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Doctor Who 5x5 FULL LENGTH Reaction | Flesh and Stone (Patreon)

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2025-07-09 14:08:52
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I watched this on HBO Max

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Doctor Who 5x5 FULL LENGTH Reaction | Flesh and Stone

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Cen

That's fine thank you

The Inedible Mattman

as far as the Angels change (the killing instead of sending people back), I think there's some it of wisdom that can be extrapolated from the situation. The first time we met them, they were scavangers and they were hungry. They sent people back to feed on their temporal ... signature? if that's the right word ... and that was sustaining them. But here, you have basically an army with a purpose. They NEEDED the radiation from the ship, and probably they felt the crack in time as well so they just murdered the soldiers to keep the others afraid and moving. idk, it makes sense that a species would have different ways to deal with a situation. At least that's how I was justifying it in my head lol

Michael French

It should be noted that Doctor Who is going to be leaving HBO Max by the end of July, so I hope you have an ability to pirate or you have the Blu-rays

Dani

My understanding of the soldiers not remembering each other is that when they got within the field of the light (the time energy) they were erased from existence and because of that everyone that knew them had their timelines rewritten to exclude the knowledge of that person.

Merkavar

And it apparently isnt moving to disney plus, which seems odd.

Tristan Reynolds

Fun Fact!: In that last scene with Amy and The Doctor they had to keep reshooting because Matt kept kissing back. Apparently it was very hard to be kissed by Karen Gillan and have to pretend not to like it. XD

Gallows Girl Amy

I'm not going to tell you what, because explaining would be all spoilery, but, you missed something. It's very small and I missed it myself first time around. I agree with you about that nonsense in her bedroom at the end. Even Moffat has said that, in hindsight, he took it way too far.

Gallows Girl Amy

Presumably because Disney have sadly nixed producing any more Doctor Who due to poor ratings.

Alice Devilman

I have such mixed feelings about the angels, overall. On one hand, they're a great foil and an extremely clever concept. And they definitely add a much needed layer to the "new Who" era so that we're not constantly cycling back and forth between Daleks and Cybermen. But they might be a little too clever of an idea because they constantly create their own insane plot flaw. Specifically, when first introduced and we get the exposition backstory, the Doctor explains that they are quantum locked and can only move when not being observed. And in every single instance that follows, this "rule" is completely violated to a point where it might as well have never been mentioned. Observation is not just sight, but monitoring. So in this episode, for example, we have the ship's detectors showing that even though they aren't in visual range, they're still being tracked and "running away." Well, since they're being observed, they wouldn't be running anywhere. Same for Amy's communicator proximity detection. And then beyond that, there is the fact that they keep showing the swarm of angels moving forward, but some are behind others, meaning that only the last angel in the very back should be moving, and then only until it catches up with the second-to-last one. It was already established that they can't see each other and still move. So although a great idea, they ask the audience to forgive a lot.

Peter Powis

"You'll see me again quite soon, when the Pandorica opens..." "The Pandorica! Ha! That's a fairytale" "Oh, Doctor! Aren't we all?...I'll see you there" "i look forward to it" "I remember it well..." - The dialogue is so good!!!!

Leo Cap

while the Angels constantly being in each others' line of sight in well-lit areas is definitely an issue i've noticed too, the "observation error" is a reach because yes, Ten says "observed", but he was definitely talking exclusively about sight -- the idea that they "shouldn't be able to move if they're detected on radar" is a pretty random and unfounded headcanon

Kevin

I read that as "6 AM Amy's time."

Mark McKeown

I found them, I found them! Didn't I say last week one person would mention the thing :')

Leo Cap

the alleged marriage thing from last episode aside, the Doctor and River definitely have somewhat of a flirtatious relationship -- and one thing I haven't seen anyone mention yet in the comments is Matt and Alex when this season first aired, people were worried that Matt would seem "too young" to have convincing chemistry with Alex. it's even riffed on and joked about within the show a few times for any other pair of actors with a 20 year age difference, this might just have been the case -- but Matt does a great job of reminding us that he's a thousand year old immortal alien, rendering the ages of the actors completely irrelevant. River doesn't even really feel human sometimes in how she talks and acts. it's a GREAT pairing

Annica13

River Song is my favorite character in the entire show, and I’ve seen everything from the beginning of Classic (minus the lost episodes of course) up through the end of the Disney + era. Not everyone agrees, but I’m glad you love her too!

Martien van den Berg

River Song is the best Dr. Who storyline of all time. The story can't be told, it must be seen.

Rach

That ending scene where Amy essentially assaults 11 is abysmal, but at least Steven Moffatt acknowledged that after the fact. I think he's quite a reflective writer when it comes to his own flaws and I do think it shows in the way his work on Who goes on to change over the years.

John

The Doctor explained why the solders couldn't remember each other. When they went towards the crack and, apparently, they fell in or something and they were "undone." They never existed so they were never there to remember. Amy only remembers because she's a time traveler.

John

Ten and River definitely have some amazing chemistry. Fun trivia - their first scene together was when she fell out of the Byzantium and Matt caught her on the TARDIS. When she landed on him, she kneed him in the groin.

Martin

The angels weren't at their normal power which is why they couldn't send people back in time, so they were killing people for the bodies but also because they didn't have the power to do so, in the caves in part one remember how they didn't even look like angels because they were dying, so they were absorbing the energy to get back to full strength but in the meantime they could only kill and not send people back in time.

Earthen

Well if that's true then my days of subscribing to HBO Max are coming to an end

Tim R

I don't know if it's that they *couldn't* send people back in time, I always assumed that they just killed them because they were already feeding on the radiation from the crash and didn't need to feed on the time energy.

Tim R

I mean if you wanted to, you could justify it as a combination of pre-wedding jitters and the fact that she's spent her life obsessing over him for well over a decade. But yeah, that was a lot harder to watch than I remember it being.

Ejigantor

On the Angels - I think they normally feed via temporal displacement, but here they are feeding off the radiation of the ship's engines, so when they kill the clerics they aren't feeding, just indulging in their desire to create fear, like a cat playing with a prey animal. And then they start to feed on the energy from the crack, until it starts feeding on them... And I'm glad the Bishop went out with honor; The Doctor knew him at his best, in that moment. And the actor performs the scene so well. River is indeed a fantastic character, and since she and The Doctor traveled in the TARDIS to escape the crashing ship in part one of this story, she now officially qualifies as a Companion. I wouldn't call her my favorite companion, but I wouldn't call any other that either. I like too many of them too much to single one out like that.

Merkavar

Sending someone back in time is like day old eating mcdonalds while radiation is like grandmas home made lasagna

Jacob King

Amy’s feelings for the Doctor are as complicated as any companion’s but I don’t think they’re romantic. Definitely a bit sexual. It’s an interesting shift from the Russell T Davies era when there was a lot of sad pining and it all feels very serious and important. This is especially true with Rose being a teenager. The Doctor is not the love of Amy’s life but they just had a fun, scary, exhilarating experience and she wants to fool around a bit. The scene is also a good way to clear the decks and let the audience know there won’t be thirteen episodes of will they/wont they. Moffatt’s background before Who was writing the romantic sitcom Coupling while Davies was more known for drama.

Ahsim Nreiziev

Please remember that the Physics in fiction need not match the Physics in real life. I mean, otherwise literally everything about the TARDIS (from it being bigger on the inside, to it being able to Time Travel to the past, to it being a sentient space ship) would be impossible. So while, yes, in our universe monitoring counts as "observation" as far as quantum effects go, the same might not be true in the Doctor Who universe.

Ahsim Nreiziev

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx!!Spoiler!!xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Matt Smith will sadly continue to have that problem, or similar, in the future. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx!!End Spoiler!!xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Alice Devilman

I certainly understand the difference between fantasy and science fiction (the science part is there for a reason), but this isn't about that. This is about the world-building of the DW universe. If they're going to have expository rule setting and state rules, then they need to consistently abide by them, or at the very least provide in-universe canon to explain why the "rule" is able to be broken as an exception in a certain situation. Likewise, as viewers, we know that the show is written by writers, who sit and toil over how to present narrative and dialogue. If they choose to use the word "observed" instead of "seen" then we have to actually apply the definition of the word "observed" and not "seen." Because words have meanings. That's not an issue of science fiction or fantasy, that's communication and linguistics. Sloppy writing isn't my fault for calling it out, it's the writers' fault for being sloppy. They have the responsibility to deliver a coherent story, and I do not have the responsibility to ignore sloppy writing that pulls me out of the narrative.

Ahsim Nreiziev

I wanted to write something about that last scene, with Amy kissing the Doctor. I hope you still read this, even a day later. What you have to understand is, Amy is a very damaged person. Just think about what we learned about her in episode 1 of this Season. She was a 7-year-old girl, without any parents, and was raised by an aunt who often left her to do who knows what (but my own guess would be partying). This to the point that she had to learn to take care of herself, cooking for herself and everything. Also, she had to learn at a very young age to not be scared, even of things that SHOULD scare her. Just imagine how miserable of a life that is. Then this man appeared. The Raggedy Man. He not only fixed the one thing that could still scare her (the crack in her wall) but perhaps more importantly he offered to take her away from her miserable life. The one ray of light in the darkness. Now, she was already jaded at this point, going by the "People always say that." when the Doctor promised to come back for her. But still, she trusted him. And then he vanished for 12 years. Think of what that would do to a person, of what that would do to a child. Especially if people -- psychiatrists especially, but we'll come back to that -- tell her that her one ray of hope isn't real. If you're picturing what I'm hoping you're picturing in regards to what this did to her and how she would have responded to it: that's called Hyperfocus. And Hyperfocus can, in certain cases, and especially if the "object" that is Hyperfocused on is a person, manifest itself in sexual ways (rarely as only sexual, but for it to have a sexual component is more common than you might think). I also said I'd come back to the psychiatrists. Remember those. Psychiatrists are anathema to Amy, and to her life and limb, because they keep telling her to give up on her hope. This will come up again later. I hope this shed some better light on that scene. I also know that Steven Moffat regrets that scene, but as far as I know it's not because Amy found herself attracted to the Doctor (as that is a core part of her characterization, for all the reasons explained above), but because Amy basically sexually assaulted the Doctor, and worse it was played for comedy rather than the serious infraction on Amy's part that it was.

Chris Biebel

Actually, the one thing I didn't like about the Angels in this episode. The scenes later on where we see them moving. Previously, we never saw them move, even when none of the characters were actually looking at them. At first, I thought this was a mistake, until I figured that they were setting it up that WE were the ones looking at them and turning them to stone, which is kind of a clever sort of 4th wall break. However, having them move in this episode kind of kills that. Also, having them never move when you see them (and only changing position when the camera moves away or the light flickers) is a lot creepier than seeing them move as a statue.

Carl Wilson

There are even still moments in the scene where he starts kissing back a bit - which is part of why I'm inclined to give Amy a break for crossing lines here, along with all the psychological damage of her whole growing up period and the extra huge trauma she's just been through. (And probably because it's hard not to forgive Karen Gillan for just about anything.)

Literaltruth

I was around in the fan community at the time this aired and the scene at the end of this episode was REALLY controversial and turned a lot of the fanbase sour on Amy for a while. It's kind of a repeaing pattern that Stephen Moffat kind of does these things with his femaie characters every so often - often around their sexuality - that just comes out of nowhere and is really shocking. I don't know if its his background in kind of sex-comedy sitcoms or just a weird blind spot he has, but it's really one thing I don't like about his writing - his women are often either perfect angels or hypersexual in a way that makes them act in odd ways.

Ben “Bentendo” Dawson

Moffat regrets two things from his writing as showrunner... the Power Ranger Daleks. and Amy attempting to kiss The Doctor. But they're both done now, so nothing else to regret! Also, you didn't notice during the scene when The Doctor was talking to Amy with her eyes closed [asking her to remember what was said when she was little] that he had his jacket on again. Funny that...

Chris Brown

Spoilers... Please delete them so you don't spoil her enjoyment if what's to come

Ben “Bentendo” Dawson

There’s nothing spoilery, the first two points are past tense, and the last thing most people noticed at the time of broadcast.

Katie Niekamp

I agree that Matt’s range is great. The extreme anger can be disturbing but I think it’s such an important offset. His goofy, childish, exaggerated demeanor, which I find completely charming, could easily get grating if he was always that 100% of the time. Subtler performances can have subtler swings but I love the decision to match the glaring sunshine of the exuberance with the tumultuous storm of the rage.

ZapWing

If she didn't notice, you shouldn't draw attention to it. That's what makes it spoilery.

Linus Marjeta

And it fits the character of who this doctor is so well. He's desperately trying to forget what happened in his previous life, therefor he's willfuly childish and whimsical. And any time he fails to push that away, he becomes rageful. It's such a beautiful, bittersweet and absolutely heartbreaking performance.

Philip Roy

Hey, i know this is old and you may have a system in place now but a different youtuber who i also sub on patreon too has her editor go rhrough comments before they look at them and delete potential spoilers. Just a thought.