hasn’t meaningfully raised taxes on the rich, so he’s also cutting funding for basic government programs like healthcare and education. He publicly praises Carlos Slim, the richest man in our country, while the workers for Telmex (huge monopoly owned by Slim) are fighting to keep their pensions. A lot of people on the left in Mexico feel about him the way many felt about Obama in the US. Lots of “change” rhetoric, and a country that hasn’t changed much.

Christopher Price

The Dry Boys starting up the lathe of heaven to create Orwell's Oceania.

David Smith

Boris lost two by elections, that was the reason they ditched him. As long as he was an election winner no one would care about pincher or any of the other scandals.

David Smith

"the Michael gove of cats" okay unsubscribing now.

Marco Bianchino

“Gofe Whitlam”? It’s pronounced “Goff”.

Scott

Man dem smashed it, you melt

BigBoto

Another good way to see an English person completely lose their mind, all you have to do is ask them what part of Australia they're from. Make sure you stand back, though

Animals in Motion

Of course they should fucking negotiate and give up Crimea, the population there has been voting to join Russia with like 95 % since the 1990's and the USSR broke up.

Marina

Thanks for this!!

Marina

Great ep, boys! I learned a lot and actually felt excited for once, haha. I just hope all these movements can continue while dodging US interference. Praying none of them contract the deadly CIA cancer that went around the first time.

Kaleidoscope Chameleon

If a head of state isn't shot dead or resigns from office that week the patreon episodes should be free.

Claire Casey

What's the over/under for how many Boys references Felix makes the next couple weeks before his brain moves onto the next thing

Carboniferous

ukraine at a fundamental minimum is going to have to give up Crimea, Lugansk, Donetsk, Kherson, and possibly Zaporozhye oblasts in a negotiation position to stop the war. russia might also ask for other oblasts too, we don't know. but the current position of the west has graduated from the infantile "ukraine is gonna win this thing! Give them more weapons!" to the slightly more mature, toddler-like position of "ukraine probably isn't gonna win this, but we need them to have a good negotiation position to get as much territory as possible." the problem is that russia isn't and hasn't been stopped and won't unless the US gives their entire arsenal to ukraine. the west will repeat this argument until they're saying "Well, okay russia-bot, I hope you're getting lots of rubles from putin! before you go, tell me how ukraine is going to be in a good position to negotiate unless we give them more weapons to defend lviv with?"

Gengeros

We do need to degrowth, especially the first world.

blackFFillip

just go to Toastmasters already, christ

blackFFillip

brutal with any left podcast

Damen Irving

Latin America is on its way to create the Mondragon Accord while we’re a few years away from reading the entrails of a person sacrificed at a Cheesecake Factory to decide whether women should be allowed to read.

justdave

The families have been in power for so long Caballero (I'm Nevadan, I have basically known a billion migrants/don't ask me to speak spanish) I think it might take an act of the divinity to dislodge their role in communities. I feel like I've met 12 yr olds with cartel ties

Nolan

I'll drink to that.

EUGENE HETZEL

I felt like I was listening to the Mexican president''s PR department. Maybe a journalist should dial it back. We get enough blowjobs by us media of who we like.

Grace Van de Pas

Thank you. I think Vargas also misrepresents environmental politics in Latin America more broadly. He says Indigenous people are "jumping for joy" about discovery of oil reserves and that there are no left/working class/Indigenous organizations against oil extraction. CONAIE, a major Amazonian/Andean campesino coalition just shut down Ecuador for 18 days. One of their core demands was to stop oil extraction in the Amazon. Chapo had Steve Donziger on the show. They know what oil extraction is doing to Ecuador and how Native people are suffering at the hands of industries like oil, ranching, and hydro. Another example is how Boric is taking on the salmon farming industry, which is poisoning the Patagonian fjords with pollution to the point that whales are washing up dead on the beaches. The Kawesqar nation has been fighting for years to have their territory recognized as a national park and to kick out the salmoneras. Boric is taking the steps and rolling out jobs programs for the fish farm workers. Boric and Petro certainly aren't perfect, but AMLO isn't either. Latin American leaders who want to transition their countries' economies away from extractive industries aren't just representing elite academics. There is a huge working class environmental movement in Latin America. Even some of the old Pink Tide leaders like Maduro are trying hard to diversify their economies from sectors like oil in the face of sanctions.

William Beamish

lol the idea that a journalist should be constrained or nonpartisan is liberal fantasy

William Beamish

the rest of the world still needs plumbing, internet, and access to medical care But yes, we do need begin massive degrowth in terms of no more designed obsolesence of cars, electronics, etc. Big switch to public transit for North America also important.

Gulb

I don't feel like "degrowth" is a very helpful term. We need to plan to use our resources to meet people's needs in a way that doesn't exceed the capacity of the planet. We need to grow some things and not grow others. Putting it in terms of overall net growth sends an unclear message.

Veit Groß

Ollie was fantastic!

Old Mate

Ollie could at least re-arrange the words, do they teach nothing in journalism school?

Natalie

maybe by chance, a president can do good things sometimes. sometimes you have to take what you can get. and they also criticized him plenty in this