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BONUS: Will Talks To Rail Workers (Patreon)

Published:
2022-12-04 21:04:44
Edited:
2022-12-05 14:12:34
Imported:
2026-06

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Will talks to Ross Grooters, co-chair of Railroad Workers United, Deven Mantz of BMWED Teamsters, and Jonah Furman of Labor Notes about the tentative agreement being forced on railroad workers, the demands of the unions, and where organizing goes from here.

Visit www.railroadworkersunited.org to support the union.

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Stolen Valor (edited)

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2026-09-09 10:00 🐖
2022-12-04 21:10

Claire Casey

Weezer ft Caleb on the YouTube

Sean

I liked the friendly "they destroy my lovely track by running their trains over it" back and forth at the beginning

Yairo Martis

This is a good companion piece to Jonah's interview article in Jacobin and Labor Notes.

Yairo Martis

Squee! (This is the good slop though)

Null_null

Vegetables. I’ll take it.

Jay

I’m a socialist with crippling autism and this recent even has made me so happy

K H

Fucking painful. This was cope. You fucking LOST. It wasn't Republicans that failed you, it was Democrats, it was AOC. They KNEW it would get filibustered like every fucking thing. If you can't strike as labor you have NOTHING. You will keep getting scared and keep voting Democrat and you will keep fucking L O S I N G. If you can't understand that you lost you can't win. If the RLA is allowed to exist then RLA workers need to have MAJORITY control of any executive board parent company that owns their company. If campaign donation bribery is free speech then so is striking. RLA workers need to get coordinate and get truckers and dock workers on board and demand worker control of every executive board in the country. This is historic in that it's an embarrassment and as grown men you were told to shut up and take it, and now you will, and they're going to do it again because they think it means something to have a house pass failed legislation. THEY KNOW IT WILL FUCKING FAIL AND THATS WHY THEY PASS IT! FUCK!

K H

Hell yea dude. This guy gets it.

David Proffitt

I cannot get the link to work. I tried it on 2 browsers, Please fix if you can.

riley bowers

Talk of nationalizing the rails there made me stiff love it I hope folks like this are the future of labor

j

krill forever

etienne

I listened to like 20 hours of podded casts about this impending strike in particular and about trains in general over the last 3 months because I am a giant foamer and I love trains, is this still worth listening? I can probably recite their talking points better than they do [edit] I guess a forced back to work law is a surprising enough development that I should, probably

Roger Peet

railroadworkersunited.org

Claire Casey

One thing I know is a single mam named Caleb, well he has something to say about this.

Peace (edited)

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2026-09-09 10:00 It's great that you guys talk to actual workers and about actual labor issues rather than just scream at people to read Marx like many of the "socialists" on the bird app. More of this, please.
2022-12-04 23:48

Frances Mary

They try to buy off railworkers with pizza parties too? I thought that was just us nurses getting the pizza party shaft.

Tom Joad

This is what I ultimately love about chapo. I enjoy the comedy, but the meat and potatoes stuff like this ep is what keeps me around.

Starry Pr1nce

1 vote for this ep to be free to listen if it's not already, can't tell.

Michael

There are some prominent leftists who haven’t gone to the trouble to examine the union angle in addition to the “Dems suck” angle. And that is a shame. Thank you for bringing this hugely important context. We won’t get a better Squad without a better power analysis.

Michael

And pleeeease make this free so I can share with some Jimmy Dore-ass comrades before it’s too late!

cwen

Michael

This is a Wendy’s.

K H

Wendy's is for closers.

Michael

Hehe. I mean you make good points and I generally agree. But I think the interviewees are on the right side with you.

William

Yep. As a coach, I can say this is how you keep your team motivated and looking forward to the next step. You don't try to ease people who are new to the game into the cold bath of defeat, you just throw them in there and beat them over the head yelling about how you lost. This will get rid of the useless "rank and file" chaff and leave you with a hardcore 1-2 people who you can rely on for the next big game/match/fight, etc.

William

People like you are fucking retarded. You think Marx would've been able to write half his shit without Engles' financial support? But no, everyone who doesn't have a blue collar is the fUckINg eNEmY

William

I would like to share my admiration of you, with you. You must be so smart and learned - a railroad mind samurai

K H

Fuck the children.

etienne

I just got a book in the mail that purports to tell me how rail roads work - to later be stored next to the 3 other books I own about american rail roads. I am only beginning my journey of the path of the knowledge

Andrew M

the train guy fucks over the train workers. what a fucking scumbag lol.

SolomonGrundy

It's universal. I'm a process engineer for Big Pharma and they do it every time people start quitting lol.

Dyyyyylan

Forever and ever

Ted

I work for a Canadian airline, and we are seeing the same assault on worker's rights up here! Infrastructure workers, we have leverage!

Tyler Pittman

These guys were waaaay too soft on the Dems holy fuck

John

ok

James Browning

Yeah this needs to be free and available on all the streaming platforms. Too important to keep behind a pay wall. So informative and insightful. Nice work Will.

Null_null

I agree they should do all the hard work of educating and organizing they’re currently doing. Thank you for yelling on the Internet about it, btw.

K H

They should stop defending democrats in any way. Stop advocating for them. Stop voting for them. Stop lying to membership thar they will be in any way useful. One guy said expanding outside of the union and scaring the company by calling for nationalization, that is correct. They need to be scared at a fundamental level. Negotiating these small extensions of human dignity is a losing strategy, it's not respected, being reasonable is subjective and also meaningless.

G. Gordon Litty

The link should end in .org instead of .com

Epicfetus

this was a great piece. thanks for having these two guys speak their thoughts

Tan Tan

“Pelosi came out on Monday and they said we’re gonna HAMMER this thing down” haha nice

I am become reply guy

Don’t remember who said it but the idea of the railroads being used as a bank by the interests that control it is very instructive. The regulatory state and its infrastructure have been dismantled and sold off over the last 50 years so a small, obscenely rich cohort of cruel men could make even more money. Let’s start calling it what it is: wealth transfer; public wealth being liquified and stolen by a ruling class of do-nothing shitheads so they can juice their margins.

Andrej Žižek

Listening from EU, this is just mind blowing to me...

Hector Jaime

These are my favorite types of episodes, but I also wish they were the ones that didn’t have to happen. Help me understand as a dumb person. Can Joe Brandon do an executive order mandating sick leave?

Hector Jaime

Jimmy dore-ass comrades should have to pay double

Ian H

I mean, they sort of have to be? I also disagree that the house progressive caucus was worth a damn on this, and think that to let themselves be had by the split bill trick again they'd either have to be so stupid they should be recalled for incapacity or in on the con. These guys though, even if they represent a more radical and grassroots sector within their unions, still do a lot of their organizing on Capitol Hill, and it would be stupid of them to terminally piss off the closest thing they have to allies just to be correct on a podcast.

K H

You got it. Rail, aviation, and dock workers should be coordinating. I don't know how to get the truckers since they don't have anything yet.

K H

I'd rather fight alone than with someone that stabs your back at the critical moment. What value do democrats add to this relationship? I'm not seeing it.

K H

That is the wrong way to view it. The rail companies would have granted sick leave if a strike was allowed to take place. Workers have direct power outside of the political system. Joe Biden signaled multiple times he wouldn't let them strike. Joe Biden and Democrats only needed to stay out of the way. Any executive order will be challenged in the Supreme Court and since Hobby Lobby and others don't have to give birth control access because of...religous reasons(?)it is safe to assume rail companies would get some kind of protection where they can't be compelled to give sick leave. Honesty, this is workers taking action outside of the completely corrupt and mutant formal political system and having it shut down. This sets a precedent that your option aside from voting for people that don't care is NOTHING. Worse it was enabled by """""progressives.""" Railway, aviation, and other workers are bound by the railway labor act and as workers "critical" to infrastructure can not strike without being released by a government mediator to do so and as you've seen now, can be blocked from striking by Congress. Exactly what they would do about it if they did it anyway, I don't know. The problem is if you take an "illegal" work action, not only can you be severely fined, you can simply lose your job and many of the specialized skills are not easily transferable to another field of work. So most will be too scared to call the bluff of an insipid government. So we fall a little further down. This could be solved by prepping a general strike ahead of time, but something like paid sick leave is too small a demand to rally around. It's give me freedom or give me death, not give me a tiny amount of dignity or give me death.

Kinetics Video

I went into listening to this thinking last time there was a left backlash against the squad Chapo took a conspicuous indifferent stance to it, I wonder what we'll see this time. And there we go, another deflection for AOC et al. I'm not a dissatisfied hog or anything, sometimes your slop has an editorial slant. The discerning hog adjusts and moves on.

Jonathan G

I'll bite. My Dad has BMW ED

Mark Schneider

Dems play the Washington Generals to the R's Harlem Globetrotters, good cop who tricks you into confessing to the R's violent head-banger & nice mom who gives you a warm beverage after mean dad R beats or rapes you anally. I hate myself for ever giving Bernie $$$ 'coz he keeps people in the con for his "friend" Joe. This country is fucked, everyone with an IQ above 2 digits knows it (whether they admit it or not)

E G

Can I give double likes for the phrase “Jimmy Dore-ass comrades?”

Alex Gullen

Mick Lynch, RMT union boss in the UK perfectly explains the private lease ownership setup of all the rolling stock in the UK by a few banks/financial institutions. Extracting all profits of any operators, crushing workers and destroying quality of service for users, whilst constantly racking up higher ticket prices. Brutal.

K H

Matt has brought up that it is pointless to view politicians(specifically referencing AOC) as good or bad, because they are tools. What matters is the capacity to which they can actually be used. Apparently that capacity for AOC is effectively 0. She should be protested and removed along with any other weakly entrenched progressives as a message and warning. They did also call out AOC for falling into the anti semitism narrative around Israel. I've honestly found that any politician that can't articulate that Israel is basically evil, can just be discounted. They are willfully blind to too much. I use to consider it a niche issue, but find it is actually a consistent and easy gut check. As soon as they run apologetics for Israel you know they've had the talk and gotten their mind right.

Shiv

i think it was in Nickel and Dimed where Barbara (RIP) learned to hate the customers who would disrupt her perfectly folded clothing displays at W*lmart

Kinetics Video

Are you taking about that letter the CPC hilariously buckled on? I don't remember what was said on Chapo exactly, I don't think it spoke very much to "squad's critics are right to complain" or not so much as it was very funny how thoroughly they bitched out on that one. I'll review the point if you have a timestamp.

LizardQueen666

Can someone give me the run down on the tension between WSWS &labor notes?

Poppy Chulo

A lot of the institutional failures and purposeful labor shortages described in this interview match the hospital systems i've worked for. We're talking surgery, not enough techs for sterile processing and abysmal pay, same for the scrub techs. We're talking about people who make sure when you get an operation the hundreds to thousands of instruments are decontaminated, sterilized and assembled correctly. We're talking about people in surgery making sure the surgeon has what he needs and assists in the operation. We're talking MRSA and nosocomial infections. To a greater degree every facet of most (if not all) hospital systems are degraded while the hospital administration is incredibly bloated and top heavy. And this is true at "nonprofit" hospitals especially. That is all to say if our supply chains and hospitals are shells of what they should be, what else is breaking?

Fernando

The guy said .. fuck Joe Biden. Great

Ian H

I mean, personally yeah I agree, but right now, having not prepared the resources or organizational capacity for a wildcat strike, it makes sense from their perspective to keep their powder dry for 2025 or whenever. The dems writ large, and the "progressive caucus" in particular may have been worse than useless this time around, but there's no predicting how they might behave if the balance of forces were to meaningfully shift between now and then.

Brad M

Really it's more Lenin people need to read. You can't elect socialist politicians and you can't reform capitalism into socialism. Everyone read Lenin.

Jacob

Please, please please interview some local strike captains from the UC system strikes going on right now. Exactly the same shit is happening: the bargaining team is playing politics and settling every step of the way and the rank and file are getting screwed and being cut out of negotiations. It needs more visibility! Great interview, thanks as always.

THEKILLERWHALE

I mean, those are probably the two worst things to break but I get your point. Everything is degrading everywhere. There is increasing wealth capture at the top and no resources for even the basics of a functioning society.

drewb

if there was any justice in the world Mick Lynch would be PM right now, absolute unit of a man

K H

This wards me away from getting surgery. I think people do not realize the connection between understaffing and rampant MRSA. They just assume it is an inevitable product of our sciences.

Matthew Dickinson

Thank you for this episode. My union is headed into a strike and I’m really seeing the need for internal organization. It’s great to hear from Jonah and actual current members of the rail unions. Solidarity forever

bruce

This speaks to your obsession with AOC more than it does anything else.

Casey Kiesling

Retitle the episode "Will Gets Railed"