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Hello loves.

More thoughts on yesterday’s conversation…I am still reading through the last of your comments and some of them are so incredibly well-written and I am so happy to see the civility.

If you missed it:



https://www.patreon.com/posts/138769331

This was mostly written for the commenters on socials but I’m posting it here, also because it’s too long for IG so I’m sending those people over here if they wanna read more thoughts. Be nice to the newcomers. You always are.

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I posted yesterday about Empathy not being Endoresment and it riled a lot of feelings and led to a lot of comments and discusson. So here goes all the unedited thoughts at once…just like the old days.

So many of you know me as the one who speaks my mind openly and obviously (well, perhaps not obviously to all) my thoughts and feels about many things have been curtailed for the time being. I’m semi-canceled in many quarters at the moment for irrational reasons but, in a weird way, that emboldens me because if it gets me more canceled…eh, at this point, whatever.

Because of my current life situation, there are so many thoughts and deeper feelings I do not share because it simply does not feel safe. I used to share so much. But I have talked to a lot of artists lately and I am not alone in this, and not just because of my divorce situation. It’s larger.

My band has a huge show just outside Vienna tonight.

I just shared a meal with the festival curators and the discussion took that dark turn into the political situation here. The FPÖ (the extreme Far Right / Freedom Party) has about 30% of the vote. You read that right. Three zero.

I remember touring here years ago and being terrified that they had 4%. It seems absolutely unbelievable. But it is happening.

I walked down the street to get a coffee and I tried to wrap my head around all this. I remembered living in Bavaria in 1996 and feeling this seeping discomfort around the casual racism against the local Turkish population. From punks and artists my age.

I have lived my life as a human and a writer and a whatever-I-am dedicated to a philosophy of non-violence and radical compassion. I stand by it. I will never abandon it. Ever. Cancel me.

I have been criticized early and often throughout my career for clapping back online when I see people celebrating or taking glee in anybody’s death or suffering.

There’s nuance and semantics and fine lines and we all dance around them; and there’s humor, but in earnest I just don’t think it pushes humanity in a better direction for anybody to want anybody - literally anybody - dead or for anybody to actively wish harm on any other human being.

If you disagree, that’s okay. We can still be friends. One of my besties and I got in a kitchen conversation/tussle a few months ago when they insisted that if they were in a room with (insert oligarch) and coukd get away with offing them, they would. But really? I asked. They said yes. We discussed. We still love each other and make music together. It’s okay.

In some ways, I wish I could be as flagrantly loud as I used to be. I wish I could speak more openly about things. I can always summarize and I’ll never cover it all swirlimg around but I’ll try: my divorce has been extremely difficult, and let’s just say it: tragic. I want nothing more than to to protect this next generaton and the future landscape of their mental health. I want to serve my little music community, and I can’t believe some of the things people think nowadays about me, and am so about that world. I can’t believe the number of people i see buying guns; places I never saw it coming. I think what’s going on in Gaza is horrific and inhumane. I can’t believe the number of my friends who have canceled one another over Israel/Palestine issues. I see the horror and the genocide in Gaza and also see my Jewish friends feeling horror and despair about what to do; so many of them just seem paralytic. So scared. Most of them protesting. Some of them just seem trapped and in shock.

Then Charlie Kirk happens. The man and his ideas were and are abhorrent. Fucked up and sickening, ethically revolting. And listening to the people who wrote in from Utah, the hardest thing to digest is the concentric waves of extreme suffering and the images now in my head of children vomiting from shock at seeing something so unspeakably awful and violent. The local trans community - who already have so much shit to fight and deal with - having to deal with one more battle they didn’t ask for.

I will never stop calling for empathy. Ever. For all. I really do not think you can make exceptions for any reason.

I feel the same way about Mangione and the United CEO. At the end of the day, celebrating and wheeee-ing murder is not gonna move us ahead on the logical chess board. Empathy means: you must feel the whole ecosystem. You can’t make exceptions because it is the exceptions that make the rule.

I said it yesterday to the patron post: Charlie Kirk was a horrible tumor on an ailing body, but he was lopped off by a drunk surgeon with dirty hands. The whole body he grew on (us) is sick and needs healing and care, but now it gets more badly infected and bleeds out. This is bad for everyone. The whole problem gets worse when you celebrate the drunk surgeons.

It’s so weird, being in Europe for the first time since 2019 and trying to make sense of all this happening in America. But it’s also happening here.

What have we become? Were we always this?

I can tell you this, and ask a favor.

I’m going to play an hour or so of music tonight. I’m not going to make any big long political speeches. I’ll keep it short and sweet. Our set is only 75 minutes. My politicos speeches are in the form of playing Sex Changes, and Girl Anachronism, and Black Sabbath and Brecht and Sofia Isella.

This band and our songs are inherently political. It’s a miracle we exist. We are two bizarre and unapologetically expressive artists who were raised by Nick Cave and Fugazi and who believe in love and hope and freedom and gay gay gayness and who have never, ever compromised our art to sell a product. The male drummer wears make-up and pearls. The female singer has armpit hair and screams her feelings.



It’s enough that our poster is up all over town in this place where the local nazis are literally starting to take over.

I can try my hardest. I can try my hardest to get it right. Gaza. Kirk. Music. Divorce. Life. That’s all I can do. Try, and know I’ll get it wrong, in most people’s eyes, most of the time.

Here’s the favor: ask all you want of your artists, gently, but try not to punish them for not doing and saying enough about (issue x) to the point that they decide it isn’t worth it to try to make their art.

You need us. You need our art. You need the wildly expressive feelings of the next generation of artists to carry the important story of our true humanity forward.

If you ask us to work *for* you and your immediate agenda, if you punish us online for not nailing it 100% perfectly in regards to Charlie Kirk, or Gaza, or Abortion Rights, or Taylor Swift’s airplane, or Greta, or Trump, or AOC, or Gavin, or Kamala, or Gun Control, or (fill in the endless endless blanks that will never go away), you are going to exhaust and endanger the very source of what is going to save us all.

The art has to come from somwhere. We have to be okay enough to make art. Please, be careful. Don’t punish your artists out of a fucking job.

Me? Dude. I can take it. I have been taking it for 25 years. I am a pro, an emotional internet garbage disposal. Seriously. You’ll never scare me or chase me away. But please, please, watch out for everybody else. I’ve heard from too many artists lately that they’ve left the internet because they just cannot handle the insanity.


We know how lucky we are to even be here, alive and working at this festival, playing our music for money. And unlike our friends who played the Kennedy Center a couple weeks ago, playing music for money without being quietly taken aside by the stage manager five minutes before the show and reminded not to “say anything” political.


Wish us luck tonight.


X

A


(I’m going to cross-post this to FB, and the start of it on IG. Please feel free to share discuss there but I’d love the conversation to live here. Fuck Mark Zuckerberg atop all this. But I don’t want him shot).

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Scott Meekins

Life's too short to be a racist, folks. Amanda, I love your armpit hair. I think it's great!

Jann

I love you Amanda Palmer and this is why.

Becky Ellen-Johnson

<3 Thank you for the reminder. In this horrible climate of fear and adversity I feel like empathy is the first casualty. I don't like the feelings that Charlie Kirk's death made me feel. I don't like the feeling of savage 'serves you right' emotion that swept through me. I don't like anything about this and I fear for the future. The privacy of my own head is where I will grapple with the conflicting emotions. In real life I will keep doing the good that I can and calming the fires I can reach. With all the waves of violence and hate ricocheting around the world, I will make my own little ripples of kindness, calmness, and compassion.

Anna Foden

just found out his wife and kids weren't at the event, doesn't change much but it gives the far right less of an excuse to force others into feeling sorry for him via his family....

Ryan Stuck

This is a tangential comment. Your stance on empathy and non-violence is, at least to some of us older fans/patrons, well known. And I thought about that for more than a moment. I've put something together - i am in total agreement about empathy. Broken or mislead people can perpetuate harm, but helping them break the cycle requires compassion not more hatred. However, we fork on the violence road. It may sound terrible to many, but violence can be necessary. I lived in a very racially divided area of San Diego while I went through high school. My school was primarily black, followed by Laotian. I did not match, so I was targeted. I learned the hard way sometimes you can't get out of a fight. I've thrown fists more times than I wish to count. I don't consider myself a violent person, but self-preservation can force you to make decisions. I've hurt people. The only possible saving grace is i never started the fights. But i didn't accept getting my ass kicked either. Im not sure what the point is here, other than sometimes you don't have the luxury of being non-violent unless you're willing to accept a lot of pain. So the decision is ultimately still yours, but the cost might just be too high. I earnestly hope you get to be one of the large majority of people that never has to be in a physical altercation. No one wins in a fight. But I guess just know that some of us weren't really given a choice, or at least a pacifist option that wouldn't end with broken bones and bruised or bleeding flesh. I hope that you don't think less of those that have fought, for one reason or another.

Suzanne

Oh my Amandalanda. You put it so well. I haven’t actually had mini debates about the Taylor Swift jet with friends… “How do you want her to get from one place to the next? Have you looked at the costs of replacing a functioning jet with a newer one? Pretty sure it is a bigger waste of resources…” etc, plus all the financial benefits her Eras tour had for the cities she hit, not to mention the boost in morale and mood etc. I am also an extremely vocal advocate for leaving artists of all kinds, including social media personalities, tf alone. They owe nobody anything and frankly, some would still be popular if they’d kept their opinions to themselves. 🤣 Anyway. After the Mangione thing, I stopped referring to our hospital CEO as such. He’s a middle management local administrator, he has the title because for legal and licensing reasons each location is run as a separate company, but he is also very dear friend (I keep telling him he was at my wedding, he hugged my mom. He’s family now) so I am concerned that someone who has no concept of how things really work will go after him. Just because of his apparent influence. You can’t fix everything by creating martyrs. I will wish a long miserable coma on people. I work in acute care tech support - a coworker and I came up with several creative possibilities that do not involve death while I was upgrading her system one day - alive and not functioning is better, and a natural lingering miserable end as a result of their own indifference to personal care is much easier to deal with. Because then blame is harder to push on anyone else, even if people try.

Deana LeBlanc

I had not heard of the guy until he was killed. I haven’t had time to research or learn much about him other than what others have said, some of which is probably true! Some is taken out of context - which weakens some arguments. I’ve not even watched a video of him speaking. I don’t think my time is best spent researching this. Even if he is promoting division, the violence is also resulting in division, it seems! I don’t know the historical trajectory of political assassinations and what effects happen in the long term positive or negative. I agree that empathy isn’t endorsement. I feel for his kids and family, and all victims of violence.

Coila

I keep being told people liked something I said but then I go to see what and it's not here... 😂🤦🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️

Frankie Swadley

I would happily dance, piss, shit, etc etc on Charlie Kirk’s grave. And I make no apologies for it. 🤷‍♂️

S.

I’m not even sure that anyone will actually see this because the speed of the internet moves so much faster than I can so much of the time. And thinking about and drafting a reply has taken multiple attempts over several days and a ton of time and spoons. But I think it’s really important for me to say something – especially as someone who is very privileged in many ways and simultaneously very marginalized in many other ways. So here goes: First, I absolutely do not condone Charlie Kirk’s assassination. I do not find *any* gun deaths acceptable. Charlie Kirk, however, is on record as saying that some gun deaths each year (and specifically in reference to school shootings) are “worth it” to keep to the right to bear arms. That said, there’s a lot that’s coming off coming as very privileged, judgmental, shaming, and holier than thou behavior from people who are most likely more privileged towards those who are most likely less privileged in these posts and comments about Charlie Kirk’s assassination. Amanda, in one post, you told people you were happy to see civility. But while civility can be a good thing, it is often weaponized as a tool of white supremacy, colonization, and oppression towards marginalized groups -- especially when the people oppressing them are not being civil (see people on the right complimenting Congresswoman Sarah McBride for staying calm when addressed as “the gentleman” or called a slur). To be clear, I’m not saying that you or anyone in the replies was behaving anywhere near as oppressively as that, and unlike with MAGA bigotry, I don’t believe any oppression was intended at all by you or anyone else here. But microaggressions are still microaggressions, which build up under the weight of having to live under so many macroaggresions and other microaggressions daily, especially in our current culture. And on that point, I ask “Civility to who?” I read most, if not all, of the comments on both posts about Charlie Kirk’s death. Some of the sentiments I saw from you and from others in the comments about people celebrating Charlie Kirk’s death or not having empathy for him were things like: “if we get this wrong”, which seems to imply people being wrong for feeling that way; “Check your empathy” ; calling people who are feeling unempathetic, relieved, happy, or even celebratory things like “lost” , “sad” , “not healed” and “just as bad (as Kirk was)”. The one that I personally found most painful was someone who freely acknowledged not living in the United States and not being familiar with Kirk’s “work” but who also simultaneously said “I can’t imagine any of it is more hateful and damaging than some of the comments in this very chat” and then went on to accuse many in the chat (presumably those who lack empathy for Kirk specifically) of not knowing the true meaning of empathy or compassion. Now let me interject that I and many others with trauma and abuse histories have felt and often said that living under this administration is retraumatizing partially because it feels so very much like living under abusive parents, except with the whole power of the US government is behind it. I also want to add that Charlie Kirk was directly responsible for helping to create the environment in the US that so closely resembles enduring child abuse in ways like spreading hateful rhetoric and vitriol, getting others to elect Trump, helping to support passing oppressive laws, and contributing to it all financially. Patrick Teahan, a mental health professional and Youtuber who makes content for survivors of childhood trauma posted something recently that I think is relevant here, though I want to be very, very clear that he was writing about child abuse and people’s reactions to it, *not* Charlie Kirk or the current administration. But I still think it’s very pertinent to this situation. Teahan wrote, in part: “Those who tell us to forgive struggle with inauthenticity and toxic positivity and are removed from their sense of empowered anger and justice. (codependency) It looks good to be a loving, better person.” I do realize that forgiveness and empathy are not the same thing, but I still think that the sentiment is very applicable to this situation. Another Youtuber, Vera Wylde from Council of Geeks, made a short that *is* in response to Kirk’s assassination, and said much more bluntly and concisely my thoughts on the matter, but without adding a whole lot of explanation and extrapolation for reasons why that might be a good idea like I am attempting to (admittedly, I’m doing that far too wordily). Here’s the link to Vera’s video: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Ea_WYI3ll1E I’d also urge people to watch this video by Knitting Cult Lady on some of why people saying “Violence is never the answer” comes from a very (often white) privileged place: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hB3gmohSyok And to educate themselves about stochastic terrorism, and how physical violence with things like weapons is not the only type of violence. Here is a video with a very quick overview: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/dapSllWt5sU I am both a writer (and thus someone with profound respect for the power of words), and someone who has survived physical, sexual, verbal, emotional, and psychological abuse. By far, I found that the nonphysical abuse was the hardest to bear and recover from, for a variety of reasons -- not least of which was that others usually did not consider those types “real” or severe enough to warrant help for. And as someone who additionally is now living with state sanctioned violence against me, my loved ones, and other members of marginalized communities, I am everlastingly sick of people claiming that words aren’t violence and that only physical violence is real violence. Like taking people’s medical care so they die isn’t a weapon. Like taking peoples food so they starve or housing so they freeze or overheat to death isn’t violence. Like hateful rhetoric isn’t weaponized. Like keeping people so afraid, in pain, and desperate that they can’t think, organize, resist, or even function isn’t violence. Like stoking and inciting riots and a hostile takeover of the capital isn’t violence. Like encouraging a war isn’t violence. Charlie Kirk was full of violence. A non-exhaustive list of hateful, bigoted, and violent things Charlie Kirk said: He said he didn’t like empathy and that it does more harm than good. He told women to get their “MRS” degree and not listen to their college professors. He called some gun deaths each year “worth it” (and specifically in reference to the gun deaths of school children). Despite wanting himself and his people to have guns at the expense of the bloody deaths of school children, he spent his last days trying to remove gun rights from trans people and lied about statistics to try to accomplish it. His literal last words were racist and violent, implying gangs cause most mass shootings. He said executions should be public, and that children should be forced to watch them as an “initiation”. He said successful black women “stole a white person’s slot” and that black pilots aren’t qualified. He referred to homeless people as “bums begging you for change”. He said if his daughter was raped at ten years old, he would force her to carry her rapist’s baby to term. He said Islam is incompatible with the west. He said gay people getting stoned to death is God’s perfect law. Those words are violence. Words represent things. And words lead to policy changes and cultural changes. Words can absolutely be violence, those that Charlie Kirk said, and those he didn’t say, but that he and other MAGA supporters like him encourage with their words and actions, which in turn lead to physical violence that so many people want to pretend is the only kind. “Coverage denied” is violence. “Income at least three times the rent” is violence. “Antisemitic” as a euphemism for “Antizionist” and “anti-genocide” is violence. “Yea” votes on sending money and arms to Israel is violence. Talking about the pandemic like it’s over and a thing of the past is violence. “Welfare Queen” is violence. The n-word, t-word, and r-word are all violence. “Illegals” is violence. Falsely accusing Latinx people of being gang members and falsely accusing trans people of being pedophiles and groomers is violence. But they’re all just words. Some are words that cause emotional and psychological harm all on their own and “stop” there, if you can call it stopping. Some lead to the spread of ideas, actions, and to more physical kinds of violence. The phrase, “Life unworthy of life” is just words, after all. But those words are fucking violence.