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649 - Face Race (7/28/22) (Patreon)

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2022-07-29 02:53:05
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We start off with Trump and Biden, who both made public appearances this week looking more normal and healthy than they ever have before.  Then we take a look at an op-ed announcing a NEW political party this week, a party not of left and right, but new ideas to push America forward. And you better believe these ideas are just as exciting as that sounds!

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Reece Coren

i completely forgot trump pitched a juwanna man remake starring himself and lebron

Chris W

Fuck! 2nd. You all need hobbies like sitting around waiting for these episodes to drop.

Emily Oliver

4th? Does that count for anything?

Jace Boss

A party that's neither left or right? Sign me up for this party that is 1000% on the right!

Julian Schmiedeke

the only forward party candidate worth my time is Jesse “The Crackpot” Ventura

Jace Boss

Update: just looked it up and one of the main positions is "human-centered capitalism"

B2B Commuter

The opening Matt speaks of where old dems think Biden’s too old and young dems think he’s just shit will lead to Buttigieg/Cheney ‘24

T.A. Martin

The reason the government would sooner legalize psychedelics before marijuana is psychedelics require some kind of manufacturing facilities, or specialized farms. Weed, on the other hand, will grow wild from Alaska to Tierra del Fuego without vigorous programs to burn and poison it.

T

Re: lsd dosing the elderly, singer Christian Lee Hutson has a great line: “Baby boomers last acid trip, pushin up on a casket lid”

Michael S. Judge

It's my position that Trump issued a secret Executive Order to requisition nuclear power for Mar-a-Lago, the Winter White House, and he keeps the reactor in his bedroom so no one looks at it or takes it or touches it

October

Waiting for a 3rd party candidate with a solution that risks the imagination of a new kind of possibility.

Alexandr

That but I'm gay.

Alexandr

Praxin' U S A

Alexandr

Is there ANY chance someone can get Will to fix his mic settings? The way every single word of his clips from being overly-boosted is obnoxious and infuriating.

Michael S. Judge

Also nothing bad happened the last time the government unleashed psychedelics on a totally unprepared population with endemic mental illness thanks to life in a horrifying world rife with potential for slaughter and destruction beyond the scope of their imagining. Charles Manson is a singer-songwriter with a devoted, you might say, cult following

Will

It's fine

Ryeman

To be fair to the doctors, there is already a shortage of GYN providers. If they get arrested, that means their other patients will lose the only GYN doctor in their area. And doctors and nurses are not easily replaced and can take months to adjust to a new job setting. The health care system is on the brink and it can’t really afford to toss people into the legal meat grinder.

Will

okay obviously I support both legalization of psychedelics and psychedelic therapy but funny story regarding that: did ketamine therapy for treatment resistant depression and chronic pain. I've done LSD dozens of times so I said crank it up. this was during the George Floyd protests. they ultimately gave me 280mg ketamine intravenously (a fuck ton) and the anesthesiologist ran into the room because apparently I was screaming and ripping all the ECG cords off my chest. in my completely seemingly real k-hole hallucination, a bunch of SWAT police had burst into the building and unloaded into my chest (again, in the height of police violence in 2020). I can still feel the sensation of bullets going through my body that my mind created. I didn't go back for another session.

plainwrap

Gotta be the guy who points out when the boys are talking out of their ass on a subject they don't know, in this case psychedelic therapy. Not implying anything criminal but it is possible to, for example, grow mushrooms in an apartment closet using spores and instant rice packets. And I've heard it's feasible to microdose small amounts of psilocybin in the morning and achieve a reduction in anxiety and depression for 6-8 hours. And studies have shown that moderate doses every, I dunno, 2-3 weeks is a great way to work out some shit and feel okay about things. Again, not advising any specific activity but for those of you out there considering alternative therapy who might be dissuaded because these guys said it doesn't work... don't listen to them.

KatrinaJadeHelm

It is bullshit how much Jenga Unchained made me smile

Gertjan

What anarchist chick was will talking about?

AKorgar

Slop car when

Mitch H.

Biggest drop of this episode was finding out Matt watches monster factory

Eric Parfrey

When are you gonna do a segment or episode on the labour union strikes that are happening in the UK, or even discuss the dunking RMT union leader Mick lynch does to mainstream media hosts??

Antonio

Did Andrew Yang just propose creating the Reform party?

Nick Perri

My man looks like the baby from Dead Alive

Hudson

Not really what they said but why should that stop you from going balls deep into your feels?? Pls do more psychedlics more often and maybe imagine what it would be like to be a depressive and also have a really bad trip. The psychosphere thanks you in advance

Shiv

Born and raised in SF, can confirm it’s allllllll goooood in the hood

Shiv

Are you cured?

Null_null

Felix really didn’t want to talk about press rollout for the Alex Jones doc.

McNuggie

lol fuck Liz bruenigs

Paul larkin

PSA in reference to Felix mentioning you should be able to buy drugs at any gas station. Lakeside Trading gas stations (Cayuga Nation Upstate NY) offers non-taxed cannabis products, gas, and beer. If you're in Upstate NY check them out. They have two locations, Seneca Falls and Union NY.

Maxwell Harkness

I like Republicans, I like Democrats, but gosh darn it, they're too partisan! what if i had a party that had both!!!

justdave

Got it- you have to be on acid to have a gun, and abortions are illegal but you can murder your parents

Tommy

Even though the criticism was mild, even they couldn’t gloss over the absurdity of Glems ass kissing of Alex Jones.

Jessica Rios

So weird that you think this because I actually had a small convo with Matt about this subject and he said psychedelics have helped him greatly. lol.

Matt Landrie

"I don't think psychedelics will help the mental heath crisis" is a surprisingly stupid take from this podcast.

Daniel White

The chaps have not looked into research on psychedelic therapy...What methods, trials, outcomes we've seen, etc.

Of course

I think Chapo made that clear enough: Glenn is not a Filipino, so he's not Jewish.

rtlsnk

Damn the boys are too connected to make fun of something as obviously stupid as the alex jones doc.

Woke Batou

Giving psychedelics to disturbed people who don't have access to real mental health care-not an app service-is a recipe for disaster and will be used to excuse another drug war

Maxwell Harkness

but without any of the anti-free trade stuff that gave Perot a boost.

Of course

I share the skepticism that an FDA-PharmCo psychedelics solution to capitalism-supercharged despair and alienation is something to cheer.

Samuel Cain

As they say, if gone through w/ it would be 1/4 dose of a micro dose

Null_null

I still don't know what point they were trying to make. It sounded like they were saying that pharma and the FDA are going to MK Ultra everyone, but that sounded like a joke. Then Felix said something about the companies making psychedelics habit forming, but I'm not sure how that would work or what that is based on specifically. For someone like me who has been on Zoloft for like 7 years and has no idea how I'm ever going to stop, the promise of something like psilocybin actually gives me hope that I can take something that doesn't make feel so lethargic and dull.

Null_null

I don't think SSRIs are bad, btw. I just don't know how you ever stop using them without doing real cognitive behavioral therapy, and that shit is expensive and time consuming as fuck.

Null_null

I agree that you need a real pharmacologist or psychiatrist to prescribe these things, but I'm not sure it's a "recipe for disaster" if you know how anything about how micro dosing works. Sounds like you think every psychedelic is fucking PCP.

Woke Batou

Undiagnosed and untreated mental illness plus drugs doesn't equal good outcomes. And commerically available micro doses advertised under the guise of mental health will 100% be used as a substitute for providing any actual care or resources for people. And as we've seen, the local ABC affiliate will use any case where drugs are involved to ring the crime wave bell, regardless of the facts. And the Walmart employees watching in their break room will believe it

David Browm

Felix called the Keyblade a gunblade. I know squall from ff8 is in some of the games, but he was talking about the keyblade. Thought these guys were real leftists Smdh

Jeremy O

I have attended conferences on the current state of psychedelic therapy. It is a well researched procedure at this point and is well contained with experienced guides and along with therapy. If it becomes widely available and used I do fear that protocols will go by the wayside to cut costs. But the idea is not "here take some mushrooms at home by yourself. Good luck!"

DopeTipped's Raid:Shadow Lessons

20 years of mixing bands, clubs to arenas, studio production in between has lead me here, to say that Chris and the guys get a chef's kiss for how far they've come and how absolutely adequate the show sounds... ta mothafukas

etienne

yeah I remember when Ra's al Ghul legalized psychedelic therapy on the mentally ill population of Gotham City

Phubarrh

I think it's great that between the Nothingness Party and the Do-Nothing Party, we can now finally have a Nothing Party.

CHET_BIGTRUCK

Is there a psychedelic therapy for listening comprehension?

BigBoto

Was hoping they'd mention Prince William getting his colon destroyed by a fat dildo. Best news to come out of that filthy little country for a while

BryceSprungstein

have you looked into the research on pharma companies manufacturing an opioid epidemic that has killed more than a million people?

BryceSprungstein

Yes, there were articles supporting the use of Oxycontin for using pain. How are we till living through an opioid epidemic that owes its existence to the pharma industry and there are still people who can't grasp who the people that are making and marketing these drugs are?

etienne

trump making some lame mainstream trans women in sports garbage riff instead of coming up with his own material. he fell off. he's trying to catch up to the meta he created himself but he lost it.

Natalie

why does this episode have a different name and title on spotify, does that happen often on patreon episodes cause I find it confusing lol

Natalie

also I recently started getting texts again from trumps soliciting team putting out 2024 feelers

Daniel White

If they mix psychedelics with other shit, which I don't think they will, then there are problems. Psychedelics as are is a other game, my friend, in no way comparable to opioids.

Andy West

Typical tech bro, reinventing the wheel but worse

Andy West

Their point was pretty underdeveloped, so I'm extrapolating quite a bit here, but I think what they were suggesting is that pharma companies are just going to crank out microdose pills and call that a solution in itself, divorced from any other mental health treatment. Like, "we gave you your happy pills, so get back to fucking work."

Andy West

The boys didn't get into this, but my understanding of psychedelic therapy as practiced by mental health professionals (and please correct me if I'm wrong here) is that the therapist administers the dose of psychedelics and then stays in the room with the patient, doing talk therapy during the "trip." I don't have confidence in our health care system to provide the therapist part, just the drug.

Matt Landrie

But you had to really dig for the interpretation, on it's face they seemed to be shutting the idea down completely. I was just shocked they has such a conservative view on that topic. I also dislike Will's "One Big Trip A Year" advice, that's like people who are miserable year round looking forward to their 4 days in Hawaii.

blackFFillip

Solid riffs and delivery from Will on this one, more please

Adam Bojak

Yeah but Squall from FF8 was in Kingdom Hearts CHECKMATE BITCH

Alex Gullen

Would have thought AY would want to name a prospective 3rd part ‘’Backwards’, given the treacherous territory society now finds itself having been manipulated or drifted into…

kenneth hammond

the felix material about drugs was very cringe

etienne

everyone already forgot about treating PTSD with MDMA? last i checked that worked great?

Bobi Jon-son Kenobi

If we’re gonna allow gunblades to be used in America, we need to clarify whether this includes both Balamb gunblades and Cocoon gunblades, as while they both share the same label, are completely different weapons

Doug Cartel

Make America Goofy Again

Rusty Shackleford

So basically you only want to legalize the drugs that you take?

Michael

The Forward Party’s founding convention was The Rally to Restore Sanity.

Marcus

Biden sounds like he's been drinking lean.

J.W.

I been getting the emails again.

Marina

Okay about Trump’s face, am I the only one who things he looks so much better without all the insane makeup and spray tan?! Now he just looks like a normal old man with wrinkles to me. I just want him to stop with the stupid hair too. It’s okay to go bald dude…

Nolan

Uh oh Nolan posting

Zach Pierce

I was able to get MARINOL (THC in a pill) for my mother, who is 73 and suffering from Shogrin’s disease and a severe equilibrium/vertigo condition. I tried a 5 mg pill before I put her on it, and it had a decent profile and the effects were very good. It does increase appetite/reduce nausea and gives a nice chill. I’m a former opiate addict so I’m strongly against making opiates available (I think we have a good 20 years of data) and amphetamines available.

Doug Cartel

how will people get mad if there's THREE parties? dilute the anger

Ben

Sophomore in college libertarian shit

Ben

The earth shakes, babies cry… Nolan is posting!

Laurel

Not surprised the dudes who advocate for a socialist agenda don’t think pharmaceutical companies administering psychedelics via our privatized healthcare system/VA system can have positive impact on society. On another but related topic, has anyone listened to New York Magazine’s podcast Cover Story- Power Trip (an influential group of therapists abusing their patients after administering psychedelics)?

etienne

here's the difference: through out history, there have been an immense amount of people addicted to opiates, and a vanishingly small number of people "addicted" to psychedelics

etienne

people always crank their hogs about having a third party but as a person living in a country that has a third party, and a province that has had 3 or 4 "3rd parties" in the last 60 years: it's not that good. It's like proportional/compulsory voting: it sounds great when you hear about it but not so nice when you see it in real life

etienne

the real fun begins when the "3rd" party gets a big enough share that they decide to enter an uneasy alliance with an established but diminished "2nd" party to consolidate power but a contingent of that alliance gets mad and spins out another "3rd" party

Oscar

Here's my three thinkers for the new 3rd party Left: Nick Mullen Center: WASBAPPIN Right: Joel Kotkin

Frances Mary

How the fuck would "late term abortion" have anything to do with ectopic pregnancy? Ectopic pregnancies are almost universally caught early in pregnancy. The likelihood of getting to third trimester with an ectopic pregnancy is near zero because you would get your ass to emerg well before that due to severe abdominal pain and possible significant internal bleeding. You would also never get past routine OBGYN assessment throughout your first two trimesters without them catching that your pregnancy was extrauterine.

I was saying boo-lania

Complete wrong take on psychedelic assisted therapy, but Chaps can't knock it out the park every time

I was saying boo-lania

Too bad Amber wasn't there to shut down this rather shitlib take on psychedelic assisted therapy

etienne

as the world's biggest chapo stan simp white knight that section was pretty tough for me

Josh

The disappointment of the Owl 😂😂😂😂😂😂 Felix is such a gem

Natalie

can someone plz convince me pete buttigieg will never be president

Natalie

I get their point but yeah I wouldn't dismiss it completely

justdave

His name is 'Peter Buttigieg'

justdave

LeBron hate is so bizarre and weird, he's such a great lighting rod for figuring out if someone is stupid

Natalie

lmaoo for real like you don't just carry a baby outside of your uterus for 8 month without realizing

Skye

First

Brendan Costello

"Psychedelics as are is a other game, my friend" is an awesome phrase.

Daniel White

Lol another game, you get it, but other game works now, doesn't it? For the uninitiated, if you want to meet the other, lay with the mushroom

Ben

U mean LeChina

justdave

I apologize for misrepresenting her

justdave

Also the presidents a dog

Zen Ben

I vividly recall that Trump considered the abandonment of his premier Bedminster golf course by the PGA tour as the final humiliation at the hands of his enemies. That one hurt. I'm surprised that riff didn't come up on the LIV tournament at Bedminster

Zach Lemon

I'm sorry/thank you for sharing your story. I also hope you were prepared to hear that this story made me laugh really hard. But having gone through some odd medical stuff myself, I can empathize and see the humor in the suffering.

I Let the Dogs Out. Me, Me, Me, Me.

God damn. Trump's lookin' like a mid-transition Animorphs book cover. Or like he's getting the House of Wax taxidermy treatment.

Paul McKiernan

id be willing to legalize codeine or some prodrug cuz u cant shoot em

triplevalaska

If anyone knows where to buy this stolen preacher ice please let me know. I know this isn't the correct spot for this post but other than NY Craigslist I'm at lost.

Zack Burke

Dark Brandon doing a Pont-Saint-Esprit level of dosing unwitting mid-western towns at random.

Purple Lemons

My centrist gun policy is that everybody get's one of those two shot derringers when they're 18, and that's it, you get 1 gun with 2 bullets for your whole life. Use it wisely.

teacup

Tell that to Barack Hussein Obama

teacup

Chill out and hit this doobie homie

teacup

I prefer a "one in the chamber" approach, where you're stuck with just the one bullet, but if you get a kill you're given one more.

Alison

I’m a licensed therapist, currently in a 9 month long credentialing program for psychedelic assisted therapy, so can’t help but pipe in here…Psychedelic assisted therapy involves a lot of screening and preparatory work with participants to create safety and set expectations, intentions, and goals. People aren’t just left alone in a room to trip balls by themselves. The way MDMA therapy is currently conducted is with 4 8 hour medicinal session sandwiched between 3 90 minute preparatory and integration sessions, so intensive therapy is a critical part of this in addition to the medicinal sessions. In replicable studies, after 4 mdma sessions, 2/3 of participants no longer met the criteria for ptsd and all participants’ symptoms improved. That remained true after a year follow up, with some peoples’ symptoms continuing to improve. No other psychotropic drug on the market has anything close to that kind of success rate. Studies also found that participants don’t become drug seeking or express a desire to use mdma outside of therapy because those sessions are hard and intense. Actually psychedelic assisted therapy has been shown to be helpful in supporting people overcome addiction problems (unlike rehab). There is a lot of concern and discussion within the community about what happens when these medicines become commercialized and commodified, as well as ongoing dialogue and standards being created around ethics and training; ethics include making treatment accessible and affordable to people. No treatment or healthcare that exists within a capitalist system is going to come close to being perfect, but compared to current medications/modalities available, it’s pretty promising. And in my experience, the facilitators, trainers, and trainees involved in this community care deeply about easing people’s pain and suffering. That’s the ultimate goal

Woke Batou

@alison I 100% believe you. I have family with complex PTSD currently in treatment. Which means I also know that therapists are expensive, insurance is spotty at best (see the United lawsuit in CA) and patients often resort to paying out of pocket if they go at all. I'm not arguing new drugs paired with care won't be highly effective. I'm suggesting nothing in this society indicates that's the goal, and all the incentives are aligned with dumping a new product on the market, profiting, and going back to forgetting about people who need actual care, not a product and an app. A lot of people can't afford 400-500/month between sessions and meds, and that's with federal civil service insurance.

Hector Jaime

Definitely not. It kicks my anxiety into high gear; I don’t care what any stoner “bro, you need to smoke the indica not the sativa, brotherman” says

Hector Jaime

Wait, did I listen to the same episode as other people? I don’t think Will was discounting the effectiveness of psychedelic therapy, but rather commenting on the Brandon admin’s cynical ploy to “help solve our mental health crisis”. Solve it for whom? Well off people with health insurance? It’s not like the poor half naked guy I just saw ranting and raving on the street and having a miserable time of life is all of a sudden going to find himself housed and happy.

Bogdan

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