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#568 - Not Another Superdelegate Movie (Patreon)

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We were told my our Superdelegate patron tier that the direct-to-video sequel BRING IT ON: ALL OR NOTHING (2006) was a potent 2006 time capsule. Friends... they were right. PLUS: Al Pacino's finances, the fall of the Soviet Empire, and the sad tale of Victor J. Kemper.

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Tradili Porkmen

I liked the buddy Holly biopic, but I haven't seen it since I was like 13. But Gary Busey is awesome. Under siege is top notch

Oliver Crane

Gene Vincent is probably a better subject for a movie, what with living half his life in chronic pain and his deranged and violent behavior. Holly just dies a meaningless death before we can even know where his career might have gone. “Everyday” is a perfect song though.

George Olken

HOT TO TROT star Bobcat Goldthwait directed some amazing subversives comedies: Shakes the Clown, Sleeping Dogs Lie, and Worlds Greatest Dad, the last of which is a Robin Williams's movie worth the M&U treatment

Kijib

what the hell r these superdelegates smoking

Oliver Crane

There’s that classic cultural anthropology essay where the writer is asked by the tribe to tell a story from her culture, and she attempts to explain Hamlet, but they find it baffling - clearly Claudius is acting responsibly by taking over his brother’s duties, while Hamlet is either insane or being fooled by an evil spirit. Anyway this is a perfect time to expand your Paul Gross knowledge and watch Slings and Arrows, the first (Hamlet-centric) season is actually very good!

Joey Alvarez

Adam Curtis' Traumazone, which covers the USSR/Russia between 1985 - 1999 is well worth checking out. And there's no narration! All 7 hours are on YouTube. I have a few problems with it, still, it's extremely compelling.

Orn Pauldorf

speaking of 1950s rock, as Luke was, there has never been a badder motherfucker in the world of rock n roll than Little Richard -- imagine touring around the Jim-Crow-era south as an effeminate black man whose performances made white teenage girls squeal! imagine how omnipresent the threat of physical harm was, for chrissakes!

Mid-Sized SeDan
>>153213163

Funnily enough Will covered World's Greatest Dad on his other podcast, Important Cinema Club. Also did a Hot to Trot episode

Michael Warren

Does every Canadian pronounce it ‘bi-op-ic’? I’ve always pronounced it like ‘bio-pic’ because it’s a biographical-picture.

Morgan Osborn

Canadians learn about crumping challenge

Ciaran Colley

Well I know I'm off to buy as many Dunkachinos as I can

Matthew

Yeah, Krumping had a moment in the mid-00s. I think David LaChappelle’s doc Rize helped put it into the mainstream. It was even referenced on the Simpsons which eventually spawned a classic Simpsons shitpost.

Johnny 5
>>153220316

No, even Will pronounces it correctly. Only Luke mispronounces it regularly. Lol

Chris M.

The Buddy Holly Story is a sick movie, Busey can really sing!

Iain
>>153215323

From Luke's comments about the book, this seems like it would be the perfect companion piece. The cumulative effect of the sheer amount of footage had me viewing the latter episodes with an ever-increasing sense of dread. The versions I tried to watch on YouTube cut certain scenes short, though most of Curtis's documentaries are up on the Thought Maybe website (video player seems to be down at the moment).

Shane

Anyone else see Strange Brew as a take on Hamlet (with literal ghost) What about Billy Madison (the penguin is merely a projection of Billy's alcoholism)?

Iain
>>153237524

Have never gotten around to watching the movie but have listened to the soundtrack and can attest to the fact that he sounds fantastic. Busey as Buddy Holly is an inspired piece of casting, on par with Kurt Russell as Elvis.

Joseph Friedman

I think Bottoms has taken the spot as the number one zoomer teen movie

Tess

fuck yea great movie

emalco
>>153214284

But Claudius confesses to murdering his brother when he prays in act 3, scene 3.

Jeremy Hawkins

When Will mentions Road Trip you can hear Luke's breathing get faster because he knows that he's going to the Breckin zone.

Tess
>>153246245

you guys have to watch bring it on: in it to win it (2007)

Goji

Also currently reading Collapse! Can’t get over the detailed documentation in this book. Some of the anecdotes are unreal.

Dan Port

Glad we could all witness the moment Will Sloan learned about krumping.

Nicholas Ward

Would love to hear Luke’s take on Traumazone by Adam Curtis, basically a 10 hour documentary or Gorbachev and the collapse of the soviet system.

Seth Short

Clue is a fun and clever movie that still holds up IMO. It's also a very quick watch which I know you all would appreciate. IIRC it does actually have some political commentary on the cold war and communism being a red herring (albeit delivered in silly ways) that might actually be something that could be dissected a bit if you really want to extract some politics talk from it. Plus an absolutely classic Tim Curry performance, early Michael McKean, Christopher Lloyd, and so on. Don't let your cynical, "we're too cool" Podcaster brains ruin your ability to watch this and have a good time!

Orn Pauldorf
>>153248362

One Hundred Percent Pure Adrenaline* -- Point Breckin *only applies to Luke Savage

Ashley Naftule
>>153217780

Speaking of Little Richard—William Klein’s documentary “The Little Richard Story” could be a great subject for a future episode.

Ethan

Not a high school movie but Eighth Grade (2018) is a frighteningly accurate depiction of the Gen Z middle school experience

MC

Amazing episode I’m proven right yet again

Robert White

As the father of a 15-yr old, I feel like “teen movies” now are equal parts rowdy musical sing-alongs and Terrifier 3. (And no, they’re not allowed to see Terrifier 3).

Allen Butt

There’s actually a pretty good documentary about krumping called Rize. I saw it screened when I was in art school & liked it, krumping is pretty cool.

Graeme Pente

"You know who had an arc? Noah."

Graeme Pente

Luke, a good companion piece to _Collapse_ might be Yurchak's book on the last Soviets with the incomparable title _Everything Was Forever, Until It Was No More_.

olly

MORE GIRL MOVIES!!!!! PLEASE!!!!!

Martin Nolan

“But anyway, they win the dance off by cramping” - Luke Savage

Kainien Morel

On the starting topic, what I noticed in my university's history department in grad school (which is a terrible way to begin any anecdote, but it's kind of relevant here) was how consistently my American counterparts, and even much of the contemporary scholarship and seemingly authoritative 20th century historiography, consistently ignored what seems like such an obvious, almost didactic point of evidence: whatever the long chain of political crises (and they were political, even the "economic" ones), the Soviet Union disintegrated because, literally, the country's constitution featured a self-disbandment feature since at least the 1977 Constitution (and probably before that; like Will, grad school for me was the early 2010s and you forget some things after a decade). The collapse of the USSR was a constitutional act of self-destruction, that its constituent republics (which were what remained, including the Russian Federation) "always" had the legal right to pursue--and the only way to prevent their pursuit of it, at that moment, was for the central Union government (which still controlled a coherent majority of the armed forces well into mid-90s, in parallel with the new republics, the so-called "armed forces of the C.I.S.") to use a degree of violent force that the leadership--Gorbachev, the Politburo, the Union-level Communist Party or what have you, plenty of blame to go around--after some minor attempts at bluffing, was clearly unwilling to resort to. So the republics got to exercise their constituent rights, and then more of those rights, and where once was one country there was more than a dozen (and of course, everything was good, forever, at the end of history). I'm convinced an awareness of that basic event is instrumental to understanding the collapse of Gorbachev's government, the August Coup, the War of Laws and the failures of, to use something western academia is comfortable with, perestroika and glasnost. The WHY--why they wouldn't or couldn't use that degree of force--is of course the body of the topic, and it gets the attention it deserves, but the actual political mechanism of the collapse seems sorely ignored, right up there with western media's allergy to, say, the 1993 Constitutional Crisis (and especially its violent Yeltsinite conclusion). And the weird thing of it is--isn't this barely "history" to start? In school, I could regularly send emails with people who had witnessed 1991 through 1993 in person, even written about it in journals and the press. Barely thirty years later, and it's buried. (Then again, literally half my cohort wrote about the United States Civil War, and the only other person who studied Eurasia was married to the granddaughter of O.U.N. emigre, and even he didn't have much of an interest the demise of the Soviet Union. So I'm not sure what I was expecting, except as Luke said, the other half of us DID write on the 20th century, and it is SORT of a pivotal moment of that century. All of us knew how the Second World War ended, after all.) Whenever the American empire meets its own demise (assuming it's not in some catastrophic nuclear war or other world-ending event), no one will bother with the actual event "end" of the United States, just the broad strokes and whatever analysis they subscribe to that brought it about. So Luke, for once I do feel you pain and frustration. On the other hand, I'd never seen a Bring it On movie (I wasn't in the United States when the first one was released, and I guess they are "chick flicks"). So that was very educational, thank you.

Sweet Jacky

The boys enjoying a 2000s classic, while I frantically watch The Newsroom in preparation 👀

Dee Gee

A late-night wine-fueled episode, roaming amid several topics before revisiting a Bush-era film. This is a true old school style M&U ep!

Eric

“The Student” and “A Medical Case” are my favorite Chekov shorts.

Kieran Duffy

Just hearing that trailer took me back to the mid 2000s. I assume the film itself would completely overwhelm me.

Michael Warren

Will and Luke are always complaining about the state of the modern Hollywood industry but when a good, adult-orientated political film comes out like ‘The Apprentice’, they completely ignore it!

Amy B
>>153260683

He wouldn’t even have to watch the whole thing, just the first two/three episodes. It’s good, but quite a commitment

James Waters

I feel crazy but I feel like they’ve hit a thread with Kemper. Will very smartly have him a eulogy when he died, around the same time that Kissinger did… it’s all connecting… Kemper & Us perhaps?

Oliver Elliott

Two things about Pacino: (1) it takes a hell of a lot of assets to produce enough passive income to spend $400k per month and Pacino never made that kind of money. And when you’re old and not getting a ton of work, passive income is what you’ve got. (2) Sure if Al came up to one of us, we’d be amazed, but at the Hollywood Asshole gatherings I’m sure at this point it’s like “Oh, hi Al. Good to see you. J.J. Abrams! Hey J.J.!”

Tyler Plunkett

I’m glad Will brought up Victor J. Kemper because I think about him a lot. His career trajectory—beginning with Husbands and ending with *this*—so perfectly represents the fate of most great DPs. Sven Nykvist is seemingly the only one who never really had to compromise to pay the bills (even if I don’t like everything he’s worked on, the films never seemed to veer too far from the projects he’d always been attracted to).

Colton Greene

3:30 Steve Nash shoutout goes crazy! Also wasn’t it signing with Los Angeles that did that?

Ekaterina Sedia
>>153312340

As someone who has been in the streets of Moscow during the August Coup, i find the memory holing of that entire period very interesting. I also remember the Ukrainian separatist movement from the late 1980s, which could provide additional albeit not necessarily useful insights into the current political framing.

James Waters
>>153528061

Yeah I’m a bit obsessed with certain cinematographers in a similar way, it’s funny they talked about Haskell Wexler a while back as his filmography - even as a working, industry cinematographer, to sometimes support his own political work - is pretty consistently great (tho he was fired many times, apparently was too opinionated - which considering his own films seems fair enough). I listen (perhaps too much) to the Roger Deakins podcast also, and hear him talk wistfully about middle brow, god awful Oscar fodder he shot in the 2000’s (they looked good tho). It’s pretty funny to hear about the “greats” like Robert Richardson shooting films like Ben Affleck’s “Air” also, lamenting in an interview about how it’s the type of film for “adults” not made anymore. (Two other great contemporaries are Darius Khondji and Ed Lachman, just uniformly great work, still)