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Hello my loves.

Greetings from Waiheke Island, Aotearoa New Zealand. 

Kiwis/Auckanders: I am thinking of holding a patron-gathering SUNDAY JAN 15th in the early afternoon at my place on Waiheke, if you can make it..comment and let me know? I'll do another poll in a day or two to see who can make it or who'd prefer to do this on the mainland. I know some of you are already coming to the sold0-out fundraiser for Artworks on the 15th).

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Hi. Hello. 

Kia Ora.

If you want to see what it looks like here in New Zealand, I just posted this video of me screaming into the sky.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CnLUnw9JteN/

That's Shintaido, a form of Japanese sorta-martial-arts movement that I've been practicing since my 20s. A lot of you have done Shintaido with me. I love it. It helps.

(Yes, I have a wicked burn. It was worth it. Aloe every hour. Lots of water.)

I feel overwhelmed, joyous, torn, giddy, exhausted, at peace, churned. All four seasons in a day right now, and I'm about to move from one house to another. I did not realize that coming back here would be traumatizing, along with being wonderful. I am juggling that feeling. Bad things happened here, and I learned terrible truths on this Whenua - this land. The Te Reo work for land is the same word as "placenta". The Whenua.

I went to a memorial for a suicide the other day. I went to the Foursquare. I went to the gas station. I went to pickleball. 

The mundane is showering down on me like shrapnel.

And ash is so, so happy. This is him and his bestie, Aya, playing in the waves.


He went on his first real Kayak yesterday. He had been afraid.

Now he's not afraid.

I took this photo this morning on Waiheke, on a hike with Jane, who also took the above video. The water really looks like that. That blue. Those greens. Fuck I have missed it here.


I come to you today with an important poll, as I try to decide what to Thing/publish this month. 

This month is downtime.

I'm mostly clocking time with Ash, trying (failing) to catch up with some admin, and doing some deep existential healing and contemplation about the future. 

It feels like a well-earned rest. 

I have some poetry I've written, and I've published poetry here before, but only once (when it was a long, long, important poem) had the chutzpah to charge for it. I found myself musing about this when my "Full Frida" post on social media the other day brought a large number of people over to the patreon (hello, new people!) I find myself wondering how to pull and dial the levers of this thing. I almost never charge for my plain old "writing", unless it's been heavily edited or is very, very, long. Many people have told me a poem that I've written has changed their life, their mind, their heart...and sometimes that isn't true for a 6,000-word blog. But it's weird. Maybe it's the patriarchy. Size matters. I need comfortable putting out a 6,000 word essay and charging for it, but not so comfortable putting out a 60-word poem, even if just as much (if not more) work went into it.

I think this poem is one of the best things I wrote last year - songs and essays included. This one is really wonderful too.

I didn't dare charge for these. POEMS? It felt too uncomfortable to do that. And yet I wrote a fucking book about being comofrtable charging for art - ANY art. I don't know.

I found myself wondering: maybe if I really WORK on the artwork that comes with the poems - do original drawings, really work on the visual - I'll feel allowed? I don't know. Maybe it's an inspiration. Maybe you'll encourage me to do that and I'll pick up my watercolors and paints again, just to feel legit.

Here's the point, and here's the poll. Let me know how you feel about me charging for poetry...espeically in these down-times before I start working in earnest on the songwriting for the new dresden dolls album...that should be coming in Feburary/March/April, with lots of song demos and fun times.

I daresay, opening the poetry faucet with abandon may also prime the pump for the lyric firehose. And if you're here to support the work...well, all the work is the work. But you're always honest with me, so I'll listen to the poll. I am not capable of pulling an Elon Musk and setting a Russian Troll Farm to fuck with the results.

 Be honest with me. I need that.

Love

AFP

 

Comments

Amy Bellingrath

Amanda, anything I get from you seems like a best friend has popped in to say hi. I'm practically homeless, my 30 year marriage is over, I have no car, and my new job starts tomorrow and i don't get paid until the 30th of January. My best friend's communication, no matter what form it takes, helps me stay alive. Hugs and tell Ash to splash a little for me. Amy xoxo

SewTara

I’m officially voting ‘anything’ but I want it noted Thinging poetry is totally super amazing in my opinion (wanted that explicitly stated) ❤️

Angel Rosen

I'll give you permission to Thing a poem until the day I die, but! What about also reading it? What about talking about what lead up to it (without over explaining it)? Like one time I wrote a poem for no other reason than seeing a cream colored Cadillac that I felt needed to exist inside of a poem. Some poems are destroyed by explanation but you're such a good storyteller anyway... Also if you ever need a poetry editor / feedback-giver, you know where to find me 🥰

Samantha Blackley

Hey Amanda, would love to attend a little patreon thing at your on Sunday before the show - sounds like a grand plan. xx

LJ

The post you wrote a few years ago about defiance wasn’t even a poem and it’s one I printed out and have posted on my wall and bookmarked in my inbox so it never gets archived, so blog posts are also art sometimes and really just Thing all the things … (and maybe move to monthly so it’s not about the Things and what counts as a Thing anymore???)

Becky Irvine

I love that you are back in NZ. X

Wesley

Take the fucking donuts!! Almost finished reading your book, and this post makes me think of that line 😂 hope it helps. Take the fucking donuts! Charge for a poem! You’re overthinking it. But hey that’s why we love you ☺️ love your honesty and authenticity.

Doug Sinclair

Will be at the show on Sunday evening, and would be very happy to drop by earlier in the day.

amandapalmer

aw fuck. FUCK. this is the sort of comment where I just want to cry. thank you. this patreon is starting to feel like an actual kitchen.

KJ Hawkwood

Yeah, that's a hell of a "between trapezes" moment, Amy. Sending you powerful support from unexpected directions to loft you into your next life. <3

Sally

Why am I getting this feeling deep in my gut that you and Ash belong in NZ now? I know it would make co-parenting hard, and being away from family and old friends isn't easy but this feeling, it is strong.

amandapalmer

this is an excellent idea. or maybe a live reading/webcast to accompany every poem. if i can't make time to do that, i don't deserve to THING.

amandapalmer

i need a deadline. i have really decided, without deadlines, if i just have money coming in....i'll get lazy. it's so fucking weird but it's true. maybe when i am less reliant on the patreon for my full income. but right now...it's kicking my artist ass.

Angel Rosen

Oh Amy, that's impossibly hard. You have friends here. ❤️ Amanda has been the "best friend checking in" feeling so many times in the last 15 years for me too. Sending you love

Noelle Rum

I have not ticked a box in the poll. It sounds like you are trying to find an art to thing, to justify our patreonage while you need downtime. I would rather have fewer things and see you really excited and proud to create the art you were driven to create because it needed to exist. If that's this poem, great. If you need to have more than one thing this month to bring in income, that's cool too. But don't feel like you need to be 100% productive all the time. Isn't the whole point of patreon that you aren't being forced into creating things on someone else's schedule?

Gwynne Garfinkle

I'm a poet and usually only publish poems I get paid for, so hell yes, Thing the Poetry!

amandapalmer

i know. i know. but also: art of asking. asking and getting consent makes me feel happy. is what it is.

KJ Hawkwood

Another vote for "anything" but also "POETRY IS LIFE PLEASE POET AT US"!! Visual art you make to go with word art is bonus and awesome. But word art is itself, and glorious, and we need it. Also I hope you and that incredible Whenua can make new bonds that will dilute the terrible memories at least a little bit, because it's clear how precious a relationship this is to you. (And I bet to the Whenua too.) Repair is not always eradicating or reframing past injury - sometimes it's just adding enough good to let the terrible not fill the pot so fully, if that's a possible thing. <3

Angel Rosen

I don't know about that. The webcast is a commitment in itself, and it may not honor the individual poem. Let the poem tell you what it wants to sit by. They will all have different needs.

Bruce Strong

Songs are just poetry set to music. I support you. I just wish I could hug you.

S.

Aren't song lyrics poetry? Also, poet here, and perpetually disgruntled that poets are often the least published and lowest paid of creative writers. Any art is art, including poetry. Also, this is a possibly completely erroneous observation from a stranger on the internet (yes, technically a patron, but still a stranger) so this could be wrong and feel free to completely ignore it, but -- you seem so much happier, more at peace, more grounded, and less at loose ends back in New Zealand.

LJ

I totally get that and I’m the same way, needing some kind of deadline/accountability. Do you think some of you’re feelings about a poem not being enough to be Thinged has something to do with you not feeling like you’re enough of a Poet and thus Thinging poetry feels weird, rather than the poem not being enough to Thing? (And I’m happy to tell you that you are a poet, by virtue of being human but also even more so because you are a songwriter)

David Faux

Thank you for sharing! The images are wonderful! Although I loathe sunburns, and I feel your pain, I am a bit jelly of how close the sun is to you in Southern Hemisphere. Winter in Iowa has little chance of excessive sun. I miss its warmth. Bee well. Enjoy your time. Thing whatever brings you peace to thing, but don't fret overmuch on it. I am equally excited by what you thing, as I am about what other things your patrons and fans will create in response. Your art, in all its forms, is the force that fuels this lovely community. 😍 Art is Art. Thank you for all that you do to make this world a brighter, more connected, place.

Carmen J

I might have been hoping it was a poll to vote for you being back in the Southern Hemisphere for half of each year but I digress. Poetry is art. Art is worthy!

Brody

I mean, fuck. You could Thing a picture of a couple popsicle sticks glued together if you want. Or a smiley face in the sand. I don’t subscribe to the Patreon because I have Expectations, I subscribe because it’s rad that it can support you as an artist if enough of us do it in small amounts.

Alessandor Earnest

I’ll be coming to the partay from my waterfall/valkyrie photoshoot inspired by you! See you Sunday!

james speight

Kia ora ano, welcome back. And I have one word for you: Permission.

Ofel Epicorus

Will be at the show and keen on coming earlier for a gathering. Also, I am very interested in learning more about Shintaido.

Kristin Ryan

Your words have been a constant source of comfort for me since the MySpace days. I remember the blog about the birds outside your window. The blog about the orange dish soap next to your sink. The blog on your website about baking the cake. Your lyrics. Your poetry that makes me ache, yet slowly, steadily make me want to trust myself enough to finally start writing again after two years. Write what you want, what you need. I love you.

Angel Rosen

Exactly. I feel the same. I think if someone has a high amount tier & they haven't capped their Thing amount, then maybe they would not be a fan of popsicle stick art posts, but that is up to them. We all know how it works. At the end of the day, my patronage pays for one Thing: Amanda's wellbeing. That's what I am interested in paying into, I care less what it looks like or what I consume on a month to month basis. I'll throw my dollars in the month's hat regardless.

Amanda Eckert

so I voted for “anything, Amanda, anything,” but I just realized that’s not entirely true. I would not be okay with you thinging any of the following: 1. the word “moist” 2. vegemite 3. fire ants 4. food poisoning 5. high level math 6. paper cuts 7. black licorice 8. one-ply toilet paper 9. wet socks 10. hiccups but other than that, go nuts! 😆

Laura Morland

My heart lept when I read the words "Greetings from Waiheke Island, Aotearoa New Zealand"! (A bit like when the stewardess said "Kia Ora" to you at the airport.) I must admit, Amanda, that I miss those months (years) where you and Ash were living in Aotearoa... I felt closer to you then. Maybe because you had fewer "real people" in your life, you reached out more to us patrons? It may be as simple as that. But I've just felt -- not immediately, because you gave us some delicious posts upon your arrival -- that ever since you've returned to Woodstock, you've been partially hidden behind a veil. However, it's your life, and you can only share so many parts of yourself at any one time! I can just imagine how much time you were spending getting Ash acclimated, finding a new house (without telling us at first, because... you know), putting on shows, taking care of your father... and then you had years of snail mail to dig through. So it makes perfect sense. Nevertheless, I am so very happy for this month you're spending on Waiheke. And Ash is with his bestie, and you both have magically stepped away from the damp New York winter! P.S. I clicked on #1, but of course #3 works for me too, all the time.

Damian Masterson

I hesitate to say this, but I was initially a half-hearted ‘not so much’. Not because a poem wouldn’t be worthy of thinging, but because I wondered if I could be fair to a poem presented like that. I think I would bring unfair baggage to reading it because it was presented as a ‘thing’ level poem. That would be a me-problem, though. More importantly, having read Angel’s suggestion and your response, I moved back to my more usual position that anything should go for things. A poem as part of a reading or a crowdcast feels like a worthwhile happening and, maybe just for me, that bigger package should take care of any unfair expectations I might put on the poem itself.

Erinn

I see you Kristin and I LOVE YOU!!!!! Such a courageous and infectious Spirit you have ... embrace that, always. Wishing you all the Peace, Love, and Abundance your huge Heart can hold. 💜

Cate Whitehead

As far as I'm concerned, poetry/songwriting the same thing, really. You shouldn't feel guilty about producing poetry...it has all its own challenges, emotions, etc etc. GO FRIT, AMANDA!

Angel Rosen

That is such a good point! You do have to manage the expectations of a poem! Some of them can't lift more than thirty pounds ;) but if Amanda writes a poem that longs for a conversation, it can inspire a webcast. If she conjures a poem that is lonely and needs a friend, maybe it comes with a drawing. If the poem is born out of a grief so sharp, it makes Amanda lonely writing it, maybe she reads that one to us so we can hear it tell the truth in her voice. I want to arrive at the poem with the choice to walk around a bit.

LJ

I would like to add mushroom pie to this list, and parking meters

Angel Rosen

I also felt so close to Amanda while she was in NZ, for the same reason. I'm glad you articulated this! These visit posts make me crave a webcast poetry fest so bad. I want to hug everyone the way we were all hugging in 2020 via the internet.

Nick Tepe

My honest answer is “anything,” but just because I suspect you may worry “if they chose that do they REALLY want poetry??”, I am also digging the poetry. 😁

Erinn

Here's how I sense it ... a thing, is a thing, is a thing. Everything is, can, will be a thing ... if we plant it (seeds), it will grow (dreams) Like a seed. ((like my figurative/metaphorical take on Field of Dreams?! 😉)). If a thing is a seed, then the soil is the lyric, and the plant is the essay. All the while, the MUSE-ic is the life-sustaining fruit. The thing about things, is, without the initiative seed ... no other things may grow, be, belong, flourish, thrive. Keep planting them apple seeds Sister and I will continue to support your efforts ... the Soul of Humanity is indeed hungry for your fruit. And I for one, am grateful for your green thumb! Loving YOU!! 🙏💕✌🏼

Damian Masterson

Yeah. I don’t have any trouble imagining a poem that can arrive simply as text in a patreon post that can knock my socks off, because it’s happened before, but when it happened, it benefited from the element of surprise. I worried a bit that that same poem, arriving labeled as a thing, would be saying to the reader beforehand, “prepare to have your socks knocked off”, and that kind of windup can raise people’s defenses. But, like with your suggestion, or like you say here, if the poem is part of a larger experience, the poem itself gets a bit of a chance to lay low and pounce. Pressure to deliver can be good, too, though. Maybe if the prompt ends up being, I need to generate a thing level poem that can stand on its own, expectations be darned, then maybe that’s what Amanda’s brain will generate.

Suzanne

Amanda, dear, the whole point of the Patreon is for you to be free to be you and do what moves you. We're just privileged to be along for the ride.

Dahlia

Honestly, your poetry is profound and I think it’s fair to thing it, especially in the in between times. Why not? It’s all art. You don’t need to make art of another medium to go with the poetry. The poetry is already art. Seeing your photos of the turquoise blue water color next to the brightness and softness of the green green grass really makes me want to go back to New Zealand. Also, I want to do more Shintaido! I feel like I’ve already embodied what Manta taught in the workshop in my day to day life and it’s really cool to have that framework for side-swiping obstacles and moving past what doesn’t serve us without creating head on friction. You deserve to unwind. In my opinion, stop asking permission from people who already endorse you. Don’t fixate on the finances so often. Nobody is being tricked. They are here willingly. Just keep on engaging everyone as you have been, and they will stay on board! And yes, it’s fair game to lure people to Patreon with a catchy opening line like you did with the Frida piece on Insta. After all, you wrote something that people want to read. They can come, they can go, they can stay. Whatever, it’s fine! So much love to you, to Ash, and to NZ.

DebbieG

I voted for poetry but my answer is also Anything. The art is the art, whatever form it takes. I am glad Ash is happy, and NZ is stunning, thank you for the photos.

Woofz

Quality over quantity? (over simplified answer) Longer dosnt make it better or more deserving and shorter dosnt make it worse... you do many Art thingees, its simply "Art" Sure.. if you posted just a Limerick you may be considered to be pushing it I bit... unless it was a really good limerick

Isabel Vogt

Anything, Amanda...because you do you, and I've capped my pledge anyway 🙂

Aleisha Hobson

I just want you to be happy <3 I feel fine with whatever you give us. as long as it's not like 10 a month or something... if you are thinking of painting - what if you did a poem and a piece of art and then drew the name of a random patron and they got sent the art? I would love that being a possible thing that could happen <3

EmVT

ahhh, so many good feels 😃... a partial list: love love love the opportunity to say specifically I dig supporting the poetry! 💥 and, would probably say yes to anything you might be likely to thing. also, would definitely travel to Woodstock or even Waiheke to participate in a Shintaido benefit class! 🌊 Thoughts: re. Damian and Angel's convo / suggestions above (hi y'all, easier to say everything here!) interesting because this is where it depends on individual pledge amounts, no? most people would probably chuck a dollar in the hat for a decent haiku without a second thought if they joined this Patreon to support you, I'm guessing. will people at the 25 buck level have different expectations? the slippery question of what art is, and how much it is worth! does the highest tier set the bar for what is thingable? or the majority-tier? back in the day, I would pay 25 dollars for an entire album, but I doubt people supporting this Patreon at that level have that expectation? arguably a single lyric would be worth the price of admission--some people etch your words permanently on their body forever, I mean... all this is above my pay grade but I like the poll, the Shintaido, and the company here 😃

Rose Cooper

The thing is, not all things ARE created with equal effort and outcome in mind. Asking us what to 'charge' us for, feels unweildy in those circumstances, cos we're not all standing around tapping our foot thinking "where's my thing?". Where are you sitting on the monthly subscription thing as opposed to per thing sub? Cos that will make these questions redundant AND maybe, also, convince you once and for all that you can be trusted and so can we?

Sue-Ellen Stroum

Hey I was just excepted into the 911 victims compensation fund and for once now I realize where I got all of the metal toxicity in my body. I’ve been trying to detox in Encinitas California but now with all the increased road traffic I don’t think that’s gonna happen. I’ve been trying to find a clean spot. Do you think there’s someplace clean for me to stay there? I’ve got a bit of an income so I can pay rent but I need to find a place where I don’t need to use so much heating or air conditioning near a large body of water. It looks pretty good to me. I’d love to come out on the 19th. But I guess that’s not what you were asking. Anyway I’d love to stop by and check it out before deciding to move there. Any advice would be welcome by the way there are no medication‘s for me other than nature so being around nature is very very very important. Was also thinking of Hawaii. Was also thinking of Mexico. Was also thinking of going back to Woodstock but something about the winters there Always has depressed me. Need lots of sun. I happy happy new year

Matthew Fitt

I don't really know, but I've always just assumed that the folks who pitched in more money per month did it because they were the ones that had it to spare, not because they'd get some special, super-secret presents. From my perspective, it seems like Amanda just gives and gives and gives and gives of herself, to us, constantly. I just find it hard to imagine that the "upper tier" folks are going to complain if "all" they get, this month, is special access to a just-created piece of art from their favorite artist.

Tracey Stokes

Please do. The drawing would be Wonderful too yet ONLY if it FEELS right for YOU first. I have seen only a rare few drawings that you have done & thought it was special when it happened. I know you will find the Balance needed. Please be well.

Juliet Andrien

I capped my pledge and now give ZERO FUCKS about what specific type of art comes from this little row of my Patreon garden ASK ME HOW!!! (don't ask me, jfc look it up it's not hard)

Nicole Mack (Molly Angst)

I support you monthly and I’m here to say that you can charge for anything you like! Or nothing at all for that matter, because I support you in the ether, in the thick of it, and in all ways, shapes and form. I’m honored to know that my little contribution not only helps your art and you, but also your son, or your friends, family. So, no guilt my dear! I feel like most of your patrons feel this way, or have a very close opinion! Love love love!!!

Tony Ivanova

Honestly, I think you can charge for anything. I am pretty sure that everyone here is to support you doing you in whatever form. And if someone has financial limits - they probably have caped the charges. So.. But if you want to have a little input on how would I love you to post them - voicerambely reading them in the post would be very nice. If it is not too much bother to do. Love, Tony.

Stefanie Oepen

Your Patreon, your choice. Currently I am more into songs than poetry, but music will come and until then I can wait. My pledge is capped, I am fine with whatever you want to post.

Nora Czy

Would love to join the get together if on the island or on the mainland :) Let me know the timing/place so my friend doesn't double book a wine tasting over it. Also I voted for "anything" because I love poetry but honestly any "thing" is awesome if it comes from the heart which it always does from you.

Nora Czy

I've also been swimming in the ocean every day up North and the water is so gorgeous at the moment.

Grace Beaster

Welcome home. My whole Patreon is poetry-based, and I have no problem asking for money for it. I’m a poet! I deserve to be paid for that, as do you, and Sam Hunt - as did Sylvia Plath, Anne Sexton. Thing it, mama.

Wes Neilson

One of the newcomers to Patreon, but a long-time fan. I joined up expecting the "Things" to be poetry and lyrics, so I'm thrilled if you'll share them with/for us. Much love and support, Amanda ❤️

Gro Gunnarsen

Please I sub monthly and what ever you feel like publishing to is patrons is fine. And charging us for downtime with Ash once in a while is also fine by me. I think downtime with your kiddo is important and I would gladly pay for that without receiving anything but a short post about it and you feeling happy with your kid.

BoredDinobot

I’m here to support your art, whatever form it takes, and that includes the downtime needed to recharge so that you can continue making art. Blessed be, love.

Kačí Kočí

Yay for a get together on Waiheke! Keep us posted on the details. :) Regarding the poetry thing, I'm personally not much into poetry. Mostly because I don't understand it. But that shouldn't matter at all. I'm here to support you as an artist, not everything has to be in line with my personal tastes. I have a choice to give it a shot (and maybe learn to like poetry), or simply ignore it and look forward to the next content which will be more to my liking. From the short time I've been here on Patreon, I would say that you have the most tolerant, accepting and supportive fans who love anything you do and always look forward to more. So just go for it, we will be totally fine with it, as long as you are.

Emilly Orr

I know my original tier was per Thing, and I think I capped it, but either way, you deserve to be paid for your art. And I absolutely get how you can write an entire book on the work of art, and how artists SHOULD charge, and not charge yourself, because so often we see value in others' artistic work, and not our own.

Debz michaela

Your poems inspire my poems and so the creativity pours onwards and it resonates and moves.The length of the art is not relevant - art is not a phallus 😁 Thank fuck!

Denise Krawitz

Hard disagree. You deserve to THING a poem whether you have time for a webcast or not. I am here for any/all of it.

Damien Jones

I'd suggest keeping your poetry free -- resist the urge to commodify it . Allow it to be a free gift from your artistic soul. This is a bit of my Burning Man ethos coming thru Have you ever been, btw? I can't recall you ever mentioning it. You would experience an artistic paradise

Skyeanna Malito

I think that the vast majority of us are here to support you, no matter what you are doing, and not any one specific thing. Most of us likely know you originally from your music, but I don't think that's the only reason people stay. It's all exactly what we need.

amacker

If you were to read us your poetry, post it as an MP3, like a voice ramble, I don’t think there’s a soul here that wouldn’t say “go for it!!”

Zarich Catlin-Hallett

Art takes work. If you choose to let a poem fly free without charging every now and then (or a drawing, or a video, or whatever), that’s one thing. But everything you create takes work and IS therefore work. Charge away!

Zarich Catlin-Hallett

My genius for a good typo gave me “CD porn” instead of “poem” so this was nearly a very different message! 😁

Marie O'Reilly

How lovely it looks there! I hope you find joy and healing. Poetry, yes, the thing is, to make each line of each poem andyric you've done and continue to do SO MUCH WORK. You read, you practise, you ponder, you connect. Just like those Japanese painters who make a swirl of ink mean a million words, your words carry a million feelings. Because you've done the work lifelong so you can make that happen. Value is so arbitrary and art is never valued enough. And yes, like others I'd pay for your downtime so your working time is more fruitful. So you can live. I get 25 days paid leave per year plus Bank Holidays and weekends. Why shouldn't everyone get downtime?

Casey Wherley

I’d honestly love for you to share yourpoems on here! I would pay for anything on here even if you did not share anything for awhile to take a break. I haven’t written any poetry in too many years. Maybe this will help inspire that! Any form of artwork/life experience is all part of the process, whatever you feel inspired to do is what you should do! Let it all flow freely!

amandapalmer

America Time has been harder in some ways than New Zealand time. there are more pressures on my time and it is in many ways more difficult than i imagined. i have also had the pleasure of more old friends and less time all alone at my laptop. but …. it is complicated. i feel more like myself here in new zealand, strangely.

amandapalmer

yes BUT - it is nice to have an art gun to my head to keep making. it just needs to be a gun that never shoots me. :)

Angel Rosen

I love all the comments here, they fill my poet heart with so much love. Very validating. I love you Amanda.

Lindsey Lubow

Library lady & fiber arts person weighing in- the library lady side of me says "written works can have a money value regardless of whether prose or poem" and the fiber arts side of me points out that just because something has value doesn't mean you HAVE to charge people.

Jo VanEvery

I am not a poet. The work involved in writing a short poem seems immense to me. Finding just the right words to express something. Paying attention to rhythm and sound as well as meaning. A short poem seems even more valuable. I suspect distillation is involved. Please be careful not to presume that the skills you have spent the most time mastering are not skills at all because they now feel natural. Poetry is art.

Lindsey Lubow

PS- "don't make people pay for art. let them." I signed up for Patreon because it lets me pay you up to my capped amount monthly without having to find a specific reason to give my family and friends every time. (and so I don't have to remember as often to arrange to pay for all the Things that have caught my eye) ...If charging for this specific poem feels squicky, is there a different one for which it doesn't feel squicky? You can bundle them if it feels better. Or not. Also, another person suggested that posting it as a voice ramble or other recording might feel different to you; agree.

Julia Walder

Your poem "marathon runner" came into my life when I experienced a break-up that ended my engagement and therefore my vision of a life that will not happen now. In all the emotional turmoil of the aftermath, it was so touching to read, like a light in a dark time. I felt lifted up and carried, and understood. Thank you! For me, it´s full-heartedly YES on thinging poems, unconditionally, whether or not you add anything to it.

Kirrabelle Lovell

You know poetry used be considered the ‘higher’ form of writing, so I’m all for brining that back. Thing us a solo poem! No art, just poetry 😊

Ramona Seyfarth

Poetry is somehow the most condensed form of art. Love it. As an visual artist I crave for pictures. Would like to see a painting from you. Follow the material and your feelings.

Cassandra Bunk

"Thing" whatever the fuck you want that's why I'm a patron... So you're free to make whatever art you damn choose.

Rebecca Brisbin

I don’t think you need permission to be yourself. Life is art and art is life. I believe the work (or moreso life you’re living) is extremely important, so I throw my $3 into the hat monthly. I see your grief and your pain, I see your joy. I am not here to take, but to give in hopes that you will have the freedom to continue being whomever you need to be. Your last tour moved me. I’ve said this before, but it really did. I am not here to cut pieces from you or make demands, you are no god to me but another human doing really important work, work that I believe in…. So with that said, however you need to create, create. However you need to feel, feel. However you need to love, grieve, fly, sing, write, flow….just do it. Even if it means cocooning or sharing or what the fuck ever. You’re a human, so please continue to embrace your humanity and keep on keeping on and I’ll keep throwing my 3 dollars in the hat if that’s what it takes to help you continue on your journey, however that transpires.

shyam nunley

My pledge is capped at how much per month I can afford, so that I can stick to my budget. It's not a whole lot. I simply want you to have the room to create - I don't care WHAT you create. I just want you to keep creating and enjoy the process.

Eleanor

I think you worry about what qualifies as a “thing” way more than the vast majority of your patrons do. We are here to support you so you can make art…there will be ebbs and flows in what that means from month to month. In my mind, if you put time and effort in to create something, it is thing-worthy.

Joelle trousdale

Anything Amanda. The cap is there so we can support you within our budgets while you create ANY art your soul allows.

Brook Tayla

I agree with Eleanor - you worry about it more than we do. My personal opinion is that all artists need space and time so I'd be happy with a month of no thing and pay you for inspiration time x x

Michael Murphy

Question: If the poem has a defined meter, and you read the poem aloud, does this not count as a new song?

EmVT

hiya Rose! 😃 the last I heard from a recent patreon post is that Amanda is leaning toward keeping the current structure because the capping simulates monthly anyway, and she likes the motivation of per thing, to make art, to pay monthly bills. I might be wrong about that and am happy to be corrected. It’s an interesting hybrid, if it was purely per thing, possibly A might skip a month here and there, in line with a more traditional definition of what a thing is (i.e. a podcast, album, song), closer to a kickstarter. Since her biz needs to pay monthly bills due to the rest of the world being on a monthly model, this means she has to press the patreon button monthly. Since art does not necessarily happen on a schedule, this conundrum comes up—the ongoing question and pulse-taking of what the current roster of patrons feels is okay in months where there may not be a more obvious traditional thing. As you point out, and a lot of the comments say, I think most people just want A to be happy, and for her to do her art. Whereas she needs to take a pulse as an important part of her (monthly) biz process sometimes, to help her ensure accountability. I think this patreon is where the twain (art and biz) shall, in fact, meet 🙂

Victoria Taylor

Poems are simply song lyrics without music, and the things that stay with us the longest!

Wendy S. Katz

Poems are essays distilled down to the essential

Angel Rosen

@ Denise, yess. poem does not equal webcast. but poem can have a plus one if it wants :)

Laura Morland

Interesting you say that, Amanda, because I, strangely, feel more like myself here in France. Even though every time I open my mouth, I mark myself as an "étrangère," something about France fits me, or enables me to be more myself. Paradoxical, right? I'll mention this because someone on this thread made the suggestion for you: we (hubby, Siamese cat, and I) now spend half the year in France, and half in the U.S. We always arrive here just before Christmas, which is a wonderful time to "rentrer." I don't know if you could work out your schedule to spend good chunks of every year in NZ -- and it would be hard once Ash's schooling becomes more important -- but I'll echo the suggestion anyway.

Drag Queen Jesus

I would be sad because I don't feel I could afford to pay for your poetry easily BUT I have NO ethical qualms with you asking, or demanding, to be paid for it. I think you're even asking and wrestling with your own conscious is part of "the work" you do to stay connected to your values and self. That's were all the good shit comes from anyways so who would want to get separated from that? I would also say maybe this isn't something to take too seriously? I don't understand that line for myself. It often all feels so serious and sometimes not at all. Maybe I'm just projecting. I was SO happy to so the smiles on Ash and his friend. Glad you're getting some well-earned rest. I want that. I don't remember the last time I felt I could rest. Anyways. I'm eager to touch base with you sometime about trying to get service dogs to disabled trans folks and make sure they can have them where they need them most - in psych wards. Talk to you soon hopefully. "Yes." "Love." "Weird."

Pucci Dellanno

I love the idea of seeing some (more) of your artwork with the poetry, Amanda. happy new year, everyone.

Ronald Canepa

Amanda: we're here to support you. And there's mutual trust in both directions. If a poem feels to you as though it's a Thing-able level of quality and content and purpose, Thing It. (And don't agonize over "Is-it-Thingable???" You'll know). Hugs.

Kris May

What it comes down to for me is this: You are the artist, and I am here to support you. While I might miss out on some poems due to budgetary constraints, that's really OK (I mean, I'd be sad for a minute, but I'll deal with it). You do you. If you feel like charging for poetry, I think it's completely ethical to do so, and I trust you.

Marina Peneva

I just have a £1 one thing per month cap, but honestly I don't really care if you thing anything at all - I'd be happy to pay the £12 a year just to support you and to get your emails when you write them. I wonder if this is more of a question for the "uncapped"? I guess I should go and read through all the comments :)

Wordsmith Lynn

Definitely okay with you thinging the poetry. And if you want to add artwork and turn the poems into a whole book, that would be cool too.

Joe Redston

I trust you, and I believe in you. Do whatever feels right. You did a webinar last year with a writer [whose name escapes me atm], and at one point you basically screamed at us "It's allllll BS! You can do what you want!" [I seem to remember the other lady being quite shocked 🤣] I needed to hear that then [it made my 'best quotes of 2022 list'] - and I offer it back to you, now, with love. 🙏

Bob

Amanda - this is your call. You know how much (time, money, thought) you spend on your art. For a song, you either write or pick a song, work on the instrumentation, and record (among some many other things). Essays, podcasts, etc. all require thought and time and expense. Some poems do as well. If something just pops into your head and you write it down in one afternoon, patronage might not be appropriate... or it might be so good that we want to pay to read it or hear you read it. But there are many a poem that takes forever to write, edit, and final capture on the page. Worth it? It's your art... you tell us. (But of course, I always want more music!)

Brian Fitzgerald

There have been times and places in history when and where what you do would have been showered with gifts without having to ask. My best hope for this patreon is that we can be that tribe for you. "Salvage" is as much a work of art as anything you've done. It moved me with its craft as much as anything you've done. It may never find a producer or distributor or a record deal or end up a soundtrack on a film, but it's art and it's holy and its creator should be housed and fed and given whatever she needs to keep creating. Because she's feeding all of us.

Wendy Oakden

I would have clicked "Anything", but I picked "Poetry" because I find your poetry really speaks to me. I didn't used to enjoy poetry, but maybe because I have the context for what you're writing? I don't always have time for a big long essay, or headphones to listen to a song, so you putting effort in to give me this amazing little bite of text, that says a bunch of things it would take paragraphs to cover...that's art, and sometimes I prefer it to the longer stuff.

Tara Goddard

My Dad loves to say "If you want me to talk for 5 minutes, give me a week to prepare. If you want me to talk for an hour, I can start right now." I feel like a lot of writing is like that - it is HARD to write poetry, and hard to write short pieces, much more so than rambling long blogs sometimes, right (not that those aren't work worth charging for, too!). So this idea that quantity = value is such a bullshit western idea. Let's blow it up.

Coila

Seriously. That's why Charles Dickens' stuff is so damn wordy. Paid by the word! And my band teacher's husband was getting paid to re arrange a piece of music. Paid by the measure, so he changed it from 4-4 to 2-4! 😂 Same song, twice as many measures.

Cyn

I always want to red pencil Dickens when I read it :)

Amanda Hunt

I vote for Sunday on Waiheke! Also, what time do you expect the show to finish? (Will it be in time to make the last ferry?) xx

Midge

Thing all the art! We can limit our monthly budget to what we can afford so there is no financial issue for us x Poetry is definitely art. Ask a Vogon 🤪

Tammy Meier

I love a voice ramble. If your looking for something to Thing

Lynda Joy Gerry

Would love to come to the lunch in Waiheke!!! I'm over the moon just imagining it!!! <3

Lynda Joy Gerry

In the same boat, as we're going back to Auckland that night after the show. Happy to support one another.

Martha Mountain

I love love love poetry. It can be SO hard to write - distilling down to the essence is hard work! and for me, right now, short form is sometimes all i can take in. You Thing whatever you are working on I'm good.

Cal Dixon

“I daresay, opening the poetry faucet with abandon may also prime the pump for the lyric firehose.” -if poetry gets us a DD album faster, I’m all for it!

TMR Bennett

Immediately as a poet I feel compelled to say that poetry is always worthy of merit and consideration, monetary consideration included. Beyond that, I am firmly of the opinion that we are here to be a part of your generous decision to share your journey with us. I do not feel any impetus to dictate the terms.

MissBoan

I recently typeset a book of poetry for a friend, she's definitely charging for it - as I said to her, you're putting beauty into the world, people respect and admire that, and are happy to give back.

Ofel Epicorus

Yay! Let's all be on the same literal boat! Also, if anyone is heading back to Sandringham or surrounding areas and want to share an Uber, let me know.

Fanny von B

The thing with poetry is it can be hours, days, years worth of thought. The amount of words is not comparable to what was poured into it. I often feel poetry is like an edit, it says what it needs to with less, and that, as you know, is not easy! ❤️

Mary Alice Fraughton

Currently forcing myself to apply for a grant to write a book. If I can ask strangers for money to buy myself peanut butter and bread while I sit around in sweatpants and don't speak to anyone for three months, you can ask this group of people who have gone out of our way to give you our money for your art...for money for your art. Right? Right. You've got this. We want to support you. Let us. P.S. I live up by the Arctic Circle and would not trade my snowy mountains for those gorgeous beaches, but...it's nice to look at them anyhow!

Lara Howe (Spiralphile)

Amanda, If you just need to be right now...walk, think, yoga, eat, laugh, scream, swim, write, sit...please just do it. I'd rather you spend time with Ash and breathe all of Waiheke and Aotearoa in and find what you need, than worry about making a thing. Sending big hugs and much love, from the land of the Boonwurrung people. xo (Spiralphile)

Catherine Hannah

I will support you here or there I will suppirt you anywhere I will support you making poetry Even if it ain't arterial. So, make it, do it, anyhow! Thing it, swing it, rest your brow. (with abjectest apologies to Theodore)

Lisa Howe

I don’t think Picasso felt weird about charging for his ceramics just because he had been mostly a painter and collagist before. You are an artist. You make art of all kinds. We support you in your art making, whatever it is. You have always charged for Things, whatever they are. You never promised specific things like songs or essays. Even if I were only here for your music (which I am not), I would still want to support whatever creative directions you’d want to move in because I firmly believe everything feeds everything and your poems will feed your songwriting. As far as I’m concerned, I’m interested to see whatever you make. If one thing turns out not to be my cup of tea, I’m still glad to support because it came from you. And you are an artist I am joyful to support for as long as I can. 🌸 That said, I am also happy to support you in months where you may not have a creative Thing to release. I am supporting the artist, not subscribing to a monthly “box” of creative product(s). Others may feel differently but that is how I have felt from day 1.

Aimée Pochinco

Alas, the timing was not meant to be. I'm flying into Aotearoa on Thursday night but am only in Auckland on Friday for my birthday before moving on to other cities. I'd have love to be there as I've loved your posts showcasing the beauty around Waiheke. Have a lovely show. I hope that your return to the Island brings all of what you seek (well... Maybe not the sunburn.)

Lisa Howe

That last paragraph is so beautiful. And so true. I want to put it up on my wall to look at every day.

KJ Hawkwood

Absolutely this. The artist - whatever they are doing visibly or invisibly, whether I understand it or not, whether I like it or not. Always. <3

KJ Hawkwood

Thank you Lisa! It just sort of came out and then I sat there and stared at it and thought, "...huh. I don't know if I understood that before." Which is one of my favorite experiences of writing, I just never know when it's going to turn up. :-D

Wolfgang Englbrecht

You could just go on a six month vacation and I wouldn't mind you charging for it. In a world with so many high stress jobs (including mine), I find it the most wonderful thing to be able to give each other a break once in a while.

Josie Wall

Could you release the poems you thing in a pretty format? Even if that's just nicely laid out on a page that can be downloaded for us to print and stick on the wall? Or a video of a reading? Or a few gathered into an ebook occasionally, maybe with art commissioned for the cover?

Amanda Hunt

Any Aucklanders - I can give you a lift to the North Shore if you like - let’s chat on Sunday

Amber Steele

Poetry would arrive in my busy inbox and be easy to fit into my toddler’s plans for my attention 🤪! I love it!

Tamara

You are the artist! Please make poetry. PS, what magic hath the algorithm wrought, Amanda ... My daughter is listening to your music, according to my family Amazon music subscription. It's the circle of liiiiiife.... 😭