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Asher's motivations (Patreon)

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2023-02-03 23:26:17
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In the last post, I said that Asher starts his journey to find the real culprit behind his hometown's tragedy (the black knight/ Midnight Blade), and while that is true I just wanted to briefly expand on that. Asher, as you all know, has felt different (no magh) and lonely in Elnid'oh even when he has Father Isaiah and his friends, he always wondered why his parents didn't want to have him and where he actually comes from, having the necklace as the only memento of their family even being real.  

When Ixbal shows up, it is because she was reacting to Asher's necklace, so this instantly establishes that Asher's connection with ixbal comes from somewhere else, which intrigues him. Father Isaiah might tell Asher (during the exile) that Ixbal was the one that brought him here when he was a baby, so discovering where ixbal comes from might also lead him to discover his origin and perhaps his true family, which will prove to be difficult since Ixbal has no memories. This a journey that he had always thought about but was too afraid to embark on, the exile and Ixbal were the last push he needed to try to find his place in the world (especially after losing access to his only home).

So to sum it up, Asher's mind in the moment of the exile is:
-That black night must have something to do with this.
-Guilt, he must set the record straight if he wants to come back home, cuz he did the right thing... didn't he?
-Also Ravik's condition.... yeah..he lost an arm, and let's say Ravik doesn't exactly love Asher right now for reasons... I can elaborate if you guys want me to.
-Ixbal knows how to fight reapers, why?
-where does she come from?
-why my pendant reacts to her and the heavens key?
- if Isaiah is correct then she must know where I come from.. but she doesn't remember.
-does this mean I might be special?

Basically, I would say Asher is desperately trying to find meaning to his existence and purpose at this point and is trying to run away from the guilt of the tragedy by choosing to focus on a "true culprit" narrative. I mean he is right, there is more to this situation than it might seem but, he won't be able to run away from the consequences of his actions forever, especially because of Ravik's situation...

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NioSatyr

Poor Asher, he really messed up badly while already so lonely. But to be fair, if there are only three people that actually stood with him, I would also not agree that one of them gets sacrificed out of who knows how many more people. So, Questions for the day: - Ravik: Yes, please elaborate more on the love interest and his physical and emotional state. -Lena: What is up with her after the attack? Do people still want her to be sacrificed? What are her motivations afterwards to stay or not to go with Asher? (Yes, he was the idiot who caused the disaster but I would say that is a reason to watch him.) -Ixbal: Honestly, just how she (and probably also her counterpart)fights reapers? Asher has difficulty fighting because of a lack of magh till he gets the key, so I assume it has to do with being able to use magic since his future companions have no problem to do so. But according to you humans have no means to artificially create souls or magh (although I headcanon that even machines like Ixbal can get something similar if they have enough emotional experience, completely unbased fluffy theory of mine though), so she wouldn't be able to use either magic and I don't know how specifically the twin effigies were made to combat the reapers, considering they were pretty dormant at the time.

AbsoAlex
>>101134308

yeah, Asher situation establishes the theme: what is good and evil? the moral compass is just a matter of perspective, is it only a binary of right or wrong? or is it more nuanced than that like a spectrum? Ravik: in the moonlight dance Asher and Ravik switch and get to dance together just a bit before the final part of the dance (meaning that if they decide to stay they will indeed count as a couple matched by fate). They kinda lowkey flirt with each other, both try to speak up their piece at the same time, and Asher decides to let Ravik take the lead. Ravik's words make Asher think he is about to confess to him, but when the moment comes, Ravik looks around and sees his parents gesturing in frustration "what are you doing? look for a girl, and leave the weirdo" as some people start to stare to Ravik and asher. Ravik feels the social pressure and decides to change his question last second to: would it be ok for me to go out with Lena? Asher tries to contain his broken heart and says sure.. as he tries to leave, Ravik takes his hand and asks what's wrong and asher just shakes it out and leaves saying nothing. moments later Lena is chosen as tribute. Ravik and asher get invited to Lena's Last Supper, and while they barely interact with her and each other at first Asher starts making a scene rejecting all of what's happening while Ravik defends Lena's choice of going with the tradition. Lena asks Asher to understand is her duty but Asher is super pissed and leaves. During the Reaper Attack, Asher And ravik try to protect the people so they decide to split, Asher would take Father Isaiah and Lena to a safe place and Ravik would help the Townsfolk escape. Asher and Ravik promise to meet at a certain place after Asher finishes, so he can help Ravik escape and finish the evacuation. During the events, things get too difficult and Ixbal appears, Asher in the heat of the moment decides to follow Ixbal indications and goes to destroy the Reaper boss protecting the advent tree and the tree is destroyed. However, the night comes to an end and Asher forgot about Ravik. When he comes back to midtown he sees all the injured people and some mourning their respective family members. Ashes get shocked as he sees Ravik laying on his mother's lap, covered in blood scars and with no arm. Asher tries to come close to him but Ravik's family starts openly blaming him for his son's condition and telling him he ruined Raviks future as a knight robbing him of his dream. Ravik cannot look Asher in the eyes as he feels betrayed, he waited in the same spot, waiting for asher but never came. That's the point when all the people start to chime in and decide to exile Asher. Lena: her family is probably notable in the town and very traditional, in the heat of the moment everyone just blames Asher as a bad influence for persuading Lena as she demonstrated resolution to accomplish her duty. She knows she won't be able to go with asher due to her family, and asher wouldn't want for her to leave her family behind because of him, instead, Lena promises to watch over Ravik in Asher's absence which he appreciates. This won't be the last time you see Ravik or Lena or Elnidoh, Things eventually lead Asher and company back to his hometown and things get dramatic and tragic very fast. (more on that later on) Ixbal: OK so humans cannot artificially create souls, magh is not in that statement. That being said, The heavens key and ixbal are extensions of each other, they function in a similar way, and both of them have a purified fragment of the tesseract, which is made of a special material able to filter and conduct the magh in the ambiance (magh itself is just base component of the universe, dark matter if you will, with the ability to reconfigure a system, Reality in this case. The Magh itself has no limits, but the user does, so Ixbal is able to use her crystal as a catalyst for magh that enables her to function with close to no energy supplies and translate her electricity into lightning magic. But I must make clear that Ixbal is a limited vessel for energy, so she is not omnipotent nor her circuits can handle massive reality-bending magic in theory, the Adamic crystals (for lack of a better name for now) are not all-powerful nor invincible, they are just antennas for energy or catalysts, how the owner uses them is what makes them effective or not. For example, The Sol Hunab ku core is made with these crystals, they are using an opposite polarity to adam so they are repelling him and keeping him imprisoned, that also could explain why their activation drained his energy at first, however, I have to make clear Adam is super weak but he can still make his moves and influence the board, he may not be able to leave but now he has magh gathered thanks to the harvest and the Sol Hunab ku itself is connected to all the planet(making it easy for him to influence the planet ), he also is in command of the Midnight blades and ekpyrosis, he might not be able to open the door of omega, restart the universe or break free, but he is still a threat. Lastly, I think I never mentioned this but, The effigies weren't dormant these 12000 years, so they have been exposed to multiple reaper attacks these centuries, not to mention they were refined for many purposes during this era, suffices to say Sophia might be dead but we haven't seen the last of her. Ixbal is only dormant this last cycle during Asher's lifetime, arcadia, however, is cyclical, and that interesting topic is something we can aboard later ;) I do recognize there might be plotholes and plot devices that need tweaking and refinement or further explanation so sorry about that X), I'll do my best to work on it so everything makes sense and works seamlessly, that's why some things could change as I go forth. Hope these answers satisfy your curiosity

NioSatyr

Oh boy, are we getting cyclical disasters inside a post-apocalypse inside a post-apocalypse? I am intrigued. Also, if the scene where Asher gets exiled comes out in a fleshed out form, I will probably get very emotional about it. What is the advent tree, is it like a power source for the Reapers? Also, very interesting that you mention that Ixbal can use lightning magic on her own, I understood it that most people have to combine their magic to access the second circle. Are there any other characters in the main party that can use secondary elements on their own besides Ixbal? (I don't know yet how Ashers light magic works.) My guesses if that's the case are Beatrix for being a talented mage and Basil because he is a hybrid. Hmm, I guess I will ask a bit more about magh and the Arcadian souls. So, Ixbal has a fragment of the Tesseract that works as a soul but does it also work that way for Arcadian souls or is it less physical with those? Like, when Adam made the first Arcadians, did he put tiny fragments of the Tesseract in them and the material is actually organic and can grow and multiply together with them or is it more like that he condensed a piece of magh and turns it into a stable energy portion and that's the soul? This also leads me to the next question: Are Adam and the Tesseract two different things? Is he like an AI inside a computer or does it also work as a prison? Or is the Tesseract 100% his body? I assume there is a light counterpart to magh as in, ambient magic energy but not in the form of souls, but it is not as ubiquitious as magh so Adam can't just collect some light magh to make a light soul. Which also makes me wonder if there is a counterpart to Adam himself, like another being with the same powers that bestowed light souls upon humanity (and maybe many more lifeforms in the universe) or if it is not really a counterpart but rather Adams creators are the creators of light souls as well. I also assume that Adonais original soul kinda got burned up while opening the Omega Gate, even if it wasn't complete, which is why they gotta find another one (or more.) Also, I assume Asher got his stubbornness and tendency to "fuck around and find out" from Sophia. Definitely gave me a bit of introspection when I realized that I condemned Sophia for the same traits I appreciated in Asher even though they are both faced with similar situations where they do not want to accept a given situation related to things more or less beyond a normal mortals control and make big mistakes while trying to solve it. (Sophia wanting to give humanity a home as fast as possible and Asher wanting to save Lena.) Next part is more an observation than a question: I just think it's fitting that Adam uses darkness/black holes to combat Entropy, considering that in the real universe black holes will probably be the last objects to give in to the heat death of the universe. Still don't like him though simply for his methods. And for last, a brainfart: You remember when you told me about Mayan Creation Mythology? Well, my brain went maize humans = magh humans and thus offered as a solution to the Adam problem, Leilas ultimate summon: A giant microwave to turn him into popcorn.

AbsoAlex

so sorry for the wait, I did see it but I knew i had to prepare in order to answer this colossal pile of intriguing questions. *SPOILERS FOR EVERYTHING I GUESS* Advent tree: Reapers are made of pure magh, they technically cannot keep their physical shape for long nor manifest easily, Advent trees are like their anchors to this plane, it is almost as if the tree manifests a type of field that makes it easier for the reaper to keep their form in our dimension or reality. These trees are all around arcadia for obvious reasons. Magic: well I think only otto has a main affinity of a secondary element being poison, but I could change of mind and make it another earth user like basil. so yeah technically only ixbal and otto main secondary elements, that said I have in mind that almost all characters besides otto, asher, and ixbal, can develop a secondary affinity, be it through secondary character missions or second character arcs. Asher won't be able to use magic per se, he uses heaven's key as a catalyst, so what that does is that he can perform greater attacks or actions energized with light but to most people in arcadia that would look like colorless magh. I think I mentioned it before but the huge plus of the Key is the ability to mimic bloom forms (like limit form transformations on ff9). However, we can talk about it when I show you asher's bloom forms. Souls: hahaha being honest I haven't thought of the composition of the magh as a soul itself yet, I might say is a mix of both, the fragments of adam are tiny crystals but they are organic (or at least can become so) so they mix with the vessel, I would guess that the Magh itself affects the development of the biology of the subject so it can reproduce magh later in life, so magh might be an energy soul with an organ counterpart in the anatomy of the vessel, cuz yeah at the end of the day magh is an energy and light souls are also energy. Tesseract: that's one I have been thinking about for a while and I'm not sure yet but the conclusion I have come up with is: The tesseract is like his shell, I think adam is made of pure dark matter (i guess primordial magh) which ironically is super vulnerable to a physical universe, especially light ( which is WRONG science wise but I think that's what the shell is for, so it makes sense why dark matter does not interact with light) so yeah I would say your analogy of the computer is the most spot on, maybe even a turtle or a nautilus in some way, so yeah is part of his body but inside there is his true body if that makes sense, I guess metaphysical shape?. I already have the designs for the true form of adam so look forward to that. Light: you might be right, there might be light in the ambient but light energy is not itself the tool adam needs, it has to be a natural soul, a primordial light, cuz the soul is the key to the door of Alpha or the alpha dimension, the counterpart to omega, this dimension is literally the heart of the universe, life, primordial light. For the universal reset, he needs both: a Darkholder and a Lightbringer, adam is the Darkholder so he needs the light bringer, he usually picks one and fuses with him so the vessel possesses both qualities for a limited amount of time since such balance cannot exist for much until one energy consumes another so.... Adonai: you are correct but not in his case, yes souls get burned out opening the gate but to Alpha not to omega, is like a one-way ticket, so once the soul is used to open alpha it stays there out of reach for any existence. In Adonai's case, only omega was opened first and before he opened the door of alpha, Adam was threatened by the existence of the keys, so Adonai left the ceremony on hold to eliminate the users of the keys, however, while the users died, they succeeded using them and thus omega is abruptly closed killing all life forms in a perimeter of 1500 km, the only one surviving it was adam and Adonai with the protection of Adam's fragment in him that eventually corrupted his soul melting with it (remember the energy balance I mentioned before?) and turned it into dark energy. He is a failed Lightbringer. Gods: well, they are called "The Absolutes" but I haven't defined much of their role yet since they do not affect this story (but others ), they are the primordial forces, I guess the superior being who you could call "the one" or creator of everything is Üriin Dod Jiivana. Now he/she/they is important cuz the Universal reset ceremony is directly tied to him, is almost like a summoning ceremony. This god is a trinity god, composed of Uriin: Rebirth or infinity, Dod: death, and Jiivana: the seed of life. They could be considered the actual creators of Adam. the universal reset is a procedure to open the 3 eyes of "The One" which are the doors/dark holes that appear in the sky, once omega and alpha are opened, the last door, infinity, opens and then the universe restarts. So yeah I do not think there is an actual counterpart yet. Sophia: yeah is funny right? I think is because I humanized asher and you guys know more about him but in the reports, Sophia was barely described and when she was present she was just a stuck-up stubborn person ignoring the obvious warnings. Is always up to perspective. Science: haha well, it was not a coincidence, is was intentional, the actual multiverse apocalypse is based on the big chill where entropy exponentially comes to its maximum so I just reinterpreted it in a fantastical way to fit my lore. Brain fart actual serious response: lol but you want a piece of info that will stimulate your mind? Mayan creation myth talks about how gods tried to create humanity 3 times and each time they failed, they destroyed them (apocalypse) but the last attempt was a human made of corn/maize and the blood of the gods which is the one that stayed. Arcadias concept is based on this and the concept of ekpyrosis( cyclical end of the universe and restart) so the other races in arcadia: Crocolyd and Rephaim, were actually the first attempts to create the vessels of adam's seed (its blood) but they didn't work as intended and thus they were considered the failures of creation, which establishes a religious precedent to why their discrimination is huge in arcadia. And last, Ixim in Mayan means maize, and that's the name of the magh humans, but it doesn't end there, Ishim (pronounced the same as ixim in mayan) is the name of the lowest tier of angels in Judaism, described as the closest thing to humankind. Funny isn't it ;). Anyways do not make Leila summon a microwave unless you wanna kill all of arcadia hahaha

NioSatyr
>>101469855

Oh, it's really amazing to see how all these details have a place in the story. And good that you confirmed to me that Arcadians are indeed dependent on Adam for survival. That's also because I thought he might have a counterpart. Because I am also constantly spinning headcannons, that also played in how I imagined the final arc at some point. 1. Bring the exodus to Arcadia. 2. Get an army (all three races) to defend it against the church and co while the Ark of Soma spits out all the humans so the counterpart, which is in the Ark of Anima to ensure its functionality, can stop holding them. 3. At the same time the main party heads to Adams place to kick his butt (that was before I knew he was locked in the Sol Hunab Ku). 4. Let the counterpart quickly fill the Arcadians with light souls before she skedaddles and tells everyone to have fun with logistic, societal and shattering of world view problems. "Also, please don't repeat the stuff on Earth, my Ark of Anima arc was comparatively short to my existence, but very boring."

AbsoAlex
>>101469855

Hahah I mean Arcadians are independent individuals so they don’t really need Adam but it is true that Adam is controlling every single aspect of the world so I guess there is confort in ignorance and conforming to what the dark lord ( their god) says and wants. So I’m not sure in what sense you mean they are dependent? Feel free to elaborate or maybe I understood wrong 😑. Btw I see your head cannon and makes sense…. But, well the end of arc 3 and arc 4 itself are way more dramatic and tragic I think, expect Emo sad Asher timez, it just gets worse until things get resolved but the end is bittersweet like you are happy but not completely . Also you might wanna forget about the humans in the server of souls /ark of anima … they don’t make it . It is destroyed to prevent Adam from using them as “light bringers” by “someone” during arc3 , and the exodus… well…you’ll see , I feel bad about the pain trauma trip I’m about to put Asher trough.

NioSatyr
>>101469855

Oh, I meant like dependent on him that they can only live with him existing. Dear god, knowing so many spoilers though certainly doesn't help with the emotional impact of the story. It's like watching a trainwreck in slow motion. So many people gonna need a big hug or more. 😢 If they can get one, that is.