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We’re joined by the Intercept’s Ryan Grim, who’s spent the last several months attending State Department briefings, directly questioning the department representatives and reporting on administration messaging. We discuss his experiences in the mouth of the consent-manufacturing machine, and how he thinks the admin and various media orgs have functioned while he’s been there. We also discuss Ryan’s new book on The Squad, and how young progressive legislators are shaped and disciplined by the Democratic Party, and the special prominence of the Israel lobby within it.

Check out Ryan’s reporting at https://theintercept.com/staff/ryangrim/

And pick up Ryan’s book “The Squad” here: https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250869074/thesquad

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CT

Nah

Kevin

I was craving the slop and prepared for a late Tuesday release simultaneously… Thank you Saint Christopher

Elai Kehler

this was specifically for me bc i have a long late drive thank u chapos i see you

Dakota Frutchey

Y'all letting Matt write the titles now?

J.P. McD.

First in my book

J.P. McD.

I liked Grim’s previous book a lot, there was a great bit where he talked to Lieberman and others involved with the ACA watering down. Lieberman made it crystal clear that nobody had put any pressure on him whatsoever to pass a good version of the bill when he was holding out. So when the Pod Johns or whoever say “Obama tried, but Lieberman stopped it” it’s bullshit

J.P. McD.

Also just saw on Goodreads a mad Chapo listener negative review for the older book not being left enough, that’s always fun

Myles Greene

Once got my ass kicked by off duty cops at Duffy's in Paterson

Logan

Congratulations

Wilko

Lingua Tertii Imperii

Tristan Clark

If Nancy Pelosi has Medicare for all signs in her "basement" older than the squad she may as well mean they're up her ass for all the good she did with them

Grant

Great interview,

Joel Marks

Really funny hearing Will catch himself before he called the opposition to the squad "the Epstein wing of the democratic party"

Paul Steiner

I had a friend who was considering running for office and was in talks with JD about an endorsement. They told him he had to be "flexible" on BDS. So I think it is a litmus test just in the opposite direction

William

Ryan is right- the only thing you can do is put the raw hypocrisy on display, for all the good that may do

William

So Ryan’s saying that his job consists of making the state department employees lives worse? I can get behind that

Alexandr

I'm all in favor of an escalation to 'make them end' but I don't think the collective will to the betterment of society is there.

Edmond-Charles Genet

Inside the mouth of manufacturing of consent with a man who professionally manufactures consent for the “squad” and by extension the Democratic Party

Braedon

Chris must listen to zeal & ardor he’s cooler then I thought

Blank

We love Ryan don’t we folks?

William

If you can’t do anything anyways, might as well annoy the shit out of them

Jon W

Misread that as Media Ogres, and now I can't unsee it

Matt Murray

Totally agree with Will in the last few minutes. The lobby is incredibly powerful but when all is said and done Israel is a strategic benefit to the US war machine. If it wasn't the lobby wouldn't be nearly as powerful.

William

Electoralism is fine - everyone needs a hobby while we wait for the seas to boil over

Dyyyyylan

Another ‘Oh, Felix is there?’ episode

Terry Buckley

Love that the lads have been doing this for years and still manage to have multiple occurrences of "vape voice" each episode

Dan

When you love what you do you’ll never work a day in your life.

AbsenteeUncle

Thank you for this. Not in Joshy’s district but adjacent and I don’t have much to do but troll him today

BombTracks Podcast

Remember when Ryan blamed rank-and-file field staffers for Bernie's loss in 2020 by parroting anti-union talking points?

David Browm

I don't think is manufacturing consent for the squad. I think he's just wrong lol

Dan

Haven’t listened yet but an old Chomsky talk on it helped me a lot. Per him the ‘67 war really crystallized US support for Israel as our client state & thug in the region, with the added benefit of the nostalgic boner it gives our settler colonial-loving boomers.

Drew McGill

I don’t believe the AOC quote of what Pelosi said to her on the floor at fucking all 🤣 Ryan is a great reporter but a huge useful idiot for the progressives.

K H

The (failing)NYT piece is also how Oct 7th was covered. Completely omitting it targetted hundreds of Israeli soldiers and multiple military installations. Of course 0 reference to Israel's own friendly fire. It is really in everyones' best interest to treat any anti Hamas(not even anti Palestinian, but anti Hamas) information the same way you would pro evangelical conservative info. Assume they are lying. Whatever stat or anecdote or claim, assume it is a lie. If you care look it up and see if there is evidence beyond a phantom quotation from some British rag. I don't even bother with that. Just tell them it is false, you looked it up, and that Israel has killed more children in Gaza than all civilian deaths in Ukraine combined. Also Israeli zionist cultists jerks off corpses. Boom done. Don't get distracted by their lies. Also, start mass reporting them for spam, misinformation, hate speech, and inciting terrorism or violence.

K H

Give an example. Not at all relevant to this interview, but give an example to which you refer.

K H

Well civilian bystanders could be members by some definitions.

K H

We eat at different resturaunts is the problem.

K H

I have come to the same conclusion. It is an early indicator of someone's tenacity vs self serving cowardice, which once indulged will be almost impossible to remove. At least right now. The low level machinery is not refined enough for disciplined heel turns at the ballot.

Bernard Fuddle

Anyone who would suggest that The Squad is a hope for anything other than "more of the same" is a bad-faith actor. His perspective is not one that the left should validate.

SF

I’ve not read the book but I’d be surprised if they were wrong...? I enjoyed listening to Grim on this episode and he does some good work (e.g. I appreciate the intercept’s work on US ousting Imran Khan) but it feels like a coin flip whether he does that or falls hook line and sinker for goofy State Dept shit like the “Uyghur genocide” etc. He’s like Amy Goodman or Naomi Klein. These people have their place but there’s plenty they can be criticised for.

K H

What did they want? Government issued fursona suits?

Fat Cobra

Jimmy Dore was one hundred percent right when he lifted the vail on the "fraud squad" And fuck you david sirota

K H

When Israel says human shield, they mean the fighters go to sleep. Like any soldier eventually goes home, Hamas fighters eventually(probably) go "home." So basically any civilian around where a US or Israeli soldier happens to be eating, shopping, taking a shit, whatever, is a human shield in the way they mean it. I say probably go home because they are human, and I assume their courage can't substitute for basic necessities permanently, not because Israel has ever produced evidence of killing any hamas warriors.

bruce

One crazy thing about the fetterman thing is that even if you do believe in some sort of South African white genocide, then that means given the comparison that what's happening in Gaza is way bigger and obviously a genocide

Charvis Blutchard

hurr durr everybody that isn't literally Vladimir Lenin reincarnated is a deep state spook consent manufacturer grassy knoll CIA JFK blown away Epstein bad faith nazi grifter Pelosi literal nazi literal fucking nazi literally shaking right now hurr durr

K H

So Richie Torres is a less retarded less based George Santos.

J Lit

Thought you were talking about the Ep. and was going to say I thought they were pretty even handed in their criticism. Then I scrolled down lmao some real galaxy brains in the listenership

J Lit

🦹

William Nagel

Really, Ryan Grimm? Ryan Grim is a DNC Schill POS. Chapo, I hardly knew ya....

Donald Darby

Ryan Grim! Were Krystal Ball and Kyle Kulinksi too busy??? Surely we should be getting top tier DNC shills, not an AOC simp with a shitty haircut.

J Lit

I'm sure the DNC loves him asking Max Miller about US culpability in genocide

William Nagel

Want more? I could go on for days......

William Nagel

I remember when Chapo was actually left wing. What's next? Promoting David Axelrod's next book?

K H

Sometimes you gotta be tactical.

K H

I mean...I don't think so. At one point yea, but now? The last play is China's. I have to think this has made power very tenuous for anyone friendly to our interests in the middle east.

rum sodomy and the clash

I have to say that I'm a little surprised at Will's faith that world opinion, domestic American opinion, or some case at a toothless UN court is going to have even the slightest impact on US policy or even its ability to project power. Is the EU going to meaningfully stand up the US on this or will they just express their concern? Will any NATO members make a single demand? Will a single country force a US base closure? Will there be even one sanction placed upon the US? I highly doubt it. And domestically, what can citizens do when US foreign policy isn't even up for democratic scrutiny? Does anyone seriously think they can get even ten more pro-Palestinian Democratic candidates through the primaries this year? I just don't see how any of the things Will finds so much hope in can actually move the needle at all. Call me cynical, but we've just been burned on this so many times.

Dan

lol, if we’re up to people like u it would be a non-stop parade of internet left wing nerds and chapo would be just another shitty podcast.

Nott Hemon

The only thing you can *legally* do. Thats the primary issue is that the actual solution to this and pretty much requires there to be an organization of people willing and able to act paraconstitutionally to address the deep socioeconomic issues that define the day. But the real solution cant be said in public because its liable to get you locked up on charges of conspiracy to commit terrorism. And so everyone smart enough to realize the problem is paralyzed by a fear of dying, and everyone to stupid to be paralyzed is caught up in right wing conspiracy theories and ends up having impotent displays of crude violence. To say nothing of the ghouls profiting and promoting this shit. And nothing is gonna change until a force is built by some portion of the US population capable of challenging the US for state power. If your response to this is to say “that can never happen…” then why dont you just post birth abort yourself for being such a fucking coward cause you are in a sense apart of the problem. Youve convinced yourself of the inevitablity of defeat in order to avoid the responsibility of struggle. You believe it is impossible because thats the only thing that can justify inaction. I just wish there was an org capable of actually waging a political struggle instead of just begging for scraps from the ruling class as everything rots.

Adam Murphy

At 17:00 Grimm admits the only reason he's still allowed into press briefings is because he plays the game.

Adam Murphy

The Squad is controlled opposition In a party that controlled opposition. Grimm is still useful despite this. It's a little absurd to expect him to completely disregard electoralism.

Will Menaker

I'm not sure how much faith I have in any of those things, and I believe I've expressed my doubts that they amount to much, but I still think it's important or at least interesting to talk about.

T

Something creepy I just noticed on Reddit: Under "Trending Today", if you click on "Yemen airstrikes", the search Reddit uses is "yemen subreddit:worldnews". So you only see results from r/worldnews. For other trending topics, it only searches for keywords, not for results from a specific subreddit. The most astroturfed, psychotic subreddit.

Wesley Thompson

Really sucks hearing Grimm talk about his book on every podcast around without getting any questions about his own reporting and editorializing. I expect more from the chapo boys

Valerie Maybe

It seems like having to scrape together “No Matt Episodes” is taking a toll on you Will. It’s understandable that this guest was just a blah-we-gotta-post-something guest (Felix hilariously acknowledged it by basically not talking) You are doing a really good job Will.

Juan Gonzalez

The comments here have me thinking some of you aren’t into leftism because you truly want to improve the life of us all. Go outside losers

Ontario Guy

Tungsten Park reference, a real blast from the past!

Ahmed Razick

Former Patersonian. Moved to Colombia in Oct. I love that city but thank God I moved. As a Colombian, Palestinian, and Puerto Rican I don't think I could have kept living in the US with what'z going on.

Ahmed Razick

Never again is now. We stop this madness now or we wait for WW3 because someone has to stop the US and Israel.

Juan Gonzalez

Idk man I’m just here so one day I can play video games and not worry about health care

Ahmed Razick

"The old world is dying and the new world struggles to be born. Now is the time of monsters."

Ranni

^^^Amerifat moment

Ranni

A truly mediocre mind

Juan Gonzalez

Nah lol I’m an ML, I just had no other reply for him 😭

Daffy

To be fair, I'm pretty sure he was referring to Briana Joy Gray drunk tweeting like an ass. The last half of Bernie's 2020 campaign was all of us drunk tweeting from home.

Jaime Christley

"human shields" is some genuine early '90s War College bullshit that's only believed by the most condescending military officers this country has ever produced + dads and uncles who solemnly binge-watch all nine seasons of 24 as an annual "respect the troops" type ceremony.

Gordon Schmidt

It's wild how the Intercept is the ONLY western outlet covering the Pakistan coup and its aftermath in depth. They have nuclear weapons! It's pretty important! Pakistani democracy is mostly fake anyways but Jesus....

Tyler Sutherland

Very funny to hear two guys who professionally worked with a groomer for 5+ years without knowing it lecturing AOC on not knowing stuff, or being naive, or not knowing that four deranged Bolivian coup fans were gonna prank her as a freshman congressperson. or, y'know, existing in a context that isn't "sitting around talking about movies into a microphone twice a week" lmfao. like you're any better at this. and 'fuck you' to will for taking Omar saying "don't cry" as her looking down on AOC instead of, y'know, just not liking it when people cry. suck me off man. run for a legislative seat, I dare you, see how hard it is if you don't think leftists have to legislate and fight in contexts not of their own making. and not even national, do local or state if you have to. I've been in campaigns and they are quite literally hell even for milquetoast liberal candidates in the dregs.

TugNuggins

What exactly is the point of AOC then? Did she just admit that her campaign was a grift?

TugNuggins

bro you just admitted that you are not serious about leftism.

BombTracks Podcast

Brie is a joke for sure, esp after the campaign collapsed, but she wasn't a rank-and-file staffer. I literally gave him an hour long interview about what it was like on the ground for field staff (and I know he talked to at least 2 other fields staffers in Iowa) and he never used any of that material. Instead, he just parroted the senior management line that the union was being too whiny.

Bernard Fuddle

Who said anything about asking an establishment journalist to disregard electoralism? I'm talking about whose perspectives this podcast acknowledges and boosts.

Luke Witherell

Why are you in the comments section on their Patreon if you hate them so much

Juan Gonzalez

It’s a Chapo comment section. We are all shitposters at the end of the day. The problem I had was the non shitposting comments hating on this episode

Chris Ryan

She’s not gonna fuck you, dude

rum sodomy and the clash

That's absolutely fair, and I do apologize if it seemed as though I was putting words in your mouth. That wasn't my intention. I think I'm just frustrated with symbolic action- which seems to be the only button available for the global left and countries opposed to US foreign policy to keep mashing. And I probably jumped the gun a little on you because of that.

Jamal James

I find it offensive that the squads number one puff piece writer puts this book out during a time of crisis. People are rationing their insulin but let’s read a book on how tough it is for AOC in Washington. pathetic.

Kinetics Video

I'm inspired by Will finally embracing Jimmy Door. Just beautiful, I'm so happy for you two. Love wins.

Kinetics Video

Doesn't seem that deliberate by this telling. I think it's more she's a bird brain lib who's demographics made insincere socialism a hat that she tried on for a few years.

Kinetics Video

Looking forward to the return of the Counterterrorism Dad. That's the America I grew up in

Kinetics Video

Torres is just a gay black white supremacist, weird to find on a Facebook feed, but pretty much standard as Congressional freak. George was an artist, we'll never have one better than him.

Kinetics Video

For a guy famous for his basketball shorts Fetterman sure is good at pantsing himself

Mike Mariano

I love interview episodes because I keep thinking that Matt will burst in with a question 40 minutes in instead of making an announced return.

Kinetics Video

It's Pod JONS. Easy to remember because "h" is for humanity, which of course is absent

J.P. McD.

Yea obviously Grim isn’t as far left as your average Revolutionary Marxist DSA caucus chairperson; raging about that in a Goodreads review is the funny part

K H

In fairness to everyone else, Tlaib has stayed strong and he just takes the most cynical position...which is unfortunately just where we are at as a species rn.

K H

No, but noted.

Jeffrey Miller

*glass shatters* Bah gawd is that Matt Christman's music?!

Major bit me

Pierre Omidyar’ pet edgy liberal is chasing the bag. Now, look away as all squad member denounce Hamas, half vote to fund Israel, all equate anti Zionism with antisemitism. The murder machine is bad and all, but I’ll be damned if the war loot isn’t divided more equally amongst us American victors

K H

...in Minecraft. It does highlight the farcity of free speech. Because at some point the magnitude of what you can call for is eclipsed by what can be done to you legalishly. So to the extent speech can have practical ramifications it is quite limited. We can form critiques but never solutions. Even calling for a strike is technically illegal for infrastructure critical roles.

Major bit me

Tlaib has not stayed strong she denounced Hamas and abstained on the anti-Zionism = antisemitism vote. She never flinched in campaigning for Zionists, she does the media stuff because she has the one constituency in america where that’s required

K H

Oh so youre just here for what then? Shit posting and being gay? Thats cool now? Thats hip? Thats zoinked to the tits? That irony pilled zaza? Either you're here to goon or youre a fucking phony.

Poppy Chulo

Look at this there's hardly any dicks in my ass and yours is being torn apart. From now on I want an equal amount of dicks in each ass.

Juan Gonzalez

#GooningForFun #GoonLife #GoonBrewed

K H

You must be a beautiful man.

Poppy Chulo

Do you know how many guys that's going to take?

Poppy Chulo

I don't care, an equal amount of dicks.

K H

Is it bad taste to say I fucked her now? It probably is right? I didn't. Nancy pelosi did fuck me wearing a medicare4all sign as a strapon.

K H

Yes. She did on her IG account. What she said was that she was torn between what her actual supporters want and the powers in Washington want. That it was hard or some shit idk it was a year or 2 ago. Basically she is trying to hold the seat by playing nice with our direct enemies instead of self immolating as REQUIRED. She plays to survive not to win. The Christman has talked about this in one form or another extensively as a general concept.

K H

In population? That is what he meant.

K H

I can't tell if you are being sarcastic but I have been a Jimmy supporter for a while. He had Finklstein on and has been pro Palestine unapologeticcally as far as I've ever known. I literally did not think all cops were bastards until I started watching Jimmy Dore.

William

Who cares? Unless you’re still invested in electoralism?

Kinetics Video

Oh, Jimmy's fine for what he's doing. Not for me, but I don't begrudge anyone if they're finding insight there. I'm mostly making fun of the Sam Seder / Ben Burgis types that made association with Jimmy this Scarlet Letter during some if the early Biden term Squad controversies.

Natalie

He was mad at the two girls ripping down the hostage posters too....but I'm glad someone's willing to go to state department briefings though because it would make me want to commit

Bernard Fuddle

Why would I be invested in electoralism if I'm asking the media I support to divest themselves from it? I care because I care about the success of a leftist political project, and that will never happen if left media keeps giving credence to electoralists.

K H

Thats really not what he said at all. He said he uses the correct language and simply reflects the reasoning back onto the US and allies.

K H

Yea I never understood that. My read was they are both very petty and Jimmy seems obnoxious I guess? His turnover seemed unusually high. Jimmy never mentions Sam, but Sam would bring him up frequently and I found that odd. Jimmy is depressing to listen to but he frequently has the correct position on who will fail you, which is just everyone basically. Fuck.

K H

Some of you guys are really annoying down here. You hate Stav. You hate Ryan. You hate Amber. You love Friedland. Suck a dick and chill out.

AKorgar

We know you're soy you don't need to make the face

AKorgar

Honestly though champ don't beat yourself up I'm sure they loved this comment on the Pod Save America comments

AKorgar

I think she had good intentions, she wasn't THAT radical but she had good intentions, then the Dem establishment beat the shit out of her

Andrew Cross

so which one of the hosts wouldn’t respond to your tweets at them?

AKorgar

I'm sorry that every single guest on Chapo can't be Vermin Supreme. You fucking ultraleft dipshits. The interaction Ryan Grim had with Miller was actually fucking interesting.

AKorgar

Militarized struggle is necessary but don't fucking talk about that on the internet or you're a fucking moron. If you're having these conversations or TRYING to have these conversations on what might as well be a public internet space then it's only because you're not out in the real world making real life contacts getting involved with real life radical orgs. DO THAT.

AKorgar

Absolutely love the freaks that keep track of every single little thing that these liberal correspondents have ever done or said that doesn't pass the purity test, and not actually listening to what's being talked about for its own substance. I especially like it because I remember the days when everyone did that shit to the Chapo guys constantly. If I had listened to those people I might STILL be under the impression that the Chapo guys were on the fascism pipeline

BombTracks Podcast

I haven't paid attention to anything he's said for over 2 years. I just have actual personal experience with Grim

AKorgar

It's always fun when you have some listeners calling the Chapo guys a bunch of DNC stooges or else insinuating they've sold out because their CURRENT guest for this one particular episode isn't a representative from Food Not Bombs or something, but then you got the guys also giving Chapo hell for being cynical ultraleft fatalists.

AKorgar

Just remember to hose yourself off this week Donald, for the sake of the other anarchists sharing your squat with you, you leftier-than-thou shithead

AKorgar

I'm personally just watching to see what unfolds, like Will I don't know how much faith I have in any of these people, knowing what I know about Cold War history I know there is literally no level the libs at the top won't sink to, but if we're not willing to entertain the possibility of history unfolding in a positive direction we might as well just top ourselves

AKorgar

Hey for the REAL SERIOUS GUYS I want you to consider that listening to a podcast and taking it VERY serious is not going to wash away your sins for not going out there and doing labor organizing or other things that will actually build the movement. Like piss on Pablo all you want but it's not going to make your own wasted efforts less bitter to you

Juan Gonzalez

/uj I organize irl and do my best to contribute and this podcast got me to start that /rj I reorganized your mother

AKorgar

The sheer parasociality gets so gross at times

AKorgar

Thanks for the monologue, Mr Rothstein

AKorgar

Honestly hope that when Matt jumps back in he has the worst fucking audio on Earth. God bless him

Tyler Sutherland

because sometimes they tell jokes instead of pretending they're political operatives.

K H

Mathematically it can't be done.

K H

I literally had no idea anything was happening. Then again new years goonilution has cum along splendidly.

Jessica Rios

I love Ryan, Stav, Adam but most of all MATT

K H

What a fucked up compliment.

K H

Yea the consent factory has commandeered the dick sucking factory and everything is in overdrive. Random ass comments getting deleted...I think for the word "graves" maybe? Some Matrix ass shit. I am soyfacing in bullet time.

K H

I agree somewhat. However the institutions need to be maxed out to show how insipid and performative they are. We really do need our counterparts in Europe to call for US sanctions and almost certainly leaving the UN. BRICS is also still in play. There is opportunity for things to come together as the US stranglehold loosens. The juggernaut of US power is revealed to be blind and insane and has a tummy ache. I am not optimistic, but I'm not completely pessimistic anymore either.

K H

While I find denunciation of Hamas annoying, I don't expect people that are allowed to hold power to hold the same views at exactly the same time as me. Not yet at least. She did not vote yes on that antisemitism bullshit either, so I will donate and make my thoughts known. She may still be useful, and that is all that matters.

K H

In minecraft. Come on guys.

Clay Perry

Wonderful transitions

The Steel Harvest

challenge democrats for a public sphere that works for the popular movement. Pelosi and Crowley are just the canaries in the coal mine ... like literally...

Kinetics Video

I forgot about the part Grimm played in that whole "it was the simple railroad folk told us to exchange our votes against their rights to strike in exchange for a handful of magic beans" thing. Weird to think playing ball with Biden was a thing serious people thought would see dividends. I think the Chapos pretty much took Grim's position more or less, but memory escapes me.

Kinetics Video

*rips down the sign that reads "gaming season" to reveal a sign under it that reads "gooning season"

Kinetics Video

Seder is an Xer lib, the horizon of his radicalism is bullying conservatives.

J P 3

JD candidates are not "anti-BDS" either. This may seem like a minor distinction, but a non-binding resolution in 2019 passed Congress 398-17 opposing the BDS movement, which was opposed by a handful of progressive Democrats (including a few Justice Dems) and one GOP House member. That is the political environment we are operating in.

J P 3

The only thing that Dore revealed in 2021 was contempt for the people who are stupid enough to watch his show. It's too bad that Michael Brooks is no longer around, because he had some great take-downs of Dore (start with "lava jato"). https://youtu.be/9hD4jdtJHbQ?si=8yHy7WB3VVdjlLlV

J P 3

The UN obviously doesn't have power to compel anything, but it is pretty amazing to see the shift away from the U.S. over the past 35 years. e.g. look at the 1991 invasion of Iraq where the Gulf states picked up over 90% of the cost and we had support from pretty much every country in the region and overwhelming support at the UN at the Security Council. Contrast it with 2003 where we pick-up 100% of the cost of the invasion and Turkey and Saudi Arabia refused to let us stage the invasion from their territory. Compare that to where we are today. We can do a lot of damage to the region on our way out, but it wouldn't surprise me if Biden's blundering effectively ends up accelerating our departure from the region. The real value of the UN is that it serves as a gauge of global opinion. Countries may not force the U.S. out, but are they willing to come to our aid to save us from a crisis largely of our own making?

Company Processing

Lotta cry-bitches in here that should start their own podcast.

C. Andrew

First? But not gay? That's not first at all.

C. Andrew

You can't do a podcast all wound up, let the man vape

Major bit me

What does it mean to hold power in this kind of context? It means collaboration, jettisoning principles, being and acting as a collaborator to the Gaza genocide. Also, Tlaib “abstained” on that vote like a coward, a de facto yes.

K H

She has legislative power and until you are willing and able to get down and dirty in Minecraft that is what we have. There is labor organizing but that is years away and Palestine does not have that long right now. The ones interested in helping must be beckoned and enabled to do so. It was not a yes. She stood out for that. Not as tall as we may like but she stood out.

Major bit me

She isn’t a “we,” I do not throw myself in with Gaza genocide collaborators. Mealy mouthed statements from Tlaib do nothing for Palestine, and her colleagues are even more pathetic. This war has exposed how when the rubber hits the road, the Bernie Sanders DSA-endorsed politics is just certain Americans trying to get a bigger chunk of war loot for themselves. Even worse, despite the weepiness and media histrionics from this small section of the Democratic Party since the war broke out, most if not all will still support Biden come November. They did last time, after all, despite his staunch Zionism

smooth trill player

call me boring and slop eps are great and all, but give me structured, contemporary analysis interview eps as much as possible thx Chapo

Khaqan Ahmad

Gotta thank you guys for the string of great episodes recently despite the circumstances

Tim

Fuuuuck man it actually does suck how you need to agree with everything someone says to have them on your podcast

Tim

Lmao, I grew up like 2 miles from Duffy’s. It has a tough reputation as a biker bar but it’s really in the least dangerous part of Paterson - couldn’t be closer to the Fair Lawn border. Gottheimer’s an absolute stooge

Ardy Rezv

Sam has been jealous of Jimmy since he left tyt. Living in his head rent free

Ardy Rezv

This is the kind of thinking that gets people to stan. She was a grifter from the beginning. She just wanted fame. Immediately tried to become an Instagram celeb once she was elected. Has thrown the left under the bus at every turn. Glad Ryan covered for her for years just for this book lmfao

Ardy Rezv

Never forget Ryan has been running cover for the squad since 2020. We all know why. Thank you Felix and Will for your pushback on his dick sucking. It’s a shame. Minus his simping of the squad he does good work. Best of luck on the book babe.

Enoch

It would be one thing if it was just how she ran to constitutes, that's just business as usual. But what if she were also a member of a political organization that she also made commitments to? Seems like that should be grounds for expulsion.

Jason Matthews

Wait, why? Is it to launder the pseudo-radicalism of the party's hard left, or some other reason?

Tyler Sutherland

Die mad about it. Go tell whichever streamer you follow how epic you are

Henz

best ep in awhile

Ardy Rezv

To maintain his access the “squad.” That way he can give us banger stories like Omar telling Aoc not to cry.

Matelda

Kirby & Miller always recite the "civilian deaths are a tragedy" thing like it burns their mouth on the way out

Aaron Baer

It's all frustrated Matt Christman withdraw ... He's really the only reason I listen

Poppy Chulo

He ran cover for Synema as well back in 2021.

Sean Curtis

Will made a comment about the poor bastard who had to rebut the pages of quotes of genocidal language, and I've just hit it now. The guy starts at 1:06:40 and I definitely recommend seeing this shit, he starts choking on his own bullshit and needs a good sip of water. https://www.youtube.com/live/939hSvcH0qM?si=jDFInezwn_V3R2kV

Edmond-Charles Genet

Kinda the whole interview honestly especially towards the end and the hosts push back in kind of exactly what my criticism is. What is the point of the squad except manufacturing consent for the dem party. Not for us but for people who are starting to be come conscious of the bigger picture and can get roped into party politics as an avenue for real change. Ryan Grimm. I like the guy but he writes a book about the squad and his tesis is essentially they’re trying hard and it’s a messy game. My critique along with the hosts is. Okay what’s the point of even playing that game when nothing of substance has been done or even voiced in 5 years

Mark Schneider

Ryan Grim is a dumb shitlib!! Only pretends slightly to care about Julian Assange's impending torture and death, writes a ridiculous book about how "The Squad" fights for Leftism-- uhm, by always backing down & fellating ancient mummy "Mama Bear" Pelosi, amrite!! I hope the guys push back on him, but based on the comments, it seems it didn't happen. The Due Dissidence podcast gave Ryan a 2023 award for biggest grift (or something like that) for his "book", seems quite appropriate. "What do we want!!" "Incremental change!" "When do we want it!!" "As soon as it won't make a single member of the oligarchy uncomfortable!!"

Mark Schneider

Yes, thank you for that. Enjoyed seeing his body, specifically his throat, blanch at all the lies emitting from him and nearly shut down his pro-genocide gas-lighting! Dude deserves the upper-class twit of the year award for sure.

Mark Schneider

In Fetterman's defense, he is brain damaged. Not in his defense, he's always been racist, remember when he chased down & "detained" the black jogger? The demented & the drunk don't conceal their true prejudices. Think of Joe with the endless repeats of "I saw Pictures of 20 beheaded babies" (all in a row . . .)

Donald

Great episode. Very informative.

Mark Schneider

Beyond what Will shares here about Isabella Kirchner, Max Blumenthal revealed how she came after the Gray Zone & Electronic Intifada for "minimizing" Oct. 7 by pointing out how the IDF killed 2,000 of their own people (the Hannibal option) to prevent hostage-taking . . . Inconveniently for Isabella in the interval between Kirchner reaching out to him & his response, the Israeli gov't. admitted that they had done exactly what the GZ & EI had revealed. Then when Max & Aaron Mate got her on the phone, Aaron tried to ask her about an old article she wrote claiming there were only "a few Bedouins" in Palestine when the Jewish Zionists arrived, & did she still believe that? She hung up the phone without answering at that point.

Mark Schneider

Once in awhile Jimmy has a really bad take (see Kyle Rottenmouse, "EMT" boy) but he is from a working class (actually poor) background, he is unpretentious (mostly), "I'm just a pot-smoking, jag-off comedian" & like the Justified Ancients sang, "he knows just who to hate"-- the Right wing assholes and the ShitLibs, unhinged Zionists, the grifters, etc. alike. He has moral integrity, is imperfect, but he's on the right trail 85% or more of the time-- & he not only popularized Finklestein but Max Blumenthal & Aaron Mate, "Pasta" Jaradula, the Due Dissidence Duo, etc. And he saw right thru Dr. Cornell West's sheepdogging for the Dems, even if he wasn't educated enough (at the time) to call our RFK Junior's insane spittle-flecked Zionist bloodlust on the spot, he still knew he was being lied to & said, you need to debate Max.

Mark Schneider

I'm cool with Amber, Adam, & Stav!! This was a decent interview, but Ryan remains at best only a bit more Left & principled than AOC-- & "the Squad" is a friggin' joke (which at least his dumb book demonstrates, even if not deliberatly.

K H

That's fair, but most of these guys are getting pissed at stuff not even related to the interview. Bitch tendencies.

VAN Fan

So did you listen to the episode, or..

VAN Fan

Most of Jimmy's takes are bad. Sorry dude but we don't need loser transphobes on our side

Jessica Rios

I hope he does it that way. It will be such a happy moment.

K102.1FM Mornings w/ Jonny Corndogs

My first thought too. If she had them in her basement for so long, it means she gave up on them a long time ago. Not the flex she thought it would be.

Natalie

yeah I remember things I see with my eyes from two months ago, and can still find people useful despite things they do that I don't like. I get kooky sometimes

Adam B

There’s also nothing the Squad & CPC can do that Ryan Grim would condemn

Adam Hauck

Kudos for having Ryan on, guys. I’ve liked his insights since he was a regular contributor on The Hill’s Rising back before Krystal and Sagar got bounced. I loved his recent State Dept. questioning - dude is a straight shooter.

Ben

Hilarious how even now most ppl will strongly resist any kind of talk about Jewish overrepresentation in elite media and generally all elite institutions like Ivy League and corporations. Like even with the actions of Israel recently and now a child rape tunnel under a synagogue and mikvah, still people are just too propagandized and cucked to talk openly and reasonably about Jewish influence over media propaganda and foreign policy and what that means. I say this with as little hate and irrational prejudice as possible

Rxk Lenderman

Fuck sometimes, as much as I have fun with it, I think Chapo is superfluous and not connected to anything. And then there’s an episode like this. They really can pull out a serious interview, and even if only a bunch of weirdos listen, they leave a genuine picture of the state of discourse and it’s absurdity

Christopher Price

maybe you should invest in some hearing aids, because you suck at this whole listening thing

Yoshi

Replace "Jewish overrepresentation" and "child rape tunnel" with something less racist/reactionary and your comment will be more useful. Maybe try "Israeli" or "Zionist" on for size. Remember, it's the Christians that really make American support for Israel possible. Thanks.

Ben

Lmao how is child rape tunnel racist or reactionary? Upwards of 50% of ultra orthodox boys are molested, in 2013 a rabbi interviewed by Vice said he witnessed this happening in a mikvah (bathhouse) and now this tunnel led to a mikvah, and there was literally a soiled mattress in there! Also, it's just a factual thing that Jews are overrepresented in elite institutions. You can make of that what you will, but it's not racist or reactionary to admit reality, only to then leap to conclusions about all Jews and to stereotype them. But at least in the older generation, this demographic phenomenon definitely had a big impact on support for Israel, and it continues to do so through big money lobbies that can put pressure on politicians and Harvard presidents and whoever they want

Matthew Krueger

I think the intent of that comment was "Fuck with me and I'll bury you right next to them."

K H

I did not know he did that. Oh boy. Pennsylvania, what are you even doing?

Luke Rybuck

She doesn't have to do anything. She has had the freedom to be not re-elected and stand by her supposed principles. Instead she hangs on to her career, can't say I wouldn't do the same, but can't say it's deserving of much respect either.

Alexandr

I read 'CPC' as Communist Party of China and went 'holy shit, Ryan Grim. Based.'

Alexandr

He's been on like 3 or 4 times maybe

cogandbal

Take the day to grill and smoke on that demonocracy