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690 - Recovery Side Quest feat. TrueAnon (12/19/22) (Patreon)

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2022-12-20 03:12:14
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2022-12-20 03:12:39
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Our good friends Liz and Brace of TrueAnon stop by to help us send off The Year of the Smile. We discuss their mini-series on Synanon, a substance rehabilitation program turned violent cult, and how it relates to all sorts of American phenomenon: from 1950’s acid tests to the modern Troubled Teen Industry. We also discuss the state of our collapsing tech/media infrastructure, the Epstein case, and why the government should begin issuing quests to citizens.

Check out TrueAnon’s excellent miniseries The Game starting here: https://soundcloud.com/trueanonpod/the-game-part-1-dopefiend, 

and the rest on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/TrueAnonPod

Tickets for the Hell on Earth launch show/party @ Littlefield in NYC 1/20/23 here: https://littlefieldnyc.com/event/?wfea_eb_id=479703214227

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Shfifty_five

For one, you're not even correct, a lot of poorer kids in the criminal justice system have been diverted to these camps and many middle and lower middle class parents have been bled dry by these companies claiming they could "fix" their kid. Secondly, lots of children were physically and sexually abused while some died or "dissappeared". Suicide and drug abuse are common afterwards. Do you think they targeted the rich, well connected ones?

Shfifty_five

AA and AA meetings are incredibly variable and depend on the people. It wasn't for me but it helps a ton of people. Not sure if it's the program itself or people's, particularly Americans, proclivity toward narcissism and self pity that makes many meetings hard to bear but they're not all like that. The Buddhist based programs don't seem to have this issue but their audience and philosophy differ. If you're really curious you should just go to a meeting.

Josh Woods

The elites fear this crossover.

original gay pussy eatah

Matt Christmas quit calling me in the middle of the night I will not pee on you

kenton

limited hang

orc

oh cool TrueAnon coming onto the normie CIA podcast 🙄

Dr Nermal Funkenstein

Having gone through my own relatively normal and positive rehab experience, their Synanon episodes bugged me the fuck out.

etienne

what if my dick was small call that limited hung

IHaveHemorrhoids

Synchronicity. Just finished the final episode of their Synanon series. Fresh out of rehab myself and finding myself grateful for having gotten true, professional, humane therapy. TrueAnon rules.

Megan

congrats on rehab graduation! 🥳

Ryan W

Got a Daniel Bryan ‘Yes’ chant going in a room full of extended family when I got this notification

Satcomdaemon

Bummer to not be able to get Virgil's take on troubled teens...

William

Lol truanon has ceased to be anything other than normie for the last half year or so

Chubby Justin

Side quests are a much better alternative to these stupid ass "national service" ideas.

Chubby Justin

Also sending quests to citizens is something the government is actually structured for. All they can really do is how contractors to perform value-added tasks. The only skill most feds have is managing contacts or auditing the people who do the actual work.

Kentucky Shitlib

Just finished TrueAnon's "The Lamest Show on Earth", about Elon, from a couple years ago. Masterclass investigators.

Calvin Bishop

As a former addict Brace hit the nail on the head with the lack of purpose preventing rehabilitation. I was only able to finally kick it when i found something to do with my life that made me feel like I didn’t deserve to be an addict forever

Shiv

no Rudyard at the Kickback!

Gordon Schmidt

I wanted to shout "Year of the motherfucking smile, bitch!" at the DC show but I chickened out so I'll just post it here

NYCM&AHole

My grandfather used to be able to buy dexadrine over the counter, so boomers didn’t need a prescription for their amphetamines.

Steph

actually fucking bonkers how these episodes come out at these times of my life

Bobby Volcano

Year of the Smile is a very entertaining show. Travel if ya gotta.

Kaleidoscope Chameleon

I have the "Get Pussy" quest right now but the quest guide is an old man who keeps crying and talking about how terrible Marxism is? is there a patch for this?

Lulu

I wonder if Brace takes trazodone. It gives me crazy lucid dreams.

jay alan

Fellow addict checking in. Peace y’all, great ep. 🙏🏻💖

Ellen Harold

Maybe the solution is grandchildren?

ineedsleep

The Synanon series made me stop being a clown and become a patron.

Jacob

The 95-96 Bulls of podcasting

Clean Shirt Piggie

My dad converted to Catholicism, was blinded in ww2, then conceived 6 children so you may have some details wrong about blind guys

Martin Ross

Ha ha ha definitely couldn’t be me looking for myself on Craigslist missed connections at age 17. Ha ha ha, what a funny anecdote that I can in no way relate to 💀

Government Acid

I was so moved by Brace's story here! I was actually caught up in an eerily similar cult from ages 15 to 19, and the things it does to you are unreal. The group I was in was called the Palmer Drug Abuse Program, founded by a guy named Bob Meehan, and formed a larger model of substance abuse recovery called Enthusiastic Sobriety The things he described are things that me and everyone I knew at the time experienced: having your parents pay a big samoan dude to physically come and kidnap you, being sent to the work farms / "wilderness retreats" in MT/ID/UT, it was almost eerie hearing someone else describe it. And of course the toll it took on everyone. Of that whole social cohort I was in of like 20 or 30 people, every one of us but myself and 3 others are dead now, and I'm only 27. You had kids coming in for getting caught smoking weed who'd become so horrifically traumatized that they'd come out habitual heroin users by age 16 or 17. So anyways. I commend Brace for being able to share what happened to him, and bringing light to what goes on in those programs. And huge thanks to Chapo for having him and Liz on to talk about it! Healing, man. What a thing.

Scott Miller

This idea dovetails very nicely with my idea for a treasure-based economy.

Matthew Dunn

Suggestion for Felix for This is Sus. Should definitely do an episode on Yellowstone. The show is so ridiculous and is watched by millions. It demonstrates every idiotic thing about the conservative movement.

Rye

Maslow plagiarized the hierarchy of needs pyramid from the Blackfoot Nation.

Doug Cartel

there's a YT channel called Azeal where the user interviews people through VR chat, and they did a few videos on gay conversion camps, and imo the way they function implies a direct connection between torturing kids for petty theft and torturing them for being anything other than being straight. Probably the same folks involved in both categories.

JV

podcasters come together and invent ARGs

Doug Cartel

my maslow pyramid has women's collarbones right at the base

William

Idk why there's so much fucking emphasis on "breaking them down" in these situations as if people are condemned buildings that need to be destroyed. You don't do a controlled burn on your garden if there's a few weeds (or a lot of weeds). It's like people don't understand there's a whole different option of cultivating the garden through (potentially years) of hard, menial work. "Breaking people down" seems like you're trying to short cut that. I'm not experienced enough to be able to say anything outside of the metaphor though

Terrance McDonald

I am an addiction, counselor, and I’ve been in the field for a few years. The one thing you realize right away is that the people who get paid the most are the worst people you’ll ever meet in that field. That’s probably not exclusive to just addiction counseling. But, I interviewed at this place that had like literal shit leaking out of the pipes onto peoples beds and the owner drove a range rover.

Ian H

I mean, that's why he had the Range Rover, right? Plumbers/plumbing costs money, the less of that money he spends the more goes to him. It's a similar model all over the healthcare sector, like in the ProPublica hospice story Chapo talked about a few eps back. These "providers" assume a fixed income per patient, whether from Medicare/Medicaid or out-of-pocket, and then seek profitability exclusively through cost-cutting. Actually providing care is the enemy of the surplus they're trying to protect.

etienne

is the AA stuff from Infinite Jest accurate? it seemed to basically cross match with what I read on, and I will hugely show my ass here, on Slate Star Codex

Doug Cartel

no amy winehouse outro song, 0/10 worst episode etc

William

Based upon the rest of the Chapo catalog, I'm leaning towards a 3.9/5 for this episode. As an average listener who hasn't experienced much at all with "substances" let alone substance abuse, I can see how someone who has would rate this episode higher. Upon further review - the bits that do happen are pretty average for this group.

etienne

are you going to keep doing that?

SH

Release the avatar review will.

Rachel B

excited for williams review on the chapo ep about super diarrhea

C. Ries

It was so mid. I feel trolled by Will

C. Ries

Government sponsored larping with paintballs and nerf foam swords

Do Golems Dream of Ceramic Sheep

A buddy of mine is in AA; he says that _a lot_ of AA people wind up becoming dog walkers (including him). Does kinda fit the whole questing vibe. A life of escort quests, but quests nonetheless.

James Roche

This ep flew by. Always great to hear TrueAnon come on.

The Cheerful Comrade

That is the theme music for True-Anon's podcast mini series, 'The Game' they were discussing on this episode.

Jessica Rios

Brace has had the most insane life.

justdave

Living in a 'clean home' in 2014 Iwas basically conscripted by the British navy. I did menial labor, construction, office work and was even forced to help fight a forest fire where 2 people I worked and lived with died. We were paid 2.50 an hour. They fed us avocados and bean burgers. I drove by the place the other day (names changed) now they have a fleet of vans and high end solar panels all over the incredibly shitty property

Terrance McDonald

The sober, housing industry is just as bad! You are very right. There’s a little to no regulation in most of the states in America. Some of the sober houses my clients lived in, were like unbelievably unsanitary.

James FitzGibbon

true anon guy really stuck with the 11th tradition on this one. props

TangiePower

Epstein ain’t goin away.

justdave

Riddley Scott >James Cameron

Null_null

Ummm excuse me I know all this shit already! I better be getting an extra special bonus pile of slop this week. JK. Surprised how many Grey Wolves hadn't already listened to the TA Synanon series. Really raises some questions. For instance, if you're not supporting the only anti-pedophile podcast fighting the sicko elite, which side are you on?

ceifeiro

I haven't played this one yet, but I hope you all discuss how Synanon influenced César Chavez and his ultimately failed leadership of United Farm Workers.

Char Kelly

Really need a count for the number of times Brace talks about trazodone

MG

You are going to have to bring them right back to talk about the jfk drop

Saga

Touching on what Brave mentioned: when I was studying psych at uni, the professors used to say there were two types of student - those who wanted to diagnose themselves, and those who wanted to diagnose everyone else. I think we can blame the latter for the wholesale misappropriation of psych terms. It's amazing how adept they are at pinpointing complex cognitive issues, yet always seem to come to the conclusion that they're not the problem...

Sam Zeng

Has anyone seen coindexter?

Connor Green

You guys should do a show in Denver too.

dude

justdave

Maybe you're just gay?

Matthew Black

The intellectual history of _what people thought brainwashing was_ (it’s complete pseudoscience, like polygraphs) during the Cold War is super-interesting and worth a Chapo episode—it was completely bound up with anticommunism

Matthew Black

I take Bupropion and Sertraline together and I remember like 80% of my dreams now. It’s weird

Juan Sacchi

ARGENTINA CAMPEÓN DEL MUNDO CARAJOOOO 💙🇦🇷⭐️⭐️⭐️🇦🇷💙

Matthew Black

‘Enthusiastic sobriety’ is a perfect encapsulation of the ethos of these programs, why they’re absurd, why they can work for a while, and why they don’t

Matthew Black

Iirc it probably exaggerates the dismal/messed up aspects

Tam Mansilver

For anyone more interest in the topic, Reveal Presents podcast dedicated their first season to synanon and similar rehabs

Robert Karnick

Brace does a worse Pacino impression than Axiom and Manuel

Dan Baggar

very not surprised that the rating episodes guy has no experience with substances. not to discourage you, rating guy. I don't give a shit about what you do with your free time. knock yourself out.

Government Acid

Absolutely, like I was actually sober for I think it was a year and a half? two and a half years? and I relapsed during a bout of extreme depression caused by the horrific levels of abuse that I was experiencing every day, and I just remember how viciously cruel everyone became when they found out about it. that was the moment for me where I said to myself "y'know, I might keep going with this whole sobriety thing, but it absolutely is not going to be something that'll keep happening here." after about a year or two out of the program, I actually stopped altogether using things like narcotics, because wouldn't you know it, kids as young as 14 and 15 developing runaway habits with narcotics etc is usually a sign that there's, y'know, maybe a significant source of trauma somewhere in their environment? maybe?

William

@etienne yeah, until I get bored with it. It produces a few drops of dopamine and seems to also trigger people so why not

etienne

no yeah I feel the same about that trueanon opening patter where braces does like textbook sexual workplace harrassement as a bit and then they move on to the subject which is like, nuclear tests made on an impoverished urban neighbourhood, or something like that

Bobi Jon-son Kenobi

Matt still needs to watch it—he got cockblocked by COVID

etienne

what really hit me is the stuff about how you're in it for ever and you have to come to the meetings, which are obviously like insanely depressing, and then you can't hang out with normies either because they drink, so you hang out with other AA members. as you're saying, exaggerated for effect, but it seems to generally match the ideology of the 12 steps program edit: also sounds like ass and I wouldn't want to take part in this

etienne

goddam. here have a heart reacc and get that dopamine

Derwood

For real. One of the hardest parts of quitting was being like, “wait… that was my whole thing. What the fuck do I do now?”

Laurel

That is briefly mentioned. They put a pin in it.

YukiNukem64x

Wow I was trying to find out where and when the Trueanon Quebec show would be and all I got was sadness learning that Sison died on the 16th via the Trueanon twitter. : (

Marcus

What is my man in the picture wearing on his head?

Marcus

It's like every shitty thing the US has done was to stop communism.

Dan

One of the things I think John Mearsheimer gets right is that nationalism just exists, it's part of life in a world of nation states. Leftists can't seem to get it, liberals sometimes get it, because some of them are old enough when it was part of liberalism, but leftist like the chapo boys just don't. Daily quest? has the oppressiveness of liberal universalism taken it's toll yet? Good ep, good to see them talk addiction, even though Brace is generally annoying af.

skrrt vonnegut

Brace could have been a henchman for The Monarch but noooo he had to escape

I am become reply guy

Because stopping communism is just putting down foreign democratic movements and putting gangsters in charge of those countries. We take away their right to self determination so we can keep stealing their resources and labor.

Zott23

…to the funny farm, where life is beautiful all the time! and I’ll be happy to see those nice young men in their clean white coats (Top notch drop in this ep)

DS

I want to be Brace Belden when I grow up.

Jessica S

Yes, this is so true.

Jessica S

Liz and her pinning.

Jessica S

It’s so crazy!

Jessica S

That’s really fascinating. We live in an apartment and have chatted with many a dog walker. I should start asking then if they’re in AA, lol. (Kidding)

Do Golems Dream of Ceramic Sheep

l mean "are you in AA?", bad thing to ask a stranger. "I heard there's a lot of AA people that walk dogs. Is that true?" Bad way to ask something that isn't such a bad thing to ask a stranger. At that point it's basically "Can you comment on this thing some guy on the internet's friend said?". okish fodder for a chat l think.

Jessica S

If you’re enjoying yourself, go with it

Jessica S

I’ve always thought that it seems a lot like the dreariness of Christianity, where you have to admit your powerless with the help of something bigger than you. I personally process that negatively, but I know that’s not true for everyone.

Lulu

I take buproprion too, but I haven't noticed any effect on dreams. I don't remember any of the lucid dreams but it just feels crazy as its happening.

Bill

Is scent of a woman about a blind guy? lmao that's hilarious, never seen it

123naptime

ugh if I wanted to hear two former rich kids (now rich adults) compare troubled teen camps to prison in grossly stupid terms, Idk, I can probably find that on MSNBC yeah? also, def expected more of a class-informed take from this "socialist" pod ... class is super relevant to a discussion about the troubled teen industry. troubled teens are wealthy, poor kids just go to straight to fucking prison. where Brace apparently thinks they all get appeals (even though 97% of criminal cases nationwide end in pleas, meaning no appeals) come on guys!!!! this sucked!

Adam Faux

you heard it here folks - the true leftist take is that its not real child abuse if the kids being abused aren't poor 👌

123naptime

the true leftist take is to acknowledge that class plays a huge role in who goes to these camps, how they operate and why they are allowed to persist

Adam Faux

do you want brace to apologize for the fact that his trauma wasn't perpetuated in the appropriate venue? there's a reason they did a whole series specifically on this topic - because it pertains to brace's real life experiences.

Jenn

Every time I listen to TrueAnon I have no idea what the are talking about after ten minutes, this is no exception.

Ian Woods

I just lost The Game. Fuck - had a long streak too

Cooper Rodgers

I told my mom about The Game once, thinking I could get one over on her. She said she had known about the game since High School, in a rural Canadian logging town. So I think The Game has been with us for quite sometime

Of course

I just unsubbed TrueAnon 2 weeks ago to take a break. Honestly, I think the dirtbag left scene is running out of steam. I don't blame them: I just listen, and I'm exhausted.

Caesaro

Gonna say it, not the biggest fan of those two, wish they weren’t on so often

Richard R

Please for the love of god do an episode on "moral reconation therapy". It is the manipulation- and shame-based "therapy" required by federal and state treatment providers for convicts. It is like a hair away from being just state-sponsored scientology.

etienne

starting The Game Part 3 on a lunch break and being inadvertently exposed to an onslaught of negativity

Major bit me

Yeah all things considered you aren’t wrong; also, the freaks running the troubled teen camps are capitalist parasites who extract their surplus value by buying working class people’s labor, and then using that labor to kidnap children and stick them in troubled teen camps that, apparently, have horrible and abusive conditions. These capitalists are likewise the enemy, and in a world with more austerity, I can imagine more prisons for minors being privatized, and some techniques from these camps being incorporated into the juvenile detention industry. Like, in order to give a nice PR face for their prison system, these juvenile detention capitalists might hire a woo woo counselor to sit the kids in a circle and have them talk about their aura, before they break for a lunch of worm infested bread. I can imagine it now - the republicans will want the kids in cages to fuck off and die and will say so out loud, meanwhile the democrats will solve their suffering by hiring an army of hippie Nurse Ratchetts

K102.1FM Mornings w/ Jonny Corndogs

Protip: If you're subscribed to TrueAnon and have listened to the Synanon series, you can skip this episode. Outside of surface discussions of Synanon, nothing really happened and this episode could be skipped. So yeah, just save yourself the time and skip this one. Sorry Chris.

Mapcrush

I have an idea for a show. It's called "If It Was Me?" The concept is you find people that think they could have handled various tragedies or world events, or professions better than the people that were there. This includes full re-enactments of the events, period actors and costumes. 9/11 Hijacking, the Lincoln Assassination, surviving a prison camp, playing in a professional football game. fighting a fire, the options are endless. The comedy would stem from people not being able to handle the situations as well as they might expect and the participant and the audience would learn more about these events and gain some greater insight and perspective so they wouldn't immediately think about themselves in the situation and instead perhaps develop empathy for the situation of the people who deal/dealt with it. Is this anything or am I nuts?

Ian H

I guess the two problems I see are 1. The contestant has foreknowledge of the event that the participants didn't and 2. The contestant knows it's a reenactment and they can't be hurt, so they could just like, stand on the left side of Lincoln's box and start swinging at the first guy they saw after "sockdologizing old man-trap" with no fear of getting shot. To fix the first, I guess you could take major liberties with events, like it's 9/11 but by Aum Shinrikyo and all the hijackers are Japanese women or something. As for the second issue, I guess you'd have to have enough funding to film every episode before any aired, and then use squibs/stunts/makeup etc. to convince all the contestants that they're in some sort of Battle Royale or Squid Game scenario with real violence.

Jerimiah

Twitter sucks. Probably the most pathetic platform now.

Drew McGill

So often? It’s been like a year or more lol. Maybe 3rd time on since I’ve listened to Chapo for the past 3 years.

Drew McGill

Not mid at all but that sucks you didn’t enjoy it as much as I did and I hated it until Chapos episode on it, honestly lol

Drew McGill

No shoutout for the MN show? Guess I won’t go 😆

Caesaro

Brace has been on 11 times, it feels like even more when you’re not a fan of their voices

Michael

Perhaps the finest example of "holier then thou leftism" I have ever seen. You sound like a bitter old Trot.

Jon Lyons

Liz youre great but please see a doctor about all the sheet metal stuck in your larynx

anonymoose

Damn this episode is crazy good for me as I'm starting to grapple with my addiction at the moment and having been to a couple NA meetings I find the abstinence dogma kinda retarded (for me) but felix's thing about finding meaning really resonates. Thanks chapo and TA. Good ep, for me personally

Tom

Uh idk what to tell you Matt but I’m still a leg guy. See a nice pair of gams? Ah woooooooga

J.P. McD.

How the fuck does Chapo retain Patreon supporters like this person? Just unsub and go scream about James Cameron’s colonialism on Twitter instead. Use the $60/year to leave your house for coffee a few times.

justdave

What about 'Is it pee?' And we have a team of German scientists decide if it's squirt or pee

Kerri

But how is your vision?

blackFFillip

I wish they had bullied Brace more

Tommer_man

I made it halfway into the ep before realizing this. The Synanon series is why I subbed to Trueanon and I highly recommend it.

123naptime

lol are yall OK? this was pretty reasonable and accurate: the true leftist take is to acknowledge that class plays a huge role in who goes to these camps, how they operate and why they are allowed to persist and you still had to call me bitter and tell me to stop listening. you know these guys aren't your friends right??

Hector Jaime

Bummed that you didn’t mention Pinterest in this episode.

Duane Bailey

Wait for what? Is there something I'm missing?

K102.1FM Mornings w/ Jonny Corndogs

It's funny, because I broke down and subbed just before Synanon dropped and it's been worth it the entire time. Brace and Liz have such good chemistry, Yung Chomsky's music slaps, and I love the topics they go over. Honestly, if they did 1-2 reading series riffs a week, I'd probably close out my Chapo membership and just go off their free episodes. I miss the reading series, as I like to be reminded just how much Op-Ed writers are wretched worms.

Jessica S

The d-amphetamine (generic Adderall) and Adderall shortage is about the DEA controlling how much should be in circulation, so they love to say “Well, if there’s a shortage it’s b/c doctor’s prescribe too much” but there’s no way to know that since the DEA arbitrarily decides how much of the formulation is allowed each year. This happened several years back and it’s the same shit. It’s pretty fucked up that a law enforcement entity gets to make medical decisions. I’ve never understood why it was thought that kids would outgrow ADHD. It’s still a pervasive misunderstanding today. If a kid “outgrows” it, that would indicate a development delay that one catches up to. So if it’s not a delay, then of course adults are going to have ADHD. As far as medication being essential, I can say without a doubt that if schools could provide instruction that allowed for many different modes of engagement, you’d see a huge drop in the need to even assessment kids for disability in the first place. If the goal is to show mastery of a certain standard, surely it doesn’t matter if, say in reading class, the response to reading is given verbally - recorded or presented to the teacher - or by filling out the standard worksheet. To some kids, handwriting while composing responses is very difficult and often this causes behavioral disruption. Does that kid have a disability? It’s probably dysgraphia, it often occurs with ADHD, autism and learning disorders, and you could probably justify special support if it is disrupting the class and their own learning. OR, they could record their answers verbally. Or they could have another student scribe for them. Or use speech to text. And then they’re learning strategies for later in life when they have a job and maybe they still can get by without medication or even a diagnosis. Basically, helping to change a person’s circumstances goes a hell of a lot farther than trying to change a person to fit a single environment. But there’s no patent to put on that, no new drug to charge outrageous prices for - if you can’t hack it, then something has to be wrong with you.

Jessica S

I totally agree, the reading series are the best. And they do such a good job at TA. I love that they always find an perspective or a connection on the latest shit show, current event, something different from all the rest of the coverage.

Artemis

That outro music slaps.

Poppy Chulo

I just subscribed to trueanon and am irritated with some of their takes. They even have an episode shilling for Amber Heard, POST trial.

Poppy Chulo

Yeah Al PAcino is a blind veteran who uses a colt .45 model 1911 to get pussy. The scent referred to in the title is fear.

Sean

❤

Stephen Baynham

Something not mentioned in the shortage discussion: each manufacturer is given a percent of the total quota and cannot make more than their share. Early in 2022, a manufacturer had a labor dispute resulting in a work stoppage and they will not be able to complete their quota for the year. The correct thing to do in this situation is to reallocate their quota to other manufacturers, but the Biden administration did not want to do so because it would give pharmaceutical workers too much power. As a result the manufactured quantity for 2022 will be somewhat lower than the quota.

oat_beverage

Totally agree, but ADHD also presents in different ways, the hyperactive type is most disruptive to others, but there’s also inattentive type, where kids can sit still and keep quiet but can’t pay attention and mostly end up suffering socially (this tends to be how girls present and might be why many more boys are diagnosed). I think schools should absolutely do more to accommodate that neurodiversity and show kids what to do with their particular brains, but with the state of American education being what it is I’m not optimistic.

oat_beverage

Always interesting to hear Felix and Brace talk about adderall/amphetamines. Like there’s definitely an ideal middle ground between having so little motivation (ie available dopamine) that you’re on the couch/playing video games 24/7 and so much that you’re disassembling hinges. For me I’m on the couch without adderall but I’m glad Felix has his quests and doesn’t need it.

etienne

my friend, the drug you are seeking is Concerta

oat_beverage

What’s the difference? I’ve never taken concerta