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100Rainy

I appreciate Carson's commitment to the hair flip on nearly every intro

Sanji Joestar

'' I can't turn down a request from a handsome man " Even Robin knows Jinbe is HIM!

JoyBoy

There are many reasons as to why Hody isn’t a popular villain, but ultimately Imo he’s just a very boring villain despite maybe being a neat concept on paper. Villain’s can make or break arcs, and although it could be argued that Hody didn’t break this arc he certainly didn’t make it.

Sanji Joestar

I can tell you guys are cooking when I get chills listening to the discussion 😭🔥

Martin Hagen

time to find another milestone so we can run back BALDcast

100Rainy

Robin got some good taste ngl, first Franky and now Jinbe? Some top tier men low key.

Sanji Joestar

Been waiting for this one Now you get why that one anime only flashback was kinda controversial since it goes against the crux of Hody's character. Describing him a 'one dimensional being in a three dimensional space' is actually a perfect analogy. Ppl often say he wouldn't work as a vilain for another arc, but that's kinda his strength. He's perfectly fit for what this arc is about and its messaging. Which is why even if it could have been cool to have Arlong it would have been completely different on so many points.

Md Iqbal Afiq

At first Hordy having no reason to hate humans may sound like bad writing, but the more I listen to people in real life, the more Hordy sounds like a lot of people today ! They have hatred for the past they didn't experience to hate people who look different because of stories they heard growing up

Sanji Joestar

!!! What sounds like cartoonish evil being so close to reality is something many have a hard time realizing I don't blame them because it's a terrifying thought, but a very real situation

Javier

I always thought of Hordy being born of his environment was a reference to how racism can have a bad effect on the future generation. Even though they never had a bad experience themselves with them, they just listen to what they hear around and believe in it and turned into monsters themselves.

Degenerick

hordy jones makes so much sense now looking at all of america’s antics going on rn. its almost as accurate as south park’s prodies

hussam abdelalim

It is here when I think of the queen defending the dickhead, and said "not in front of the children", and realised she was afraid of a hordy watching.

100Rainy

Bro, people hated this reveal for Hody back when it dropped. I won't say they're wrong for disliking it or that they just "don't get it", but as you say there's ironically some purpose in how meaningless Hody really is. Hody is the manifestation of what Fisher Tiger and Otohime feared the most in their final moments, the total rejection of progress and inheritance of hatred. Continuing on for long enough that even current generations have no real first hand basis for their extreme prejudices. Festering grudges from histories long passed that will never allow the advancement of progress because this hatred has completely become their whole pride and identity. Fishmen and Merfolk are still treated very unfairly in their world today, so it's not like there's absolutely nothing to hate about humans. But Hody doesn't even bother taking those examples to justify his ambitions. He doesn't want peace or even justice, he simply wants nothing less than the total eradication of the human race by any means necessary.

hussam abdelalim

Please note Robin can grow any body part on any surface, this looks like the progression of that, and as for the damage thing, I think she is just cancelling the ability just before she gets hit, you like chopper using transforming quickly to dodge attack, i honestly think she is just chilling somewhere else reading while sending the clone in

Christian MH

Hody is generational hate, is a generation that grew up with the concept that all humans are bad and everyone that helps them is bad by association. Is what you get when you start to generalize that ALL of X group are bad and you demonize them as a whole. Personally I think is a neat concept as a villain (specially now that you have some extremists calling other people a "virus" cof cof) tho I do understand if people think he is boring because yes, Hody as a person is as bare as you can get but ey this is mostly an arc to show how the crew grew these years so they are mostly fodder for them.

Daemedeor

Hody is meant to embody what fisher tiger was talking about. That the hatred they harbored passed down onto the children whether good or not. That hody didn’t even need to be directly impacted to feel like he was wronged. But because he doesn’t have real convictions, he needed the drugs to bolster his powerlessness. So he is meant to be one dimensional because that’s all he has. Is his hatred and anger. There’s nothing else to his cause. Of course it’s fine to not like it because like his own convictions, it’s pretty weak. :) that’s kinda the point and why it doesn’t feel as powerful of an arc. Not helped by like the myriad of pacing issues during this fight.

ChocoBoshi

The way I look at the idea of Hordy being a "flat" villain is like this. I think that when people talk about a good villain, they're talking about them as an individual. I think there are a few ways we can appreciate villains, for people like Enel, Crocodile or Lucci they present a barrier for Luffy in the sense that their ability to destroy either people or things is immense and poses an obstacle in and of itself, essentially they are strong fighters that don't let us do what we want. Then there are other characters who you are able to build up a personal grudge against because of the actions they take in the story, people like Bellamy, Kuro or Don Krieg would be good examples of this. There's also a mixture of the two of course. However, Hordy isn't really like that, like Fukaboshi says, Hordy is "empty" so as an individual there just isn't much there to analyze. I think the point of all of this talk about him in this episode is to show that Hordy himself isn't really the villain here, he's just the personification of a concept which has plagued the Fishman for hundreds of years.

Coqnbauz

Hatred for the sake of hatred

SomeoneElse

Amazing explanation, truly.

klairvoyage

5:18 also very reminiscent of the opening scene to Dune Pt.2 lol Can't believe Denis Villeneuve is out here stealing Oda/Toei's whole flow smh

Artemis

Very good observations Carson. I am thrilled that you understand the deeper layers to Hordy as a character and the themes that are presented here. According to Eiichiro Oda (2012), Hordy Jones was created to highlight the baseless racism in One Piece and the actual world. Hordy Jones's character proves that those blinded by racism cannot think rationally, and they can hurt everyone around them. Maybe it is hard for little kids to understand, but I'm just happy if only they will understand it when they grow older.

Oussama Essamadi

Arlong at least experienced the cruelty of humans firsthand, giving him a reason—though extreme—for his hatred. But Hordy Jones never even left Fish-Man Island, never faced enslavement, and yet he inherited a blind hatred passed down through generations. Unlike Jinbei, who lived through similar hardships yet chose empathy, Hordy's resentment came purely from prejudice, with no real foundation. The terrifying realism behind Hordy is exactly this: he mirrors how prejudice can spread, even without personal experiences. He shows us how easily hatred can pass from one generation to the next, fueled by fear and ignorance. Hordy’s reliance on drugs further reveals his emptiness, symbolizing how real-world hatred often relies on artificial strength—propaganda, lies, or substances—to hide its fragility. Hordy isn’t frightening because he's powerful; he's frightening because he's relatable. He reminds us that hate isn't always born from personal tragedy—it can simply grow unnoticed, silently poisoning hearts. Recognizing this can change lives by teaching us to confront hatred before it takes root. Oh, and Robin? she is too creepily cool.

Oussama Essamadi

Hordy might feel boring, but that's kind of the point. He represents hate that doesn't need a tragic backstory—just blind prejudice passed down over generations. He's scary precisely because he's realistic: a villain whose emptiness and simple hatred mirror real-world issues we often overlook.

Artemis

This arc changed my worldview a lot back then. I think it was the time when I started to properly think about the themes One Piece wanted to convey.

cyberc33

LOL didn't expect to see a certain character from the cover stories appear in this episode

Gogul Prasad

Haha did you guys realise Wadatsumi is a blowfish?

Matthew Gilroy

In an interview, Oda explained that the theme of discrimination that Fish-Men experienced from humans and the hatred that grew from it might not make sense to the average Shōnen Jump reader. However, points out that young readers will start to recognize the heavy subject material laced through his series as they grow up. As they said in the episode, Hody is a product of his environment. An environment where both culture and history are characterised by plight, grudges, and discrimination. This is how baseless racism is created. This is how no regard for one's own life is created (represented here through Hody taking the drugs). Hody's character represents the many individuals around the real world living in similar environments that never personally experienced intense racism, but yet hold these grudges - it's a lifestyle. Anyone that doesn't think this is deep and insightful writing from Oda unfortunately just didn't get the point. Much like Skypeia, Fishman Island is an arc that requires deep analysis and critical thinking. This is what One Piece is about.

StrawHatX

You guys can now watch the opening for the Fishman Island remake without spoilers

Matthew Gilroy

This is very similar to Attack on Titan when I think about it. The grudge against the Paradis "Devils". The Eldians living in the Marleyan Internment Zone. Reiner's mother despising the Island Devils. These "Devils" didn't even know she existed, or anyone else from the outside world, her whole life. Yet in that environment, she was brainwashed to hate them. She kept hearing they were evil. Much like Hody kept hearing that humans were evil from the moment he was born. He was brainwashed. I remember in a specific episode Reiner recounts his time on the island to his family. Trying so hard to make it seem like Devils, but in reality they were comrades. The effect an environment can have on someone is huge. Reiner, living in two different environments, both trying so hard to influence his identity, his thoughts, his feelings, became mad. Almost took his own life. Let's give Oda some credit here. This is very nuanced stuff.

DaniP

One thing I really like about arlong especially looking back is how much he cared for his fellow fishman. Like even when octopus guy accidentally let Zoro in, arlong accepted his apology, when he learned ussop beat his friend, he was angry and asked where he was. Throughout namis storyline it’s really evident how much he cared for his own people, but seeing hordy bastardize fisher tiger and arlongs messaging to just become what they hate is horrible, guy just grew up taking the worst parts of all propaganda and believes because he found some drugs he’s “the chosen one”. You’re right, most people hate hordy, but his place in the storyline no one really argues against, he’s a wake up call for the fishmen. Not surprising though, because as extreme as arlong was, he failed, now hordy thinks it’s his place to take it even further . “If you don’t agree with me you’re an enemy” mindset full of bigotry.

Matthew Gilroy

If only Eldians had people like that in the Marleyan Internment Zone. I keep on comparing to AOT. It's so interesting

Matthew Gilroy

That aspect of the disregard for life seen through 1. Hody disregarding his own life through taking the drugs and 2. Hody disregarding all life through wanting to destroy the island that will kill both human and fishman is so interesting. It once again highlights the huge effect an environment can have on an individual. Another connection to AOT I thought of. The environment where history and culture is characterised by grudges, resentment, and hate. Both Hody and Zeke lived in these. And similar to Hody, Zeke essentially constructed a plan that was "anti-life" - the Euthanasia Plan. A complete disregard and devalue of life. Luckily Armin awoke Zeke from his brainwashing and showed him the value of life - the simple things one experiences is the true value of life

StrawHatX

I don't think it's the attack you're thinking of but maybe they changed it a little for the opening

millecamps

hordy represent everything that otohime and Fishertiger tried to avoid, not only his ideal, but how he came to be, he is a children who learned to hate human from the adult around him. hordy is what otohime and fishertiger were scared would happen to the children if fishman island were to not let go of their hatred for the human

millecamps

i like the idea that robin is in the Sunny sitting by the aquarium with a book and a cup of tea that sanji made before the fight started

Ty

I think it may be best as an after arc kind of thing

Cheddah Slammer

I love the message, but for most people It doesn't work because Hody is weak compared Luffy and our Crew. I first watched this with my friends, and they completely didn't like it just because they wanted Hody off the screen.

Mister Kap

I don’t interpret Hordy’s “true identity” as being some sort of metaphysical spirit or anything. We did see Hordy and his friends as children, after all. I think it just means that, in contrast to most the rest of fishman island, who have had direct bad experiences with humans, Hordy has had no such experiences. His hatred stems purely from how he grew up surrounded by other people who hated humans. Hatred not rooted in any sort of underlying source, but just an emotion he was taught to feel. And when he saw fishman island start to move towards accepting humans in the near future, his identity was put in jeopardy, because he has no place in this new potential society as he existed. So to preserve his place and his ideology, he had to take action himself. Not for any grand reason or righteous purpose, but just because he was a racist man desperately holding onto his racist beliefs and did not want to, or could not, give them up.

Fabulous

they dragged it out a full episode just to say Hordy is a psychopatch as if it wasn’t obvious.

Veritas

Actually, when I first watched this a decade ago, the "reveal" actually gave me chills on the spot, and in the scary way. Because Hordy willing to kill his own side without logic and outright lacked anything I could sympathize with, I was terrified personally. Unlike almost every other antagonist in One Piece, there was not much justifiable in his actions on a psychological level. Other pirates are greedy, power-hungry, and ambitious. Despots are also those things with god-complexes. So I wasn't as terrified of Arlong, Crocodile, Enel, Spandam, or Moria because I relate to the fact that all of us also want at least some wealth, fame, or power; they were just drunk on it. Even without tragic backstories or heroic mission to make me feel bad for them, they were still good as villains. So I'm glad so many of us today understand the point of Hordy's emptiness. It is 100% intentional in my view. Being racist without personal reason is not something that deserves a tragic backstory we can fawn over. The fishmen who suffered firsthand earned their hatred, but Hordy is stuck secondhand-hating like an addiction. And that's when it clicked: racism as an identity is just a drug like energy steroids. It makes him feel good. It's hard to quit. It gives fake power. That genius Oda knew what he was doing by making him a junkie.

Capitano

I think you're overthinking the Robin thing, lol. I don't think she's teleporting, she just can sprout a whole clone of herself now. Hammond attacked the clone with the net, the clone went 'poof', Robin sprouted a new clone on Hammond's body (like she usually does with arms) and then did the Double Clutch attack. No teleporting or switching places involved in that explanation.

Veritas

All true, but hypothetically can Robin's clone become her real body if her original body gets attacked? Probably not but I wonder

Sanji Joestar

💯💯💯🔥Described it perfectly

Sanji Joestar

Hody being weak is quite literally the point lol

ChocoBoshi

@Veritas I read that with L's theme playing in my head, haha

Mister Kap

Yea I didn’t see it as she switched bodies. The first body that vanished was a clone in the first place.

Cheddah Slammer

Yeah I know. But I notice many people don't care if you have a message but your weak.

Shioplet

Yes!! I was expecting it from what was shown but when Fukaboshi revealed it.. It gave me chills the first time. I was suddenly hit with the full circle realization of what you mentioned.

testlunch

I think some of the comments, while I agree to an extent, do seem to take it a little far. I wouldn’t say Hordy had “no reason” for his hatred. The things the humans did to the fishmen were still very real, even if he never experienced them himself. Hordy is a product of the actions of evil humans more than he is a product of the fishmen not being able to simply give up their hatred for being mistreated. I really enjoy him as a villain for this arc.