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Tangent: Anti-LGBT Bills (Patreon)

Published:
2023-03-22 19:54:30
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2023-10-13 19:08:59
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Hi friends,

Here's the March tangent, about the wave of over 400 brutal anti-LGBT bills that have been introduced in all but nine state legislatures in the US this year.

The topic is super grim, so I've done my best to lighten the mood, in a "haha we're all going to die" sort of way.

The first 19 minutes are basically prefatory procrastination about the history of anti-LGBT legislation, from King Henry VIII to the present day. If you only care about the current crisis you can skip that, though I found researching it pretty interesting.

I don't know if "enjoy" is the right word in these circumstances, but I hope you, um, appreciate? this tangent? Let me know what you think!

All the best,

Natalie

P.S. I will have a main channel video out soon too, probably not by the end of March, but certainly in a couple weeks!

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Tangent: Anti-LGBT Bills

Anti-LGBT bill tracking Google doc: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fTxHLjBa86GA7WCT-V6AbEMGRFPMJndnaVGoZZX4PMw/edit?pli=1#gid=0 ACLU anti-LGBT bill tracking: https://www.aclu.org/legislative-attacks-on-lgbtq-rights?state=&impact= Other sources: https://www.advocate.com/news/neo-nazis-florida-drag?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=news https://www.thepinknews.com/2022/02/10/uk-lesbian-ban-lgbt-history/ https://www.them.us/story/florida-bill-trans-kids-supportive-parents

Comments

kkikibunny

thank you for the early birthday present mother points

CoffeePoints

omg so we might get TWO ContraPoints videos this month?? 👀

allegedlyangelo

LETS FREAKING GO! And be sad. BUT WE GO REGARDLESS!

uhh umm

thank nyat

Jason

Yesss!!!!! Now I have a Contrapoints video to….look forward to? (Don’t know if that’s the right way to put it given the topic😅) once I finish my finals for this term!

James Ross

Me, a britbonger: let’s goooo Natalie: “part one, the u.k.” Me: oh no…

purpleforest

Thank you so much for making these! I really love the way you discuss ideas, and having these to listen to while I do my art is really so fantastic :))) Thank you again :)

Patryk Zep

❤️❤️❤️❤️

sam

love the high pony just wanted to say before i listen and overthink a comment 💕

Wissa

I appreciate the history behind all this, and getting a fuller picture of the insanity going on right now. It kinda made me think of a horrible orchestra slowly coming to a crescendo—and I’m still puzzled why gay marriage seemed like a much easier transition for our society than trans issues. You’d think that gay marriage would have been the largest leap forward in terms of LGBT rights with trans issues following along naturally. Bigotry has turned into insanity at this point. Were trans rights the “last straw”? Did the intersection of racial tensions and “wokeness” in sync with trans issues make everything much more radical? I mean no offense, but when I take a step back, it feels like trans people are kind of a random demographic to become so worked up over. The legislative reaction is very excessive, and it’s strange why I don’t remember a similar reaction to gay rights. Have we the silent majority to thank? Waiting for the opportunity to react to ALL the progress of the last century? It’s like we’re playing shoots and ladders and we landed on the spot that sends us right back where we started. Anyway, blah blah blah

Uardito

Do we know what the topic is going to be?

SophieT

Damn Natalie, we're going to have to give you some sort of easy light topic for the next tangent, as a palette cleanser! Maybe some Harpsichord playback? Sending soft paws.

Uardito

lol you made me literally lol

kaybeezeey

Hell yeah Natalie, thanks for biting the bullet on this one for us. 🏳️‍⚧️✊🏻

carmen

i should ve brought a glass of wine with me too cuz goddamn. i dont even live in america, but in the hellhole of romania where things are much worse. and they are getting worse day by day because extremist politicians are starting to borrow the anti-trans talking points they hear from the states, and when they are forced to explain them on intreviews, for example, they realize they dont even know what they are talking about. i am too scared to transition in my country and my only hope is leave or get a lot of money fast.

Alice Intrigue

really useful to see the scale of the onslaught happening. another great tangent, thank u for this work!

Jessika Janene

Amazing work once again Miss Natalie! Thank you for the concise reportage.Will this be forever known as your "Call to Arms" Tangent...??? I hope for all our sake that you're not predicting the future as accurately as you did in 2016.

Ted(dy)

not sure if I’ll be able to sit through this one. much love Natalie, looking forward to the main channel vid.

Austin F

as someone who grew up gay in the 2000s, i feel more attacked by the government than ever before, and i'm not even trans. :/ i actually grew up and live very close to where you did, natalie (i live in northern virginia, about 10 miles south of DC, and i have most of my life). a lot of straight people in my life seem to think that homophobia/transphobia/etc is "rare" now because we live in a liberal area, but honestly, the only real change is that people have found new excuses for the same moral outrage instead of just saying out loud that they hate us. and if it's this way in the liberal areas, i can only imagine living somewhere like oklahoma. when i was a kid/teen, i was treated horribly by a lot of people for my sexuality. and my only hope has ever been that LGBT kids growing up will have a better life than me. and for a while, i was hoping they might. so the way hate is increasing again is so crushing. people are so awful, and it's so disheartening. also, someone should tell trump that "mutilization" isn't a word. lol

TheMadFox

Regarding Russia, there was another step. in 2020 anti-LGBT rhetoric was capitalised on by setting up a fake vote to change constitution by bundling the laws to protect “traditional families” (very vulnerable group) and give unlimited power to the putin🤮 Basically realising an ideal right-wing power grub, dipped in conservatism and based on feeding the people with hatred to manufactured “enemy” to the point there people legally got stripped of basic rights, but it seems believable that people are ok with this, and so the system works😶

Gxoja

Thank you for the tangent - you did not wanted to work on transnegative topics anymore - I appreciate, that you did the emotional work anyway and I hope you some good recovery after diving into these topics. I don't understand a lot about american politics. It sounds so unreal. I feel it is important to keep ones inner Tabby alive and attentive.

Austin F

tbh i think a huge difference between the gay rights and trans rights backlash comes from the fact that bigotry is often (certainly not always) more "polite" now. these bigoted acts in the 2020s often come in the form of laws, blog posts, speeches, "studies", etc. not to say that random people beating others up or screaming slurs in the street don't still exist (they do and are a serious problem), but i think being rabidly angry in general has become a less acceptable presentation in our society (at least in the west, idk about other places). so they express it in a way that seems more "civilized", but is still just as hateful. it might have to do with the way so many conservatives claim to be obsessed with "facts" and "logic" nowadays, too.

Ryan Storey

I'm totally cool with the next tangent just being you reading off quotes from random historical British figures in that accent.

Ash Gabrielle

My partner and I are working on leaving the US in the next year or so and I'd be lying if this stuff wasn't a big part of the reason why. It's a scary time to be queer in the US

Sophie Jade

these are like fireside chats i love it

Jessica Cheeri

That was really good, most stressful topic on the list IMO, but really well done

Ryan Storey

I was in middle school in 2007, and being very clearly gay in Country Bumpkin-Ass South Carolina, I was made a target very quickly. In sixth grade, I was cornered in a bathroom and beat up by a bunch of boys. So I've always held out hope that the newer generations of queer kids were more accepted, and I think they are. But the problem is, the people in our government by and large are the same oldheads that have been in politics since even before 2007. Most bigots (at least the religious ones) now cloak their rhetoric behind "love the sinner, hate the sin" language. Or more recently, with the "groomer" libel.

Prutt

It’s a great point you’re making at the end, and it needs to be repeated incessantly: STOP engaging in “debate” with these cynics. If you want LGBTQ people to survive this madness: Locate our potential allies and educate them.

Donnatela

Do you have people to talk with?

Ted(dy)

Yes I do and I’ve talked about it to death. I really just can’t take the anti-LGBTQ stuff right now. I broke down about a month ago, went into a depressive episode so severe I almost institutionalized myself, then decided to deactivate twitter and not read the news coverage. I have talked about it to death, can’t do it anymore, at least not for a few months. I’m watching the tangent right now bc I always want to hear Natalie’s perspective though.

Magali

Thank you for this! I appreciate your work so much, and it must be tough to do hard subjects like this brutal and cynical nonsense going on. The historical perspective was really enlightening and the hetero fragility that must be protected at all costs fascinates me. Also I loved the Janis Joplin bit :))

Austin F

hey, we're about the same age (i entered 6th grade in 2007). it just sucks, because while it feels like there are less people that hate us, the ones that do hate us are more willing to cause pain than ever. :/

D.A.R.

As written, Tenn. H.B. 878 would permit state officials, including county clerks, to refuse to solemnize a marriage, which is to say to preside at a wedding ceremony. It is at least unclear whether it would permit county clerks to refuse to issue marriage licenses. On the surface, I don't think it does -- and, yes, I am a lawyer, albeit not a member of the Tennessee Bar -- although if it does become law no one can say now how broadly it would be interpreted. I don't mean to pick nits here. I just think trans rights supporters should be as clear in their understanding of what is going on as possible.

D.A.R.

Oh, and Natalie, could you please post a screen shot of the hilarious Vlad Poutine graphic? Please?

Claudio Näf

Ready to go full Tabby up in here 🥵

Austin F

i know the feeling. at least not having twitter bombard you with bad news all the time anymore might be good for you. i'm wishing the best for you ❤️

Uardito

Until I go full Tabby, I'm living for revenge

Donnatela

Is it ok, that I ask questions? Is there anything that gives you strength now or might in future?

Regina Cuddeback

I work for an LGBTQ center and this week i'm giving a presentation on the current (negative) political climate for our community, great timing gorg. the legislative tracking is especially useful!

Khannea

Any US trans women that feel unsafe there, feel free to contact me if you actively desire to permantly relicate to Amsterdam.

TheMadFox

Isn’t the medical transition is pain to get in the NL? Doesn’t it include year long waiting lists, even for those who already on HRT for awhile? That is if we talking a long stay🙃 Please do correct me if I’m wrong 🙂

Alexa D

These tangents are incredible. This is such important work, SO well done.

Lani Geiger

Honestly it makes me sad that this is patrons only because I feel like it could change some of on-the-fence minds.

run_away

I wonder if the USA, maybe even just humanity in general, can get past the need for a scapegoat. Ever. I know it won't happen in my lifetime, but I would spend that lifetime a lot happier if I thought we'd ever get there. How much more clear does it have to be that our social issues are not caused by the women/jews/turks/blacks/mexicans/arabs/gays/transes/aneurotyipcals? Punching down has never worked before. Can we as a species really not realize that, at this point? I'm only in my mid thirties and I've already seen so many cycles of scapegoats. We culturally beat the shit out of them, and then, surprise surprise, nothing fucking happens. Things get worse, cost of living and education increases, more jobs are automated, and in another four-to-eight years another scapegoat is delivered unto us. How long are we as a nation going to keep falling for this? Who's next?

Whatever

Just wanted to say congratulations on another great video.

Alice

There are a lot of people, particularly children, who are going to get hurt by these bills, but I think we'll win in the long run. The best evidence for this is the 2018 Massachusetts ballot referendum on an anti-trans bathroom bill. We won a landslide victory with 2/3 of the vote -that's basically the same percentage of people in Massachusetts who support LGB rights. Polling suggests this trend holds throughout the country: the same slice of the population pushing anti-trans stuff today was fighting against marriage equality 10 years ago. If anything, their numbers are smaller than before since most young people are pro-LGBT. They can still do nasty stuff for now in red states, but we can keep fighting till we get the same kind of court protections and federal laws that LGB people have won.

Lizzie

could not have come at a better time!!!! i’m literally writing an essay on transgender and intersex people in sports for school!!!!! https://tinyurl.com/2tr3wy62

CrystalJade

It’s difficult to comment, but I too needed wine for this. I have to think of myself as a + in these times. Some might say it’s a spurious infinity, but I’d contend it’s the master symbol that negates the fundamentalist position. It’s focus deletes the arbitrary lines created by essentialism. It’s what these ghouls are lacking. We have family, even though power games are playing out before our eyes. I want to shout out to Machaela Cavanaugh in Nebraska. She is such an amazing person, and a master symbol of how to defy ideological political movements….. she gives so much hope by her action and dedication….. and there’s a lyric I feel sums her efforts up… Giving more than they had, The doubters all were stunned, Heard louder than a gun, The sound they heard was…… LOVE, LOVE, LOVE, LOVE, LOVE ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

Ted(dy)

No, actually, I’d rather you not ask these questions. Not the time nor the place. i have bipolar disorder. I cannot control my emotions, so I have no choice but to remove myself from emotionally volatile situations in order for me to survive. that’s it. have a good rest of your evening or day.

Audrey Ginebra

Natalie, you are right. The right is capitalizing on people’s ignorance of transgender people.

Audrey Ginebra

Theoretically, voting these monsters out makes sense but gerrymandering,

Audrey Ginebra

particularly in states like Texas makes it very difficult to push these people out. All of this is so heartbreaking. Even though I’m an ally, I’ll take your Tabby lead. My paw is totally in 😾

Audrey Ginebra

My intention was to create one post not three.

CrystalJade

Ps I was growing up while Sc 28 was a thing. Although that was covered, these days I feel things are a lot more implicit, like abject underfunding without anyone caring, about base prejudice in the UK. Katy Montgomery (who isn’t really political) seems the best voice positive over here, bless her.

CrystalJade

I should stop typing as that was a def a wine fail! 🤭

CC Orton

I'm also giving a presentation on this topic in one of my college classes. Although, I'm focusing more on the collaboration between politcians and the dark money organizations that carefully craft these bills and push them in states all across the country. It's something I don't think liberals consider very often I've noticed. It's always "republicans bad, vote." Which is fine, republicans are bad and you should vote but there's another side to this that needs to be combatted that requires more than just voting. Stonewall shit like Natalie said. I won't mention that part in my presentation but it should be conveyed that politicians are just filling a seat to represent the capitalist class and if it's not that specific politician, it will be someone else.

10 Ten 235 J

I think the main reason Lesbianism was never legislated against in “””The West””” is because Lesbianism was never officially legislated against in the Bible. I gather that the Talmud suggests some punishments for lesbians, but certainly not death, and again, it apparently wasn’t important enough to be in the main Bible. I also think Harems and Polygamy made it such that lesbianism was ok, because they would like it to be legal for their wives and concubines to go at it together with the husband. I wonder what the early Christian church felt about lesbians. Probably less-good than Judaism and Islam, since Christianity uniquely pumps the brakes on marriage and polygamy, even turning general virginity into a virtue of its own, where in Judaism that would more like a failure to complete the first ever commandment: to be fruitful and multiply. Also, I think most of the Biblical laws, and maybe the laws of other cultures, were less aimed at women than men. The law may just be universally harder on men; perhaps viewing men as generally more potentially harmful.

tms

the tangent are great! maybe the older ones could become public?

TempoRainy

tangent of my own: I agree that trans women participating in sports in a rare area in which a reasonable discussion could be had. if you're interested, there was a summary that came out recently compiling all studies comparing trans women and cis women from 2011 to 2021. I haven't quite finished reading it, but the results are quite interesting so far: https://www.cces.ca/transgender-women-athletes-and-elite-sport-scientific-review

Hannah Wittmeyer

Great tangent, if so maddening and heart-wrenching. Spot on at the end re: curating the right message for liberals since Dems are doing little to fight back. I found this Ettingermentum piece somewhat optimistic, re: this ultimately being a losing issue for the GOP (even in deep red states) in the long run. Let’s hope they’re right: https://open.substack.com/pub/ettingermentum/p/the-modern-electoral-history-of-transphobia?r=6ua2d&utm_medium=ios&utm_campaign=post

Jo Quigley

I do really agree that there are actual debates to be had on certain aspects of trans life. I think one thing I think is helpful to reframe the trans women in sports question is to think of it not as a question about "trans women" but a question of male puberty. I think that is a way we can sidestep the "Common sense" bullshit, and stop having prepubescent trans girls taken off of teams. I think it's also worth mentioning though that I think the vast majority of trans people, allies, and activists ALREADY compromise on the issue. In every other aspect of life, I think we agree that a trans woman is a woman even if she's not on HRT, but I think the majority of people are fine with the current structure of women's sports requiring some level of HRT.

Jo Quigley

Also I will add an anecdote: My son pushed some kids at daycare and I was looking up experiences from other moms who had the same thing. I found this one mom posting very concerned that her son was doing this because some of the kids in the daycare were girls and her son was so much stronger than them. Her son was was ten months old according to her post. It's not just ignorance about trans people. People have fundamental ignorance about sex, bodily development, and biology. I feel like there are just these layers of biases and misconceptions that you have to get through even before you start breaking up with the transphobia

Thomas McBride

awful. republicans are such horrible bloodthirsty ghouls. banger video though

Plant Sugar

This should definitely go on the main channel!

corvus + crux

Fully agree. The script is incredibly important

Thaumatomane

I have been enjoying these tangents SOOOOO much!

Guitar_Scales

Please put this on your main channel

Ayanna

These tangents have all been fantastic.

Mazen

Putting this on the main channel could be helpful as a starting point for people who feel lost about all of this.

Moo

Yeah, please post it onto the main channel, thank you. Too big of a thing not to post in public channels.

Khannea

Yes. For anyone else, yes. However (and I'll keep this short) 1 - if you get an addres registration as a US american you can stay indefinitely uunder (I believe) the US-NL friendship treaty or whatever. 2 - through an obscure law under WAJONG disability I can sponsor longstay, 'given the correct contrivances' without standard income requirement. I can make hat offer to ONE person only, but I can make the registration offer to one or two others since I have my own apartment. 3 - If you are registered here for 3 (6? not sure) months, AND you get basic medical insurance (about 150 a month) you get full access to HRTS, GRS, maybe BAS and probably FFS. For free. 4 - YES, waiting lists are right now over 3 years. 5 - HOWEVER, if you have your US paperwork on your diagnosis in order, then I know a very handy backdoor. It is all a bit footloose, registering at trans-Amsterrdam, you can get access to HRT and Endo. That won't be covered but it'll cost you a few hundred. Then based on that I take you to abn ALLY gender therapist, and you have a token 3 hour talk, He has authority to wave you through. And he will. It's all theater. I had a Czech girl, age 20, move in here in may 2020. I took her to the therapist June 21, and she had he GRS, Breast Augmentation Surgery For free, No co-payments. That's a PRETTY nice deal. As I said, I will have to live with that person in my house for at least one and a half years so I won't make that offer to anyone. Even worse, if there's a hitch somewhere I may have to contrivie of (...) pretense of marriage. Alll routine, no biggie. Again I won't make the offer to anyone., But a the end of the day you move in with 'a somewhat older' disabled trans woman of dubious tastes, political ideas, you live in Amsterdam (.i.e. paradise from a US perspective), in the center of Amsterdam, literal walking distance from the clubs. You endure my crap for 1-3 years and whammo you have GRS. Don't believe me? I can put you in touch with that Czech transgirl that walked this road. We (three of us, me and her future husband) visited her parents last summer. They thanked me for saving their daugters life. Like, over and over, profusely. I wait until someone googles my name, contacts me, then we discuss terms on webcam. I am not rich, you'll have to go get a job in a restaurant or whatever. It'll cost a few hundred to live comfortably here and another fewhundred to prosecute the entirity of this whole pathway, so you may want to arriv with a small sum of money. You need to get your own plane tickets, passport, etc. But I think for the right trans this would be a literal lifesaver. What do I get out of it? Hopefully nice companionship. I can't live alone, I go crazy after a months alone. So I constantly have couchsurfers here, people that stay at my place during festivals, homeless transkids, etc. I am VERY catious and selective, so not crazies. Am I a shady character? I sure used to be pretty nasty 15-20 years ago, Conviction for cybercrime. However I am relatively harmless these days.

Khannea

Why can we all get along? ..And then that little c**t Ben Shapiro shows up and he goes on for 2 hours he doesnt care about your feelz and if you want something you go get a job, and work for it like everyone else., bla bla bla. The world is full of unreasaonable m**th**ers.

Khannea

It is capitalizing on the stark existential terror ("...wHaT w1LL tH3 Ne1gHb0rS tH1nK REEE???11!111...") of white suburban middle class, faux evangelical, faux traditional hypercapitalist, white boomers that have been scared that one day their son Clifford will come home completekly sissified wearing day-glo cat print spandex and miniskirt, a fishnet shirt with a Madonna velvet bra, a pink collar, and a black and heavily muscled boyfriend named TYRONE, and there goes the inheritence and the reputation in the neighborhood.

Khannea

The reason lesbianism isn't legislated in many places (or somewhat LESS legislated) is because a lot of aging white men are thinking "wow, I might actually be rich enough to score me two LEZZIES in their 20s that do my every sexual whim bidding".

Khannea

Liberals (i.e. Liberal parents) are concerned they won't have grandkids because Jesse is now Jessica and she lives in a commune south of San Francisco, and "there might be drugs involved". These folks have no clue what's happening in the world, other tha a funhouse mirror distortion full of monsters, as displayed on facebook and fox.

Khannea

Count yourself lucky you don't liv in Iran or Russia, Or China. Or the f**ing Congo. Hard to imagine but it could be even worse.

Made of Stardust

I hate that this isn't public. I want to high send it to my mother, whomst I have queer baggage with but we're "in a good place" for the most part. Shes just tone deaf and annoying at this point, and I can't teach for the life of me. Anyway, let me do high 4 am texting to my mother Natalie. You're gatekeeping.

Daniel Loizos

Dear Natalie, What a piece. These tangents are getting better and better. I stand in solidarity with you, and your comrades.

Daniel Loizos

I do too mate. Natalie was the 2nd or 3rd trans person I watched on the youtubes. (The others being a dutch youtuber called Robin and Abigail from Philosophy tube)_ I value Natalie because of her intelligence and her lived experiences. She is clearly not a thicko (tr. she is mega brainy), and thoughtful.

Darren DM

Just wanted to point out that at 8:58 you say "The English Press", but the picture is from the Daily Record, a Scottish tabloid. [/pedantry]

Laura G

Yes. They are getting the pieces on the chess board to be able to charge us with serious sex crimes simply for being out in public spaces. Sort of a national "walking while trans" situation. I have tried to explain this to my straight friends. They don't quite roll their eyes, but I can feel them wanting to.

CoffeePoints

Or you could leave it on the alt channel, but change it from being unlisted to public, so the non-Patreons will be able to find their way to it

Austin F

also, this is only tangentially related, but this video made me fall down a rabbit hole about henry VIII, then about mary I (aka bloody mary), and during that i found out that when mary was in her 30s, she was constantly bitterly arguing with her brother edward VI, the king of england after henry, about religion...except edward was literally 11-13 years old. there were stories after that of 34 year old mary being reduced to tears because her mean 13 year old brother kept telling her being catholic is bad and to stop doing it. i don't know if i should feel bad, but i think that image is so funny and i can't stop thinking about it. what i'm saying is the fact that any political philosophy has been carried from british royals is insane to me. 1500s british royalty was just twitter.

Connor Simpson

Literally a Twitter teen harassing women... smh. Cancel 13-year-old minor monarchs!

Samantha Cook

Reading about all of these bills as they come out fills me with so much dread. As someone who is marrying a trans woman in less than a month, I am constantly afraid for her. I fear for her safety all the time, way more than she does for herself. We're lucky because she's an academic and we'll be leaving the country in a couple of months for her new position, but the facts are that 1) this isn't something most trans people can do and 2) she is leaving her country partially for political reasons. It's all so terrifying and upsetting, sometimes the future seems so bleak to me.

ProfessorWham

You really need to make these tangents public. I personally know several people who really need these.

kaybeezeey

If you don’t think Natalie would get dragged through the public square for suggesting there’s a nuanced discussion to be had about trans people in sports you must be new

Ariana Cisneros

Can’t y’all vote for her to make a tangent on a topic that’s at least a little fun?

Julschi

This is really good, especially with the historical background at the beginning. This world, man...

ProfessorWham

I'm not new and I do know that--I'm not naive. I also know lots of people who would benefit greatly by this discussion. All of the above can be true.

highclass_lady

I never know what to say because it always all seems inadequate; so I tend to freeze when it comes to stuff you might actually see. I get super excited, overthink, make it all about me, share too much, delete, apologise, learn from it, my brain whispering "parasocial" beneath every bit. Even if I never seem to sort out words, what matters is that I listen, that's what I'm here for, & what a privilege that is. Your content brings so much thought, wisdom, wit, nuance, awareness, intelligence, & more both in what you say & how you say it. You fight for what's right, you do your best at it, & that's absolutely beautiful. Girl, you've got this! 💖✨

RamblesAboutStuff

This was a very necessary video, thank you. Also, thank you for adding humor to it. Now, please drink a lot of water and go do something fun. I dunno, watch the filmed stage version of Phantom or, as you apparently call it, The Masked Incel. Many parasocial hugs and kisses. ^^

SaphyrTaniai

Hi Nathalie ! I'm really happy about your new format because I have the possibility to hear about your work more often. It helps me to add a little bit of understanding to the hate and horror we go through. I'm not living in the US but in switzerland, but sometimes when I see how trans people (and in general lgbtqia+ community) are treated overseas in such a big country, as a baby trans starting the journey at 28yo, it tends to scare me and question what I want for myself. But when I listen to multiple podcasts, including you, it reassures me, greatly. For me, it rationalize my fears, and I fear less something I can understand and size, than an awful shapeless wave of hate. Thank you for doing a tangeant on this difficult topic !

Lauren O'Toole

I would highly recommend watching the film Blue Jean! It's about a lesbian P.E teacher trying to live a double life during the Thatcher (****) era during section 28. Such a powerful, raw, emotional and beautiful performance and great lesbian representation!

Nicholas Coffin

Geeze, this one was a tough watch. Appreciate getting up to speed on the information, but like...fuck.

Yuripreamble

100% Appreciate it! Definitely feeling like crap but I’m hopeful!

ts_babyjane

TLDR; Glad Youre Back! im happy to be seeing you on my screens again. i love your thoughts and opinions so much! im happy that you must like doing these tangents since youre putting this out so early! im personally fine with you taking all the time you need to create and be yourself, ive been a patron for years and that wont change. Now that all of “lefttube” has been releasing fewer videos to focus on big projects ive learned how to find other parts of youtube and longform content i like! and to start investigating topics myself instead of repeatedly feeding off the opinions of others… big deal for me, lol i know no one else cares. but! anyway, i didnt forget anout you, queen, i just havent binged your content in a minute and its exciting to be like “oh yeah, i forgot that natalie is god tier”.

LegitmateProfits

I'm leaving Texas as soon as I can. Your videos always encourage me! Thank you! P.S. I agree, this too shall pass.

Amber

Its hard living in Kentucky and seeing that shit I feel shameful for even living here if I could move I would

Darren DM

Yeah, my comment should have stayed in the drafts folder, lol.

Meghan Be

Thank you so much for making this video. It is so hard face this reality, so I really appreciate you taking it head on and providing this resource.

ranavain

I love these tangents. All the Contrapoints goodness with (I assume) much less Contrapoints work

ranavain

Though I have never personally felt so old as I did hearing Natalie saying "naur" like Mike's Mic XD

Lucas Guarnieri

Mike's Mic and Natalie in the same sentence seems right to me.

Brenna

I became more politically active after watching this video; called my state HR rep about anti-trans garbage, and then was inspired to call my state senate to support some good solar bills coming up. I encourage other folks to do the same. Please remember that you're doing real, generative work Natalie!

Lucas

This was a very entertaining way to inform myself on current events. I’m sad to say that oftentimes listening to news podcasts is work, but watching this video was fun. Have you considered using Patreon to commentate on current events?

Jared A.

Great tangent! The "why is this happening now" section reminded me of either a tweet or a TikTok that I saw from disability activist Imani Barbarin where she drew a direct link between the surge in anti-queer legislation and the lifting of COVID restrictions. These people saw that they could enact a whole bunch of political violence towards medically vulnerable disabled people -- functionally excluding them from participation in social life if not actively killing them -- and that liberals and even most leftists wouldn't really give a shit as long as it meant they could go back to brunch. The removal of mask mandates, the "covid is over" rhetoric even as it's the third leading cause of death in the States right now -- these are all the precursors to the bills discussed in this video. These people know they can do this stuff and get away with it.

Ilana Galpert

Yes, defend Ukraine against the gays by murdering Ukrainians

Ilana Galpert

The Republican election strategy is "look at these people. We hate these people. Elect us so we can get rid of these people" and it fucking works so that's cool

Electro_Static

I used to have many republican friends and when talking with them, it was clear that they didn’t have a set of policies that they believed would make the country a better place, instead they had a list of enemies that they thought the country would be better without. Instead of talking about their ideas, they would obsess over who’s fault everything was. My dad’s an old man, but from when I was young, he pegged them pretty accurately for me: “It’s the politics of exclusion son, that’s always what they’ve been about”

Anna the Smiling Cat

Good video but I think next time I'll only give votes for less depressing subjects...

Mason Moorehead

I liked the first half but the second half is something I think most of us are drowning in on the daily so I just frankly wish it hadn't been a topic for Tangents. This is main channel PSA content (like the one on Voting) and seeing Tangents go in this direction makes me worry that this is a new path into burnout. I feel guilty to complain about this as I know I need to 'eat my vegetables' and confront the dark future looming over me and so many I care about but I was dreading this all month and it still was very defeating to watch. The Q&As had issues but at least they offered some windows of joyful community.

Allison Wolf

Good video, but I'm sorry you had to spend time focusing on that. I'm in TN and it's crazy here, definitely noticed an uptick in danger. There's an attack on books at our local library, and the Republicans are bringing people from hours away to clog our library board meeting, which is set to be so contentious the library board requested a police presence. If you're even remotely defending people in the LGBTQ community, you get called a groomer, and as you mentioned there's potential for the state to start locking people up for it. I'm cis and straight and lived through the moral panic of the 80s -- I saw how people were treated and refuse to let that happen again without fighting. I'm fighting while I'm still here and moving some trans and queer people to safety. Will continue to fight in my new location.

Joe Johnston

Vote. It really does matter. If it didn't, the GOP wouldn't be trying to stop voting as hard as they do.

Electro_Static

What should terrify everyone is the level of invasiveness and vagueness of these laws. It’s an unhinged and dystopian level invasion into people personal lives. It has shown a consistent pattern for the GOP, victory they get only emboldens them to take more and more people’s rights away. Every thing they do now is just setting the stage for worse things to come.

Milanko Doroski

I remember reading the Handmaids Tale a couple years ago, thinking no country would ever develop that far backwards. Well, here’s to naive past me, I guess I‘ll be needing bigger wine glasses soon.

Made of Stardust

Oh I didn't know that! My mom may end up hating you for letting me know lol, but I appreciate it! Thank you!

Cis Lesbian Grandma

You are so good at distilling things down. But it must also hurt to get so in depth.

cheesecurl

Thank you so much for this painful but necessary work. TX Senate heard testimony on that anti-ESG investing bill today, which would result in significant reductions in rates of return for government pensions that service teachers, firefighters, and policemen as it would prevent these funds from participating in most private markets. Cheap, shortsighted, and hypocritical. As I watched Senator Hughes' rat face talk about the need for "stopping corporations from governing" while he pushed forward legislation promoting the oil and gas interests he has catered to for so long, it soothed me to think of another 19th century novel, Tale of Two Cities. The scene where the wine shop owner feels depressed and his wife tells him to keep it together, as their time will come. I try to channel her energy. Our time will come too.

Zuzanna Maria Tadeusz Amadeusz Mochniej

I'm not from the US, so I didn't about most of these bills. Sadly, the government of my country, Poland, has been partaking in pretty much the same anti-lgbt (and in recent years mainly anti-trans) rhetoric, quite similar to that of US republicans. Since the parliamentary elections are coming, our ruling party (PiS) has been using trans people as scapegoats. Since 2019 some local authorities have claimed their territories as "lgbt free zones". In 2021 there was a bill (fortunately it didn't come through) under a charming name - "Stop lgbt" - they basically wanted to ban parades and other "homosexual propaganda". Our national television is so corrupted it's sickening (not in a slay way). That's not even 1% of the horrendous things they've been up to in recent years and I sincerely hope PiS doesn't win this years election, Poland won't survive another 4 years with those buttheads as our leaders... btw, this looks like a very serious topic for a tangent, I hope you're doing well after reading all these depressing news, Natalie. I hope you had a nice, relaxing week after preparing it < 3

Deconstruction Interactive

Thank you SO much for this video Natalie. You are amazing and my heart goes out to you for all the pain that went into making this video <3.

Christopher Marsland

One thing that section 28 teaches us is that these laws will have effects far beyond their specific clauses, because those tasked with implementing them will overinterpret them, out of either caution or their own inherent prejudice. I spent my entire school career under S28 (1988-2002) and only at the very end of that period when it was clear the law was going to be repealed did any teacher stand up against explicitly homophobic bullying, because their interpretation of the law was that "saying it's not OK to bully gay people" could be interpreted as "promoting homosexuality". Be kind to your 30-40 year old gay British friends kids, we're all kinds of broken.

Cookie

Kudos to you and all the people doing the work and research to keep everyone up to date on these horrible bills when it’s so personally taxing 🫶🏽

Anna Komnene

It would be wonderful to post these on youtube for non patreons too..... your vids are far to valuable for them to be kept only here....

Trying my best

FUCKING VOTE. You don't actually have any valid intellectual case not to. It's never been about the time it takes, or about thinking not voting would somehow make more of an impact. It's always been about identity - cultivating a self image of an intellectually superior, spiritually purer person. Politics isn't a space to express identity, it's a space to get shit done. Get over yourself and vote.

Daniel Loizos

I think you may be preaching to the coverted here, old bean

Austin F

unfortunately yes. which is what sucks. one of the reasons republicans seem to have an easier time getting results is because of leftist/liberal infighting (and not just among twitter people) - because the truth is, most of the time republicans don't care who they're voting for as long as their politician targets the things they hate. there's plenty of infighting within the right wing as well, but their resentment is so powerful that they'll vote for someone they don't like as long as it punishes whatever makes them angry.

van

Thank goodness you're finally posting SOMETHING on the main channel, I've been starving mamá. 😫 ❤️

Daniel Loizos

@Natalie, your English always makes me chortle (English for laugh hard). I think you could do a whole Tangent as Lady Foppington. That would be smashing, and yes, super. :)

Studioroom

If any of my representatives were proposing any bills like these I would Stonewall-Pillory them. Simply on the grounds that it's a f-cking waste and they are not doing their actual jobs. Fortunately I live in Maryland though. Just a total waste of time.

R B

Any chance we can get audio only versions of the tangents as well? Find those a bit easier to listen to on the road.

sunlit_music

Thanks so much for making this video. It's really well researched and thoughtful, and I appreciate it.

Otter

I put off watching this because I knew it was going to depress the living daylights out of me...and it did! But it was an excellent video, and I am going to tell all three non-garbage straight cis people I know to become Patrons so they can watch it.

XavierTeatime

Hearing Trump talk about putting an end to "radical gender extremism" reminds me of being told back in 2016 he would be the most LGBT-friendly president in history because he held a flag. Did KILLARY hold a flag? When I presented a list of actual pro-LGBT legislation she endorsed or acts she took as SoS, I was told she was just "following what was popular" which doesn't count apparently because reasons! Hahaha! Hahahaha!!!!!!

XavierTeatime

Also want to say as an aside, Ms. Points - for years I was aware of your channel but avoided watching it because I had been burned by entertaining Lefttubers who, when it came time to actually do the bare minimum to stop fascism by voting for Democrats, suddenly became completely apathetic and assured everyone there was no point doing anything and BoTh SiDeZ aRe BaD!!!! Only last year did someone finally bring you up in conversation as a leftist who advocates for voting against fascists, so I binge-watched all your videos and fell in platonic biological love.

kkikibunny

“if you have a parent in maryland and a parent and florida” that is my life currently

jim davies

Appreciated. GOP's a straight-up murder/suicide cult now. They've been completely bugged out ever since Gorby cock-blocked their McRagnarok back in '89...

Pige Desprez

The solution is to find all the hippy grandparents to get the government to just smoke some weed and listen to rock’n’roll

Gary

I live in Arkansas please if you know a team who will rainbow railroad our queer asses out of this putrid hell hole then by all means!

10 Ten 235 J

When you publish your new video, please build anticipation with one of those YouTube countdown thingies!

Freya

Once gay rights reached a certain point, aim stopped being suppression and became assimilation. Monogamy was considered ‘straight’. Promiscuity was a radical political protest against heterosexual hegemony in the pre-AIDS gay world. There will come a point when trans acceptance is such that there will be a push towards medical transition. It is going to be more desirable to have trans people be binary and conforming than it will be to allow radical gender politics to flourish.

Jackie

bestie can you please do a tangent on anarchism? 🫶🏻 radicalize me queen 👹

leo over monroeville

unrelated but i would absolutely slive for a met gala outfit reaction video

Armando Mistral (edited)

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2026-09-14 12:00 9:30 -&gt; Look, this is on-brand excellent, but I must quibble. I was married for 25 years, whereupon GAYS invaded my home and set up a campsite in my living room, from which they plotted and executed the demise of that marriage. It was horrible. And they laughed manically like cheap Bond villains as they were doing it, too!! I've since been forced at gunpoint by our Gay Overlords to be gay married, an institution so titanium-strong that death is my only escape. Pray for me.
2023-05-05 18:12 9:30 -> Look, this is on-brand excellent, but I must quibble. I was married for 25 years, whereupon GAYS invaded my home and set up a campsite in my living room, from which they plotted and executed the demise of that marriage. It was horrible. And they laughed manically like cheap Bond villains as they were doing it, too!! I've since been forced at gunpoint by our Gay Overlords to be gay married, an institution so titanium-strong that death is my only escape. Pray for me.

9:30 -> Look, this is on-brand excellent, but I must quibble. I was married for 25 years, whereupon GAYS invaded my home and set up a campsite in my living room, from which they plotted and executed the demise of that marriage. It was horrible. And they laughed manically like cheap Bond villains as they were doing it, too!! I've since been forced at gunpoint by our Gay Overlords to be gay married, an institution so titanium-strong that death is my only escape. Pray for me.

Turki

Seems like concerning time for lgbt citizens in the United States these bills will hurt the silent minority the most. As a Saudi living in Saudi Arabia I don’t feel you will be in danger though let me explain my perspective: in the United States as I understand it the president can be in office for 4 years and 8 years maximum and the legislations come and go, you will go through ups and downs constantly no matter what. But here where I live as a gay person I’m not recognized at all and I have no control whatsoever to change that because here where I live it’s completely up to the King and the government to change laws. I’m happy now Saudi Arabia is changing for the better for women but for lgbt people we’re totally ignored except for western foreigners they now accept gay people because they want more tourists to visit to diversify the economy. My point is that of course you guys should fight but also have faith and don’t panic xo

Jesse Pack

thanks for doing this video. as a trans person, these legislative attacks have been overwhelming and I am a well-off person in a solid blue state.

mayathepsychic

that fischer wells debacle is NUTS, like cartoonish nuts. it's literally a saturday morning cartoon where child main characters are doing something silly then we smash cut to the top floor of a corporate office where the city official is slamming the desk. how much more moustache-twirling can you be? these people tie women to railtracks on their days off

mayathepsychic

If you ever choose to unprivate a video to promote what tangents are to people, i think it should be this one. This is such a valuable, awful resource on the shit going on right now. "What rights don't trans people have?" is such a common retort i see online, and fuck is it eye-opening to see all of this damage and hate collected into one place.

Jenny.L.Castle

Mia Mulder's video on trans people in sports is excellent for anyone interested in a thorough and nuanced look at the subject (it's also funny af)

Christopher B

Hi I know it might not quite be in your lane, and I guess you posted that you wouldn't post anything more on queer activism because the situation is so dire, but would you ever do a video on intersex people? Or perhaps better, do you have any recommendations for channels on youtube around the topic?

Ann C

Thank you for the recommendation for Mia's video. It was excellent and raised several points I hadn't considered. Still, one of Riley Gaines' (a competitive college swimmer) effective talking points is that Lia Thomas undressed in full view of the female swimmers, which she claims some found shocking and uncomfortable. One solution would be to move trans women to a different area to change. However, I wonder if this would be acceptable or, in some cases, easy to accomplish. I'm sure others could identify better solutions.

Ralph Gurner

I’ve been thinking recently a little about how it could be best to go about those kinds of scenarios. I think it’s not really immediately obvious what an optimal approach would be. I get the impression it’s common for trans people to struggle with social acceptance, especially in certain communities, and to experience a fair amount of negative/unpleasant/hostile social interactions, sometimes to a significant degree. So I think making trans people change in different areas could play into that. But then I think what you said about some of the other swimmers feeling uncomfortable is also a valid point. It seems likely there’s no perfect solution where everyone’s preferences are maximised

Alex Moody

Let them pay $2 to see them ^_^'

William M

Just fyi, the MI bill is part of the GOP’s bid to reclaim power. They were kicked to the curb last election statewide, with the legislature changing hands for thae

William M

…the first time in 40 years. These cretinous ding dings are looking to sadism their way back into office.

Saoirse

Okay that's actually a really intriguing point about heterosexuality being so fragile that is has to be mandated by law, whereas gay relationships are seen are so seductive as for the mere knowledge of their existence is expected to recruit millions of feebleminded women and children!

Austin Luther

Just seeing Glenn Youngkin pisses me off. I live in Virginia and was disgusted when he was elected. His entire campaign was anti-queer and racist parent's rights bullshit. At least in Virginia governors can't serve consecutive terms.

Narcissa Deville

I will say when so many states are taking such hard right turns on LGBTQIA issues and the states that aren't are like 6x as expensive to live in it does kind of feel like well where the hell are we supposed to go?

SG

I love all your content and so appreciate you sharing all this information to help us all become better allies. That said, I’m sitting here crying that things have gotten so bad for the 2SLGBTQ+ community. I want and need to more than I already do. You live in your community, be an active community member and ally and think things are getting better but once you step back and see the bigger picture it all seems so daunting. This is going to motivate me to push harder.

June

Can you make a video debunking the Atrazine is causing more transitions conspiracy theory? Hate to have to ask this it's ridiculous I know but I just heard about it and apparently it's gaining popularity in the right rn. ugh.

Sage

I thought you were referring to Thatcher as a milf for one horrifying second.

Vall Wise

I would absolutely follow Natalie into revolution. She would make an excellent leader.

Anonymous

Proud to be from a gray state! (19:19)

David Waldron

I have so many trans friends in Oklahoma

Anonymous

Please do invade the bbc, it would be my favourite thing ever ❤️🤣

Josefina Mauri

hi everyone, is this video archived? i can't see this or any former tangent- help please(:

Joshua Fuller

I don’t need rights. What are they any way? 🇺🇸

August Ellis

This was a hard watch, honestly

Femininja

Omg this was so hard to watch. I send lots of hugs to all us-american queer people from Uruguay.

Rose Dombegh

The 1963 Quaker pamphlet "Towards a Quaker View of Sex" (one of the first religious documents that supported gay relationships) interpreted St. Pauls letters as essentially saying this -- that same-sex relationships would be so much more enjoyable than heterosexual ones that heterosexuality would just ... cease to exist? As a bi person in a straight relationship, this idea is wild

Rose Dombegh

Does anyone know of organizations that are trying to underground-railroad queer people to safety? I know of one called Rainbow Railroad that works internationally, but I can't find an equivalent within the U.S.

K8 Lacy

RIP NEX BENEDICT (Oklahoma sucks)

rk

Yeah, fuck all that noise. Wrong, unethical, bullshit. We are supposed to be a free people.

Chazie

I came back to this tangent just to hear you say all these ridiculous british names again

Saxifrage

Being far from a beginner in the area of Britishness, for anyone wondering, my best guess at the pronunciation of Agmondesham would be something like "Ahhnd-shum", just as Wymondham -> "Win-dum"