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#567 - Requiem for a Joker (Patreon)

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2024-10-21 17:33:19
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Five years after Joker because an era-defining cultural phenomenon, its sequel, JOKER: FOLIE A DEUX (2024), is the biggest flop of the year. We sifted through the wreckage to find a purposely abrasive object, and are split on its effectiveness.

TORONTO - See Luke speak at Progressive Publics: A Symposium Connecting Scholarship & Independent Media, November 8 - https://www.eventbrite.ca/e/progressive-publics-a-symposium-connecting-scholarship-independent-media-tickets-1051089455857

TORONTO - See Will introduce a screening of Fantasy Mission Force - https://www.foxtheatre.ca/movies/important-cinema-club-masterpiece-classics-fantasy-mission-force/

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David

Hell yeah.

Blank

Aw man I liked the original, bummed to hear from the boys that this is a flop

Blank

The description reminds me a lot of Matrix 4 (refuses to deliver on what’s expected of these IP-driven sequels, director has left politics, film is pretty ambitious but is ultimately not that enjoyable as a film/I felt similarly to LS that I nonetheless appreciated its integrity)

Tess

people, watch the peoples joker

David

Just watched Luke's remarks at the state funeral for Ed Broadbent. Very eloquent and moving, well done.

Swaggypeepaw

I wish that Gaga was reprising her role from the sopranos

Michael Warren

“What if we remade Midnight Cowboy, but it’s Harlequin and Poison Ivy?” “What if we remade Raging Bull, but it’s Bane?” “What if we remade the Godfather, but it’s The Fantastic Four?” “What if we remade McCabe and Mrs Miller but, it’s Spiderman and the Black Widow?”

Myles Bartoli

Would love to listen to this now but really should save it for the workday tomorrow.

James Washburn

So this was basically a tantrum by Todd Phillips that he has the wrong fan base that isn’t at the cool kids’ table?

Orn Pauldorf
>>152968750

what if we reboot the Three Stooges, but two of them are Robert Downey Jr and the third is Mark Ruffalo w/ mo-cap balls all over him

murt pie

Oh man, on Reddit they are MAD that anyone would dare to be so impious with their capeshit.

Shane

In 1989, Batman introduced this mill/X crossover to the artist forever known as Prince...as a child..."why not something new?"...which it honestly was. Jack Palance gets that same Joker gut shot from his "number one guy", same smile, and yeah the the realism of the psychopathy worked. (Shout out to M&Us 89 Batman ep, a thesis statement imo). Lol why not *the wild bunch but maximum carnage* (shouts to this rhetorical format)?

giant gorilla

Harry Lawtey is one of the stars of the highly underrated HBO show Industry

daniel tune

Will Sloan is the movie Joker Folie e Deux kind of like the movie The Wayward Cloud

Michael and Us
>>153013310

No, but you have forced me to grudgingly concede that Phillips uses music in a somewhat similar way. -WS

Geri Danton

Oh wow I heard that Joker song at the end from Lady Gaga's tie-in album. I had no idea it was a classic. It's so apropos I assumed it was one of the few original songs for the movie.

Alex Moore

Guess we'll never get Joker: Ménage a Trois

anarchcommuecosocotaku

I would rather be watching Fantasy Mission Force with Will instead of watching the shitshow of ejection night… but sadly I live in California. 💀

Addison Hoff

I can’t get enough of y’all’s perspectives on the most polarizing films of our time. I think though, if you two are brave enough, it’s time to considered the possibility of covering the Venom trilogy now that the third, and hopefully final, chapter has come out.

Jackson Ayres

I still haven't seen Joker 2 -- I'm in my 40s with two young kids, it's hard to get to the theater -- but look forward to watching on streaming. Yes, I like superhero comics and therefore also superhero movies, including narratives that include metafictional critiques of the genre and fan culture (believe it or not, these sorts of gestures are made in many superhero comics, too, which people who read comics would know). Anyway, this conversation got me more interested in the movie than I had been previously, but I did get stuck on Luke's praise for Joaquin Phoenix, which was based on his ability to give a serious performance of a comic book character. In other words, the source material is so bad that it takes a feat of astounding acting virtuosity to make it worthwhile. I'm sorry, but no. The Joker has been appearing in comic book narratives for 80+ years now, and that longevity is not a fluke nor an index of corporate power over popular culture. There are many, many interesting stories featuring the character, and the character is brilliantly conceived (and reconceived) -- both in terms of characterization and visual design. It's not for nothing that two actors have won Oscars for playing the role. The strengths of Phoenix's performance -- at least in the first Joker, since I haven't seen the new one -- derive from him embracing what the character offers and working with it, *not* from him imposing his will over it and "making" the character interesting.

Jackson Ayres
>>152973310

@murt pie, no need to be rude -- especially since James Washburn's point chimes with Will's comment about Phillips' "stacking the deck."