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Hi all,

Here's the link for the AMA livestream that will begin Sunday (March 29) at 4pm ET, and will likely run for 4+ hours. The archive will remain linked here, so don't worry about missing it live! I'll be answering the remaining questions from the "AMA Stream #63" invitation post for $15+ Patrons (published here last week and still open if you're interested).

Looking forward to chatting!

–Natalie

P.S. Here's the stream link in case there are embedding issues: https://youtube.com/livexup1aCHwY

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ContraPoints Patreon AMA Stream #63b

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Sassy Ali

I will actually remember to post my question before then.

Lara

So elevated

Vessa A.

Are you gonna stream any games tonight or tomorrow? I wanna know if to stay up late :3

Nora

Thank the gods for you, Dark Mother— these livestreams are getting me through the week!

Shane

Natalie Wynn basketball stream at a random Baltimore court when???

Dallas Barber

When is "losing Minecraft virginity to stop ethnic cleansing" stream?

demlet

I will fold my laundry while watching.

TheGirlFromTheFourthPlanet

People in the EU! Last week 4PM ET was 9PM CET, but this week 4PM ET is 10PM CEST because time is an illusion and this life is but a dream. Also because we change the hour. Oh no. Thanks for your attention etc. etc.

Anthonknee

Does Natalie post the list of questions anywhere?

Mouâd L.

yeah I suspect there may be a typo in the link

Theo Stratford

Holy shiznitz I completely missed that there was even a 63A, now I have 4 hours of juicy content to catch up on. Hell yeah

Fake Name

Yay! The last stream was so good. I never studied all these philosophers, so I love hearing Contra's insights about them. I never knew that Kant was just a short stupid virgin.

Figbot

You might be able to summon me to play a quick bach piece and then scurry away if ur lucky

Aderyn Albarelli

I'm also looking forward to chatting, and getting elevatored 😋 And S'mores says "mrrowp"

Darren DM

This time can you punctuate each answer with a Pagliaesque "mmm-kay"?

Justine Black

Looking forward to it! I love when you go live. Does anyone know how to stay up to date with game streaming? I’ve only been online randomly twice and joined the stream, but it was just chance that I saw it on twitter

bbordas

she’s not famous for planning those ahead esp nowadays, most you can do is to make sure notifications in youtube are on for her live channel

ContraPoints

ok I realize this is probably useless but I've impulsively decided to go live in 20 minutes

william kirkpatrick

I just can't help blurting everything out right now because speaking on here I cannot help but think I am talking to my "family" and I am very stoned on maui wowie vape and tons of "light beer." Sorry! But I gotta say, Natalie Changed me. All I think about is "How can I use my penis like a Lesbian would?" etc. etc. etc. Why is David Bowie SO GREAT and Iggy Pop EVEN BETTER. SO...SAW? inconsequential.....but a segway to explaining Contrapasso. And Saw is popular and getting into Tarantino who I cannot forgive for not giving Marcel Ophuls credit for him knowing who C WALTZ's character is (Klaus Barbie.) AND I feel angry that people call me a "documentary expert" for knowing who Marcel Ophuls is. Everyone Should Know Who Marcel OPHULS IS! I guess the really important thing is that Trump should be shot. But after watching Natalie's new work I think he should be tortured first and I can't help but think that somebody in Trump's enforcer group reads this I go to prison I would be a hero. The only question is should the motherfucker(DT) be shot or slowly tortured to death? ....THE GUY WHO THOUGHT THE INNOCENT HARLEM TEENAGERS SHOULD GO TO THE GAS CHAMBER OR ELECTRIC CHAIR FOR THAT YUPPIE JOGGER CHICK THEY HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH

william kirkpatrick

O GOD. I am so embarrassed for my last post....now, out of desperation, I must ask, does anybody have any good ideas for questions Natalie might respond to tomorrow? I would kill to know what to say to get a response from her. Speaking of killing, why doesn't someone just Kill trump? I feel a little awkward just putting it out there. But if you don't want to do that you must not believe in America and what about the rest of the world anyway? You would be better off being a UK citizen, or French, or Dutch, Mexican, Canadian. You cannot come up with a plan to kill him. So you can come up with a plan to live in a country not run by Hitler? Can't you?

Tanner Gore

They can’t keep getting away witth this!!!

SophieT

They are the ones listed in the original announcement for the AMA, not sure if you can see it if you're not a £15 member actually......

Shaiyanne Mall

One question: What is the best compliment someone can give you?

ContraPoints

Hey all, I decided to do one more stream next week for the remaining questions instead of trying to rush it tonight. Thanks to everyone who asked/chatted, see you again next week!

Jessicka Anne

Dreamworking by Strephon Williams is my fave dream interpretation book if you’ve not come across it Jungian-Senoi approach

Justine Black

Just seeing this now 🥲 Looking forward to next time. It’s just more fun when it’s live and we’re all goofing it up in the chat

Justine Black

Oh smart I should turn on notifications for her

william kirkpatrick

19:33 "I am always amazed when people watch my videos, reread my tweets whatever, and they are just completely unable to summarize what the argument is or even to guess what the argument is and try to substitute some halucination. " Natalie's words have me here. I have realized that I myself have a serious problem listening to people and applying what they said to me in such a way that people think "Yeah Will B.K. got me. He showed me he got what I was trying to say to him." And I think that every single production Natalie W. has offered up she had a purpose, starting with YOU CANNOT DEBATE NAZIs.....and everything else flows from there not like a kitchen sink spigot but from a mighty river: Envy, Darkness, Justice and EVERYTHING right up to Twilght Male-Gaze Camille Paglia, Satanism, Conspiracy.......and the whole point of all her work IS the that it HAS a definite specific definite point. So......well I don't know what else to say. Tears. I wish everyone creating media content was as great as Natalie and I want to apologize to Ahri Clevinger again. I finally realized she seriously just enjoyed reading shit like this and respect that I rever Natalie and also Charles Baudelaire. And someone please shoot DT

Darren DM

Re ~1:08 about what you do. I personally don't see you as an influencer, cam-girl, or makeup vlogger. I see you as a film maker: A John Berger, a Simon Schama, a Jenny Nicholson. The AMA's are a nice bonus, like watching a director's commentary on a dvd. It's tough for creatives on YouTube: There's only a certain number of viewer hours, but the quantity of quality niche channels is increasing. Back in 2020 a fan of "insert esoteric topic here" may have had five channel subs averaging to a video a week on their fave topic. Now they may have twenty channels averaging to a video every other day. This is clearly bad for individual creators, as evidenced by the creators themselves complaining about how hard things are (not that I am unsympathetic). So we get streams, parasociality, constant posting, and "always on" podcasts. Which, ironically, only makes the situation worse for the creators. I feel like I'm stating the obvious here! TLDR: I think you have the balance just right.

Darren DM

Re disposing of razor wire. In Britain we have - and yes this is going to sound like a ridiculous parody but I live in a ridiculous country - Rag and Bone men. Basically, if you've any metal-based rubbish to get rid of, you can leave it kerbside. The Rag & Bone men drive along in a truck, picking up the metal stuff, presumably to sell it for scrap. As they do this, they shout "Any old iron?". I assume there is a similar trade in other countries but without the insipient tweeness?

Hilde

Just started, more of a comment/my own thought: RE: doomscrolling - I feel like the situation described sounds like some form of punitive self harm. As if watching videos of Gaza is a self afflicted pain to justify one’s own position of not suffering in the face of pain of others. Ultimately one feels better/relief/grim content in knowing “they didn’t look away”’(= they’re also suffering).

Buzz

If you were ever to really consider to stop being an influencer and/or streamer, then I would really enjoy watching you teach us about anything beyond philosophy. Filming, music, writing, whatever. Or just document your own learning process whenever you pick up something new like a language or a new hobby or some new obscure psychoanalytic subject. I'd watch that so hard. Witnessing the process of how someone goes about learning something new is almost equally as rewarding or maybe even more than just seeing the fruits of their labor to me.

Thomas Kerr

By the way I really admire how you say what you think even if people hate you for it

Rose Dombegh

I feel like you’re more like The Internet’s Professor than an “influencer” … and boy does the internet need a Professor

Rose Dombegh

Yes! The AMAs are like an extended office hours with our cool philosophy & film making prof

Rose Dombegh

Yes I loved Natalie’s responses about how she takes notes, annotates books, etc. I feel like I’ve learned a lot from her about how to learn

Hilde

I am halfway through, the question about trumps contrapasso made me realize that narcissism is inherently contrapassic as its the combination of the worst fear (not being loved and admired) combined with behaviour to feel the opposite

gothcosmos

Wasn't clair obscura disqualified from the game awards for not disclosing they used generative AI during the game's development?

william kirkpatrick

I am mad I can't find my previous comment. I really like how Natalie said that people fail to grasp her entire point. I am really mortified right now because someone hired me to play piano for a ballet class on Friday and I made up it was on Saturday. How could I do that? But hold on, ...isn't this what she is kind of talking about? You can watch all of Natalie's brilliant videos, and do so over and over, but if you don't get what she is at least trying to get across than you are failing her. This makes me think of Josef Hoffman's book about how to play the piano. In the 1920s you had to soak the paper of photograph to make the image appear, so Hoffman suggests that you "photograph" the music. Consider exactly what sounds you want to come out of the piano or whatever musical instrument. Close your eyes, wait, see the sound you want to create, then execute it. SO.....the INTENT of Natale's projects......Maybe she just chose SAW as a medium for other things....like how we all are losing faith in Karma right now while the evil bastards do everything they want to do.....also Conspiracy does a good job showing how Qanon is essentially anti-semitic. I urge everyone to watch the Democracy Now 30 years anniversary. Also the documentary about to come out "Steal This Story" Amy Goodman comes from the place of Hemmingway and Gellhorn and the people in that book, Emergency Sex. She somehow beat the system. She is the fucking hero of our time.

bbordas

hey Nat, I have a suggestion on the sound topic during streaming (posting it here in case you check these comments more often): try using a compressor with “ducking” (aka sidechain) in OBS. It automatically decreases the volume of the streamed content only while you are talking: https://obsproject.com/kb/compressor-filter

william kirkpatrick

I feel horrible and I want to ask people on here to help me because all I want is to be like Natalie, but I am not and I suck. I think my questions are better than the ones she chooses but still I can't get in touch with her.......because there is something wrong with......."People who clean their room, get a job, go out and make friends, probably don't obsess on internet content.".....BOY was that just sent to me personally,. Its the most wonderful thing I ever heard. Thank god I am trying to listen to Natakie and actually taking her seriously and not spacing out.

william kirkpatrick

I am sorry for replying to myself but I can't help it. I just want to say that its significant that present-time fascists are so concerned with trans people and its just because they are weak, gay people somehow convinced the masses they are strong throughout the 70s 80s 90s so not gay-haters go after trans people because somehow there is a universal consensus that "its ok to be gay" but " its not ok to be trans" and its because fascists are cruel inhuman bullies.

Crystaline

Donald trump’s contrapasso will be making Big Macs and fries in a McDonald’s kitchen but not eating them

Tristan Brooks

I wrote out so many sincere questions and then I erased them all for the fmk. Also, I think I messed up the order of fmk. Something about f going first felt impolite. Regrets. Sorry Ms Points 🙃

william kirkpatrick

I think "Clean your room, Get a Job, Make new friends" is the best possible thing to say to anyone, period. To me, all three of those are massive projects, but its worth it. I think maybe its backwards: First, make new friends all the time, second earn money/ watch your money, and third keep everything clean and nice and organized and I think the three things are connected.

ralvar3

My question WAS about my mom. :( And in the end, I decided to prevent her eviction. I do feel quite a bit of guilt about this given that (as I said) she's everything wrong w this country. But I ultimately decided I could not live with myself if I just let her get evicted and freeze to death (this was back in January). Perhaps as a cope to live with making the wrong ethical/moral decision, I've been trying to think of it as saving myself from a particularly complicated sort of grief. And to counteract this, I do plan over the next year (or however long it takes me) to donate the same or more amount to saving homeless LGBTQ people. I deeply apologize to you and all those in the chat who may be disappointed by my decision. I am also a little disappointed in myself, honestly, but again, I don't know how I could live with having been being able to help her but refusing to because she's MAGA. It feels like a piece of my soul would have died. It also didn't seem like it would have been an ultimately Good Thing (if I let my mom suffer and die, is it ACTUALLY making the world better?? I decided that no, it wouldn't, but if someone disagrees please tell me, let me have it, even). And even though she makes my life harder, even though she sucks in so many ways, there are parts of her that I also see in myself that are not condemnable. I couldn't not help her. 😭 I am, sincerely, deeply sorry for this.

Rose Dombegh

I’m so sorry for YOU. If you want feedback from a random stranger online … you absolutely did the right thing. For more reasons than I could possibly elaborate here. In fact even trying to elaborate them feels like it kinda cheapens them — you know your reasons. If I had to try to elaborate … there are bonds more important than political alliances, reciprocity is itself a form of morality that ties communities together, the bond between mother and child is literally the most ancient form of human love, and (imho most importantly), we are not our political alliances or the mistakes we’ve made. Your mom is as much a victim of the greater social forces that caused MAGA to happen — social forces beyond any one person's control — than she is a perpetrator of them. I understand the impulse to obliterate anyone associated with “the enemy” (“justice served! Anti-welfare MAGA person gets evicted and freezes to death! Contrapasso!”) but ultimately, I think it’s one of the worst human impulses, ever. IMHO we should be focused on getting as many people as we can to the other side of this hellscape, not in destroying “the enemy.” In another lifetime, “we” would have been “them” and “they” would have been “us.” We’re all little monkeys wandering around a very confusing world trying to make sense of it. The only things we can really be certain of are the people right next to us, the people who brought us into this world and have sustained us through it. If we give up on them — or decide bc the internet told us to that it’s our moral obligation to do so — what more do we really have? Put another way — if you’re an ATLA fan, do you really want Iro to let Zuko die in poverty outside of Ba Sing Sei? Personally I prefer the course the show takes — “I wasn’t angry, I was sad because I thought you had lost your way.”

Rose Dombegh

(That said yeah I think it’s a good idea to donate to helping homeless LGBTQ people — maybe you could think of it as a donation made in honor of your mother, rather than a kind of blood price)

Rose Dombegh

Her reaction made my laugh out loud — so you still brought a little joy to the world lol

urf

I admire your ability to cover so many different topics with this much honesty

Velvet Condoms

It's a fucked up problem with no correct solution and infinite wrong solutions. Going with the least awful solution by your subjective experience isn't wrong and isn't shameful.

Ash Gabrielle

I know Natalie is understandably mistrustful of the political left, but speaking as a commie, I still think that is all excellent advice. And I think your ordering of them is very reasonable too

Viviane P.L.

We have it in Brazil and it's a loud speaker- van- thing that goes around announcing that it's collecting old metals - sometimes in a funny wat

Viviane P.L.

I'm a health-care professional and I was so relieved by your first answer; I know many of my peers are not interested in specific points of care of the marginalized communities (unless it affects their lives somehow) and therefore their unwillingness in doing a decent job. That said, I also understand your pov, there's much misplaced anger from the lgbt community that seeks your approval and guidance

James

On the “how do I stop doomscrolling” question, I’d love to hear more of Natalie’s thoughts on the emotional logic that behaviour is rooted in. The collective sense that we’re morally obliged to exercise the correct choice in what we consume reminds me of the Audre Lorde essay about the privatisation of Eros. We’re so conscious of the attention economy, we don’t see how insidiously neoliberal the whole paradigm is. I feel it’s related to the question in Part A about aesthetic decadence. The argument often goes that you shouldn’t consume X because the money generated by your consumption will be used to fund Y - your indirect material support is then conflated with moral support for that outcome. In the face of a deterministic approach to ethics, it’s not really a surprise that people feel powerless to effect positive change.

Rose Dombegh

Is there another stream today?

Audrey

I was wondering this too, I remember her saying there would be one this week, but she might have forgotten it was a holiday

Konni

the youtube link doesn't work and neither does the player on here, what to doooo

ContraPoints

I did in fact forget it was a holiday, will schedule the next stream later this week!

Matt

Is the video still up? The link isn't working.

Ronnie

If you like the bold childlike colours in Suspiria, you might like Deep Red by Argento, if you haven’t seen it - very beautiful - gory - psychological (with literal colourful children’s drawings, as part of the horror plot). And a nice short book about it by the film critic Alexia Kannas.

Andrew May

The points about de/radicalization are fascinating when viewed with the backdrop of your much earlier work, Natalie. I think you've said that's not an area of interest anymore, but what you say in response to that question has the seeds of a very satisfying bookend to your previous essay(s) on the topic from 2016 and 2017. I think. I could just be a doom-pervert.

Andrew May

"Because you cannot wait until after the revolution to clean your room." GOLD

Andrew May

"I don't want to blame it all on 9/11, but——it certainly didn't help." "I don't want to blame it all on the pandemic, but——it certainly didn't help."

April Tuesday

real razor wire is definitely some dedication maybe you can bring it in to be melted down if you still need to get rid of it

william kirkpatrick

I keep on watching this neat w PBS American Experience doc on Richard Nixon and I cannot help but think "where is the woman inside Richard Nixon?" Is her name Rita? She is definitely there no matter what her name is. So many people had to die because Rita Nixon couldn't come out and tell Henrietta Kissinger, "You don't have to burn That Many Cambodian children alive" and it makes me really angry, all the shit that makes me really angry, and we think Trump is a big surprise because he is less polite? Fuck Nixon, Fuck Reagan, Fuck Bush, Fuck Trump.......why can't we deal with these people the same way we deal with Bundy and Kemper and Dahmer?

william kirkpatrick

there is this wonderful thing on youtube called Suzanne Lambert with Lauren Piretra and Alex Rose. TEARS. These girls hate Trump even more than me and they are saying "Nick Fuentes only talks the way he does because nobody ever beat the shit out of him" and "Stephen Miller fell in love with all the Latinas at Santa Monica High" tears are streaming down my face so hard my cheeks are all sticky. And Vivaldi's Spring is playing "us catholics are so copypaste" Didn't Vivaldi run a catholic orphan girl's school? I imagine he was a great guy and all these girls were talking loud like Suzanne Lambert nd her friends in Italian.

william kirkpatrick

check out the comment I made on Matt Bernstein's new Tucker Carlson podcast with NAOMI KLEIN!

william kirkpatrick

I am only on here to talk to Ahri Clevinger. If there is another girl who looks like Ahri Clevinger a tiny bit who likes what I think about I am safe. And I apologize for this if it is rude in some way. I just found out about a guy named Simon who has a youtube site called Today I Found Out.......BUT........I swear to god(always heavy for an athiest) I mean no harm, no harm to you Arhi Clevinger because you are the only hot child who respects me and understands me. You are a sign there are tons of girls out there like you I can hang with, meanwhile I will continue to obsessively study Baudelaire and practice the piano hard

PloubleUno

2:09:00 I'll have you know that I can suffer without making good art.

Alex Cochran

There are actually music analysts & reaction channels on YouTube. My favorite is The Charismatic Voice, but there are a ton more and they do great work