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#581 - The Attitude Era (Patreon)

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We all know that WWE founder and ex-CEO Vince McMahon shared a long friendship with Donald Trump, and would you believe that the two men share some stuff in common? We discuss the new Netflix documentary series MR. MCMAHON (2024), an exhaustive chronicle of a man whose "Allegations" tab on Wikipedia could fill a library.

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howie

The book Ringmaster, by Abraham Josephine Riesman, is a great read about the man.

Eric The Bed Humper.

Lauren bobert was on a 1st date with some random lib and got a handjob at the Beetlejuice musical.*

Eric The Bed Humper.

The belt means more money and more gig spots. You're a representative of the company and it's practice in the pursuit of thew top belt which equals more money and being the top person of the company. It's kinda like the Oscars,Emmys. Winning the main belt is like winning an Oscar for best acting as the wrestler ddp once put it.

Iain

A wrasslin' episode? Is it Christmas already?

Eric The Bed Humper.

The ring was broken after the Owen hart fell too. So the wrestlers were performing on a broken "stage".

David

On the Pod Save front: I lurk in that pod's subreddit and the listeners are in open revolt against the Johns. I've never seen so much discourse about class dynamics in there before. It's just one niche area but I do wonder if msnbc liberal types are now open to that kind of critique

Blank

Take a shot for mention of The Varsity

Blank

Have either of you thought about academia/teaching? You both seem concerned with cultivating others and the kind of space for non-productive writing LS talks about sounds a lot like academia (in b4 academic jobs are scarce and have their own problems; obviously I agree)

Orn Pauldorf

the steroid situation in wwe was entirely a product of vince mcmahon's personal fixation or fetish for incredibly muscular physiques. or at least that's what all the wrestlers & former employees from that era say. vince would reportedly speak very openly about certain wrestlers being "too small" for a leading role in their production, so luke was totally correct: he did not need to say "hey, go take some steroids." for a contrast, go find a photo of Bob Backlund, who was the last franchise-carrying champion that wwe had before vince took over the promotion in 1983.

Chris Burke

Longtime wrestling fan here, so this was a fun listen. On the steroid front: with steroids recently becoming a controlled substance in the late 80s/90s, the government was trying to make a show of cracking down on their distribution and the WWE was an easy target. They also came under fire from the “these are role models/think of the children” crowd. Steroids remained a hot button issue because of the sheer number of wrestlers who died at a young age and many people assumed a connection there to steroid use (though painkillers/alcohol and their combined use played just as much as a factor there). Also, Will nailing Eric Bischoff’s character after just seeing this documentary was amazing.

Matt

Is there any reason to refer to the pod Jon’s by their correct surnames? One is a favreau, another a Lovitz ( orclose enough) - they aren’t really “their” names anyway. I submit we refer to them in the future with a rotating cast of b-list celebrity surnames. Stamos. Cryer. Hamm. Bon Jovi.

Josh

Michael Moore cited in Mangione’s manifesto 🚨🚨🚨

Andrew Struthers

There was an important time in the late 70's / early 80's during McMahon's consolidation when the question of whether or not wrestling is "real" was a live wire. Sports Entertainment, Kayfabe - these terms had not been introduced yet and there was a sincere PR struggle trying to land on how wrestling was going to be sold at scale. If you were a regional wrestling fan you went to shows and experienced the physicality, blood, athleticism. If WWF was going to sell wrestling to new fans who experienced it primarily on TV this circle needed to be squared. All emblematic of the Reagan era and how politics became a spectacle experienced primarily on (consolidating!) TV broadcasts funnelled through the newly massive PR machines.

josie

goodreads reveal?

Chris M.

Lifelong wrestling fan here who’s shocked at the astuteness of Will’s observations. So many hardcore fans never arrive at these correct conclusions: “Vince McMahon has a single-track mind about The Business, not money, and is willing to lose money because of his devotion.” and “Eric Bischoff is a loser.”

Leila Trottier-Evans

Longtime listener here, I'm a communications student at Concordia and there's a lot of political turmoil happening across Montreal universities regarding Palestine and Austerity measures put in place by legault, and I would rllt love to hear you guys discuss whats going on if you've been tapped into any of thr news recently. Concordia has had a series of strikes rated to police brutality and hired mercenaries on campus (sprh Concordia has done an investigation and uncovered a hidden contract with Moshav- A subsidiary of Israeli security firm perceptage international and their presence on campus). Former IDF soldiers have taken on private security gigs brutalizing protesters on campus. Its fucmibg crazy here. We've had strike after strike regarding this, divestment, and tuition raises since last year and Trudeau has sided unequivocally with the universities and against our protest movements. Definitely a lot of material to discuss in the realm of Canadian politics coming out of Montreal right now!

Adam

Watch Red One - it’s a perfect Michael and us movie with very strange politics, like it was made by a Bloomberg supporter

Oliver Elliott

63,000!! Chapo probably has more listeners! Edit: Chapo has over 40,000 Patreon subscribers, so undoubtedly well over 63,000 regular listeners.

Kenny Hedges

“I self-destructed myself.” - Hulk Hogan

Tasselled_Wobbegong
>>158315906

I would love a M&U episode on it. It's one of those outwardly apolitical films that has some soft reactionary undertones.