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Street Fight Radio - Call In Show - 12-19-2021 (Patreon)

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2021-12-20 01:03:15
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Street Fight Radio - Call In Show - 12-19-2021

Working through the Southern Tier Costco pack

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Jacob

some pretty weird shit from Brett there at the beginning

Fellow Worker

I can’t really circle the square of how many podcast and streamer leftists I have been a huge supporter and fan of for the past five years have completely given up on any amount of personal responsibility when it comes to Covid-19. Doing what you can to not get it means you are doing your part to help prevent the most vulnerable folks from getting it. I find it really misanthropic and ableist to act like we all just need to get it and it will become “endemic” etc. which is the newest lie that the media is telling us so that we all just ‘get back to work.’ Fuck all that. To Brett apparently living his life means getting to go out to metal shows but for a lot of other people living their life means not dying on a ventilator. I’m really hoping that all that posturing is just Brett trying to cope because he’s being an idiot.

dustin.d.struction

There are a million reasons to not want to get covid. A lot of us work places that aren’t going to pay us when we get it, we’re just out of work. A lot of us live and work around elderly people, unvaccinated people, etc. I get that it’s frustrating and fatiguing, but it’s actually good to care and peoples circumstances are all wildly different.

LEFD

Hi Bryan and Brett, hope you're well. Just joined the Patreon but have listened to you almost a year. I was very sad to hear Brett's frustration and how he felt overwhelmed by covid and the chat's response to his frustration. As someone in medicine who has kept a very close account of pandemic rhetoric and (lack of) policies since it began, your complaints and observations have been fairly on the mark. They're also not "doomer"- they're realistic. It's understandable to want to move on, to feel like one can't live in fear anymore. This is more about one individual, though. Unfortunately, too many people, even within medicine and public health, prefer to play politics or think they understand what is happening by virtue of their station in life and their ideological allegiances. They're wrong and they have contributed to the absolute disaster that is the pandemic response and its cultural, psychological, physical, and economic effects on ordinary people. The Biden admin has been just as bad as Trump, period. In fact, they're more obnoxious by trying to make it seem like they're being proactive or parroting "believe in science" bs but not actually doing anything to mitigate the issue. Fire example, in May the CDC removed masking guidelines for fully vaccinated people even though there was NO data on whether the vaccine prevented someone from getting infected or from spreading it to others. The vaccine trials did not test that, only vaccines' ability to 1)prevent death and 2)severe hospitalization. CDC also stopped tracking infections among vaccinated individuals unless they were hospitalized; many states reduced or stopped contact tracing and switched to less frequent data reporting (like weekly in FL), and the quality of tracking decreased. Missouri for a couple of weeks stopped compiling infection/death numbers entirely. Despite these policy changes, they did know the Delta variant was more infectious compared to alpha (the wild-type virus, ie the original one). That's why they had to backtrack and try to reinstitute the masking guidelines for vaccinated individuals. By that point, however, people internalized that they were no longer at risk, which made it more difficult to continue asking people to use masks. States and federal govt also made no attempt to provide reusable, high-quality masks and respirators. The lapse of the eviction moratorium and other assistance was also disastrous. Abd I say this as someone who thought the moratorium was inadequate and we should've paid rent instead. Biden admin's "pandemic of the unvaccinated" line from July onward was also destructive. So was their use of shoddy research to argue for schools' reopening. School reopenings led to large outbreaks in August and September. Cases have steadily climbed throughout the country since then. On sep 1 the US had aprox 500 deaths for children ages 0-17. As of December 18, that number increased to 1,015. And the Biden admin has continued to push an individual responsibility narrative that does. not. work. It just doesn't. A vaccine-only approach does not work- community transmission was never methodically reduced, so infections confined. It was more important to "safeguard the economy" than to keep people alive and give them the social and financial support they needed. And many, many medical and public health professionals have chosen to remain silent about this. Professional role/career doesn't absolve someone from bad opinions and bad politics and believe me, there's a lot of bs politics in medicine and public health. I've tried to get support among my peers and supervisors to organize and demand better state action, to demand organizations with national reach don't stay silent. But people don't care. They don't want to rock the boat, they don't want to jeopardize their grant funding or their promotion, or they think science is "apolitical". Even worse, some believe the ridiculous propaganda about the pandemic of the unvaccinated or "only people in red states are dying, because they're white anti-vax republicans". This isn't true- even after full vaccination, people of color and especially poor and working class people have higher mortality rates. Why? They are working shittier jobs, in person, with higher exposure risk. They are more likely to live with more people, to have less options to isolate safely, to get sick pay. This is a pandemic of capitalism, where eugenicist thought is now the order of the day. So to be honest, you have every right to those observations/critiques. This isn't about individual responsibility. We have collectively chosen not to pay people to stay home, pay people's rent, give better pay and covid protection to workers in essential sectors like nursing homes, home care teaching, food production and distribution. I'm about to graduate and become a doctor. I'm not white, I'm not from a rich family, I paid for every class and worked damn hard to get into school, because I know medicine in the US sucks and we need people that want to destroy it and create something better. It is disgraceful that we have allowed this to continue happening. I don't know if you will read this but I wanted to share it anyway. Happy to connect you to potential lefty med/pub health people sounding alarms for practically the whole thing, for interviews after the holidays, if that interests you. Although by then I imagine another 100,000 people will have died (about ~400k have died in 2021; the US has had more than 1,000 deaths per day the past 120 days). I really hope people get their head out of their asses before this happens.

zergtroll

Street Fight seems to be in the pocket of the anti-dog lobby. It's a damn shame

Laurel

To me it sounds like Brett has reached a high level of frustration over the Covid crisis, and I feel a lot of empathy towards him (though I don’t agree with all his conclusions on the issue). I SO appreciate the many comments here! Keep vigilant, y’all (even doing so is a privilege since the state and most employers are making things more difficult for the individual). If there’s capitalist realism, perhaps there’s Covid realism?

Cole Heideman

I think there's some overestimation going on here as far as how safe having gotten it once makes you in the future, but I definitely understand the sort of feeling that now you know what it's like and don't have to have the same sort of fear about it. There's also this tendency for the non-liberal left to want to mirror the liberal left and be as scold-y and hyper woke about covid as possible. No shit it wouldn't be good for a disabled or differently abled person to get covid- it also wouldn't be smart for that person to take the same level of risk that Brett takes and has decided is okay in the first place. Eliminating that gap in opportunity would mean eliminating public life ala proper quarantine again, which I don't think we are going to see anywhere, so while it's going on, people will decide for themselves how much is safe to participate, no sense in scolding or trying to convince anyone otherwise- we've already seen how well that works in vaccine and mask compliance to begin with.

Fellow Worker
>>74107192

Too bad for all of the people who have died who never have any say in the matter over their exposure. People who have a choice, like Brett, deserve scolding most especially for a shitty and flippant attitude about it because a significant portion of people actually have very little control over their exposure. You can say I’m “mirroring the liberal left” but I would rather do that than mirroring right wing nonsense and an American individualist idea of freedom. Acting like this looks more like Ayn Rand libertarian bullshit instead of Anarcho-communism.

C

An ethic of community care should be foundational to a leftist politics. It’s super frustrating to hear this “hyper-individualism is freedom” bullshit. If we don’t care about each other what is the point of struggling for a different world?

Andrew S

Hard to listen to

C
>>74084843

Feeling frustrated is a generous reading of his comments, and also definitely an understandable feeling in this current moment. I just wish that people-especially men, and especially men with a platform-could name how they are feeling (scared, frustrated, uncertain, sad) rather than doing this toxic masculine bullshit of acting like they don’t care or there aren’t real risks or that no one else matters.

Laurel
>>74084843

Hey, C. Oh yea, I was interpreting his comments generously because he has been vulnerable (discussing how lonely this holiday is for him since divorcing and what not). Given many of the feelings he has been sharing on the show, I’d assumed he was at his worst.

Heath Hemmer

It was like a friend you haven't seen in a long time telling you about jet fuel and steel beams. Feel better, thank you for everything.

JW

Just put this on to see what the fuss was about because of the apology post. Been listening for years and have never once tuned in for medical advice. Not trying to stir up shit but come on, some of you need to grow up. Dude’s just blowing off steam. We’re all frustrated

ROD F
>>74074055

This reply was really good, thank you. I’m Not in medicine but this all makes sense as to my read of how things have went and are going, I feel like I am losing my mind every day as we watch so many people die

LEFD
>>74074055

Hi ROD F. Thank you for your comment. You're definitely not the only one losing their mind over this. People know when they're being played, and it angers me so much to see how condescending people in power act towards us, as if we don't matter. I just wish we could organize better against this, but it has been hard to share info and mount a response, even among "the left". Even in a pandemic we can't get our shit together.

Anders Olsson

As a dude who works as a store clerk, Brett has pretty much the exact opinion that I and all of my colleagues have. We've been forced to be around idiots who can't follow restrictions for nearly two years now and the only way to not go insane is to be a little fatalistic about it. The default mode is to just accept that you're going to be infected and hope that it's a mild case so you can relax for six months or however long the immunity lasts. People who get upset by that attitude are probably people who can control their work enviroment or are allowed to work from home. Those of us who can't don't have the option of being all serious about it 24/7 because the customers are not.