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659 - The Transmigration of John Dolan feat. John Dolan (9/1/22) (Patreon)

Published:
2022-09-02 02:08:12
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2022-09-02 13:39:12
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2026-06

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Today we're joined by The War Nerd, John Dolan to talk about the wide world of war. We discuss the possibility of Irish unification, the wars in Ukraine and Ethiopia, the one year anniversary of the American withdrawal from Afghanistan, and of course, Philip K Dick. Also, Matt and Chris tease their upcoming project 'Hell on Earth', a podcast about the 30 Years War

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tall bilbo

I ended up reading the book recommended in this episode by John and Will. Really enjoyed it!

Bryan Jennings

Another Matt and Chris history podcast?! Be still my heart

HeyB00B00

Ive been subbed to War Nerd for over 2 years now! His Civil War series is incredible.

Kenneth Smith

Hell yes! You gotta bring on Mark next time too though

etienne

their best work tbh

pdschmidty

Gentlemen, you can’t fight in here! This is the War Room!

xasquim

We love our Matt+Chris history pods, don't we folks?

protob1

The reason Ukraine it has fallen off the news cycle is because you are losing. The war did not begin a Russian 'Blitzkrieg', it began in 2014 as ultra-nationalist and Nazis is Kiev took control of the government and started systematically jailing, murdering and raping ethnic Russians that opposed the coup orchestrated by Amerika. Yes, YOU started the war, and your clients in Kiev. Did you honestly think you can build a pro-Nazi criminal client state run by a junkie on the border of the Russian Federation? Amerikans are truly insane. Now you will reap the whirlwind.

J.P. McD.

Hell of Presidents got me reading Oxford History of the US, book 3 is up next

Sheep

I think there are legitimate reasons why many in India and Pakistan think life under the Raj was better. Not to excuse how terrible it was, but Partition was just so violent and traumatizing and it’s effects are still seen today.

Kawaii Leonard

It’s “gary brecher AKA john dolan.” Get name full name right

j

Aww yes this is wonderful, two of the big three yet again When will we get the true anon war nerd double feature

NYCM&AHole

The Pakistan flooding is god’s punishment for imprisoning imram khan

etienne

chris can you put Hell of Presidents on a non-bad platform? I think it would be fantastic

kyle brown

This guy is incredibly boring and unfunny and his takes are so basic

caroline

will isnt THAT bad

NYCM&AHole

John don’t lecture me on the felony murder rule

HeyB00B00

Its was realllly easy for the msm to dehumanize the ethnic russian population of Ukraine by calling them pro-russian seperatists. This way they're bad no matter what and their plight goes unrecognized. And that whirlwind can just join the others were already reaping😅

chapotraphouse

We cannot under any circumstances advise you to go to youtube.com and search "hell of presidents". Next series will be all on patreon.

blazed uncle

As a subscriber to war nerd on Patreon, my dumb ass thought “oh hey, war nerd’s interviewing the war nerd himself” and kept thinking that right up until 10 seconds of the intro

etienne

im gonna do my own rss feed of it with whiskey and bacon. allegedly in fortnite

HeyB00B00

Government issued waifus had me dyin😅😅😅

Don Kerr

The Last Valley is on PBay

Kenneth Smith

Who is the “you” you’re taking to here? Every single American?

Boggs

He's technically a nerd

xasquim

He always steps back to respect a real one

Brendan Garcia

Maybe that guy found that coke bottle, and it was causing strife in his society, so he was journeying across the desert to throw it off the edge of the world. A noble end.

Ellen Harold

What Hath God Wrought is Amazing.

Ellen Harold

My significant other's favorite movie. I know we have a copy. Amazon has it in different formats and it's on Youtube prime, as well.

Mitch H.

You need to say AKA 3 times to summon him

Jonathan lees

It’s a dirty job but somebody’s got a do it

William

Lol. The amount of stereotyping in this cunt's post is incredible. I am starting to understand all those eugenics weirdos from the 1920s. It'd be nice to sterilize you so the average intelligence of the future human race has a chance to rise a bit

William

Fr. Feels like mark would enjoy it more tbh

Ol-Dirty-BAStart

What's this bollocks about "everybody" wanting Scottish independence? There was a referendum, and independence lost.

James Roche

Sinn Fein absolutely do not control the government here wtf is Will on about?

Jennifer Wiren

In my heaven Matt and John have a podcast together.

Charvis Blutchard

“Reap the whirlwind” goddamn only a slav could think that sounds badass, or makes any sense. The fact that the Russians are bothering to to post in fucking podcast patreon comments makes me think you actually are somehow losing that war after all, stop sending 95 pound krokodil addicted 15 year olds to the front bruh, the levers to drive the tank are too heavy for them to pull. Those boys need rehab and Minecraft.

grimbo

For selling out bin Laden

Yacobum

John sounds like the guy who made Phinneas and Ferb and I can't stop picturing him

NYCM&AHole

What about “time for my stories”?

Guy Brown

Last Valley is one of the few DVD's I kept

drewb

A referendum where the pro-union side shamelessly lied to & threatened voters, but sure

drewb

"ultranationalists and Nazis" - are we talking about Russia or Ukraine, because both countries have more than their fair share of those flavours of idiot

Twitch Hunt!

I love when Matt quiet quits an ep.

Dugan

Weird hearing them bash me so much in this ep lol

Brendan A. MacWade

Irish unification is the only good thing that's going to happen in the whole world this decade. I predict the nation will be unified by Easter 2024.

Brendan A. MacWade

Fastest growing party in the Republic. Blocked from being seated in the north. It will soon be the party in charge. It's the Democratic Socialist party of Ireland!

Steeeeve

Yeah and nothing happened since then that might have put more of us off the idea of staying in the union. OK

Mr. Lobotomy

come to the Detroit area and I will be there

James Roche

Well, yeah I hope so but the situation in the South is just... not that, at the moment. We could be years out from the next General Election, Sinn Fein are still the opposition, and have never controlled the government. Saying they do is just wrong in a very important way. It's by no means a done deal that they'll get in, in fact the campaign to undermine rhem across all national media is already well underway and the ruling coalition would sooner burn the Dáil down than allow them power. There's a lot of work left to be done here. Tiocfaidh Ár Lá is future tense for a reason- the fucking day still hasn't fucking come.

SF

Nah, he’s good and his podcast is good too 👍

SF

Are you always this literal-minded? What he meant is that it’s an extremely popular position in Scotland, which it is. I think the ultimate breakup of the UK will be a very good thing— sorry to hear that it makes you mad.

Treppy

Stephen a Smith if you want the hot takes my man

Isaac Jones

Christman jumpscare at 19:52

Dakota

Love this dude and mark

SF

ok that’s nice. you gonna tell us how Hong Kong should go back to Britain next?

Sheep

Did I say that? No. I merely stated that older people had legitimate reasons for preferring life under the Raj. Namely, millions of peoples homes and livelihoods were taken from them, they were killed or beaten in the forced partition of the region between India and Pakistan.

kyle brown

While it got a bit better. Definitely low quality uninsightful guest compared to others.

Treppy

You’re right man I was just finishing up my day doing auto glass in 2014 when I decided to just go ahead and install a ultranationalist neo-Nazi organization in Kiev…. As a rural American I apologize for the role I played in the 2014 uprising.

SF

uh huh that’s nice, anyway i notice you didn’t answer my question.

SF

Was HK better off under the British?

Sheep

Bro. I don’t know why you’re picking a fight in the Patreon comments section. Obviously no, I don’t believe it was better off under the British. You don’t care what I have to say, because you’re being very presumptive and refusing to consider the complexity of the situation. It must be black and white.

SF

Nope, I’m fine with complexity— there’s precious little of it in the case of the fucking British Raj, one of the most monstrous entities that has ever existed. But you might enjoy that Spectator article that was mentioned in the episode!

Sheep

My opinions are based solely on the conversations I’ve had with friends from Pakistan and their family’s history. You’re being very unreasonable

SF

There are plenty of Hong Kongers who think life was better under the British— especially rich kids in international schools. Why don’t you write a mawkish comment about their lived experience.

Alal Alal

John Dolan ep, I'm here for it

Sheep

You’re looking for offense and I’m not providing it. Please, chill. Learn some history. People have reasons for their beliefs. Read about partition, it’s a complex and tragic topic.

SF

I’m very well aware of the history of partition. My closest childhood friend was Scottish Pakistani and I remain very close with him and his mother. I’ve spoken with him about this. I’m not going to go around lamenting that life was better under the Raj. I think perhaps, white woman, you should read a little about what the Raj was actually like because it frankly sounds like you don’t know.

Sheep

You’re moralizing and picking a fight not because of anything I said, but because you’re looking for one. Did I say life was better under the Raj? Did I say the British didn’t do horrible acts of genocide? No. I said the people who do think life was better then have legitimate reasons why rooted in history. I don’t know why you’re getting so angry, but apparently I’ve struck a nerve

SF

Take a wild fucking guess, you dumb racist bitch.

Harper Big Spender Karabees

Real Thirty Years-Warheads should check out Tyll by Daniel Kehlmann. Not quite historical fiction, but it's a great book about a jester growing up in and roaming around the Holy Roman Empire as it's being torn apart

stop watcherman

big ep for people who call their social group leftist circles

Alexander Fuchs

blew the opportunity to talk about the whole "going into active wars when invited" thing russia has been doing in georgia, syria, now ukraine and its legality rather than blabbing about "war of aggression" ... or compare and contrast ukraines anti-terror operation with the one in xinjiang ajd gaza ... also no imran kahn? disappointing episode all around.

Alex “WORLDWIDE” Kellar

Immediately torrented and watched The Last Valley after hearing this ep. Pretty good. They loved a bummer ending in the 70s

Chad Dopamine

God I could not be more excited about the 30 Years War project. Great choice fellas

Adam B

“Ireland is a giant PO Box for Apple.” Yea it is, and would an united SF Ireland make it any different?

Adam B

Are they a socialist party or just a bourgeois national liberation party?

etienne

felix was like oh, the guy I'd read all the time back on The Exile? from where I poach all my war takes from? haaaaaard pass

James Roche

They're a socialist republican party in theory but since they've never held power we can only wait and see what they look like when they run into the "moderating" effects of being in government. They talk a good game, they hew left in a time where the centre-right cartel that has controlled us for a century is hewing further right, and odds are they'll have to bring in a bunch of independent lefty members of the Dáil should they be there to make up the numbers for a ruling coalition. All in all, a good option and I would say well worth the broad support of anyone in the Chapo Patreon comment section, but I'm well aware that politics in the Republic moves particularly slowly, and we're staring down the barrels of some serious crises that even dedicated socialist policy would take many years to realistically alleviate- so I'm tempering my expectations of them in the short-term.

Wil

knowing a bit about US-ukraine relations post WW2 made the first half pretty annoying. why do you see nazi/collaborator symbols on ukrainian soldiers? might be nice to look into the captive nation committees (later the victims of communism memorial foundation) and its vice chair, former OUN and ABN leader yaroslav stetsko. western capitalist governments actively supported them (stetsko is pictured with HW) and let them whitewash their actions, paving the way for the same in official institutions like the ukrainian institute of national remembrance and laws like 2538-1, which criminalize showing "disrespect" to known nazi collaborators and pogromists. these figures and symbols are fully normalized, though downplaying their antisemitism in favor of their more palatable anti-communism and anti-russian nationalism. while this was cemented since 2014, it's the result of a longer term project. its success means this inflects on ukrainian politics in many ways, from your right sector militants to fanon-citing leftish academics who queasily apply decolonial theory to ukrainepride libs who post about "daddy bandera". anyways everything's fine

Pat Finian McBride

As some one who’s built a couple of those A&M bonfires gotta correct will and say it’s 4 and a half stories of garbage piled on one another

Gary Alexander

What Hath God Wrought is so good that it's probably the reason I ended up on a path to an advanced degree in history, so I cant say I recommend it.

Grimm

Washoe

Mitch H.

Matt Christman talking about Archons while exploring the backrooms

Nathan TC

"you are legally required to come to our love shows" THEN COME BACK TO MINNESOTA!!

J.P. McD.

Nice, will definitely aim to start that in the next couple weeks.

Adam

i liked this episode

David

Miraculous crossover. Thanks guys!

Wil

yeah that makes it more annoying to let garrison keillor bloviate about it like it's a mystery!

Luccia

Gotta say, I'm less impressed with John Dolan with each passing year I think he's a lil out of touch

Sean

I love how we opens up this podcast exactly how he does radio war nerd with pleasant, meandering anecdotes about his day to day

chronye

really dig matt’s contribution to this episode

Dick Van Sexel

I bet you really thought ya had something with this comment.

AKorgar

He's literally better than you

Doug Cartel

the railroads werent even that important to native indians anyway! those rails could have been used to minimize the damage of every famine and instead they just hauled the rice to the port cities. the locals were forced to claw the food from the hands of their neighborood shop owners because the biggest piles of food were under armed guard. british right wingers are the worst.

Doug Cartel

yeah it's perfectly reasonable to say the 1932 famine happened, it just starts getting ridiculous when people claim it was a plan by stalin and that east ukrainians only live there because stalin shipped them in en masse to replace the famine victims. I only ever hear these as claims but never see evidence and all I can find is evidence of mismanagement in the middle of a chaotic industrial bootstrapping program.

Of course

I subscribe to both shows, and Wil has a point. Dolan has said he doesn't get economics and seems mystified by a lot of popular politics. On the other hand, he has useful things to say about weapons, tactics, and some wonderfully painfully true literary takes about human nature. But as one of three living leftists who thinks Keillor's stories were charming, I really enjoy Radio War Nerd... and leave long, critical, and mostly unread comments on their Patreon page.

justdave

They were important in that rebel groups (and gangs) were given a target, taxing the empire for its stolen goods- remember there are castles in India, crazy death trap ones

m d

grimace here for chapo trap house. today we will be talking about the Double Holocaust theory

Luke F

It was Virgil for me

etienne

War Nerd is so funny because it's everyone's gateway drug to tankie-ism but then everyone turns around couple years later to dunk on them for being mildly critical of some aspects of russian/soviet policy

Ellen Harold

Even Robert Conquest admitted in print that he saw no evidence of intent on Stalin's part. Seems to have been a global phenomenon. Didn't we have a famine of our own in the form of the nineteen thirties dust bowl. "Severe drought hit the Midwest and southern Great Plains in 1930. Massive dust storms began in 1931. A series of drought years followed, further exacerbating the environmental disaster. By 1934, an estimated 35 million acres of formerly cultivated land had been rendered useless for farming, while another 125 million acres—an area roughly three-quarters the size of Texas—was rapidly losing its topsoil." -- https://www.history.com/topics/great-depression/dust-bowl

GrandDemand

The Soviet Famine of 1932, by pretty broad consensus of modern academics who focus on the subject, is no longer considered a deliberate act. The releasing of the Soviet archives caused historians to revise their theories that the Bolsheviks aimed to inflict mass death and starvation among the semi-capitalistic independent farmers of the regions Dolan mentions. Of course, reputable academic types never believed that the Holodomor was a genocide against ethnic Ukrainians only, for the simple fact (which Dolan correctly points out) that millions died of the famine in regions without ethnic Ukrainians like Kazakhstan and Russia itself. What Dolan gets very wrong is that the Soviets deliberately killed these millions for political and economic reasons: to cement their rule and wipe out this emerging rural class of wealthier farmers that posed a perceived challenge against the Soviet system. On the contrary, most reputable historians now believe that the mass death in these regions was not a crime of malice, but a failure of distribution and government policy (ie poorly implemented farm collectivization and excessive agricultural quotas that the Soviet planners’ supply chain did not adequately redistribute back to their producers). While some scholars do believe the mass death could be considered a crime against humanity they still largely agree that it was a crime of incompetence and not deliberate (which is why it’s not a genocide).

Of course

You could make a mint selling an Irish phonics program.

Yup

matt was great on this one

Drew Flanagan

I'd appreciate some citations on this - it's been a long time since I read about it in college

GrandDemand

Sure I’ll provide them tmrw! Appreciate you taking the time to read my comment in the first place :)

etienne

im gonna do a huge brain whataboutism here but: was the holodomor less of an intentional famine than the bengal, or the irish famine, or was the ukraine famine in particular just a resource allocation boo boo while the other two were intentional, or is it like a sliding scale thing?

Iro Kalogeropoulou

There are numerous citations on the issue on the Wikipedia page on the Holodomor. I mean, even on Wikipedia there is a pretty good presentation on the various approaches and opinions that one can check out.

William

I can't tell who you're trying to impress here

Sam

UV BLUEMAN

You are genuinely retarded, and should probably kill yourself for the benefit of those around you

AKorgar

Yeah you ever notice how you can't find figures for death by famine associated with the Dust Bowl? I've tried, never had any luck.

AKorgar

Wheatcroft and Davies

Jayvee Sy

I think they got the Ukraine war wrong. The Russians did try to scare Ukraine into capitulating early in the war. Who doesn’t like a short war? Better than it is now where Europe is going to be freeze to death and hundreds of thousands of Ukranians died for nothing and Ukraine will be carved up like a Thanksgiving turkey into a rump state land locked and zero prospects even if it joins the EU

chetan kadodwala

As if the EU would take a corrupt failed state into it's arms with all those heavily armed guys with PTSD ready to cause endless trouble.

Poppy Chulo

Where's the new fucking slop?

Michael Landreth

Dry boys are still recuperating. They go hard for Labor Day.

Dan

This guy sucks, get John mearsheimer next time fools

Jonathan G

Guyyyyysssss Posssttttt-uh

bruce

I hate Ukraine so fucking much

John Mitchell

This guy was a fucking GET! Great job! Definitely checking out his work.

Brandon

Another slapper interview boys, well done!

Michael S. Judge

One of Iain Sinclair's Rules for the BBC: "The Irish, if they are men of violence, may only speak in subtitles."

Peter Queckenstedt

That 30 Years War podcast sounds like something I'll love listening to.