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Lock V2 vs Lock Picking Lawyer! (Patreon)

Published:
2021-06-01 14:12:47
Edited:
2021-06-01 14:13:24
Imported:
2026-06

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... or is it? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Yesterday I finally posted my video on unpickable lock V2. I think it was worth the wait because the Lock Picking Lawyer simultaneously posted his extremely interesting video trying to find exploits in both locks. I had a lot of fun watching both videos as a double feature, and I hope you all did as well. With any luck this will bring an end to the absolute deluge of messages I get about sending my lock to him....

This was a fun collab and I'm really happy that people seem to be enjoying it for what it is - two people with totally different skillsets working together to make and test something sweet. There is of course some friendly competition, but declaring a winner wasn't "the point".  

*spoilers* I'm happy how this turned out. The core mechanism appears to be sound and LPL used his expertise to find other vulnerabilities that should be pretty straightforward fix for a really strong V3.  Also, I'm so glad I put the doorbell on this thing, that was hilarious. 

I'm going to do a commentary video on my second channel sharing my thoughts / reactions to his video, similar to my commentary video on my lock. I'm going to wait a couple of weeks to be sure I don't hurt LPL's video, but it should be fun. 

I had sent a little envelope over with the lock in case LPL got through, though with so much going on in the push to get the videos out he forgot to open it. Here's what was inside:

Thanks for all the support to make silly projects like this possible!

- Shane

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Comments

Joel

Enjoyed watching LPL with your locks, especially V2! Can’t wait for V3. 😊 I hope things like the Lishi pick and your locks change how the security industry starts to think about creating locks. I’d love much stronger and secure commercial locks to come out of this sort of thing.

Adhyyan Sekhsaria

Would be fun to see more colabs. What about one with Mr. Beast. I imagine that would be fun

Henric Moberg

This was a lot of fun and interesting to watch, well done! When he said that “this is a brilliant design but it is clear that Shane has limited experience with lock design” it kinda hit home didn’t it? :)

Andrew B

I'd call it a smashing success. If you fixed the vulnerabilities he identified, it might truly be unpickable.

Juksie

It was a ton of fun Shane. Thanks for putting the whole things together.

stuffmadehere

haha yeah, he saw right through me. He was telling me that it was my blessing and curse. Because I am coming in clean it allowed me to come up with something unique, but I also missed some pretty obvious stuff. But that's why I have LPL :)

Wayne Uroda

I know technical questions are probably bugging you by now, but I keep wondering if you could have used a real Schlage core for where you put in the key - saves you having to cut the keyway etc? Can you also use a regular core (with say, a key soldered into it) for the top cylinder/core? Or is it just too much cheating ;)

Wayne Uroda

Also, amazing work as always and congratulations on the trending! As an engineer who wants all the boring details, I am looking forward to more commentaries 😁

stuffmadehere

I looked into using a stock core for both lock V1 and lock V2 but I couldn't make them work. They have too many custom features on them. I know these won't make a lot of sense but I'll list them out anyway (things I couldn't get / fit into a standard core) Bottom Core: - Spring retained large pins - Clearance for upper pin clearance - Connection point for cams / tailpiece - Bearing surfaces front / back Top core: - Connection point for Torsion lever - Pocket / mount for core return spring - Retaining feature to hold in pocket

Patrick Caulfield

SO MUCH ENERGY! Have you considered a brass plate with fingers as a spring replacement for the bottom core?

Wayne Uroda

Cool, no I did think it was probably because you needed all the custom stuff, next time I’m going to assume you already thought of that 😂

stuffmadehere

Not necessarily a great assumption :P I don't think of most of the things lol

stuffmadehere

That's what I originally wanted to do - if you watch the commentary stream I talk about how I put off making those springs because I thought I had an easy solution (which was some kind of finger springs). They ended up not working because I needed them to have more travel than I could get in the space that I had