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689 - Gods and Munsters feat. Jefferson Morley (12/15/22) (Patreon)

Published:
2022-12-16 03:14:44
Edited:
2022-12-16 03:15:03
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2026-06

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Will talks to journalist Jefferson Morley about the impending release of a number of government documents pertaining to Lee Harvey Oswald and the JFK assassination, including, for the first time, definitive descriptions of the relationship between Oswald and the CIA. Then, Matt and Felix join for a look at Trump’s new collectable NFT line, and a piece from the Federalist asking: is Santa too fat for our children?

Visit Jefferson’s substack at: https://jfkfacts.substack.com/

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William

1 Edit: FUCK

J. A.

FRESH SLOP

J. A.

OINK OINK OINK WHEEE WHEEE WHEEEEEEEEEEEE WHEEEEE

Jaden

Lee Harvey Rizzwald

Tibor Kolontar

Looks like meat is back on the menu boys

Null_null

let's GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Austent

he kinda built like Brandon!

veni

"No purchase necessary" is because there's prizes.

Brendan A. MacWade

It's the Thursday Night Massacre over at Twitter. If you linked to the kid who shares his private jet location, you are permanently suspended!

Maxkrause817

Another episode without amber. We love to see it folks.

Ahmed Razick

New chapo episode and I was able to order a Radeon 7900xtx. Today was a good day.

T.A. Martin

Dammit! Now I'm imagining Will hosting the show in the velvet suit with the short pants.

testytesttest

please who has the link to the freestyle clip?

kallampero

Santa Claus was a Sámi shaman who carried dried Amanita muscaria in a sack and administered it, yurt by yurt, on a sleigh drawn by reindeer during the Lappland winter solstice. The same sacrament as shown in my avatar.

Christian Landsverk

Butch Patrick was at a local comic convention in my town this past spring, his booth was way off in the dimly lit corner of the building and very few people were ever at his table

Jessica S

When my son was in first grade, his teacher emailed that he told the class there was no Santa, that some of the kids were upset over this, and perhaps we could talk with him about considering their point of view. I told her perhaps she and the other kids’ parents need to consider what it means that their 7 year old has yet to spot even one of the glaring problems the tale of Santa presents. I didn’t hear back from her. Lol.

gonzopitcher

More like Jefferson Moreplease

Animals in Motion

Can't stand the JFK hype. I mean, always good to see new material I suppose. But I just find it hard to care about whether a fairly efficient steward of the American empire, an ardent anti-communist, with some bullshit made up postcolonial leniency, who was BELOVED by many at the CIA, would get popped by them. Makes absolutely zero sense. Oliver Stone's nonsense is just ahistorical great man shit, so that motive is not going to fly, there's no way JFK would have "ended" the Cold War. I can see Oswald being tied to intelligence for some other reason, and then going off track, however, and whacking the president.

D.O.D

Yikes

Post Void

"John F. Kennedy famously described his desire to “splinter the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter it into the winds” after the disastrous Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba. Peter Kornbluh points out in his book Bay of Pigs Declassified that the State Department at that same time proposed the CIA be stripped of its covert action capacity and renamed. However, the CIA escaped any serious repercussions — partly because, as Kornbluh explains, the CIA’s then-director, John McCone, made sure that most of the copies of a damning report on the Bay of Pigs by the agency’s own inspector general were literally burned." https://theintercept.com/2016/02/22/in-1974-call-to-abolish-cia-sanders-followed-in-footsteps-of-jfk-truman/

Poppy Chulo

JFK was not nearly as intelligent as his mythos shows him to be. Listen to the Hell of Presidents episode Matt and Chris did on him. His essay for his application to Harvard was incredibly retarded.

Animals in Motion

Yeah, he said a lot of shit he would never follow through with. Big deal. Nixon said a lot of shit about the CIA too, and was actually crazy enough to do it.

BigBoto

Yea, I've seen that Harvard application, it's a doozy. He literally writes something along the lines of "Harvard men are good my Daddy was a Harvard man I want to be a Harvard man, too."

Matty C

In the hinge points ep directly prior to this post, they talk extensively about Nixon being smarter and more capable than JFK and that JFK was the main choice for the intelligence community. JFK really only benefits from being dead before he would actually fail to do what he seemed to claim he’d do.

William

Lol maybe he couldn't do any of it it because he was shot? Jfc, I knew some Chapo listeners were fucking stupid, but holeeee fuck. Literally all you have to do is read and you understand the situation. You can't even do that Like, imagine how dying prevents you from following through on your (now confirmed) plans to withdraw from Vietnam after winning your second term

Westerday

That’s how Santa Claus works in the Tim Allen movie from the 90s. However, his obesity was the result of magic, not poor diet.

Animals in Motion

🤪 yeah just read the JFK Bible and the revealed truth of how he was going to usher in the next socialist Millenium and abolish all evil deep state agencies is right in there

Alexandr

Can you guys have Eli Valley on again so I can try out my 'Kapo Chap House' line he'll probably laugh

William

This is a particularly stupid talking point - look at Joe Biden, or Trump, and tell me the mental abilities of the president matters to their governing decisions. Fuck, look at every president after Truman - it's a goddamn figurehead position. Most people can feel if a decision is right or wrong, only libs convince themselves to do the wrong thing for the "right reasons" based upon some 4d chess mindset bullshit

William

Didn't say any of that bullshit. Nice to know you're also too stupid to put together a coherent thought

Josh

Little known fact. Actor that played Grandpa on the Munsters smacked an adolescent Adam Carolla ,that hung out with his son, in the back of a vehicle while driving.

Matelda

I don't think the mythos is that JFK was intelligent. Whatever he was, the CIA killed him. You don't have to prove that they should have to prove that they did.

William

Are conservative writers choosing names like pornstars now or is it just the federalist

Matelda

Allende was no Mao, but they overthrew him too. This is true of many targets of assassination/overthrow in the 20th century. We all know how moderate Bernie is, but we all also know that he was intolerable to the ruling class. They don't want enough, they want it all.

William

Good episode - 3.6/5. Non interview portion had good energy and interest from all the dry boys. Would definitely listen to clips again 1-2x if they popped up on YouTube

Matelda

Here's your award for only caring about the right things, and another one for being able to imagine that the official story is true in spite of evidence.

dingbat44

Whens Virgil coming back on the pod? Really miss that guy.

Do Golems Dream of Ceramic Sheep

l think someone might have given Elon a synopsis of KSR's Ministry for the Future, which has him scared... Which, fair, but whoever █████ his private ███ en route to ████ ████ █████ gets to drop the "I _am_ Kali" line from the tail end of the book

dingbat44

No one gives a fuck you autistic piece of shit.

dog stone

please be a bit...

dog stone

when god sings with his creations will amber not be a part of the choir?

C. Ries

The conservative war on Christmas continues. I saw Kyle Rittenhouse tweet that he corrects people who say “Happy Holidays” or “Merry Christmas” with “Happy Jesus’ Birthday”

Jake Zydek

Trump's voice is sounding low T

The wazzzzaaapp bud light dude

I love Op-Eds that begin with the preamble “I’ve been wrong about political topics as early as high school.”

Sean

"No purchase necessary, just right click and save the image"... LoL Trump didn't mention the ""investment"" opportunity because he has no clue what an NFT is.

Thom

man that Federalist article makes the best cast for bringing back school bullying I've ever heard

Poppy Chulo

It's an observation actually, and it's true.

Tan Tan

do you think if Ukraine killed Elon the Brandon Administration would do anything? Disciplining them would require the US aligning themselves with Russia and ending the “Ukraine is on the defensive so they can operate with impunity and we’ll support them no matter what” narrative…

T

I demand an emergency Avatar 2 episode

Poppy Chulo

The mythos of JFK as the great man of history is obviously real, and I made no claims as to who killed him. Do not waste my time.

Poppy Chulo

You've posted all over this thread with just absolute nonsense.

Chris T

What’s with the Delta Lounge hate?

Matelda

"Great man" but not as an intellect. Kennedy was always a chad hero, a great jawline of history. A smarter guy would have canceled his whole motorcade tour when the first assassination plot was discovered, not just the Chicago stop.

Bruno Drundridge

Butch Patrick actually got a law passed because his parents spent all of his child actor money. I think it's fairly toothless nowadays, but parents are legally obligated to save like 10% of their child's earnings in a separate account so the kid has *something* waiting for them when they grow up. The boys were probably thinking of Grandpa Munster, AKA Al Lewis, who was the green party candidate for NYC mayor back in 1998. He tried to get his named listed as "Grandpa Al Lewis" on the ballot to juice his own votes.

Jon Spiegler

Grandpa Al Lewis was part of the New York left and did what he could for drug war prisoners until his death

I am become reply guy

Blaming Santa for childhood obesity is just the sort of materialist analysis I’ve come to expect from American media. Still I can’t believe someone at this late date would frame obesity as a matter of personal choice but cite that 77% of adults in this country are overweight. If that many people are making the wrong choice… maybe we should look at the choices on offer!

Calvin Bishop

Classic ep. New baked Alaska made me feel like i was back in 2017.

Jessica S

I think they reached peak debate content at that point.

Percle

Freshly squozen Santa milk

Poppy Chulo

I think you would be hard pressed to find anyone who subscribes to the mythos not to include intelligence as one of the attributes. You're just being overly pedantic. Also at no point did I speculate on his assassination so I don't know what the fuck you even think you're doing. Just foaming at the mouth from what I can tell.

Doug Cartel

can't believe it's been almost 6 years since matt christman screamed THIS IS LIKE IF FUCKING GRIMACE WAS PRESIDENT

NewTooshFatoosh

You all need to check out the golfing one where they photoshopped a 12 inch cock on him.

Adrienne Suydam

Billy Bob was a thin Santa, for the wrong reasons, but pound for pound the best Santa role model

Gulb

Love when Buff Santa comes down my chimney.

YukiNukem64x

The whole Trump NFT thing just makes me think about how scammers often intentionally put spelling mistakes in e-mails, because they target people who are less educated and wouldn't notice the glaring mistakes.

Jeffrey Ditter

Matt, one of the best monologues on the elite, their satiation of desires and insulation from criticism of said desires I've ever heard. Truly the new frontier in censorship.

justdave

That's knot true is it?

AbeLinkin

Everyone so mean and not kind. Just let the man be

Edward Fath

Without a Paddle was one of my favorite movies when I was a kid :)

TangiePower

The Dulles faction of the CIA thought he was weak, they blamed him for fucking up the Bay of Pigs and feared he would wuss out on the Vietnam war - there was plenty of reason for them to kill Kennedy and his brother.

Ian Hinz

Can't wait for the Chapo Avatar 2 episode!

William

Lol lot of crybabies who appear to be very invested in the Patreon comments section. I didn't know there was something more pathetic then the Twitter reply guy or YouTube comment warrior, but guess so

rayb0b

I'm sorry, but I couldn't give a flying fuck about the Kennedys. Talk about a family that is just the absolute personification of the worst kinds of abusive power and privilege. Only in America could a group of such utterly mediocre people attain this level of exalted success. As far as I'm concerned, chickens coming home to roust never made me sad; it's always made me glad.

Chris Ryan

He wanted to end the Cold War. That’s the main reason that people care about this. Because it continued unabated after they killed him, to this day.

Lizabet

A big part of why people care isn't that "the Kennedys were good"; it's that if the state or whatever shady power is able to kill the president as part of their goals, and completely get away with it, it puts every part of our system of government in a very different light. It's the most dramatic example of "voting doesn't matter," basically, along with "our democracy is a sham." There are many other examples, but none so... ahem, explosive.

rayb0b

Read Rethinking Camelot by Chomsky. He wanted no such thing. There was no bigger anti-Communist than JFK.

rayb0b

I can appreciate that and I take your point, but unfortunately, I don't think that's the only reason people care. I also think a huge part of the Left still somehow thinks that if only JFK had not been assassinated, the country/world would have gone in a fundamentally different direction, and I think that's just a fantasy. If you look at what the Kennedy administration actually did, say, in Cuba, Vietnam, Brazil, and places like that, there's a total continuity with the imperialism of subsequent administrations. I think people also care about this because they think that he was "the good kind of liberal" who is somehow a friend to the Left, and that's what I would argue against.

Antipaganda

Is this an intervention?

Antipaganda

William, dying didn't stop me from ending the CIA, and it didn't stop JFK. The CIA is the biggest hoax since the invention of causality.

Antipaganda

Why would an intelligent man waste time on writing a good application to Harvard when he knew his dad would just buy him a place anyway? He probably got a maid to write it while blowing him.

Antipaganda

Elon won't be a top priority for the UN climate death squad. Even though he's a cunt, he did make electric cars cool. And they're too popular now for even him to ruin them.

YukiNukem64x

I really struggle to understand why anyone would really care about the circumstances surrounding JFK. Be it some dude or some intra bourgeois intrigue, knowing doesn't really do anything in practice. Guy was a loser president dude, good riddance.

justdave

All I'm saying is Santa could put in a little effort

Aidan Dean-Jones

That baked Alaska freestyle is the hardest I’ve laughed in a long time

Of course

Trump's 45,000 NFTs sold out at $99 a pop in 12 hours, acc to Forbes. Not sure if this is Trump and his own people buying these so fast to increase interest and scarcity...

Will Newberry

All that can be true and they still killed him for wanting to make moves against the intelligence community and their supporters at that time. People care because that's crazy as fuck

rayb0b

Well, you are definitely correct that the suggestion that some element of the deep state apparatus could kill a figure as high-profile as the president is "crazy as fuck." What I am saying is that, on the Left, we don't really have a dog in this fight. Because the idea that someone like JFK, who initiated Operation Mongoose against Cuba, who began the attack on south Vietnam in 1962, and who had people like Allen Dulles and Arthur Schlesinger as part of his inner circle was somehow "moving against the intelligence community" is just laughably ridiculous. Kennedy was an imperialist Cold Warrior to the end, and the fewer of them we have on planet earth, the better for all of us.

Kamran Husain

holy shit did y’all look up what tristian justice looks like?

Eddie

It also could just be NFT traders trying to make a buck

I hate Patreon

What was that rap song? Couldn’t find it online? It’s by based Alaska?

Billy Titus

It is indeed an observation. Why make the observation? To what end, for what reason was it? I know the reason. Why did I reply? We both know the answer to that one too. Add a +1 to those landlords for yourself and I am with you.

not_today

Have you guys seen the piece on recently elected along Island Republican George Santos in the NYT? Holy shit this thing has reading series written all over it.

G. Gordon Litty

Read Parenti: JFK and the Gangster Nature of the State. Oh look, I can site works from prominent leftists academics to argue my point too.

rayb0b

Lol. Okay, man. Good on you for that. First of all, what you're citing here is a talk rather than a book, so "read" is not really accurate. But forgetting that, as far as I know, though, Parenti's point is basically the same one made by Lizabet above in her response to me--in other words, it's not that JFK was some force for good, but that it's disturbing that such a powerful figure is still so vulnerable and that the elements running the American state could possibly have killed him. And I said in my response to her that she DOES have a point but that I don't think that's the only reason people care about this case and, furthermore, I think the other reasons are mistaken. Do we even disagree about this?

Poppy Chulo

Why make the observation about the subject of the episode? That's literally what the comment section is for you absolute autistic piece of shit. I refuse to believe you're that stupid.

Poppy Chulo

He did more than cite a book, he elaborated on his position. You've offered nothing.

nathan

did liz mean 15-16 finals? cuz like lil b said , fuck kd