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Dear Ones...

I DID IT!!! It took every spare second of the last few days, but I wrote my heart out and I got it, up. Ask Amanda #5 is OUT!!!!!!!

I've already sent it to three friends who said it brought them to tears.

Yay me. Someday I'll be able to write shit that is't always about crying. But probably not for a few years.

I'm just not there yet.

Hi Amanda,

A couple years ago, my husband and I decided that we wanted to have a baby, and set a date to start trying. Then the pandemic happened, and then I had a series of health problems, so it’s been on hold, and the waiting gave me too much time to overthink it. Now I’m not so sure.

When I think of myself 10 or 20 years from now, I see a mom. I’d like to have a family, since I was pretty much on my own before I met my husband. The problem is that I don’t like being around children. Babies and teens are great, but children (around 2-10 years old) are hard for me to be around, probably because of my own childhood trauma. (I’ve read that unconscious sensory triggers can remind my brain of its own childhood, which was rough.) I know I’ll be a good mom when they’re older, but I’m afraid I won’t be a good mom to a young kid because I won’t want to spend time with them. Should I listen to that impulse? Am I unable to give a kid the mom they deserve?

Thanks a million,

L.H. or “Doubtful in Nebraska”

P.S. I hope you pick me! I see a lot of stuff about women who know they want kids, and about women who know they don’t want kids. Women who are in between and undecided aren’t talked about enough. It’s a lonely position to be in.

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https://amandapalmer.substack.com/p/ask-amanda-5-should-i-have-a-kid?sd=pf

And please, if you love the piece, share it!!!!, and also tell the story of how your patronage made the writing happen. 

Art doesn't happen in a goddamn vacuum.

It's there - live and published - on the substack "Ask Amanda" page (It's free). Drawings are, as usual, by Sarah Beetson.

This time I played around and took some on-theme photos of Coco Karol (taken here in the woods). This embedded video (here, above) is a live reading of the last draft that also goes to the $5 Substack folks. It's FORTY (40!) minutes long, so go get a drink and a hanky. It was copy-edited by Rina Bander.

Don't forget the Althing is coming out tomorrow, too, with a little video and a lotta text. 

Pace yourselves, yo!

I had a great chat with patreon today, by the way, about moving to a monthly model. IT MAY BE ABLE TO HAPPEN and I THINK THIS WILL BE GOOD. Prepare.

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I wanted to give a special shout out to everyone for working last-minute on this one, as is becoming embarrassingly usual. Rina (the copy editor, bless her heart) pulled long, weird hours, Coco hopped into the photo session without blinking, and Sarah cranked out some absolutely gorgeous art - and her own words. And, holy shit, it all came together in a glorious package.

Here's me and Coco after our little house-woods photo session. 

SMOOSH!!!!

I love that because I have this patreon, I would up getting to photograph my friend being a strong goddman mom in the woods. 

I even got to PAY HER. YAAAAAAYYYY.

Here's a super-glorious photo of Dancing Woods Coco that I didn't use in the piece...

But also, YOU.

You all - my wonderful, weird and understanding patrons - you really helped along with this one. I wouldn't have gotten off my ass and written it were it not for your support the other night.

Thank you so, so much for being my patrons.

GO READ THE PIECE, CRY IF YOU GOTTA, AND SHARE IT AROUND!!!!!!!

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Suzanne

Yay! Also Happy Birthday Ask Amanda Article To Me! 🥰😂🥳 I'm just happy you're happy. Shh... Don't tell anyone else, but I daydream about just hanging out with you drinking coffee and talking about raising kids and insane lives and basically having a normally abnormal chill afternoon laughing and crying and supporting about all the randomness that is our generation actually being adults and shit now.

Rexington Funk

Thank you so much for this. I am at such a painful crossroads in my life and I’m so lost. Your writing always grounds and inspires me and I need something to ground me right now. Thank you for working so hard and getting this done.

amandapalmer

you're so welcome. i am really proud i managed to get this one finished and out. you all really, really did help me. you're my squad, yo.

amandapalmer

i still sort of can't believe it. in between having my last call with the copy editor and going to a CURRICULUM MEETING AT ASH'S SCHOOL IN HIS SECOND GRADE CLASS, I totally got the existential spins. what is HAPPENING TO US???? HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!

Suzanne

Mine are already adults... Thankfully my daughter is adultier than me many days. My job is crazy responsible and we raised humans and my husband and I look at each other laughing hysterically wondering how we fooled everyone.

Lynn Parlett

Thank you for writing and speaking this. I'm (thankfully) past the age when I have to make that decision. I know it would be harder now. I know my daughter has decided no and my son has decided yes. I read cards for folks on the daily, mostly women, some men and the common thread is what about love? what about children? Can I? Will I? Should I? Why doesn't the world understand and support my decision? ... the decision of yes and no. Everyone has a fecking opinion. And yes, every, single, decision must be acceptable and celebrated and supported. So that's what I do. I support. I cuddle babies who come into the shop and congratulate the parents (and the babies). I celebrate people who say yeah, not for me. I got you. Oh and yeah, every parent, no matter the decision or indecision - is freaked out and terrified.

Ariane Craig-Smith

Ah, thank you! I’m so glad for you that you made it out the other side of your own angst to produce something so beautiful (they always are). As a serial last-minute-rush (I’m meant to be writing a funding application that is due midnight tonight) creator/doer I can absolutely identify with both the angst and the rush of delight and relief when it all comes together. You’ve captured the wildness of this parenting lark beautifully. Thank you for acknowledging the darkness along with the sparkling wonder.

Ashleigh M. Ferreira-Bartlett

I'm so excited and so grateful and so proud of you. We love you so much, and hope YOU are the MOST proud of you. Love you. Thank you.

bluefoxx

Wow! That was amazing! What a wonderful response, Amanda. I had a lot of fun watching you during the edits, too. The way you describe being a human fascinates me ❤️

Anthea Peck

Loved it. So much if this resonates with me. Had my kiddo at 38. She’s almost 4 now. Love her to the moon and back BUT- I did NOT get an easy child, and I most definitely have times when I pine for my childless days…. Was really glad Sarah brought some maternal mental health into the conversation too. That. Shit. Is. Real.

Paul Grimsley

I responded over on Susbstack. Wanted to add my thanks here. I'm new.

John Byrne

I love this response. You make the invisible visible. As a single dad I really resonated with much of this. Been at breaking point when I could not hold back the dam. But also seen that in creating a safe place for my son I feel safer in my own life.

Kathryn Drew

I haven't read it yet but I'm just wondering... you didn't Thing it?

Ashleigh M. Ferreira-Bartlett

You are reason. You know that Carole King song? I want to sing it to you. Please. I am creating SO MUCH ART through my pain. So mf grateful, dang. https://linktr.ee/atinyartgarage ^PLEASE DELETE IF NOT ALLOWED. BUT ALL OF THIS, THIS CREATION, THIS EFFORT, ITS ALL READY FOR THE BIG THANK SPEECH ONE DAY FOR THOSE THAT FUCKING INSPIRED ME AND KEPT ME.. NOT ONLY GOING.. BUT CREATING!! The reason is you. Dagonnit. ETA when you search on Spotify for "the reason" Hoobastanky and Creed come up BEFORE Ms. King. Get it together.

Sunny

To quote the lyrics of Brandi Carlile’s song “The Mother”…welcome to the end of being alone inside your mind, you’re tethered to another and you’re worried all the time. Also, if you’ve never listened to it, you should. It’s an amazing song, with an even more amazing story. Amanda, I always love hearing your insight…especially the tough stuff you had me laughing and weeping. As for myself, I always wanted to be a mother…as far back as I can remember maybe because I grew up without mine she was sentenced to a 20yr prison term when I was 3yrs old for robbery(no one died or was injured, that is not to minimize any trauma that was experienced by anyone involved. As much as I wanted a family neither of my long term partners did, or they said the timing was wrong. So, I compromised for them…for love, for whatever reason I told myself to justify what I feel like now at 45 was a huge sacrifice, and something that for me is too late now. I’m very much alone, and regret that I didn’t just say fuck it and be a single parent, but then I also look at how incredibly screwed up our world is and I find myself feeling selfish for ever thinking about raising a child…but then I think, but I would teach my child to be a kind conscientious, brave,respectful, empathetic human, that could help the world…🤷‍♀️😂 so, I totally get the conflict. All that aside though, I wish that I had made decisions for myself instead of for others. I’ll probably die alone, only to have my remains partially consumed by my cats before I’m discovered.😂 I also have huge respect for people who conscientiously choose to not have children. It’s a life long journey and the road isn’t always smooth, and you definitely can’t return them once they’re here and ask for a refund like you said. Anyway, that’s my once a year ramble. 💋 Much love to you, and our Nebraska friend. 💗🌈 🎶 👶

Elsie Eastman

Absolutely loved this, and loved "every ride is the right ride to be on". All so thoughtful, informative, and deep. -27, childless, Boston

Shane Maxwell

Amanda, thank you so much for this. You have articulated the existential complexity of parenting so so well. I have experienced, and continue to experience, everything you said about kids forcing you to grapple with identity and trauma. That choice to stop, take a breath, and not continue the hurtful behaviour that wants to be passed down is so difficult, and so empowering. Additionally, I have just been diagnosed with autism, and I suspect both of my young children are autistic as well. So I am currently grappling with how that affected my childhood, and what does that mean for my kids. How can I support them in the ways that I wasn't supported? How can I help them navigate the line between integrating into society and remaining true to their values, needs, interests and desires? How can I teach them to advocate for themselves, when I don't know how to do that myself? I wish conversations like this one were had more frequently, and more honestly. I feel like people are generally satisfied with, "Parenting is difficult and amazing, but there is no real way to know what it's like without doing it." I don't find that to be satisfactory. I have always known that I was meant to be a parent. But parenting is absolutely not for everyone. But they cannot know that if people won't have honest conversations with them about this difficult stuff.

Els Van Haute

Thanks for making me (child free by choice, because of my past) feeling good about myself and my choice. It feels like you really understand both ways, I felt supported. Thanks from Belgium, Els

Laura Morland

Oh, Amanda absolutely Thinged it! I'm sure she'll report on it in the Allthing, which she will post before midnight tonight EDT... and which will also be Thinged, by definition.

Laura Morland

Yes, you would have "[taught your] child to be a kind conscientious, brave, respectful, empathetic human, that could help the world." But... you are only 45! You probably haven't reached the 50% mark on your lifespan. Your future is still to be written. You can still become instrumental in a child's life; you can still find a life partner who will bury you before your cats eat you up. (My cousin Evelyn just got married at age 62!) May your future be fulfilling and bright.

Laura Morland

BRAVO -- YOU DID IT! Your piece is... even more brilliant than I thought it would be!!! (And your bar is set high.) And the world is now a better place, since you gave birth to this deeply nuanced meditation on parenting. As for the timing, maybe some women -- or even some men -- really needed to read your advice in the next few days, and not deep into October. I really hope women in their 30s will "share the hell out of it." Webchat sometime...? (No pressure!)

Deniz Bevan

Definitely made me cry, as someone who tried for ages to have a kid, not even sure if I would make a good mom, then was blessed with one in my late 30s...then went on to have a surprise second baby near 40. I can totally relate to all the words on tiredness, regret/no regrets, and trying to find patience every day...

Jo VanEvery

This is great. I will also say that your own kid is different than other people’s kids. I remember having a conversation with a friend about this many years ago (we’ve got adult kids now) and she pointed out that you learn what 4 year olds are like as your kid becomes 4. And you are only figuring out what *your* 4 year old is like and a small number of their friends. These are specific people. Not kids in general. And you develop a relationship over time rather than being thrown into a room of strangers. Or seeing your friends kid every once in a while. As my friend pointed out, no one ever asks if you like adults. And it’s okay to like some adults and not like others. We can apply the same logic to kids. As I’ve raised my own kid, I’ve realised I don’t “like kids”. I don’t dislike them but I couldn’t do a job that involves being with them all day. And I am not at all sure what to do with my niece when I see her (she’s 7) And people are surprised. They’ve met my daughter. They see me as a good mother. And I am. She still wants to be in a relationship with me as an adult snd I call that a win. I like her. I like her friends. I enjoy spending time with these specific people. And I did when they were 3 or 7 or 13. You can be a good mom and not enjoy spending time with kids aged 2-10 in general. What you can’t be is a primary school teacher. Or kids soccer coach. But that is an easier thing to avoid. Hugs.

Laura Wellner

OMG Amanda, yes to all of that! Well done! I never planned to have kids, and I didn't think I'd ever meet someone who I'd want to have a kid with until I did. And when I became pregnant at 23 in spite of "being careful" I sucked it up and went with the flow. We got married. I had no clue what I was getting into, I was scared at times, but then, not at all. I felt very brave going through this big life event and taking pleasure in "How fucking cool is this? I'm having a baby! Let's sit and watch the baby kick and roll around inside my belly!" And there were times I felt OMG, who do I think I am bringing a child into this fucked up world, we could all be vaporized by Russian nukes and...(ugh, after all these years, that worry is still there.) The endless list of nightmare scenarios never go away. We had very little money during my pregnancy, thankfully, I had insurance through my job, and we shared a house at times with one to three other people for the first three years of our kid's life. I also had to put up with the echoes of past childhood trauma, and my own self-doubts, I felt so unfit to be a mother. There were times I felt like a shitty parent because I wanted to continue pursuing my creative self, struggling to fit a few hours here and there to follow my bliss and then being pissed off at the kid for foiling my plans because the dramas of child-rearing disrupted everything. And of course, because I wasn't being a "baby factory," I caught plenty of shit for being "selfish" not having more kids. My mom wept when I told her that I was having my "tubes tied," I was 40 at the time, and I didn't want to have another "accident." I was just starting to move forward with my creative self after having it on a semi-hold while raising the kid. Anyways, we couldn't afford it, kids are expensive. Fast forward, it worked out. We raised this kid to become a fully functioning adult and a good example for others to follow. He's so level-headed I don't know how he could be my kid, it's funny, isn't it? He happens to be still living with us, but that's an economic decision during difficult times. He's our built-in best friend. We were kids when we had him, and we grew up together. I have no regrets. It's all good.

Lesley S

Looking forward to reading the comments here; the pieces and comments on substack have been so... Therapeutic... To read. Even the darkest-to-me one speaks to my own anxieties. That said, this post and so many other similar Things have come up for me at the most cosmically timed moments that I can't help but laugh: I'm lying here in my 30s in no small amount of physical pain at 39+ weeks pregnant, in a solidly purple state that is on the knife edge of taking away my future reproductive rights, with a partner who's supported my hemming and hawing for over a decade (no slip-ups, access to Plan B the one time I wanted to be extra sure, and he's always had visions of having a kid with me but didn't say anything for years because he didn't want to pressure me or make me feel weird); survived a devastating miscarriage exactly a year ago, still processing my own very very complicated feelings about parenting and family trauma ... I'm so so so scared. About the process of birth, about what parenting will be like, about what I'm bringing this kid into. And I've already learned so much about myself and this kid and they're not even here yet. I am BEYOND grateful for my Spouse, my therapist, my doula, and the tribe here and on the Shadowbox, for the people who held me last year and who are holding me now; the women in my life who I regret not being closer to when I was younger; i marvel at my mom's strength the more I unpack, and I am trying now for the first time in 30 years to hold a nuanced version of my dad in my head versus the nigh hero-worship of a complicated and traumatized guy who's gone off the deep end (in my mind)... But like I've told my therapist, i can't even be anxious about the nuances of parenting or this kid yet because it's all such an unknown. I don't know who they'll be. Or what they'll experience. And i can do my best and they might still be fucked up. But. Here we are, winds ripping at the window as a hurricane may or may not be heading our way. We'll know by the end of the day I suppose. It'll be what it'll be, at this point. Time to buckle up and buckle in.

Abigail

I chose not to have children due to my trauma and it was the best choice I ever could have made. I'm a wonderful auntie. I love my friends' children. And I am absolutely sure I made the right choice. I applaud anyone who thinks it through before deciding either way. Our culture is so ill about children.

Lucy

Thank you for this, Amanda. I needed to read this. I'm also years-deep into questioning and it's such a lonely place to be. Yet again, I feel held by you. I'm 32, about to be 33. In my early twenties, before I trained as a teacher, I was sure I wanted to be a parent. In my mid twenties, with a couple of years of teaching four-year-olds in my pocket, I decided I definitely didn't want to be a parent. I left teaching three years ago, and now I just don't know. I'm so afraid of being too weak not to pass on trauma. I'm seeking an autism diagnosis and I'm afraid that my sensory needs etc. will make it harder to keep my cool. I'm afraid of being in constant meltdown or shutdown. But even if I can do it... how the hell do I afford it? Here in England we're facing a cost of living crisis so huge that I don't know how it can be solved. The heating bills just keep going up. The house prices and mortgage rates too. Four months ago we could afford to finally buy our own house - we've been saving for more than a decade - and today I don't know that we can anymore. I keep looking at the property websites and despairing at the tiny houses we can't afford anyway. I expect my rent to be put up any day. How can I bring a baby into this instability? How can I possibly afford all the nappies and baby clothes and toys? I feel like the choice is being robbed from me.

Lena Kix

I laughed, I cried, I nodded, I felt the agony. I just turned 31 and from the outside looking in a lot of people probably assume my life should be pretty great. However, I have been pretty much battling depression and an existential crisis this past year and the whole question whether or not to have kids has definitely been part of it. Being a woman in the beginning of her thirties it’s hard to avoid that question anyhow. It felt so good to hear you talk about the agony and doubt that I’ve come to know over the past few years. Right now I’m just trying pretty hard to be good to myself and not to try and attempt to solve all of life’s big questions at once. Thank you for this wonderful piece. I felt so seen!

Lynn Robinson

So powerful & honest - that sums you up AFP. I’m a 60 year old with 3 grown up kids. All born when I was in my 30s. Still worry hugely about them all. Eldest has health issues he’s not addressing. Middle child & her partner have recently moved in with us temporarily as they wait for the purchase of their first house to go through. Love my daughter so much but also find her frustrating as an adult at times . I know she also gets annoyed by me too! Youngest has moved back too after a hugely painful breakup with his long term girlfriend. I’ve also been very worried about him & the change in his personality that this breakup has caused. At the end of the day - all we want is for our children to be happy and fulfilled . When they’re not , neither are we. I hope whatever decision Doubtful in Nebraska makes/ made brings her peace xxx

Sunny

Thank you so much for your kind, and insightful reply. That’s really a beautiful way to look at it. I have thought alot about adoption, but my state won’t allow it.🤷‍♀️ Hearing about your cousin gives me hope, and I’m very happy she found her person. Perhaps mine is out there too. Perhaps becoming cat food is not on my horizon after all.😂❤️🤞🏻

honor ash

right here with you on the 'jesus christ england is really making this a lot harder' angle. i saw someone say the other day that their electricity is going to be £10 a DAY from today. we don't have a smart meter, and i'm scared about this winter. and it's just us two. no tiny baby that needs the house to be kept warm and free from damp and all these things that are somehow really, really expensive. i'm only 25 but i have a condition that impacts my fertility.. so i feel it. i'm thinking about it. i'm scared. i also have ADHD and a lot of sensitivities, meltdowns (when i was unmedicated). my partner also has ADHD. our baby would probably have ADHD. if we struggle to buy groceries for ourselves, how do we know we wouldn't fail our kid(s)? but then i get so mad at myself, because i would never say to another disabled person that they shouldn't have a child because of their disability. i will say, that if you have good people around you, pretty much any situation can be made to work, from what i've seen. if you have a strong network of close friends, who have demonstrable affinity towards picking you up, helping you out, The Village can materialise and make it ok. and i do have a faith that whatever happens, it will be ok. and this faith is what keeps me on the edge of saying 'why not? let's do it!' i want to finish my MA first. but other than that... everything else can shift around to accommodate, i think. even that probably could if it happened. i'm loved, and in a loving relationship, and even if that fell away i could probably make it work on my own. i live near family, who could help. i spend every day trying to identify my 'Village'. and the 'it will be ok' comes from knowing that they would be there to pick me up.

Mark Gerard

I'll keep this short. Be happy if it's possible. I've never had a relationship so I can't fully understand. But if it comes from love that is beautiful

Karen Jarboe

I really enjoyed how honest you were about parenting. In fact, your journey was happening along side my journey. Yes and what a crazy crazy world it is. And yes my whole world is suffering because of it unfortunately. I love my daughter, but in all honesty, I should have listened to my gut. I really should not have had her. I do regret it. But I will carry on and be the best momma to her I can possibly be. However, in the end.....I wish I hadn't. I was not in the right situation, did not have the support. My marriage was struggling. The child tore it apart. Not her fault. The relationships fault. I actually have more support now that I'm divorced than I did married. I have completely lost myself, I feel it physically. I will prevail yes, yes I will. But I wish I didn't have to...."prevail." Just an ode to those who do regret it. We will also be ok. I am a life lover. But this kid runs me to the ground. P.S This is definitely me venting. Thank you for the safe space to do so!

Dorit

Thank you so much for this! I have a feeling I will be rewatching as time goes on.

Vera Wye

Just catching up on Patreon. Thank you Amanda for being open and honest and complete.