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#580 - Memories of Murder (Patreon)

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With the failed coup in South Korea still fresh in our memories, we looked at Bong Joon-ho's breakthrough film MEMORIES OF MURDER (2003), a procedural set against the backdrop of martial law. PLUS: From South Korea to France to the streets of Manhattan, the vibes are, shall we say, off.

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Kainien Morel

"Well, Detective Park...I reckon Drop Kick Cho has dropped his last kick."

Jeremy Hawkins

Great episode! Last Thursday I watched A Taxi Driver, which was like the Korean version of a liberal Oscar bait movie about the student protests in the 80s so I spent like all that night reading about modern Korean politics and then this immediately happened lol.

Tradili Porkmen

Breakthrough news has a great teardown of the events in South Korea

Troy Thomas

I did an English essay on Memories of Murder in 2005 as a chosen text. I transcribed it recently and posted it as a review on letterboxd LOL. Even at 16 i somehow got some of the politics underpinning it, even if my conclusions were fucking dumb. Great episode boys!!

Blank

Sloan that was an absolutely inspired outro

Does It Really Matter

Luke, your take on access to healthcare as an expression status is that of someone who only sees the needs of others as being fulfilled through their status. Frankly, you should be ashamed of your cynical construction of people seeking healthcare in a flawed system. A real blame the voters type take.

Michael and Us
>>157586843

Respectfully, you don't think there well off people who 1) are deeply opposed to socialized medicine or nationalized health insurance 2) regard their pricey health insurance plans as a consumer good they've purchased on the open market, and by extension as an expression of earned status? Because I think this is very much what we saw, for ex, in the 2020 Dem primary debates anytime Sanders talked about Medicare For All. When a Pete Buttigieg type politician claims people love their health insurance and "don't want the government to take it away" I think he's speaking quite directly to the constituency I'm talking about. And, just as a more general thing, I think many well-off people absolutely *do* find their principle fulfillment through status — as much a truism in a market society like our own as it was in the Middle Ages or the high Roman Republic. - L

John Valley

The Eggers drama was less specific to Eggers worth as a filmmaker and more gripes with film twt folk being annoyingly snarky and dopey with their takes (calling him a ‘midwit’ and such).

Dee Gee

I deeply enjoyed Luke's appearance on Trashfuture. As a big fan of both pods, it was always going to be a treat, but I think he really met the hosts' energy in a way few guests do. Really upping the odds on a Bon Cop Bad Cop superdelegate campaign.

Michael and Us
>>157598267

Thanks Dee! Always a fun show to do, and was especially great to do in studio when I was visiting London back in 2019. - L

Does It Really Matter
>>157586843

I think there are people who have plans that provide benefits to them and that they feel they have earned that. Most health insurance in the United States are a benefit provided by their employer, so the earned perception is real. Regardless of income status, all those people understand when they have met their yearly insurance deductible that additional health costs to them should be appropriately covered by their plan. Conflating pursuing post deductible coverage, with the ability to gain access to a provider by paying more, implies that paying more for high coverage insurance means you should get access first. Yes, those who pay more think their provider should treat them preferentially and make demands to them, however the criteria the provider must justify to the insurance company to have any person’s healthcare needs covered does not change based on income status. Pauper or millionaire, fully paid deductible or not, your medically necessary procedure will denied on the basis of profit. Of course those who pay more have an expectation of realizing the full benefits of their coverage and understand how the flattening of benefits can affect them, but that is not what drives the ability to gain access, and those people understand that. Insert the broad congratulations of a murder on social media here. Yes there are rich people opposed to socialized medicine as a function of their wealth. I would find your position more convincing if you had civilian examples of that status ethos, rather than political apparatchik’s.

Jeremy Hawkins

I sort of have the same kneejerk reaction to the reaction to parasite that you describe in the episode, but I want to emphasize that it's wrong, Parasite speaks to something that is so powerful and true that I think about at least once a week as a person with a disgraceful low class job. The stink of the dad. The idea that when you are young you have an opprutunity to escape poverty, the son can be friends with someone in the rich families circles, but over time you just essentially stop being human to them is so true. When I was young people will insist that you *should* and *can* do better than work a menial job, they are basically pushing you to become the secret family from Parasite. The secret family believed in capitalism the most. Respect! Because even if they think they know the system is stacked against poor people, they don't really believe it. When you hit your mid 20s, they stop saying that and will basically treat you like you don't exist as more than a tool. You stink. Of course the solution isn't to kill the dad... or the CEO of an insurance company, it's to organize to overthrow capitalism.

Sam Schick
>>157598267

I’m curious, those guys talk a mile a minute and have such a deeply developed banter that I’ve seen many guests left in the dust. Glad to hear that Luke rose to the challenge.

Ciaran Colley

I'll think if you check the record, Donald Trump actually watched Parasite soon after that Colorado rally, and reported subsequently that he jumped the gun and found it a very impressive piece of cinema. But the Lying Fake News wouldn't tell you this!

MacGregorr

One read on the government collapse in France is a big change in party priorities within the legislature. The previous governement didn't actually bridge policy divides between blocks in any way, but also was emblematic of priorities last September for Le Pen's National Rally (keep the left-wing out & rebuild their standing in time for the 2027 presidential election) & Macron's EM (maintain legacy pro-business and anti-social reforms) - Barnier and his party were just an empty suit that would back both. In the last month, Le Pen has been seriously & personally burned in her escalating criminal proceedings for conspiracy & misuse of European Parliament funds. The prosecution is seeking an immediate sentence of five years' ineligibility. It's likely that the RN's sudden retraction of confidence from the governement was a bet on chaos, either to barter leniency for their legacy star from an incoming government or to agitate for Macron's resignation and an early election before the judge makes a pronouncement in her case.

giant gorilla

I'm thinking you should use "ambient" even more. lean into it

Jeremy Hawkins
>>157586843

I think beyond the question of Healthcare there is a large minority of people who vote for Republicans and democrats that think that the system as it stands is flawed but you as an individual can master it and rise above it. Honestly if there's any one piece of ideology that has remained consistent in the Democrats since the time of Jackson it's this. I've not seen a doctor in 10 years, and there are people that get why and people that think "...have you *really* looked into Obamacare?"

Sam Schick
>>157586843

This thread has been on my mind for most of the day, initially because I was perplexed at why someone would take such offense to Luke’s comment but also I began to wonder what the constituency that is opposed to socialized healthcare looks like. Obviously the corporate interests, policymakers, and wealthy make up a small part of that. But I think a majority are upward and downwardly middle income earners. I think a lot is fueled by a mystification narrative from a hostile conglomerated media environment and a lack of faith in an obviously dysfunctional federal government but I do see a lot of social Darwinism amongst my cohort. I see a lot of people who actually enjoy purchasing insurance of all types, dash cams, security systems, etc. I guess it could be up for debate how much people “enjoy” purchasing these things but they become part of the merit badge that a certain kind likes to wear. Anecdotally I notice that the people who are most proud of their self sufficiency come from lower income backgrounds while those who come from more affluent backgrounds tend to have at least some superficial reservations about participating in a market based health care system.

Does It Really Matter
>>157586843

On the subject of insurance it is worth noting that every single person who has a 401k they plan to realize an income from must negotiate an annuity with an insurance company to get real money. The solvency of Insurance companies is directly connected to the retirement investment cycle. This does not bode well for future economics when the Biggest of Big shorts occurs as the contractual demands of annuities reveal decades of overvalued stock holdings. To unravel healthcare insurance, is to unravel it all. Personally I’m for universal healthcare, but wonder how the necessary government oversight for inevitable insurance industry failure will affect those economics. I suppose there is nothing to worry about for those whose quality of life is not connected to the value of money.

John

The last shot of that movie, the thumbnail here, always hits me like a freight train

James Waters

As a long time Bong guy (he was always the one that stood out of the newer SK auteurs to me, in terms of pure filmmaking chops primarily), I should add that he has a new movie coming out in a couple of months that I've heard very little talk of, especially as the follow-up to 'Parasite'. It's called 'Mickey 17' and it has the misfortune of being distributed by Zaslav's current WB regime, the same that recently dumped 'Juror #2' - among other heinous film/preservation related crimes. I get that 'Parasite' was big and everything, and that there's a sense of fatigue with all this acclaim, but I think the real test of Bong's worth as a filmmaker has been proven time and again, notably when he stood firm against Weinstein and now has insisted on his director's cut of the new film, even if it gets dumped (which it seems like it will, what with WB's lack of promotion, FROM THE GUY WHO MADE PARASITE!!!). (Apologies this was partially a means to vent about WB and Zaslav, as they're also releasing Paul Thomas Anderson's new film, and it seems the threat of a tax write off/film deletion is looming over any film under this idiot's regime, no matter how established the filmmaker or anticipated the film. I just hate that this is one of the guys lording over film culture, and that I have to acknowledge his existence).

Michael and Us
>>157737768

I am looking forward to his new film, though I have to say the trailers I've been served for it haven't been very auspicious. I hope that's just a reflection of the company's marketing, and not the film itself (which...it would honestly be very surprising if he made a film I didn't like). - Luke

gcwolfman

The Song Kang Ho character isn't obsessed with penis size in the sauna. He's looking for suspects with no pubic hair.