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Well, here we are, Iowa Caucus day 2024. Considering we all took several points of permanent sanity damage this time 4 years ago, what’s insane this year is how on rails this whole thing is. Nonetheless, our elections correspondent Josh (@ettingermentum) returns to update us on the state of the races for 2024. We look at how Biden’s long-term hyper-commitment to Israel affects his chances, Trump’s advantages and disadvantages in his ‘24 campaign, the RFK Jr. of it all, and the race for #2 between the rest of the GOP candidates..

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Erik

No it was me, I just decided not to comment

Reece Coren

the only thing holding me together after the birds loss

Xander Norris

seriously I know it’s their job but how tf is MSM gonna push Nikki Haley??? As someone from SC, that hoe is fucking washed let her go back to Boeing

Urm the mad

🦃Giblets pizza pie🤌

David Browm

Biden's first and probably only term was pretty fucking good for games. Biden should run with that. "If you're not voting for me, you ain't a baldurs gate 3 player."

Tim

There’s no Beltway Garage without Matt. Thank you for respecting precedent. 🫡

Scoot

Squozen

Tyler Sutherland

Another ettingmenrum episode, another episode to skip lol

Talking Mice

i started listening to chapo traphouse around this time in 2019. so much has changed.

Dustin Nelson

Ah, new chapo, the only thing worth living to hear

Zach Pierce

Well, you can have pro Israel President Biden or Pro Israel DICTATOR TRUMP who will replace Clarence Thomas and Sam Alito. Also President Biden ended the Afghan occupation. Remember, Bernie Sanders has backed Israel, too. Let’s not go to fascist rule.

Jeffrey Miller

Looks like Sugar Free Ron is still alive.

C. J

Biden's Israel stance is gonna wreck him, and the dems are gonna lose a LOT of voters for a very long time because of it.

Nolan

The Krusty Krab pizza is the pizza for you and for me

Ozzie

Meatball Ron wins first place loser

Frank

Thank you i see the light now I will go to voter booth for biden

Zach Pierce

Yup. Guy seems like a huge Trump fan. Makes a ton of excuses and equivocates for Trump for some reason.

Zach Pierce

The person who used the “tantrum” remark was Sarah Longwell, who is NOT a Democratic mouthpiece. Shes a lifelong Republican that works for “The Bulwark.”

J.P. McD.

Because Trump is funny

R K

no disrespect to felix but the clinton administrations are still goated for video games

Markus Kraköwski

Well, no because I actually waited before commenting to give other commenter a fighting chance, but I did see it before you

Jack

🕳️

John W

Looks like the polls swooning over Haley were, well, WRONG WRONG WRONG. But it doesn't matter who's second, who's third, etc.; Trump's the nominee. Repubs oughta follow the Dem road: Cancel the primaries and just crown the fascist clown.

Wes

Bush years had some great shit but 1998 sweeps, Clinton wins, GITCY4L

T

You think you just fell out of a coconut tree? You exist in the context of all in which you live and what came before you.

Andrew Cross

SILENT HILL 2 WAS 2001 FELIX OH MY GOD

T

Bush Sr. is 100% without a doubt the best video game president.

Muovi

Josh is up there with my favorite guests

Jim Chapman

Shrub? You’re recycling Molly Ivins, the most overrated columnist ever (yes, I’m including Friedman in that)? C’mon guys, as the libs say, do better.

plainwrap

Tell you what, if it comes to Biden vs. Trump I'll vote for the first candidate who promises to imprison Joe Biden. Right now that's my single issue.

Night Knight

I’m still not totally unconvinced that ettingermentum isn’t just Felix doing a deeper voice

NYCM&AHole

Wake up and smell the Iowa Carcass.

Stone Cold Jane Austen

The Trump magnets thing has got to be because he heard someone talk once about quenching, like for an MRI machine

Dante Scaglione

Lol no he doesn’t , Trump is just entertaining

J P 3

She's a Never Trump Republican. However, I wouldn't be surprised if she voted for both Clinton in 2016 and Biden in 2020.

Ted

Haley's your next President. It feels right.

J P 3

Biden's Catholicism doesn't explain his ardent Zionism. Some of the more critical comments that I've heard about Israel come from Catholics who went on a "Holy Land tour" that included stops in Jordan and Israel. I would tend to attribute Biden's love for Israel to the fact that he never went to Israel as a normal person -- he always got the sanitized VIP tour. He also probably thought that the movie version of Leon Uris's "Exodus" was a documentary.

Dick Wolf

Squozen? Yet another Goat’d Pilko reference by the god Will.

J P 3

Also, not sure what the big mystery is with 2024. Biden is absolutely cooked. Age. The loss of COVID-era social safety net and Gaza have sunk him. The most recent Michigan poll has Biden down 8 in a state he only won by 3 points. Biden nationally has George W. Bush 2006-2008 approvals. Things keep getting worse. The Muslim-American vote is sufficient enough to sink him in Nevada, Arizona (where he had slim margins), and Michigan. e.g. the issue Biden has is similar to Clinton in 2016 with industrial unions and free trade -- if people have organized and helped elect you in the past, and you break the trust on a fundamental issue, those votes are lost. Biden is going to lose both the electoral college and the popular vote, because he is trying to max out the Never Trump GOP vote and hasn't done a good enough job strengthening his base (re-election cycles typically are about base motivation too). The coalition in 2024 is going to be the Dem mid-term suburban vote-aholics against the GOP 2022 mid-term vote, plus Trump-fanatics who sat out the 2022 mid-terms. Overall I expect lower turnout given how unpopular both Trump and Biden are with the electorate as a whole. Trump's benefit right now is that he is not the incumbent. He doesn't have to make an argument for himself, just has to argue why Biden doesn't deserve re-election. Trump is beatable, but Biden isn't the one.

Alexandr

Not that I doubt you, but I imagine maaaaaaaaaaaany Dems have said that exact phrase.

Su'ad Yoon

Would be awesome to see an episode about what’s currently going on in Okinawa (forced land reclamation by the Japanese govt to build a new US military base despite widespread local resistance)

Mac daddy

Ppl from New Hampshire are known as New Hampsters

Natalie

"voting controls if america is fascist or not" - really smart people

William

This is fucking retarded. The US has been recognizably fascist since Reagan at the earliest

Tim O'

Hoeing for Boeing: the Nikki Haley Story

Su'ad Yoon

Yeah and the soil they’re using is known to have human remains mixed in from the battle of Okinawa…many families still have not recovered their family members remains and will never be able to now…also the land they’re building the new base on is super soft, so the new sea wall won’t be able to withstand even a category 2 earthquake…just for reference the recent earthquake in Japan was category 7.3

William

Who asked

William

Ettingermentum is a spartan 4, Felix is a spartan 2, in podcasting terms

William

Do you know how hipsters work

Arthur Alvarado jr

Ettinger is here which means my coworkers will see me laughing

William

Nah - Biden Harris re-election, Trump wins popular vote but loses electoral college, then Biden dies. That feels right

Žiga Iglič

Hope someone shows Trump the Nightwish version of 'the phantom of the opera'!

Jack Arens

Ngl I didn’t even realize that there was a caucus here until I stopped seeing the ads on hulu while watching it’s always sunny. Tricky Nicky and the Radical Trans Agenda! She’s done! A washed up has-been! Bye bye!

Matelda

I can't explain Biden's "love" for Israel but the strong impression i get from all his words and actions is that he does not have a reason. He is just a fucking lunatic, and this issue brings out his truest self.

William

Holy shit. If the Afghanistan withdrawal is actually what tanked Biden’s popularity that is a fucking chef’s kiss - the establishment media, who helped Trump win against their preferred candidate in 2016, unwittingly sunk Biden’s re-election chances by going sicko mode on him when he dared to pull out. These mfers are making rakes just to step on them

T

SNES and Genesis both came out during Bush Sr.'s presidency, which is mostly why his was the best. These games came out during his presidency: Wolfenstein 3D, Mario Kart, Super Mario Bros. 3, Super Mario World, Dr. Mario, A Link to the Past, Sonic, Street Fighter 2, Monkey Island, Lemmings, Civ, Railroad Tycoon, F-Zero, Mortal Kombat, TMNT, Madden, Kirby's Dream Land, Metal Gear 2, Fire Emblem, Tetris on NES and Game Boy, Prince of Persia...

Fernando

This was funny and true !

Peter Castello

Jesus, being from NH, guess I'll go kill myself.

SF

On who RFK Jr is running for: I have a friend (34, mom, high level hospital administrator, typically a-political, happily entering into her self-described “Karen era”) who is absolutely swooning over RFK jr because she thinks he’s sexy for doing flips into water bodies, she’s also vehemently anti-vax (which didn’t start as a rights thing, it started as a personal health thing, and snowballed into her entire political identity) so RFK very much scratched that itch for her. “Hot,”name recognition, flips, anti-vax.

William

Love how trump’s biden impression is just saying stuff he (trump) would say

William

This is the bread sandwich of takes

Sixten Heekin

Sooooo stoked for the ettingermentum collab

Bronagh M

Tbh Will got it right on one of the first episodes after 7th of October, Biden just thinks 'they went after one of ours so now we have full licence to do what we want to them'. I think, like a lot of zionists, Biden's genuinely baffled that other people don't see it that way. Israel = our side, muslims = bad side. Everything else is just noise to him.

Yosh B

I wanna know who the Dems will run to lose in 28, probably Hillary again

Laurel

And I don't wanna talk to a scientist Y'all motherfuckers lying, and getting me pissed

lake

Trump is so funny and magnetic, it’s fucking exhausting to listen to libs pretend otherwise.

Heavenly Father69

Why does Chapo keep acting like Biden has any idea of what the fuck is going on? That he is alert and oriented enough to know where the fuck he is and what year it is? You guys are dem tools

Demented Avenger

Trump has to be defeated. If you hear "DAAAAAAAAAA-da-na-na-na-NUHHHHHHHHHH-na-na-na-na-DAAAAAAAA" and don't immediately think of Pink Floyd, you are a loser with no taste in music. I can't forgive having to hear that riff in the wrong song so now I'll cleanse my ears out again.

J Lit

This is such a funny thing to be annoyed by

Patrick Allen

RFK Jr. is running for president as an independent, not a Democrat.

Stop the Spread

I dunno. 2024 terrifies me. Morally, no, not voting for Biden, but having Trump in office just fucks my shit up as one of them Blacks people tend to not give a fuck about.

Stop the Spread

I’m from NY but had my first DMT trip in Austin. Don’t know why I typed that.

Demented Avenger

Did you listen to the same podcast I listened to?

Demented Avenger

Nah, he never cared that it wasn't some liberal fantasy Israel. He, like a whole bunch of his imperialist ilk, fetishize the Israeli Sparta idea.

Gert

His grift has always been Karen focused l, before we had a name for them.

Matelda

I agree that Catholicism doesn't explain it. All the Catholics i know who support Israel are Republicans and have absorbed some of the Evangelical rapture stuff. They all read Left Behind. Joe Biden is a different type of idiot than that

Gert

No it's not.

The Steel Harvest

OK yall let's be real... it's Biden v Trump; your vote is best spent electing the person with the least political capital so a minimum of (counterproductive) shit can be legislated. I want a do nothing congress and a do nothing executive, simply because I'm terrified of what a politically "unified" America will do next.

Sam Zeng

ELITE episode

Sam Zeng

His "rallies" are really just live shows.

Tim Mullen

One of my more worrying thoughts is that the Biden team thinks (the old guy is just running on reflex, but the gnomes he has around are formulating the policy) that the only response to the hit they took in the polls post Afghanistan withdrawal (best thing they ever did) is to go super aggressive in foreign policy from Ukraine to Gaza. They’ve ingrained the basic tenets of neoconservative thought into the admin’s foreign policy at this point, and the most insane thing is they think it’s an electoral winner. We are truly walking over a precipice in the ME all because they all believe in the fuckin Abraham accords

Sam Zeng

He is so ugly, he has a chicken face and is mentally retarded. Beautiful Cheryl Hines need to leave that loser. She can do ALOT BETTER and WILL.

T

Bill Clinton is the PS1, N64, and Dreamcast president. Still legendary.

Michael

Guys please please have more Josh

Jon

Biden may well be more incoherent than the Chapo boys imagine in this episode. How does that make Chapo dem tools?

Butch Deadlift

This guy sounds exactly like TV’s Frank

Jon

My vote is best spent trying to get a third party candidate to 5%.

Eric Murphy

When historians write about Kamalas 40 yr reign it will be known as kamalalot

The Steel Harvest

a noble goal. idk, without some *free real estate* I don't see the party system changing. It will literally be collapse or territorial expansion required to facilitate disentrenching those structures of control and redistributing the power and patronage in a way that genuinely creates new avenues for policy. That said, if I vote third party and Biden wins I feel complicit for Palestine, Ukraine, Yemen, the border crisis... if Trump wins bc of my third party vote I feel like the judicial system and rule of law is at risk. I used to vote green--so I get you--but I had to stop after GW turned narrow margins into a project for a new American century.

Tristan K. Husby

I love how Biden says “mea coupa, mea coupa” instead if the actual “mea culpa, mea culpa.” I guess his accent comes out when he speaks Latin?

The Other Lauren

Sparky, you heard his bit on Biden. He's practically doing standup now. Why can't the dems get someone who does bits? It's criminal to let the right wing monopolize that

Alex B

I'm sorry but the 25th anniversary Phantom of the Opera original cast recording is the definitive edition for all the Phantom heads. Easily clears the 86' cast recording or the 04' film version.

Jaime Christley

Did Trump really bring them Casey's? He's going to sweep the entire midwest and the south.

J

Get Headtingermentum

Kinetics Video

Biden's a bad president but I'll forgive the whole thing if he invents some kind of Israel coded ritual suicide

Sam Schick

Israel has been a key piece in America’s Middle East policy, it has acted as a lightning rod for the blowback from our misadventures in the area, Biden is on record saying as much, “if there were not an Israel, we’d have to invent one” 2022 he’s on record saying similar things back in 1986. He’s a relic of the Clinton era “New Democrats” who were neoliberal hawks that were “tough on crime” and also gave up on pushing back on the republican austerity cuts in social services. They ushered in the most cynical era of the Democratic Party, where through lies both outright and through omission purported to be the same party of unions, working class, minorities and the poor while enacting policies that acted counter to all those interests. He’s a Hail Mary pass from an era of the Democratic Party that is running on fumes and really doesn’t care how it all shakes out, they’re all sunsetting and have wrung out decades of good living. The only people with the juice to steer the party at this point are psychos like Biden and Hilary who have chips on their shoulders for not having their time yet.

Sam Schick

Wrong, jr was the undeserving figurehead of the counter strike generation

Wes

the Pink Floyd version goes “DA DA,” not “DAAAAAAAAAA” poser

Wes

@Sparky SECOND term Clinton gave us 1998, possibly the most legendary year in the history of the medium.

Of course

Trump is imprisoned, and gets the GOP nod from prison. Biden strokes out, Kamala is laughed out, and Hillary gets the Dem nod. Trump (still from prison) beats Hillary, and is carried from prison in a velvet-tufted sedan to the White House. Just a guess.

Demented Avenger

Nope. Wrong. And Waters himself said that Webber stole the riff, identifying it as the same. Poser.

Kinetics Video

Imagining things happening to Biden in Minecraft is about my last remaining interest in this shit, and what can I say, walking into a wall? Donnie delivers.

Kinetics Video

Big question is if the Silicon Valley money comes into it's own and we get ppl like Phillips and Khanna or if those guys are still too stunted and weird for a national audience.

DotsTheHero

"I don't want Trump to win" followed almost immediately by "I think that you're lower than dogshit if you vote for Joe Biden", and then "I think nobody should vote in 2024" belies a deeply unserious position. I get Bernie lost but throwing in the towel and just laying out the welcome mat for American fascism is just not a good way to respond to it.

Matty C

Trumps magnet thing was talking about the magnetic shit the Navy has been doing, like the flight deck catapults

Kinetics Video

I do wonder how it's going to be perceived widely after this. You have the horrific outcome and Biden's insane statements, but also they're still running this "working behind closed doors to minimize harm" line, and I think they'll try to pin as much as they can on Netanyahu acting alone. I think ultimately it'll depend on whatever the Party's current needs are after the next term.

gavin curran

Do you think Biden isn’t a fascist

Kinetics Video

Yes, please shame us for the one time we had hope for better outcomes in our system. That will shake off the despair and indifference.

C. Andrew

This is implying that American presidental elections are serious and worth taking seriously.

Matt Murray

Just watched Charlie Kirk's takedown of MLK Jr. If anyone is looking for a good laugh I highly recommend. It's pretty funny.

Jed Levin

How come when Chapo posts new shows they don’t show up in my Patreon newsfeed (except the Hell of Presidents eps)? Weird.

Jaime Christley

Neocons merely adopted war hawkishness. Libs were born in it, molded by it.

Kinetics Video

Running fixed primaries always seems to hurt the candidate ultimately. Hilary's coronation is a big reason Trump won 2016. All for Republicans adopting the Democrat's mistakes, but that doesn't seem to be happening.

T

Biden is committing genocide right now.

Mike Loudin

Fascism isn't going to be thwarted in America by voting for the democratic party

Jacob Jenson

I’d like to submit Obamboozler as the Presidency in the video games category.

james

I actually know more about politics than ettingermentum

veni

That's not what 'belie' means lol, it means like the opposite of that. You want 'bespeaks' there.

Patrick Carroll

Vivek was the republican Beto. He ran only on culture war issues. Instead of Beto saying on day one he would ban all guns you get Vivek saying on day one he will order the fbi to be abolished

etienne

I signed up to ettingermentum to read The Art Of Losing: Stacey Abrams on a whim and then last time I saw the autobilling I was like dude what the hell I'm canadian and paying to read horse race analysis of US politics, I need to cut that off, but then when he said that the video game rating of US presidential terms was coming up next I was like yknow what let's leave it up another month

MKatieUltra

I've been explaining how much my dad is like Trump for 7 years and now I can add "love of Phantom (especially the Gerard Butler one)" to the list. We saw it in a theater together and he was like 🥺

lake

Well it does.

Brian

insanity

Kinetics Video

Good call. Also young and weird name. Vivek rapped badly in college, guess that would the bad skateboarding equivalent.

Kinetics Video

There's a lot if people lower than dog shit we'd like to see succeed. That's the basis of this web-based audio broadcast.

Diego Brown

Fetterman had it right. I should sit this one out.

DotsTheHero

if any of you seriously believe that Trump won't enable the genocide Biden is enabling even harder and without any shame you're idiots, and if you think that the path to creating better politics is to let anti-democratic fascists win elections you not only don't understand how politics work, you've probably never done a single act of political activism in your entire lives and just want to believe you're doing so now by withholding your vote pointlessly.

MKatieUltra

When I belatedly went from being a lib to being a leftist or whtevr and admitted this to myself, my stress levels when I'd hear clips of him were incredibly improved. Reversed even.

Jeffrey

if no one voted, theoretically the system would have lost all legitimacy, and we would already be setting up something else. not voting is very serious political activism, in fact. voting once every four years for the big guy =/= democracy. deep breath.

Logan

Whether Trump would "enable the genocide even harder" is a) unknowable b) not consistent with the fact that Trump has been far more willing to criticize Netanyahu and the American genocide cartels (state department etc) in general and c) most importantly, besides the point. People aren't voting for Biden because voting for a guy who is openly committing genocide is beneath anyone with a moral conscience.

DotsTheHero

Do you seriously believe that you can bring about a lack of voting significant enough to cause a perceived loss of legitimacy in the democratic process in this election cycle? If you do not you're just consigning vulnerable groups to suffering at the hands of Trump and the Republicans out of nothing but your own selfish frustration with the system. I'm frustrated too, but I cannot justify not voting while I have trans friends and family members whose lives hang in the balance.

Logan

Also Josh your argument, besides ignoring what is very obvious, is self contradictory. If you don't think we should let anti-democratic fascists win, then you definitely shouldn't vote for anti-democratic fascists.

DotsTheHero

Committing a genocide and enabling a genocide because it has been the norm to enable a genocide by your country's politics for the past 30 years are different things. Trump has not criticized the Netanyahu government for the genocide that you are complaining about that they are committing. Your classification of democrats as anti-democratic fascists is hyperbolic in the extreme particularly when their opposition is talking about using secession law against BLM protesters.

DotsTheHero

I don't actually personally hold it against anyone who finds it difficult to vote for Biden, or is deciding not to do so, but when you pretend it's some kind of brave moral stance, or some deeply philosophical act of activism you're doing, you're just being a pseudo-intellectual fucking moron. Not voting for Biden is not an act of political activism, it's you surrendering to the black-pill and becoming an accelerationist who just wants to see the worst possible outcome play out in your lifetime and don't give a fuck how many people have to suffer to satisfy your self destructive desires.

T

It's 1944 and it's an election between Adolf Hitler and Paul von Hindenburg, with you getting mad at people for not pledging allegiance to Adolf Hitler. If Biden loses, it'll be 100% his fault because he'll have lost for committing genocide. When he loses, the lesson we'll all learn is that you can lose elections for committing genocide. If you vote for him, you're saying "keep committing genocide and I'll keep voting for you", which means more genocide. It's ridiculous even to talk about this. You're arguing about whether people should vote for someone who's actually committing genocide or someone who you *guess* would commit even more genocide despite having already been president without committing genocide. If this is where you're at, it's over. The most ridiculous thing of all is that you *know* your vote isn't going to tip the scales, but you really want to make a symbolic gesture to salute Genocide Joe. Spend 5 minutes in silence thinking about whether or not you would go to Hell for voting for Joe Biden if Hell existed. If you think someone would have gone to Hell for voting for Hitler, then you're going to Hell.

Logan

Josh, it seems a lot of your argument hinges on the semantics of enabling vs committing genocide. You seem less indignant about the genocide than you are that I am "complaining" about it. How is it hyperbolic to call the president who has been funding wolfangle-wearing death squads in eastern Europe and, to adopt your language, "enabling" the genocide of a Semitic people an anti-democratic fascist? Especially when they publicly compare pro-palestine demonstators to charlottesville rally marches who they call domestic terrorists while also deploying federal agents from the his DHS and DOJ to surveil pro-Palestinian students at universities? I simply don't think this is hyperbolic. What would Biden need to do before you recognize him as fascist?

DotsTheHero

That's correct, it will have been Biden's fault for losing and I can't pin that on some guys in a chapo patreon, but this isn't about "who's fault it is" it's about what world you'd rather live in, and whether you'd like to mitigate damage in any way you possibly can. If you want to advocate for people to not vote, you have to live in the world that that could bring about where Joe loses, and Trump makes life a living hell for vulnerable minority groups. I don't believe in Hell, and that's all the more reason I have investment in not wanting to create the worst possible world in which to live out the rest of my one and only life.

DotsTheHero

If you think that there's absolutely no more nuance to it than that, and that Trump would not continue, and even ratchet up this israel war in any way he could, your politics are deeply unrealistic and unserious.

DotsTheHero

Logan, would you prefer the other president who will definitely do the exact same thing _and_ end democracy in the country you live in? If you would, your politics are deeply unserious and you have no values besides just alleviating your own frustration with the momentary failures of leftism in our country by doing nothing to prevent the worst possible outcome.

Logan

Also I'm not saying that not voting for a guy facilitating a genocide is a brave moral stance, just the opposite, it's just the bare minimum of morality. I am definitely not saying not voting is activism, that would be ridiculous. It is not a deep philosophical argument either. My argument is the most simple argument in the world: It's bad to support genocide and the political leaders who enable OR commit it. I'm neither an accelerationist nor a black-pilled cynic who doesn't care about the suffering of the world's most vulnerable people. To be honest if I was, why would I argue AGAINST voting for Joe Biden?

DotsTheHero

Listen, I don't like the idea of voting for a person who is enabling a genocide in Israel, however, I see Donald Trump as a worse possibility because he represents a future in which we will be helpless to stop any future genocides our country decides to commit because democracy will no longer exist within this country even to the limited degree in which it does. I do not believe in christian morality, I don't believe I go to hell for who I decide to cast my vote for. I am concerned with the candidate who stems the tide of illiberal, ademocratic, brutal fascism, which will cause death and suffering to people at home who I care about, and abroad. Ultimately that's all we can accomplish by voting for liberals, yes, delaying the excesses of the worst most violent American fascism, and ultimately the work required to defeat it in the long term is going to be grueling and long and is called activism, and campaigning, not just deciding to stay home and blaming other people when the worst comes to pass, as if it's not a reality that YOU will have to live with along with the rest of us. Reject the black pill.

Logan

We're already helpless to stop the genocides the national security cartel decides to commit. Voting for Biden becomes you think he will turn back the tide of fascism is a lot like voting for Trump because you think he will bring coal jobs back. I agree that the long and grueling necessities are ultimately what are required, this is true regardless of whether or how you choose to vote.

J P 3

Regardless of what you think or hope, if Biden is the nominee, he is going to lose. You don't win re-election if you have a favorability rating in the low 30s, 11 months before an election. Biden was fortunate in 2020, because COVID-19 gave him an excuse to stay off the campaign trail. One of the mind-blowing things about the Biden effort so far is that this guy who is over 80 years old, with sky-high negatives, yet he and his team are so complacent that less than a year out they haven't even set up ground operation or campaign staff in key swing states. The level of entitlement is just off the charts. At this stage, Biden is effectively von Hindenburg in your fascist analogy. The opinion of majorities of Democratic voters aren't influencing him at this point on key issues, so I'm not really clear why he expects that people will just fall in line in November.

DotsTheHero

Every single leftist movement in human history that has failed to differentiate between the indifference of liberals and the utter brutality of fascists have lost oceans of blood for their miscalculation. You are literally looking at two groups of people, one of which are terrible on foreign policy, accepting of vulnerable minorities, neutral to positive on unions, and dependent upon these groups to win elections, and comparing them to people who will drag union leaders, and leftist organizers, and any protester from their homes and murder them in the streets to the adoration of their hooting chud followers, and failing to see ANY difference between the two of them. That's on you. There is no future for leftism in a Republican ruled country except the barrel of a gun in the dead of night, and if you can't see that you're repeating the mistakes of countless leftist movements of the past.

gavin curran

99% hitler and 100% Hitler is still Hitler comrade

T

Biden is already committing genocide. The ultimate blackpill is voting for Biden. 24,100 Palestinians murdered and 60,834 wounded, and half of these are children, if it matters to you how old they were. What's the most evil thing Trump did? Kids in cages? Biden continued "kids in cages" and now he's put thousands of kids in body bags. He kept Building The Wall. Everything Trump did that you're worried about, Biden did too. But even Trump was never a segregationist. If you're voting for Biden, you're terminally Joekerfied. What do you think a second Biden term is going to be? Do you think he's going to spend his second term undoing everything he's done in his first term? It's never been more Joever. Thinking that Biden is any better than Trump is just the result of you falling for an ad campaign. They're both demonic and more evil than the worst person you've ever met IRL. They're serial killer pedophiles. No one is forcing you to simp for either of them.

DotsTheHero

Even if I take this seriously 99% of hitler is 60,000 lives saved. But in seriousness the absurdity of that comparison is just too ludicrous to overlook. Do you think Bernie Sanders is hitler too? He supports Israel aswell, he's always supported them. If you can't see the difference between Bernie Sanders and Trump as far as I'm concerned you're not even doing political thought right now, you're just suicidally ideating over your percieved hopelessness of your current political moment and frankly I'd rather you just go ahead and commit suicide than subject the internet to your absurd depressive phase.

T

Now you're telling people to kill themselves in the comments. It's Joever for you. You lose.

DotsTheHero

I'm literally done talking to Tommy, you're literally just a MAGA Communist genuinely trying to argue that Trump would be better on any of this shit like he wasn't the biggest israel cuck in American history. You are just not a serious person whatsoever and I'm pretty sure every time I see you post that I'm arguing with some 14 year old edgelord so instead of actually responding to any of your arguments I'm just going to remind you to go and do your homework before school tomorrow.

T

I don't think Trump is better than Biden. I'm not saying to vote for Trump. I'm saying not to vote at all. You know what I'm saying. This isn't the first time you've ever heard of the idea of not voting for either of two horrible candidates.

DotsTheHero

What you are, is a non-serious person who was literally just before this arguing that Trump had better foreign policy decisions than Biden, you know what I'm saying. You are just a person who has nothing to lose no matter who wins this election, so you can afford to just sit online comfortable in your future regardless of outcome and be some moronic edgelord who will insist to their dying breath that there is absolutely no difference between Trump and Biden despite the obvious reality that there is a world of difference between them, from the flagrance of their use of power, to the motivations of the people who vote for them and what they need to do to maintain those votes. You're just a comfortable little edgelord with no horse in this race who couldn't care less whether women lose more rights, or trans people are deprived of even more rights, free to be a moping little blackpilled freak online.

Logan

Damn Josh (can you write me a prescription?)

DotsTheHero

Neither one of you probably even voted in 2020 anyways, probably came up with some excuse about how since Bernie Sanders lost a primary (He supports the genocide too by the way) that there was no point. There's no real point in continuing from here. I've spoken my peace.

T

What I said is the same thing that Will said in the episode you're commenting on. If you think Will is a "MAGA communist" "moping little blackpilled freak" who doesn't care about women and trans people losing rights, you're "not a serious person" and you should stop giving him money by subscribing to Chapo. I don't want women and trans people to lose rights, and you have 0 reason to believe I would want that. I want women and trans people to have more rights than ever before. I want them to have more rights than you. I want you to have the same rights as a Gazan child does under the Biden administration.

Logan

Bye 👋

J P 3

The fundamental problem is that Biden has blown up the coalition that elected him. I agree with you too that there are areas where Biden is better than Trump (labor policy is a mixed bag, but still monumentally better than what Trump would offer). Biden's support for organized labor and most unions (rail workers excepted), will help him on the margins. When it comes to foreign policy and the western hemisphere, Biden has given countries more latitude to operate. He has effectively continued Trump's border policy and foreign policy in the Middle East -- these moves will cost him. I don't think it is reasonable to expect any of Biden's Arab-American volunteers from 2020 in places like Michigan, who have had family murdered with U.S. made bombs in Palestine to rally support for Biden in 2024 (not a hypothetical). He has failed these communities. People who have lost homes, or who are struggling with student loan debt, or child care, have no reason to back Biden in 2024 either. Immigrant rights activists have been largely failed by this administration as well. There are obviously a ton of dangers with a Trump re-election. However, people who dismiss the risks associated with keeping an 82/86-year old who still thinks he is a Senator, and who operates on a Senator's schedule in power in a period of severe domestic and international crises, are also not dealing with the reality of the situation either. Time and energy should be focused on getting the Democrats to nominate someone who is better suited for the moment and less of an electoral liability than Biden. If we were operating in the private sector in a high performing business, there already would have been a product recall and an effort to address customers needs and concerns. If the Democrats are incapable of adapting in this moment, of course it will be a disaster for everyone. The situation is already a disaster and running Biden in 2024 will only make things worse.

DotsTheHero

Low motivation to vote for him, the fact that there are demos he's utterly failed who will not go to bat for him because of it, are all understandable. I'm literally not here to go door to door demanding that every single person vote for Biden if they aren't thinking about it right now but if people want to publically say "There's no difference between Trump and Biden and there's no reason you should vote in 2024" I am going to push back on that incredibly moronic and factually wrong statement. If Biden loses in 2024 it will ultimately be his fault for the things he's done, it will fall on the democrats as a whole too, and no single vote determines an election. All of that can be true, and is, and it can all be true along with the fact, that any individual declaring that there's no difference between Trump and Biden and no point in voting in 2024, is a fucking idiot engaging in non-serious political advocacy.

Miles Galaska

Really excited for the new project! Is the Spencer mentioned as involved the guy from Good Old Fashioned Values?

Zach Pierce

1,000,000 dead Americans? Creating mass vaccine skepticism ? Maybe stay in Steve Bannon’s Patreon

Zach Pierce

Wow, you are really smart*

Zach Pierce

Ask women that are dying because they can’t get reproductive healthcare if Presidential elections “matter” you dolt. Or people that now have HEALTHCARE

Zach Pierce

Your imagination is not reality.

Zach Pierce

You’re so edgy and clever.

Zach Pierce

Then go ahead and vote for Trump and thanks for identifying yourself as the pro-racism and pro rapist voter.

Zach Pierce

You think a rapist who is bringing about the balkanization of the United States is “funny.” How quaint of you. Tell that to 12 year old girls forced to give birth to their rapist’s babies.

J P 3

Joshua, no disagreement on the differences between Biden and Trump (there are some and for many voters those are going to be decisive). Of course, I think Biden is too far underwater with voters to recover by November 2024 (personally, I think his first two years with Ron Klain as Chief of Staff were good overall, but the administration post mid-terms with Jeff Zients has been disastrous). Hopefully, for the good of the country, the Democrats course correct and find a higher quality, more electable nominee between now and the Fall.

Dylan Schwaegel

The Pope's been going off about this too. Straight up called the IDF terrorists after they sniped two women in a Catholic Church. As a Catholic myself, I think a lot of American Catholics are at this point protestants and many of those have adopted that satanic rapture doomsday cult bs. But my read is most Catholics who aren't like that are pretty apalled. I can at least speak for myself when I say my faith has inspired me to take a very active role in my local ceasefire movement.

Dylan Schwaegel

Segment about not voting for Biden is chicken soup for my soul. So sick of the lib nonsense about how this genocidal piece of shit is the only thing between us and fascism. Majority Report clips on this and their comment section have taken a lot out of me the past few days.

THEKILLERWHALE

I will never watch or rewatch any of these films, but my guess is that some of the ludicrous stabs at artistic relevance such as Gerard Butler / Madonna starring in musicals or middle-brow art films like Nell are among the funniest movies ever made. Or they might be unendurable slogs. One of the two but there may be a gem in there.

Crosley Querin

I thought Felix was about to announce a miniseries on fromsoft games with Josh. Pleasantly surprised its only on cross-dressing wife beaters.

etienne

it's very convenient that the best art and games came out when I was a teen, too!

Natalie

Biden could gain ground if he chose to appeal to the votes he's losing (y'know, how elections work), but instead he sends billions to Israel to kill children. You can proselytize all you want, but you're the one pulling the lever. I understand fear is driving this argument, and you're free to vote how you choose, but you can't blame anyone but Biden for his failures. If I lose my right to marriage, it's worth it for standing up for my morals. I'm simply not voting for genocide. Scream till your throats bleed or start knocking doors.

Natalie

Christie dropped out? I thought he got 35 votes in Iowa cause he's a loser 😕

aarinsanity

Electoral politics is just f*cked right now. Real change happens on the ground although I think many of us will be sitting this one out!

MKatieUltra

I grew up w my dad listening to Phantom so I regard it as cringey schlock, but in a comforting way. But that's most musicals imo. I do think there's something about the ugly evil genius (except he's hot in GB's case) in Phantom that appeals to narcissistic boomer men.

gavin curran

Wait is the genocide in Palestine not bad enough?

Matt Murray

Hillary is way too young. Let's go with John Kerry.

Michael Landreth

I feel you. The desire to protect some targeted persons from political bigotry is the one thing that keeps almost making me start voting again and siding with the Dem party. But then I remember that the Dems don’t actually do anything to protect those groups so it doesn’t matter.

DK

KatrinaJadeHelm

Did some googling on the best head of gov for video games and I have to give the crown to Junichiro Koizumi

Natalie

I hate when people say carpet bombing poor starving people is bad

William Beamish

what's their bad take on foreign policy?

EaZy E

I mean, you can get into details, but it's absolutely correct. Not to mention, details have been shared over and over again. You need one more over again?

Jaime Christley

"I hate when upper class American failsons have no further analysis than “America bad”" splendid kill sir. please serve all of my foreign policy analysis needs moving forward.

Jason Matthews

The Houthis aren't paragons of sexual morality like Saudia Arabia or the United States Marine Corp, you're right.

M.R. Alchemist

I've finally come around, I've realized my Bernie-bro leftism has consequences for marginalize folx... that's why I'll be voting for Elizabeth warren this November

M.R. Alchemist

Under which admin was roe v wade reversed?

Jaime Christley

In re some comments that were either deleted or removed - it really is remarkable how most people on here (+ most people everywhere) can go day in and day out being normal, maybe disagree on this or that, but essentially they're held together by some basic human decency. BUT every now and then a genuinely despicable person pops by, and the following sequence will occur: 1) "me me me complain" 2) (gets some pushback) 3) "STUART SELDOWITZ MADE SOME GOOD POINTS TBH" You can set your fucking watch to it. It's like, yeah, not everybody can take criticism. I used to absolutely suck at it. But if someone is genuinely a piece of shit, they go RIGHT for the "genocide against brown people is good actually" (or some other reprehensible view) angle. It really is that simple. They're like Jim Carrey in LIAR LIAR trying to say the pen is red. Anyway just a couple of things that've been going through my head. Horror fans check out the Argentine tingler WHEN EVIL LURKS (2023), it's kind of one of those "First half better than the second half" but that first half had me whooping and hooting. That's your movie recommendation from your old pal. I think it's on Shudder.

M.R. Alchemist

Rimjobs for Raytheon: The Nikki Haley Story

M.R. Alchemist

What's the difference they're the same party?

Jason Matthews

Thanks dude, I'll try to check it out. For the record, tho, I don't think that was a normal person: every detail screamed hasbara zombie.

etienne

so sad to see that any pro-israel opinion is being silenced on here. I hope this person can find solace and understanding like literally anywhere else or within the very core of the halls of power

Jaime Christley

you know that bit from The Exorcist where they talk about the demon/the devil "mixing truth with lies"? real-life shitheads can get about 1.5 steps out of their front door before their veneer shatters and they go full George Wallace.

Jaime Christley

etienne-- too right. anywhere one can be safely insulated from more than 1 question about their worldview.

John Lima

DC towel trick reference!

Logan

Hello Sparky I'm not voting for a guy enabling an actual genocide occuring in reality (as opposed to the one that exists in your fantasy). It sounds like you are implying that by not voting for Trump, I would be tacitly supporting genocide joe though. You've given me a lot to think about.

Shaunda Swearingen

Catholics are not typically zionists, and the current pope is very much not one. So, I'm not sure that explains it. Old people tend to be zionists.

Antipaganda

I have faith in Chelsea to climb that mountain of failure and lose to Benjamin Netanyahu

Antipaganda

Trump is symptom, not cause. He's a particularly stinky patch of froth on the sewage pond.

gavin curran

Sparky, read this headline and tell me how Biden is different on immigration than trump. ‘Senate republicans warn house they won’t get a better immigration deal under trump’

Tyler Sutherland

He is the Nate Silver of the terminally online twitter left. It just bugs me that this biggish Twitter account stated the obvious about how 2022 was going to be good for Dems (it wasn't, just "not as bad", but anyway) that everyone not doomerpilled could see coming, and many did! They just didn't have his visibility. He gave no specifics, no nothing, just vibes. Now, though, I gotta see him everywhere saying "the sun will come up tomorrow" and getting applause like he's frigging Albert Einstein. He's gonna be more wrong than he was previously and people will either make excuses or not get why this low level newspaper guy isn't that special or good at political prognostication.

Matthew Krueger

_ _ _ _ > _ _ _ _ _ _ < _ _ _ _ _ _ Never forget!

Wesley Campbell Caretto

Ok I'm only 2 minutes into the episode, but I had to come here to say this... How on earth are they saying Obama's second term is one of the worst for video games? Dark Souls 2 and 3, Bloodborne, GTA V, Metal Gear Solid V, Rocket League, the Witcher 3, and to name a few... Yeah COD and Halo and AC games were shitty but I'm just stunned they could say 2013-2016 was anything other than an elite period in gaming

Matthew Krueger

I'm feeling like he's the best option too, I mean, if you still feel morally compelled to vote. As a great man once said: Change My Mind.

Will Elliot

Magnets thing could be a nephew line

Paul F. Holzfäller

I’m amazed that anyone can use the word “magnetic” to describe that moist retard. I’d go with “extra conductive.”

John J Meehan V

New Hampshire mentioned rahhhh 🦅🦅🦅

Wesley Thompson

Hard to hear the suggestion to not vote. No problem with not voting d or r but a vote for any 3rd party candidate would be a much stronger statement than a boycott of our voting rights

Lydia Maria Child

I love when people say that this is "wasting" your vote. Oh, ok, let me vote for corrupt psychopaths then, good call.

Sarah S

Write someone in then.

Khemith

Voting is like selecting one of 4 terrible hairdos in a PS1 game.