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#561 - Mulholland Drive, Part 1 (Patreon)

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Hollywood produces dreams on an industrial scale, but it also feeds our own dreams back to us. And no movie has ever understood Hollywood better than David Lynch's MULHOLLAND DRIVE (2001). In the first of a two-part discussion, we dissect David Lynch's masterpiece. PLUS: The hallmarks of bad conservative, left-wing, and liberal writing, as seen through the lens of one Mr. Jordan Peterson.

"I am ready for my re-education. Who will be my tutor?" by Jordan Peterson - https://nationalpost.com/opinion/jordan-peterson-i-am-ready-for-my-re-education-who-will-be-my-tutor

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sinesynced

The Usual Suspects also sucks ass, speak your truth Will

Boris Michajlovic

Hey, it was the ghetto in Poland, Lublin but I might be wrong, definitely not KL. Shit movie indeed..

murt pie

Great points about prose as it relates to ideology. Dense Butlerian critical theory has always struck me as having an element of hazing to it: how much of this graceless muck are you able to slog through before you tap out? As far as The Dark Professor goes, that's a quintessential example of writing that's trying very, very hard to sound smart, which isn't at all the same as writing that actually *is* smart. Smart writing is clear and precise, and all the rhetorical ornamentation just serves to dress up what's finally pretty banal thinking. It's a foot of frosting and an inch of cake.

murt pie
>>150416634

The greatest trick Hollywood ever pulled was to convince the world Kevin Spacey was a great actor.

Blank

Let’s fucking go.

Victor Holmberg
>>150421045

Some of it, I think, is heritage from Marx and later Frankfurt (both, of course, at times unreadable). On the other hand, not necessarily disagreeing about your point on Butlerian theory but it is also topics (Gender, power, perfomativity, capitalism) that are difficult to write about without going into difficult language. Like you wouldn't necessarily demand that research in hard sciences should be easily distegeable, so why should it be in social science?

Blank

Is LS merely a projection of who WS would have been if that kid in the occupy photo went into politics? Is WS merely a projection of LS had he stuck with his passion in film?

Michael McLoughlin

We need to know who this critical theory author is. Name names, coward.

Kranky

Once the Sorkin gauntlet is done, I’d love them to tackle Twin Peaks the Return.

Ekaterina Sedia

Sorry to be pedantic, but you cannot be coconut – pilled by RFK Jr. I believe the correct term is “roofied“.

Michael and Us
>>150421045

I agree and this is why I think there's a subtlety to criticizing it. Because there's all kinds of specialized stuff in the humanities and social sciences that isn't particularly accessible to those outside a given field, and there's often no reason why it should be. Because you're right: no one places the same expectation on the hard sciences, e.g. expecting a quantum physicist to explain what they're working on in a few digestible sentences or whatever. It's also old hat to say that critical theory writing is bad. But...having read a ton of it I feel pretty confident in saying that a lot of it actually is quite bad. And not merely bad in the sense of being poorly executed, but in the sense that the author themselves doesn't actually fully know what they're saying because traditional enterprises like truth, judgement, structure, narrative are now all in question and all that's left is limitless abstraction. - Luke

Chris Sherman

Justice for Kurtwood Smith: the Guy From Robocop!

Victor Holmberg
>>150421045

Absolutely agree with that - much truth in that as a meta-critique of CT. Adorno in particular springs to mind. The ruthless critique of everything existing seems to be a difficult balance to strike - think there is a reason for the many revisions by Marx of his own works.

Chris Sherman

Phenomenal episode, so many great insights here, can’t wait for the second part. One note on Rita Hayworth and the Rita character. Hayworth was Spanish-American and initially cast in Hollywood as “exotic” “foreign” characters. She later got a “white”/Anglo makeover and became a famous female lead and notably a femme fatale. This mirrors Mulholland Drive’s Rita’s (repressed?) Hispanic ethnicity (Betty puts a blonde wig on her, she only begins speaking Spanish in the midst of a dream.) To take is a bit further, it also seems to echo Madelein’s liminal colonial Spanish heritage in Vertigo. I see this one as Lynch’s Vertigo, as Blue Velvet was his Rear Window. By the way, did anyone else find the neo-Nazi review of this film back in the 00s? It was… very bad!

Oliver Crane

The last time I watched the audition scene I realized that the male actor is Joe Biden.

Jeremy Hawkins

If you want to find the meaning of Eraserheader, don't look for meaning in the King James Bible, you're more likely to find meaning in the Rick James Bible.

Oliver Crane

Also yeah I think Spacey works really well in L. A. Confidential, possibly due to the fact that he’s playing a corrupt sleazebag and is not in the movie all that much.

Josh Bayer

I also told you guys about the spacy thing in this forum like a month ago. I’ve been obsessed with that whole special for many years.

James Waters

Question for Will and Luke: Have either of you seen the entirety of Twin Peaks, including (and especially) The Return?

George Olken

Luke mentioned this is his tenth viewing. The Brattle Theatre in Cambridge, Mass, ran a great promotion for David Lynch's INLAND EMPIRE: pay to see the movie nine times and your tenth viewing is free!

Gabriel Flynn

Loved this. They’re showing the film in my local cinema this weekend so I’m gonna see it again on the big screen before Part 2.

Robert White

A couple of other facets to David Lynch’s art that I think are interesting to consider in this film, along with dreams, are the nature of memory and the notion of past, present, and future all being kind of a single thing. Memory being a narrative, just as a dream is, and just as changeable, is an interesting way to think about the first part of the film when we are in the second part (Betty-Diane). And then the idea that the end has already happened when the movie starts is an interesting way to watch it, too. Thanks guys - Looking forward to part two!

Gabriel Flynn
>>150486284

Have also wondered what the boys think of The Return - so different from recent tired revamps of 80s and 90s classics in that it did something completely new and also put the struggle to return at the heart of the narrative in Dougie’s struggle to return to Agent Cooper

Chris Sherman
>>150451779

Yes, and let me quickly add that I found it merely by searching the name of the movie plus review. I think it was on a website called storm front? The gist was Aryan Betty vs Jewish Kesher fighting over a lady with dark hair. Wake up, blonde-haired people! Better grasp of the structure than Ebert, but much worse politics.

Sean

For me, the best encapsulation of the dream experience is The Test Dream episode of the Sopranos in Season 6 - it prompted me to read Finnegans Wake (fellow members of Michael and Us nation, do not follow my lead)

piranhaplant
>>150435593

I'm gonna guess Fredric Jameson because: (1) he just came out with a new book (2) he just died (3) he's great (4) his writing was diabolical

James Waters
>>150486284

Yeah I think it’s incredible, the time since it’s release has proved that there was and never will be anything like it, somehow Lynch’s grand statement, allowing him to go further than he’s ever gone. And like Mulholland Dr. it seems to have been prescient about many things, esp. this lega-sequel thing that it completely disassembles (among its many achievements)

James Waters
>>150486284

Btw some fellow Canadians did an excellent podcast on The Return called ‘The Lodgers’ as it was being released, still holds up: https://twinpeakspodcast.fireside.fm/episodes (Also secretly hoping ‘The Return’ will be focussed on instead of the newsroom haha, they’re probably similar lengths but ironic Sorkin watching is better in small doses, I find)

James Waters
>>150435593

I was too afraid to say it lol, glad someone could speak out. RIP to him tho, despite his recent writing. Was a super important writer worth checking out regardless.

Oliver Crane
>>150486284

Yeah the Lodgers is great, I’m very wary of Twin Peaks content/podcasts bc it can get so much into trying to solve it or focus on the kitschy stuff but they really approach it in a way that works for me.

James Waters
>>150486284

Yeah I share your beliefs, I’m kinda blind to all the “fan” type, cherry pie/kitsch-y related nostalgia for the show (most of which I unfairly attribute to Frost). I kinda associate them with those who decried FWWM, which Lynch and many others now consider his best work. But “The Lodgers” was great, super informative and well-researched by some great critics associated with cinema scope (RIP). I don’t want to sound like a gatekeeper but it does confuse me a bit the kitsch/fan culture associated with the show, considering how horrifying the core of it is.

Tom

Until I heard Will's impression, I hadn't realised how similar David Lynch and Michael Moore sound. Is the real meaning of Mulholland Drive that it's a prequel to Slacker Uprising..?

ChapoFan inParis

I just saw this movie for the first time last night thanks to M&U. Man this movie is such a bummer.

ChapoFan inParis

The dance at the beginning is the Lindy Hop. And it's not "quintessential 50s", but quintessential 90s. Mulholland Drive was made during the late 90's Swing fad that had been stoked by the movie Swing Kids, starring Dead Poet Society's Robert Sean Leonard.