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Gaslighting Liam - Rain

Recommended: Reread chapter 9 before reading chapter 18.

All characters are 18+ and this is all fiction.

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Gaslighting Liam - Chapter 18 (Rain)

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Eryndor

Oh no. This chapter, ESPECIALLY the ending, is unbelievably, cinematically, painstakingly beautiful. I have so many thoughts, but I am crashing tf OUT over this currently. Sweet baby Liam ;_; oh NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! "It looked so beautiful." .... I may comment further once I compose myself, but for now I will just say: Ouch. Fucking. Ouch. In the worst way. In the best way. 💔.

Marcio Dasb

anxiously awaiting you guys’ analysis fr

Tony

OMG! This chapter honestly left me exhausted for Liam. Watching him spiral like this is brutal, and the emotional weight just keeps building. The way he’s fighting with himself—trying to prove things to himself, trying to numb everything- is painful to watch. And that ending with Noah… I was honestly shocked. After Liam opens up like that, the cruelty in what Noah says is almost unbelievable. It makes you realize just how broken Noah might be as a person, because someone who can respond like that to vulnerability clearly has some serious damage of his own. I’m honestly still processing it, and I’m really curious what everyone else thinks, because that moment hit hard.

Tony

The thing that kept hitting me psychologically is how much Liam seems to be fighting himself more than anyone else. It almost feels like his brain is trying to split things into two worlds: the version of himself he thinks he’s supposed to be, and the version that keeps reacting to Noah whether he wants to or not. That kind of internal tug-of-war can make people do some pretty irrational things just to quiet the noise in their own head. When someone gets that deep into confusion, they start chasing anything that might prove one side of the argument right. Watching Liam bounce between denial, curiosity, shame, and attraction feels like that exact kind of psychological loop. It’s like he’s trying to solve a problem inside himself that he doesn’t even fully understand yet.

Tony

And Lucas, Liam isn’t just confused about his sexuality. He’s becoming psychologically dependent on Noah’s reactions to define who he is. That’s why the final moments feel so brutal (I was in complete shock). When someone who has become your internal reference point suddenly acts cold or dismissive, it doesn’t just hurt; it destabilizes your entire sense of yourself. And this Chapter shows Liam getting very close to that breaking point.

Eryndor

I am still actively coming down from my crash out, but I was just specifically thinking about their long-overdue interaction and how telling it was - all the build up that led to the climax of 16 kind of... comes full circle here, sadly. Some of the verbiage in 16, Claire saying "[Noah] doesn't strike me as the type who likes being /seen/" and Liam saying here, Noah is the only one that makes HIM feel seen - oof. And in 16 as well, especially after their cute date, and all the protective boyfriend moments between them references both here and in 16 (the mugging, Connor, the birthday party, the protein bar, etc) it is so VERY clear to everyone ?but? Noah how much he cares for Liam and has developed unspoken deep feelings for him. However, when he learns Liam knows about his dad (16) , his knee-jerk reaction was essentially "So all this was fake for you?" [doing this out of pity?] even if HE doesn't quite realize how deep his feelings ran [run] at the time: "This whole time you've been letting me pretend?" It would appear that's what he has been doing. Zero'ing in on Ashley to do his best to "get over" Liam. And him blowing up at Liam at the end - yes Noah can be a heinous horrendous asshole, but I really feel like Noah ripping into him is less about hurting Liam to be cruel for fun, but more to make him feel the pain he felt (even though he'll deny it). I think it's especially solidified when Noah says "Go play pretend somewhere else." Noah wasn't pretending. He thinks Liam was. and THAT probably fucked with Noah the most - even after Liam's spiel, at least in that moment... maybe Noah will ruminate on it... maybe he chased after him? ;_; we'll see....

Mike

Eryndor, this is how I’ve been feeling about Noah ever since the mugging. Sure, what he said to Liam was cruel and sickeningly hurtful, but at that moment all I read was a boy lashing out because he’s so confused and angry at himself for feeling the way he does. Or being as confused as he is about his feelings. Liam, on the other hand, keeps steadily moving forward. Yeah, it’s messy, but he’s making internal progress. Noah, on the other hand, is flailing. I honestly think how Liam handled himself at the end was perfect for the situation he found himself in. No begging, no pleading, no taking the proverbial punches endlessly Just walking away in utter shock/disbelief/sadness was all that was needed. I’m not sure it’s Noah running after him, but I am sure that little episode had an effect on Noah.

Josh

Hmmm. I don’t know how I feel about this one. Irritated? Annoyed? Like I wish I was there so I could just grab Liam by the scruff of the neck, drag him home for keeps, and be done with it? Since I’m not there, I’d say just hop to Dylan, but Dylan‘s too nice. Dylan has the dick and the size right, but he’s too boring. Personally, as I was reading the chapter I kept thinking, “Liam has no business getting fucked by other guys without permission.” He is owned fucking property. The problem is that his landlord is totally MIA and appears to have lost his fucking mind. He’s quickly becoming the kind of guy who doesn’t deserve Liam. Noah needs to grow up, start taking his responsibilities seriously, and stop acting like such a fucking pussy. And for god’s sake, READ CLAIRE’S FUCKING TEXTS! Jesus! 😏

Mike

And I’m super curious about Dylan not cumming with Liam. There’s got to be something to that…

Tony

Mike, I think you might be onto something there. Sometimes when someone reacts that strongly it feels less like they’re attacking the other person and more like they’re reacting to something going on inside themselves that they can’t sort out yet. What stood out to me was how Liam handled the moment. For once he didn’t try to keep the whole situation together or explain himself. He just stepped away from it. That felt like a quiet shift for him. I have a feeling that moment is going to sit with Noah a lot longer than Liam realizes.

Josh

Well, I just took that to mean there wasn’t really a way for Dylan to come. Liam didn’t even bounce on his dick once. He blew his own load the second he bottomed out on entry. Though that doesn’t explain why Dylan didn’t just fuck him afterwards anyway, until he did come. I mean, just because a bottom boy blows his load doesn’t mean his work is finished. 😏

Eryndor

Bro literally, lowkey I was kinda hope the blur at the end winds up being Claire LOL hunting his ass down 😭

Tony

Dude, there are so many twists and turns! Lucas is Gaslighting us... LOL

Eryndor

I agree so much! I think it's hinted as well given the, what I strongly consider to be, the Valentine's special callback: "Gravity? Are you fucking high?" Like the only time we've been "let in" a little to Noah's concept of love or lack-thereof was during the special, when he was high. Therefore, Liam must be high. Or insane. Or both! Yes, Liam's reaction really gutted me :( it's like when you receive news or a circumstance so devastating everything goes quiet, or the most insane case of tinnitus - it's like your nervous system disassociates entirely and you just are. That's why the light portion stuck with me so hard, it's so fucking accurate. BLESSS HIMMMMM ;_; And yes, although I don't know if it was entirely intentional of Liam to "walk away" barring the severe emotional episode he was experiencing; but I do think, even subconsciously, he took his power back in that moment, even if unintentional. Especially after telling Noah to stfu and listen for once, like he stood up for himself/his feelings/their relationship in that moment

Mike

At this point Noah’s anger seems heavily misplaced. I have to keep reminding myself of the whole reason for this “breakup.” Liam didn’t actually do anything wrong or malicious. Liam’s only crime was trying to get closer. A big fear is that this story wraps with Noah realizing he was his own worst enemy. Thankfully we have so much time for him to emotionally balance himself a bit. This chapter brought back my thoughts on comparisons of Chapter Two (The Neil Simon one) The general arc of Liam and Noah’s relationship seems clear enough, but the journey and even the outcome are still so up in the air.

Damien

Man this might have been my favourite chapter so far holy shit. I didn't think it was possible just a few chapters ago but I'm really starting to like Connor. His pathetic brand of weird naggy neediness is so good. Having him get so lost in the sauce when it comes to Liam is a nice contrast to Noah's detached style of fucking and even Dylans confident nurturing vibe. Also holy shit was that sex scene in the toilet the hottest shit I've read in a while. Something about it was so visceral and horny and desperate that scratched just the right itch. Maybe my favourite in the series. (Between this, Liams first BJ or the threesome bait n'switch) Also side note is Claire the only one in this series to have touched Liam's dick? This break from Noah has been a nice way to see that Liam actually is a capable individual, with how casually he's able to wingman Connor and how easily he seems to chat with the girl (sans going to seal the deal). The degrading that Noah's been giving him had admittedly been changing how Id been viewing Liam as a man. Him actually thinking and talking himself through some of his feelings was a sight for sore eyes as well. Finally letting his brain do some work. His immediate subconscious reaction to Noah kissing Ashley being to fuck his cousin was *mwah* I honestly can't wait to see how this whole debacle is playing out on Noah's side later on. I wonder what he could be getting up to without his ex-favourite toy. Wonder what he's been punching. That ending scene was wonderful too although at first I was a bit disappointed in Liam for being the first to break the ice, him putting Noah in his place briefly wouldn't have happened otherwise. I find it interesting that Liam seems more able to consider himself in love with Noah that consider himself into men at all. Kinda like the 'reset' vs 'fucking' thing where he's hung up on the words involved way more than the actions. He just needed Noah to say he liked him back in a weird douchey way. Noah's reaction being basically the same as in the initial breakup makes it seem like he's just been seething about this and hasn't been able to process anything that's happened. If he really didn't care he wouldn't have been so needlessly cruel. He's have just acted disinterested instead. I'm kinda hoping it's not Noah who's gone to see Liam right now as I don't want to see them reconcile just yet. Really wanna see Noah suffer before he gets his little buddy back. I wonder how the note from Liam's locker will come into play considering he brought it all the way to Noah's house. Did he drop it at Noah's door? Could that have made Noah go out to get him? Guess we'll just have to wait for next month :(

Mike

Goddamn! You hit the nail on the head in every assessment! I totally agree!

John

Another great chapter and I feel dumb for asking, but what is the connection to Chapter 9?

Mike

Not dumb at all if you ask me. I think there are a lot of layers to what can be connected between the two chapters. The connection I saw was the note. The note from the protein bar in chapter 9 was the catalyst for Liam to go to Noah’s. But again, I think there are several points.

Eryndor

I can’t articulate all I want to, maybe tomorrow, but the NOTE the damn note, exactly, like if it’s not fused to Liam’s hand atp I lowk was hoping it was a “found abandoned/crumpled” situation with Noah, like he tried so hard to put on this façade, until maybe he finds that note and it wrecks him? 😭

Tony

Damien, I’m right there with you on Connor. There’s something incredibly hot about the way he is with Liam. That needy, almost desperate energy he has around him just hits differently. Psychologically it’s such a contrast to Noah. Noah’s whole thing has always been control, distance, keeping the upper hand while Liam is left chasing the feeling. Connor flips that dynamic completely. He wants Liam and he’s not subtle about it at all. There’s something really intense about that kind of hunger. Honestly, watching Connor get completely lost in Liam like that is sexy as hell. It feels raw, messy, and real in a way that Noah’s calculated teasing never quite is. When someone looks at you like they just can’t get enough of you, that kind of attention can be intoxicating. Part of me would absolutely love to see the story lean into that dynamic more and let those two explore that tension again. There’s something about that needy chemistry between them that feels like it could get very heated very quickly… and yeah, I won’t lie, that would be pretty damn hot to see unfold.

Tony

Hey Mike, that's a good point that you made. I wonder if no one's allowed to come inside of Liam???

Tony

Eryndor, that’s a really interesting connection with the Valentine’s special. I hadn’t thought about the “gravity” line that way, but it actually makes a lot of sense. If the only time we’ve ever really seen Noah even hint at what love might look like in his head was when he was out of his normal guarded state, then hearing Liam frame it like that would probably sound completely unreal to him. Like his brain just rejects the idea outright. And I felt the same thing reading Liam’s reaction at the end. That kind of quiet shock where everything just sort of shuts down is so real. It’s not even dramatic in the usual sense, it’s just your whole system trying to process something too big all at once. The way he stood there and tried to get Noah to actually listen for once felt like a big moment for him. Even if walking away wasn’t some calculated power move, it still shifted something between them. What fascinates me psychologically with Noah is that he seems wired in a very defensive way when it comes to emotions. People who grow up learning to keep control at all costs often treat vulnerability like a threat. So when someone suddenly brings real feelings into the room, their instinct isn’t to explore it, it’s to shut it down and regain control of the situation as fast as possible. And we’ve seen that pattern before. Think about how he reacted when Liam brought up the situation with his father. Most people would read that as someone caring enough to ask, someone reaching out with concern. But Noah’s reaction was the complete opposite. He didn’t open up at all — he shut down immediately. That kind of response usually says a lot about how someone has learned to protect themselves emotionally. It’s like certain topics trigger an automatic wall going up. If that’s how he’s wired, it makes the porch scene even more interesting, because Liam basically walked right into the one kind of conversation Noah has trained himself his whole life to avoid.

Tony

John like Mike said, there is never a wrong question to ask . That is not a dumb question and I asked myself same thing . Because I didn't really get it at first. Here’s what I think the reason Lucas told us to go back and read Chapter 9 is because Chapter 18 kind of flips that whole dynamic on its head. Back then Noah was the one shaping everything — coaching Liam, pushing him, kind of defining what everything meant while Liam was just trying to keep up and make sense of it. But in this chapter it’s almost like that influence is still living inside Liam. You even see it when he’s at the bar coaching Connor and suddenly remembers Noah doing the same thing with him before his date with Claire. Psychologically that’s really interesting, because it shows how much Noah has gotten into Liam’s head over time. But the big difference is the ending. In Chapter 9 Liam was confused and reacting to Noah’s rules. In Chapter 18 he finally says what he feels and then just… walks away. That feels like a major shift to me. The dynamic that started back then might finally be starting to break a little here.

Parth Modi

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Mike

I get the sense we see two very similar dudes here. Both become desperate gooners at the sensations they are feeling. You see Connor’s potential here from being used by Noah and now watching him basically react in the same way while he’s doing Liam. I do admit, his character has grown a bit on me. But that sloppy neediness just still rubs me the wrong way.

Zeb35

Some thoughts: Really enjoyed the inversion of romantic tropes here. The protagonist realizing their love and running through the rain to immediately profess it is a classic, but Lucas twists it here by having Noah reject Liam. An excellent dramatic twist that lands all the harder because you want, even expect, things to play out the way they would at the ending of a romcom. But that’s not this story. I really enjoy that Lucas is using the framework of a traditional MLM romance story, but altering the genre by mixing in real psychological insight and narrative tools that complicate and heighten the form. It’s truly great. Re: Liam’s insistence that he’s not gay. It’s obviously a little laughable, but it’s interesting to me that the narrative has made clear that the sex Liam has with other men is purely a physiological response. There’s no emotion in those trysts. It’s only with Noah that Liam experiences romantic intimacy with the sex. This is a little surprising in the context of his encounters with Dylan. Dylan is physically a Noah stand in, and emotionally could give Liam a traditional romantic relationship. But Liam seems, almost unconsciously, to reject that. The gay relationship he wants (maybe the only one) is with Noah. I look forward to seeing that explored more. Speaking of Noah, the series is titled “Gaslighting Liam,” but it’s now clear that, ironically, Noah is also gaslighting himself. His rejection of Liam at the end continues Liam’s gaslighting, but we know (from the Noah POV chapters) that it’s not true that Liam doesn’t know Noah. It’s not true that everything between them was just a game. It may have started that way, but it didn’t stay that way. Noah has some serious cognitive dissonance happening, and his words to Liam are clearly an attempt to convince himself of their truth as much as they are to keep Liam at an emotional distance. It also makes clear why he’s turned to Ashley. She only sees the Noah persona, not the true person. Noah can find safe harbor in their relationship, because he’ll never have to emotionally open up or reveal his insecurities. Liam may have felt like the kiss between Noah and Ashley seemed authentic, but I think it’s just more performance by Noah, geared toward convincing himself Liam meant nothing and that he’s once again safe in his emotional isolation. Liam’s act at the end really sets up narrative momentum for the coming chapters. Telling someone you love and miss them, and having them utterly reject you, is heartbreaking. But it can also be freeing. Liam let Noah know where he stood; the ball’s in Noah’s court now, and Liam is free to pursue…?? I can’t wait to see where Lucas takes us. One nit: I think the sex with Dylan would have been a little hotter if Dylan had tasted Connor’s cum while eating Liam out, rather than just feeling it while he fucked him. But that’s a personal preference and maybe a bit too raunchy for this story. ;)

Usedtobe@yahoo.com

This is a masterpiece so far but I am afraid that it will end up in a typical fag romance cul de sac with Noah and Liam being in love. So far it is a fantastic plot showing a real man taking advantage of a weak unaware sub and discarding him when all is done. It is a story of hierarchy and domination and supremacy. Not men are equal.

Tony

Mike, I totally get it. The whole Connor situation has changed a lot, and it makes me wonder if he even understood what he was stepping into at the beginning. Maybe he didn’t think it was really “his thing,” or maybe deep down there was always some curiosity there. A lot of guys who think of themselves as straight push those feelings way down so they don’t have to confront them. The scene where Liam and Noah were in bed and Connor caught them still sticks with me—was that truly accidental, or did Noah somehow orchestrate it? I want to believe it was accidental, but there’s a part of me that feels like Noah might have been pulling strings. And when it comes to that moment between Connor, Noah, and Liam, I don’t think Connor planned any of it, but he was clearly into it. Maybe he was a little defensive, trying to hold on to his sense of masculinity, but he definitely wasn’t hating it. The distance afterward seemed more about Noah’s influence than Connor’s own feelings. What really makes Connor interesting to me is that he’s needy in a way that mirrors Liam, just from a different angle. That’s why I keep thinking it would be fascinating to see Liam eventually flip that dynamic and take control of Connor the way Noah once controlled him. Whether it’s just the two of them or even with Ian involved, that shift in power could be really intense to explore. Connor’s vulnerability is actually what makes his character so compelling.

Victor DeMilo

Okay, I like the rom com twist at the end. Hope it's Noah and not Dylan. Only thing I'm wondering about? Why the suggestion to re-read Chapter 9? I read it and still don't see the significance...I guess I'm missing something.

Marcio Dasb

several reasons but the big one is the note.

Eryndor

The note as Lucas said absolutely, but also there’s a lot of callbacks to things referenced in the chapter as well :) like the whole “coaching/TED talk” scenario the Noah “prepping” Liam for his date with Claire that directly translates into Liam playing that part with Connor in this chapter! Even direct verbiage like the “serial killer” gibe was a specific reference Noah used to Liam in 9! Something like that alone, in and of itself, could be explored: Was that Liam’s subconscious memory surfacing à la Freudian slip? Is he just “trying to be like Noah” to feel closer to him in that moment? Is he behaving like Noah because he thinks it’ll make him “stronger” (to be like Noah)? Is it nothing at all? Lots of subtelties in 18 that a prior Chapter 9 reread helps elevate!! 🥰

LS

I need the next chapter ASAP

Jorge

the bathroom scene with Connor is the best thing I have read. Both of them have SO much chemistry. I love them together and hope we can get more of them, in more degrading ways than this one. I mean, Connor is an amazing character! I really liked the bathroom sex because Connor is such a needy nerdy loser who is fucking Liam in public, I really wish he hadn't asked for consent, while trying to keep quiet at first, but then both of them just didn't care anymore even though there was someone in there. It felt degrading, dirty, intimate, rapy, and so faggot-ish🥵 also Connor is SO verbal it makes it even dirtier. The dirtier the better imo

A Hungry Fool

I gotta confess I am a bit disappointed how nice/caring Dylan is. He was so wonderful creepy when humping Liam in the club, but now he is so loving and good 😅

The Runaway

Ugh. Please don’t be Connor, or Ashley. I might prefer another mugger over them… if it’s Dylan, I hope he heard everything. I re-read that final Noah-Liam scene about 5 times, my heart breaking for Liam a little more each time. Also for Noah. Then I felt pride for Liam continuing to grasp the direction his life has taken, even if shakily, and for finally sticking up for himself and doing what had to be done, no matter how fucking hard it was. I hope Dylan does hold him to that promised convo, Liam desperately needs it. Three weeks to go eh, thank you Lucas 🫡

The Runaway

Honestly, I love the direction Dylan’s character is taking. I think he realized Liam needs more time to figure out his shit, and made the decision to simmer down the heat a bit and be there for him (it’s not like he hasn’t still gotten some benefits, but I sure hope we get to see that monster cock explode eventually!!). He’s more than proven that the sex god he is isn’t that far undercover, so I have no doubt there is loads more Dylan filth to come (cum??).

The Runaway

Claire, Noah, or Dylan. If it’s anyone else, I’m throwing my phone across the room and cussing Lucas’ name (and hoping I didn’t break the damn screen again).

Kira

When does the new chapter come out ?

Usedtobe@yahoo.com

Noah showed Liam who Liam, in fact, is, but Noah himself is not needed for Liam. Two other men now topped Liam and drove him to orgasm, one of them anal orgasm. So Liam's true submissive nature is not dependent on Noah's presence anymore. Mentally, Liam is super weak

c

“I might prefer another mugger” is so fucking funny! I also agree

Ain Faiz

Need to comment this, im on page 13, and i FEEL SO BAD FOR DYLAN. He’s a gentle giant😩😩