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Did Jorts the Cat do ableism? Is a “right to sex” the best solution for our alienated males? Will Rod Dreher finally find spiritual peace in permanent Hungarian exile? All this and a farewell to Liz Truss in today’s episode.

Last chance to catch us live this year at Revolution in Ft. Lauderdale on 10/30: https://www.jointherevolution.net/concerts/chapo-trap-house/

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E Joseph Weixel

China has limited the time kids can spend on line. They have ended homework and test prep companies. They have organized activities for kids. Even if a lot this is aspirational it's commendable.

Reece Coren

simpler times. take me back

etienne

oh my god can you talk about anything else than twitter flame wars

Jason Chapa

Next thing you know Jose from the Dollop is going to advocate for something controversial like calling him Gary!

Baron

Will there be a Christmas episode this year?

cakcakcak

no, no, yes 🤩

Sam Lewis

Please only talk about twitter flame wars

Jared Millstein

“Jorts The Cat”? we’re discussing “Jorts The Cat”?

Clint Pelvis

this one was a littel better but still total dogshit

Major bit me

I love going to the grocery store and judgingly looking at all the peons sticking white bread in their cart, as I make off with the whole grain

Aaron Baer

FIRST MOTHER FUCKER, BECAUSE I SAID SO

Matt Norman

Bong hit transplant baby

Sam

Glad I don’t know this ableist cat. I’d throw hands. Fast.

Steph

Oh my god they put me in the poscast

Osborne MOCs

This episode description feels like being given the Voight-Kampff test

kenton

"Someone needs to remind incels that ultimately they are discarded males and there's no meaningful way to change anything" Wow you guys fucking suck. I think I'm done with Chapo. I know they're good with the politics and shit but I'd rather hear literally anything else.

Jake

I use the drug excuse to get first pick on the good stuff in my kid's Halloween haul.

Juji Gatame

Last time I bought groceries, Liz Truss resigned. I am now traumatised and think that whenever I buy my bachelor slop, a world leader will resign

Jack

keep buying the slop for gods sake

Juji Gatame

I love this patronising dating advice from breadtubers in long term relationships that keeps happening. "Just comb your hair and you'll meet someone!" It's underpants gnome logic. "Lower your standards!" Yeah don't worry about having dangerously traumatised people in your house while you're asleep or anything, you've had sex due to your low standards! The coroners standing over your meth riddled corpse with 17 stabwounds will high-five when they see the used condoms! I don't have answers (or I would be having sex) but it's insanely grim for single people out there, and wealthy people in long term relationships tut tutting single people is pretty fucken cringe

Juan Rodriguez

bro poor ppl are the ones who fuck the most. i dont even know what your going off about

Alexandr

Spotted the incel

Alexandr

It's kenton. Kenton, it's you. You're the incel.

LunarZeta

you don't fuck because you're afraid you'll get murdered? awesome

Major bit me

We gotta unsell incels the mental cells sold to cell them in self-help sales by self-help salesmen, who sell self-help to incels to fill cells in their business’s excel sales records

Alan Fulcher

I don’t mind the free episode being “this weeks Twitter recap” but I need a little more from the Patreon eps.

Jessica S

You know you’re doing something right when people will pay for the access to tell you how much they hate what they’re paying you for, lol. You’ve arrived, boys.

Hudson

Hello somebody, dudes are not getting laid cuz they are broke-ass, If you want them to get some fanny maybe give them some cash to take a bitch to Target with lol don't take away their phones for fuck sake, what a complete misread of the problem

I am become reply guy

All these libertarian types that talk about a right to sex should just hook up.

Jessica S

My 12 y/o told me the other day that the internet is like when you are fighting with someone and either forgot why you’re mad or realized you’re wrong, so you end up arguing a point that you don’t even care about. So, that’s pretty much the instacart cat fight (hehe) in a nutshell.

Kyle Petty

"I don't want to become a dating coach and tell young men how to get laid." Oh yeah you are just oozing with sexual energy 🤣🤣🤣 Don't worry Will You won't. Nobody would ever ask you for that advice

Kyle Petty

And look I love these guys and genuinely enjoy the show, specifically the takes on Socioeconomic instances. I do think eps like these do reveal an issue with their frame of reference, they spend all their time online. The majority of people I know aren't spending all their time online but these guys do (because it's their job) and so they are interacting with a specific type of person or gain a certain impression when making these takes. Hell Twitter consists of like 5% of the population, which is a ton of people for a business, but most people aren't twitter brained

Paul F. Holzfäller

I completely agree. That cat should know that owning black women is illegal. Absolutely reprehensible behavior on the part of Jorts.

Kyle Petty

Yeah he's in a relationship with Katherine.

Kyle Petty

They were both onstage together when I saw them in Portland.I just don't think the "committed relationship with a regular person" lifestyle screams "Instagram pickup artist" or whatever these guys online are looking for

Kyle Petty

Also why am I explaining my joke? 🤣 The whole show is based on sarcasm this is totally in bounds

Bobi Jon-son Kenobi

The Haters and Losers Brigade (HALB) is in full force tonight, it seems

Jessica S

Dude, you completely misread the context. They’re saying the harsh reality is that culture has failed the younger generations by selling distraction and alienation instead of valuing connection and interdependency. The sex problem is simply one aspect of the broader problem of alienation from other humans. It’s about profit over quality of life. The “surplus” is simply those who are left behind in the race towards the next big distraction. The media seems highlight or exploit this one facet of that alienation, lack of sex, creating this belief that the reason these sexless men are miserable is b/c they aren’t having sex. But the root of it is a lack of face to face interaction with other humans, shared experiences and all the messiness that goes with it. So you’re missing the point, or cherry picking statements. And as an aside in general, am I not doing the math correctly that there should be a fairly similar amount of same aged women are also not having sex, or are they double, triple, quadrupling up on the same dude? I don’t think women are as neutral about not having sex as they’re made out to be. Talking heads need to STFU and instead cash in on dating services or something.

Lord Drewcifer

Really disappointed in the anti- goverment mandated girlfriend sentiment on this ep. THINK OF ALL THE JOBS WE COULD CREATE

Jeffrey Miller

I think the "lower your standards" stuff also comes with age. I'm in my mid-30s , so I think women who I might have a chance with are sexy. It'd be just laughable to try to fantasize about some 21 yr old Instagram model. They're hot, but boring.

Scott

Thank fuck Some actual thoughtful discussion I was starting to think all you guys did anymore was ironic riffs

SF

The comment section is even more whiny and annoying than usual today.

SF

The patreon comments get worse every ep

Dan

My embarrassment at the grocery store is when my University classmates find me working there.

Scott

I used to have the same supermarket phobia but looking back I have to put that down to the absolutely prodigious amount of kush I was smoking. I think it’s called paranoia… and social randomness within a commercial framework cushions unexpected interactions within futile gestures

Ian H

Yeah, in my memory of being a mildly awkward young guy in the aughts, the biggest proportion of my social interaction/flirtation/etc. with women my age came as a result of being a smoker in the time before widespread smartphones. Just having those regular intervals of like 5-15 minutes of being thrown into a random small group of people with nothing to do but talk to each other was huge, especially at shows or parties. I'm not sure if that avenue would exist if I was that age now, partially because of the (probably good, I've quit myself) decrease in smoking rates, but mostly due to smartphones. If everyone, including me, had had a boredom-erasing device in their pocket, there'd be no push factor to overcome the social anxiety of coming off as weird or obnoxious to a stranger, or of them being weird or obnoxious to you.

THEKILLERWHALE

I do not think they meant that you should lower your standards to axe murderer. Maybe just 3-4 out of 10's. Or axe murderers if they are 7/10's.

Juji Gatame

I was exaggerating for humour purposes but the last time I could even get a date she was indeed carrying a knife and asked if we could go back to mine and do drugs, I saod no. After listening to this episode I feel like Will would drive past in his Tesla Plaid and shout "do it man, standards are for suckers!" If she was carrying an axe though, agreed, that's hot, would have been into it

Poppy Chulo

A significant part of Isis was young men with no financial, marital, or sexual prospects. If you have a youth bulge and a generation of men who realize they won't ever really have enough money and will have to scrounge around for (generally unsuccessfully) for women you can get them to join an organization that promises just that, respect and money, and women. That's really what Isis appeal was to many of the young men who joined, Islam was incidental, a way for them to unify. What got them so pumped was actual decent wages (look up what Isis members were paid in Mosul and Raqqa) and guaranteed wives. Literal markets where you could go buy one. The leadership were largely motivated by ideology but the grunts were motivated by what every man wants. The same possibility exists in the United States and I think it's only going to get worse.

Adam Foster

I’m in Australia, you want me to burn a million barrels of oil flying to America for a live show???

Patrick Walsh

Chapo dating should be a show idea

Katie Doyle

I was essentially bedridden for months this year and needed instacart. The worst case shopper is one who doesn’t know where stuff is, which obviously isn’t a real problem bc you can text. I can’t imagine getting worked up beyond a groan to yourself about this stuff. I honestly get less upset at ableism than ppl crying ableism and associating disabled ppl with shitty, entitled behaviour. Addressing ableism is more straightforward than addressing the disease that makes someone mad at a leftist Twitter cat named Jorts, that’s terminal

otis

Maybe legalize prostitution? But noooo then suburban housewives will revolt because their husbands would 100% rather fuck someone else

Katie Doyle

@Jessica S Thank you! And ya I can confirm ladies are also not having sex! Most of my girlfriends are coupled up 5+ years except me and my one friend (who is a 10 in most categories honestly) and the two of us just straight up don’t have sex. Dating apps suck and after a certain age you don’t go to places that are prime for being picked up. That’s just how things are rn generally. If there’s any unevenness in terms of numbers it would likely be supplemented by all the people who are “ethically non-monogamous”

Katie Doyle

Obviously they’re not telling you to fuck someone dangerous just someone less idealistically good looking. And don’t worry girls are more scared of you than you are of them

Poppy Chulo

The problem is who has the money to be able to afford it? The prices are outrageous.

Nolan

Young men aren’t having sex because Rich Piana died

PublicMarkets

Co-sign Felix’s grocery shopping neurosis

riley bowers

Grocery slaves grocery slaves grocery slaves for all

Brendan A. MacWade

Liz Truss is just 47. That is 47 looks like? I'm 49 and I still look like 45 at most! None of these fucking kids will get that Parkland Hospital reference. Go Mavs. Also, how does Rod Dreher get away with emigrating to Hungry? Don't they have strict visa and immigration policies? Is he claiming asylum? Does he have enough cash to make the Hungarians let him in? It can't be easy. The far freer and democratic Republic of Ireland keeps denying me asylum year after year.

justdave

Rods tasting other mens salt, the liberal kittys been put down and i just quit the coolest job i ever had- the world's a' changin folks. Shit is happening!

Matelda

What do you mean by "surplus males"? In the US there are enough females for the number of males. Maybe we have a surplus class, or surplus of one gender within the middle class, created by conditions, but we don't have an overall gender imbalance. The loneliness is not a guy problem, it is just that frustrated male rage is the most attention-getting aspect. I don't know how it helps to talk about males in particular as being extraneous, even if you intend to suggest it as an injustice.

Daniel

Always like hearing the fellas talk about the disenchanted lost men who make up the sad underbelly of particular corners of the internet. Keeping it real and pushing back on all the charlatans that just tell these men “what they want to hear”, but also doing it in a pretty tender way. I think its quite nice, even if the subjects probably don’t want to think of themselves this way either. A little perspective helps! And yet unfettered access to the internet seems like just about the most corrosive thing to an individual having a healthy perspective. Tough scene

Matelda

I was an awkward girl in the aughts and took up smoking for this exact reason. We don't talk enough about how bad things are an important part of life.

B2B Commuter

Honestly, I wouldn’t be shocked if a significant number of those posts came from someone/s getting paid by the apps to cynically use disabled people to undercut any criticism of the their product.

etienne

takeing my ratio with dignity and grace

Post Void

Another underlying issue in modern personal relationships seems to be a lack of intimacy. This can be seen in all genders, let it be relationships forming of economic necessity, a culture centered around quick hook ups (pointing to say Tinder mentality), "emotional cheating" with AI apps, compounding emotional and societal baggage, a general lack of confidence or trust in our peers; and so on. In a world that spins off of a collective anxiety, most are innable to truly let their guard down and open themselves up to another person. As the corny line goes "There is Sex, and then there is Making Love"

Salt M. Bank

I liked Will’s consideration of a leftish dating advice channel, and what that would take, or whether that’s even worth doing. The majority of the lonely young men are getting dating & self-development advice from tiktok & youtube, and when they’re angry enough and lonely enough many of them will inevitably get scooped up by right wing grifter types. Now I don’t think the solution is “say acab or join DSA to score pussy” but I can envision how young men could have more online role models that are progressive and aren’t like thiel funded freaks. I don’t know either, but it’s an interesting idea!

Ian Rogers

Vaselines shoutout 😳

AKorgar

People just aren't learning to play the piana anymore either

hotspur

I think he means in the sense of surplus males to what is needed, ie, extra men that are not required for economic activity, so essentially irrelevant to the goings on of society. Not specifically a gender ratio. This is an undergirding metric for lots of historic world conflict--segments of population that have no utility and are made obsolescent, in large enough numbers, cause significant social instability.

Matelda

Then they arent surplus males, they're a class of surplus people. We have this in America, an impoverished population controlled by prisons & agencies, who exist as extras to suppress wages & prop up meatgrinding economies. Maybe I'm wrong but this seems different from the incels who are on their smartphones too much. The latter have as much utility as anyone can but the utility is alienated labor in an alienated world

AKorgar

For some reason the bigger the store the worse it makes me feel. This isn't a big-box store snobbery I should say, I think its the immense physical space makes me feel a bit overwhelmed

Matelda

I think Will is right that anyone can find love if they lower their standards, but some kids these days don't want to. This is what a comrade influencer needs to teach them: lower your standards young man, you can live it up down here in hideous reality

Joey

Jorts should have never apologized

C. Ries

They are surplus males because the ratio of woman fucking men is not 1:1. Anthropologists and geneticists have revealed that most males over human history didn’t pass on their genes.

C. Ries

The only solution is literally artificial waifus, whether they’re actually physical entities or not doesn’t matter because these men don’t want sex necessarily, just attention and validation from a feminine cheerleader. It’s not about getting laid, all of these guys would recoil from the concept of paying a sex worker. They want a tradwife helpmeet. For this reason, it’s also not about “lowering standards.” To them, more important than being a stereotypical Hollywood 10/10 is having a submissive and gracious attitude. Of course they’re going to be unhappy, no actualized woman is going to want to be that for them.

AKorgar

I don't like talking shit on phones because it makes me feel like an old man but I do remember walking down a hallway on my college campus and seeing all the students waiting for the previous class to end so they could go into the room, and every single one of them was looking at their phone. It was a little sad, I guess

Jö

Kit-Skag Bar. Molly Ranchers. Sour Patch Mids. Blow Pop.

AKorgar

Paging our himbo comrade, Hasan Piker

Matelda

Oh please. We didn't have this problem 20 years ago supposedly

Matelda

Not having a 1:1 ratio is not the same thing as having a reserve of aging male virgins. Most people fuck at least sometimes & most people partner up throughout history. We aren't a harem species.

Post Void

Ever go on Replika before? It's quite a trip

Megan

Hasan does an excellent advice show for this exact reason!

etienne

usually im number 1 chapo defender but i wanted to try my hand at whining at the show just to see

Subscriber 1

Dreher going orthodox and wallowing in self pity/hatred checks out. A better self comparison for him would be Raskolnikov fantasizing about becoming Napoleon but instead of axe murdering a pawn broker he tastes the salt of other mens bread and goes insane until he finally confesses for his grave sin and accepting gods will that he should suffer

Chubby Justin

I miss Madison Cawthorn. Remember when he fucked his cousin?

Friend of Pangolin

I don't think they were advocating for significantly lowering your standards (and getting murdered). Just don't let an unrealistic checklist get in the way of giving someone a chance. We are so quick to discount people.

AbeLinkin

Thoughtful discussion at the end, boyz

Axel H.

That was hot.

Marina

Such a great episode. Thoughts on the left reaching incels and disaffected guys: a thread 👇🏼 I think, Chapo boys, if you wanted to, you guys could be profoundly impactful in reaching out to men caught up in the incel pipeline. The whole “dirtbag left” label you have makes you more appealing to these guys then the hyper-woke Twitter crowd. This is because you act like normal human beings, not obnoxiously perfect models of tolerance and inclusivity who won’t acknowledge the alienation and suffering of lonely men. I really like how Hasan and Stav speak to these guys in their streams. They have a zero tolerance policy for the misogyny and entitlement to women’s attention. But they also offer a deep understanding and compassion as well. They also give simple, concrete advice to these guys to help them improve. Has always says “practice good hygiene, find a haircut that works for you, and be confident”. Stav laughs at them being entitled to women, but also says “I’m sorry for what you’re going through, brother, that’s tough. But you’re going to get back on your feet.” Women also need to be more compassionate to the awkward guys who fumble talking to us. We feed into the problem when we’re cruel to the weird, shy guy who tries to ask us out and we’re not interested. If we humiliate them needlessly when they aren’t being misogynistic or creepy, we shouldn’t be surprised when they resent us. EDIT: another commenter pointed out that women aren’t a single group that operate as a unit, but a group of individuals who make their own choices. Fair enough. I’ll amend the last paragraph to say that specifically women who humiliate “weird” guys to feel better about themselves should change their behaviour. And women being nicer is not a substitute for actually addressing the route causes of isolation and entitlement in these men.

justdave

Hear me out, 1:20 male to female and women fight to the death for the right to mate (but it's girls choice who to fight for I guess so it's fair)

Robert Karnick

We’ve gotten Dod Dreher’s the exorcist, it’s time for Rod Drehers At the Mountains of Madness

Jonathan Conklin

Learning about that jorts the cat thing was the biggest slap that maybe I'm well adjusted because I have never heard of any of this shit.

Misha the Homeless

"Just comb your hair and you'll meet someone!" This is 100% true, though; put on some clean clothes that fit well, take care of basic hygiene and grooming, don't say anything too fucking weird, and you will absolutely get more interest from women. You can be fat as long as you do those things. You can be ugly as long as you do those things. If you're stupid, even that's okay if you're at least polite. Most women try to present themselves well, and at the very least expect the same thing from potential partners. They're not asking much.

Medellin

Kevin Samuels was very popular and it involved telling young men that the world doesn’t owe you shit and that it just is what it is but here are steps you can take to improve yourself and by extension, improve your love life. A lot of these guys aren’t looking for a guarantee of anything except the most delusional, a lot of these guys are looking for SOMEONE to tell them you have innate self-worth.

otis

Yeah, I do. I'd really like to see a poll or study done.

William Beamish

I think it's just worth reiterating how absolutely insane it is to drive to the store your instacart shopper is at to yell at them for "being on their phone" (IE buying your shit)

etienne

getting insanely mad that my grocery delivery guy doesn't have a outdoor farmer's market movie montage moment and doesn't dip his hand in a bulk bag of barley like Amélie Poulain

Tim O'

It continues to be lame as fuck that live episodes aren't being released, so thanks for the shitty singsong dig about not being one of a few hundred people who could make it to the shows.

K102.1FM Mornings w/ Jonny Corndogs

"Should have gone to the live shows!" MF I'm working class. The last time I took a plane anywhere was before the underwear and shoe bombers of the 2000's. My last plane experience didn't involve getting forcibly jacked off by TSA and you could still easily sneak booze on the place.

THEKILLERWHALE

Yeah, people are complaining about this being a twitter dump but I'm on the other side. This is a hilarious story that I would have to be clinically insane to have first hand knowledge of, so let them tell me about it.

Forrest Taylor

Glad us virgins are finally getting an episode

Salt M. Bank

I realized after Hasan is doing that already lol

Mitch H.

Men aren't entitled to sex but we are to podcasts. Release the live shows

etienne

literally started hitting the tinder because of stuff that once-guest and host of Hell Of A Way To Die Francis Horton told me to clean up and go out

Tanner McCullough

Any chance those of us that want the live shows can have them? I'm willing to sponsor an incel to get them

Poppy Chulo

Is it really men's job to run interference for women and their often shitty attitudes?

myke as if

do u happen to remember which ep that was?

Evan Scott

Liz Truss's dad is a lefty math professor who like said in interviews that he thought she was awful so I think the deep cover thing might have some legs

Antipaganda

You poor bastard, you can't recognise compassion when it's aimed at you

Antipaganda

Did they fuck on stage Kyle? Is that the amazing thing we missed if we couldn't make it? Or was it just so they could attack the LA cops without getting shot?

etienne

ehhhhh whenever you have an extended "dad chat" segment you have a good chance they're gonna talk about dating for guys

H G

idk why the supposed "structural solution" everyone is pushing online is "women need to be more compassionate to men"; like telling these men that "if you smell bad, people will avoid you," "if you are combative, people will avoid you," "if you act controlling about how others are allowed to perceive your behavior, people will avoid you," is just telling them to pull themselves up by their bootstraps instead of practically handing them a speedrun on how to socialize that so many people adapted over the course of years of active socialization. Women are not some coherent structure that can dole out empathy, they are individual people who are encountering individual men often treating them as "structural" providers of compassion, sex, etc. If it feels like women avoid you identically/as a coherent group, it might be because you treat them that way on approach. Probably not interested in any of your eventual self-indulgent moments of realization: "oh, wow! women are also basically just individual people when you talk to any one of them?!"

Antipaganda

Nah, the housewives will get second jobs as prostitutes and earn more money, take some pressure off their fella and he can work less, win-win

etienne

no yeah actually it's fine. I wanted to throw something incendiary out there because I had an opportunity to get first post but they utilized those twitter flamewars to an efficient end here. still think we're due for a Movie Mindset thoe

Julian Perez

I liked this series on Rod Dreher, because, while obviously we have a great deal of affection for him because he's such a freak and absolutely psychologically transparent, lest we forget....he's actually not a great person, but a solipsistic whiner who abandoned his wife and kids to cavort around with college age Hungarians. He's not a good person, but more importantly, an extremely pretentious and hypocritical blowhard.

H G

this need for a instructive system for socializing that you can "game" seems tied to low self worth, but self worth is inherent and internal!! if you are committed to undermining yourself by saying you're a piece of shit or a weirdo, there is no one external who can credibly override that. if it feels insane or impossible to just affirm "I am worthy of love, I'm a full person," then how will you take it (or them) seriously when someone presents you with generosity and love? for some if there are no instructions on how to be the best (or "better than") at socializing, then learning isn't worth it since you can't peg your all your confidence/self esteem/self worth to it, against non-stop self-criticism

Mark Schneider

I think you 3 fellas really hit the nail on the head about 30 minutes in on young males' unreasonable expectations. In 2006-09 I was teaching high school sociology and had students do group projects on Subcultures (norms, beliefs, inclusion/exclusion etc.) & a male student chose "Pick-Up Artists" and got some collaborators. Anyway, I get why these young guys with no access to women except media tropes are suicidally or homicidally depressed and sad. Neoliberal hegemony means no real community, suck it young women & men!!

C. Ries

Most people partnered up because of patriarchy (women were not allowed to support themselves) and/or arranged marriages.

Dan

I have to say: Better than the movie reviews.

etienne

love to listen to the Khomeini Hallal Souq to learn that the problem with young men these days is that they're on the phone all day and injure their moral fiber with pornography and they're just extra bodies because we don't have a counter-crusade going on and they need to go outside talk to people (at the mosque) and marry a modest wife [user has been sentenced to 10 lashes for this post]

Jonathan G

i keep thinking they're saying george takei

KatrinaJadeHelm

Can’t have a right to sex without infringing on the more important right to say no to sex, so combatting the incel-ing of America will have to look elsewhere to fix the problem. But it’s a problem worth fixing: we are heading towards catastrophe and need to be there for each other. Sad!

Sirloinofice

Please talk about Twitter wars more often. I loved this episode.

Matelda

Well not in the 90s when everyone was fucking too much

Dan

Young males have no idea what intimacy is because there is basically no space for it in their lives. You can blame phones, but you also have to blame the stress on the family unit, the education system’s obsession with the wrong things, and the quality of their entertainment. It’s no wonder they all want to be mega chads- because they’re genuinely bewildered by their world, starving for feeling and understanding while covering for it with shallow irony and memes.

Bobby Volcano

Felix divinely inspired by the Gods of Podcasting to do "grocery shopping while single" bits. My Gods are awesome Gods!

etienne

every single civil agency and office in Hungary is going to lose, forget, accidentally mangle, misplace, mis-label, mis-address, or otherwise fuck up Rod's immigration papers. Rod is accidentally going to become stateless.

Mosie

Critical support for comrade jorts ✊🏻

Greg

yea same with bean-dad, I love learning about this internet stuff from the boys

kenton

statistically i'm in the 10% of men having 90% of the sex

kenton

You're not doing the math correctly. Most men do not reproduce. Most women do. Paradoxical as it may sound, you have twice as many female ancestors than males.

kenton

All of your math is wrong. That actually is what women do. The dudes who have sex tend to have multiple partners, and the guys at the top are having almost all of the sex.

Nolan

Please review the Fox crime drama ‘The Cleaning Lady’

NewTooshFatoosh

“Leftists” worshipping capitalist machinations because it might help like 10 people. Lol. Great coverage.

Kevin C

The crimes of jorts must be televised

MKatieUltra

For leftist dating takes, we do at least have Hasan doing Chadvice. He’s always saying most guys can be at least a 7 if they take care of themselves (mostly true imo).

parker

I think unironicallly people underestimate how hot being able to file your taxes and maintaining family relationships in a healthy way are too women. Aka being a reliable person who cares.

Marina

Another highly attractive trait: taking care of your home environment, even if you live with other roommates in a crappy basement apartment. When I see a guy with a clean kitchen and an all-purpose spray in his bathroom I’m like OOOH BOY. It’s the little things that show me you’re an adult. Don’t clean up for me, clean up for yourself because you care.

Poppy Chulo

Yeah that's the actual term.

Marina

This is 100% fair. However, I think two things can be true at once. I don’t say that a “women be nicer challenge” is a systemic solution by any means. Especially when women continue to be victimized by men due to the ✨patriarchy✨. I agree with you, women are individuals, and it’s silly to address all women as a monolith that can be instructed. The systemic solution is broader and requires all the economic, social, and class reforms that leftists advocate for all the time. At the same time, I personally think that *some* women should be kinder to disaffected men instead of labelling them as simps and losers. Not all women do this, so not all women need to change their behaviour. As a secondary and less important effort, I think it could make a positive change while we work towards the broader goals of leftism.

Marina

@Myke Me, or etienne? :) I’m referring to Hasan’s advice on his Twitch streams and in his Chadvice segment. For Stav, I’ve listened to a few of his “Stavvy solves your problems” streams! The one with Tim Dillon was fun.

Poppy Chulo

Well yeah, women overwhelming tend to date a small subset of men, and those men tend to date most of those women. It's called hypergamy.

Marina

I wish there was a way to know you were in the good ole days while you were still in them :/

Poppy Chulo

I don't know your face is pretty scary.

etienne

oh yeah absolutely

More Human than Human

The “incel” shit is the most overblown internet/media creation ive ever seen in my life. Everyone out here is fucking dead inside and trying to find something resembling human community and shared meaning. Having sex, or even a relationship sure as hell doesn’t fix that. A romantic relationship carry the weight of “human social needs”; not even close. Wether someone is banging or not is irrelevant to the social disintegration we face

J.P. McD.

Women from online love it so much when I make clear plans without hemming and hawing, just “Friday 7:30 at Cocktail Bar?” Easiest thing in the world and I get so much extra credit because of how bad all other dudes are at it.

Doug Cartel

jorts the cat or george zakat? make up your mind

Doug Cartel

ok, so the lack of sex apparently doesnt have anything to do with the commodification of time and space to the point where there's literally nowhere to go to just hang out and socialize because if you're not going to pay for something then it's 'loitering', it's just uhhhh we need a sex amendment or something? kidding but in addition to the stuff you talked about with smartphones and all that, the force pulling from the other direction is the fact that there's less and less places to just socialize, and the sheer cost of just going to a second location makes it even harder to just meet people in general. commodifying space and time to the point where there's no reason to leave your place unless you're buying something.

Austin Heath

As a Michigander I have to say I'm disappointed you boys aren't coming back on this tour. C'mon now.

TangiePower

I know the boys have referenced “The Stand” by Stephen King but it’s a really good book from 1978 that deals in part with incel mass shooter bullshit. The portrayal of this stuff is really vivid - the fact that it’s 50+ years old kinda fucked me up. Some people say America doesn’t have a culture - but it does - and it’s stuff this. America is a factory that manufactures fucked up dudes like this.

kenton

Whatever science dummies call it, my point is that it's a very old biological strategy, not a consequence of modern culture or capitalism :)

orc

"Leftist Dating Coach" is an amazing new lathe-of-heavened persona, look forward to seeing him in 6 months

Demented Avenger

I’m listening to Chapo, waiting for my edible to kick in to put on the Pink Floyd, and how does Chapo help? Chapo brings me Rod. This shit about Dante is probably even funnier high. Edit: holy shit, being stoned really enhances the Rod experience. Serpents spilling out mouths.

Mangomoosh

Kokomo kids would love that shit

I am become reply guy

Yea this cat thing is bizarre. Twitter feels like a bunch of people arguing with a mirror.

Null_null

Missed opportunity to have Going To The Store Expert Jesse Farrar on the program.

Harry P. Ness

spend ten seconds on any kind of smut exchange internet space and try not to be horrified at the comments

Harry P. Ness

Please make this free. Maybe I'm just old like you guys but you're making important points on important topics here

Boaz Corey

The conversation about sexually frustrated men made me sad imagining all these lonely angry people. Maybe it's my hippie family, but I don't really understand this culture where men only know each other and their only possibility for friendship and sincere interaction with women is via a exclusive romantic relationship. My parents both had close friends of the opposite sex while I was growing up and so have I. The points about online addiction and alienation seem to cut deeper than just sexual frustration, like people are just having trouble making friends in general.

Logan

It's already here. Just search "Stavvy Solves" in youtube

Logan

Left wing dating coach already exists. Search "Stavvy Solves" videos. Hell the Chapo Boiz had Stav on to give relationship advice multiple times.

Dan

It’s both man. Sexual repression and social disintegration can, and do happen simultaneously.

Logan

If you want to be super dumb and annoying say the following: Ever since Stavros dishonored his Cum podcast, the Baltimore media titans have been attacking him. And it seems like William Menaker (the William Tweed of podcasts) and his goons have understood this. Recently Chapo has supported Tom Myers and TAFS in their respective Halkias-based squabbles. It's disappointing to see blatant ableism against people with hardlittledicks.

David Heslin

Broke: right to sex Woke: right to access all Chapo content

Coleman

You still said it, though.

Scott Blance

In those segments one can only assume Stavros was trying to be funny more than offer any serious commentary on relationships. He's a comedian and idk much of him but he's definitely not known for being a "dating coach" whereas the folks chapo mentions are well known for their sincere thoughts and advice about dating/women c'mon

etienne

picturing Rod using the x-wing bomb computer display to show him where the pussy is

etienne

it's a joke about white people who name their children stuff like Mckaighleigh or Braxtynn

Folks,,

You guys don’t want to and shouldn’t be lifestyle coaches but there was some real trenchant stuff about being a young man here. Please consider making it free

Hector Jaime

Seems like the sex rights people are taking a page from the medical marijuana folks. Now if you are depressed or your neck hurts, you can go to a “doctor” to prescribe a blow job.

AbeLinkin

Will is doing better than all the guys that they were referring to. Pretty sure a lot of these incel types fantasize about their “virgin whore” that they think is out there.

etienne

it's *the* language of neoliberalism. "right" to housing, "right" to health care, "right" to education. "right" to private property if you're going back to the anticommunist panics. It's understandable that some people lose the ability to phrase things in any other term

Josh Woods

who up tasting they man's bread salt

Michael

Never mind his parents, I want to know what sister Ruthie would think about Rod getting in to heaven...

Hector Jaime

Also the boys seem to be pretty terrible at political predictions. Build back Boris is dead and Rushi is still in the running. AND grocery stores are not sad; don’t you enjoy the cereal aisle at least?

markers

DONT KILL JORTS YOU LAZY INSTACART ASSHOLES

teacup

I don't know, the Kanye vs. Kim election faceoff seems probable to me

Alexandr

I just hope she speaks with a deep Black affect. "Daaaamn what they mean dis MF getting into heaven??? My ass busted itself off 20-foh-7 forEVER and I get in, he gets to be a little bitch-ass ho and come in??"

chris dray

i had to learn what this jorts the cat shit was after listening to this segment, and i want to die. the ENTIRE thing was that he told this woman who drove all the way to the store to harass her instacart shopper to go buy her own groceries. that's the ENTIRE story. if you think that that's "ableist", then that word doesn't mean anything

calvin kilby

I work in a grocery store and they're fucking depressing as shit, dude.