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TLS 0.31.3 + Dec 16 Update (Patreon)

Published:
2017-12-16 23:18:31
Edited:
2017-12-16 23:19:14
Imported:
2026-06
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I'm going to do both of these at once to save time and focus.

NEW VERSION

Link: https://mega.nz/#!uw13TZYI!Oa6sbpO7fSlgcUoIl5LGU5rjWZo7es5fI-Akc2h6ybk

RTP: https://mega.nz/#!C882EZiS!I6i3H_mmmrMmg1A93qb230GkOx3d_SQii-q0iCQcXCw

Version 0.31.3

 - Yet more polishing.

 - Added a Megail/Qum scene at the base.

 - Some additional affection bonuses.

 - New custom sprites for recovered unsuccubi!

$1 backers, please enjoy the new update! It's a much more polished version of the previous one, but there are a few new pieces for old players to enjoy (see above). I tried to get the actual bugs, but there are some improvements that have been discussed that I did not get to - perhaps for the public version.

WEEKLY UPDATE

The big news this past week has been Patreon threatening a new fee structure no one wanted, then thankfully reversing their decision after the universal outcry. The fact that it happened is a bad sign, but Patreon not going forward with it is a better outcome than I would have predicted.

Still, I know some of you are angry with Patreon over this, based on the exit interviews. It's a reminder that platforms aren't really your friends and that putting all your eggs in one basket is unwise. I know some of you disapprove of my side projects, but I'm thankful that most are patient as I try to explore different concepts. I would like to be in a place where I can keep creating games even if a major platform explodes or decides to remove adult creators.

Some people have asked me about alternate platforms. I have so far not followed up on any of these, partially because many strike me as unstable, partially because I would prefer to focus all my energy on creation. That's universally true, but especially now as I try to finish this year strong. Still, if you have a platform of choice, feel free to mention it and I will consider it in the future.

Anyway! Please enjoy the new version and provide whatever feedback you like! The final version will go up next week, there will be another weekly update, then that's a wrap for 2018. O_O

Comments

StalkerRoguen

Cool, can't wait to play. I think you should ask for castle's screenshots and promote a "Castle fashion competition". That customization thing is so cool.

Antonio

Sierra Lee, you also give a copy of your side projects to patrons, so I don't think they have much to complain. But May ask you a question? Hve you though of asking Nomo to make the CGs of The Last Sovereign? You are already partners in Herein games, so you could rely on him/her.

sierralee

Thanks! It may be buried, but there was a thread on the wiki where people showed their customizations. Someone will probably be along to post it!

sierralee

I have heard of it, but not tried it. Right now, it strikes me as new and untested.

sierralee

While Nomo has been very reliable, he's fully occupied creating our own games at Hreinn. The artist for TLS would be fully booked for a very long time, so this hasn't really been considered as an option. Having said that, he's drawn art of TLS characters! You can see it in the banner, and there have been several other pictures. Right now there's no central place to look at them, as this is one of the many things I haven't had time to do.

Antonio

That's a pity. But I saw other projects that used multiple artists on it not getting total garbage, so maybe 2 or 3 artists working in the game is still better than no artist at all. Of course, I'm not in the industry to know these artists or how they would fit in your style, and of course, the game is already really big, so even implement the CGs could seriously take hours, and you already have your hands busy taking care of KoD and side projects. So even implementing the things would be hard. It's really a pity. I really hope you find someone before that game is finished, you are a great writer and this game is really good and deserve its CGs to be even better. <br><br>Anyway, good luck.

StalkerRoguen

A bug perhaps: I am finally able to invest in the banks... I will try to maximize profit now, to expend it all later. Having said that, I don't think Yhilin bank is showing on the ledger... So, I am uncertain if it's a "showing" issue or if I am actually not investing on it. PS: Buying things using pron made me tear up a little bit.

genericname12345

Are these affection bonuses retroactive? Or will we have to replay the section again?

ECD

Good stuff. How are folks doing for Pron for the smaller rounds? I'm coming in at 1.4-1.6 depending on how I fiddle the post-war investments.

William M.

I wish there was a way to convert Sx to Pron. I always have a surplus of the former but am routinely out of the latter.

sierralee

I will have to double check on the Bank of Yhilin, I'm not really sure.

sierralee

That's correct, but the bonuses are only attached to certain investments and they're likely unimportant (that is, for characters you might have maxed already).

sierralee

You're not the only one, but I'm undecided if I want to allow this. It could happen.

Bladestorm

you could have it tie to when you are a core lender to a certain bank they allow you to have this privilege but the conversion 10k Sx you get 5k Pron, or a similar conversion since Pron are just used for investing and now decorations.

DukeLeto7

I was making a list of Ch4 investments and their effects when you released this. Now I have to go back and check them all again... Alas, poor me! :( Here's a list of possible bugs for you. What happens to synergy skills not learned in the Yhilin practice area for whatever reason now that the tunnels are closed? And the increased lust flow for Simon, if someone were so dumb as to qualify for it but not collect it? In the Ch4 Iterate event, there are some possibly unneeded line breaks in the ledger output. (They are clearly deliberate, I just don't understand why...) Orc students in HoMS are all keyed to appear if the New Givini variable greater than a given value. Shouldn't it be Tak'Kan? Yhilin Airships gives no profits, contrary to what Patrrci says. This also seems intentional. Are some investments delayed, requiring a few iterations to start producing? The Givini Orc Merchant investment cost conditional has New Givini < 40 twice. should the second be < 50? He also disappears when the New Givini variable is 50+. Should this be 60+, since otherwise the < 50 conditional will never be satisfied? I'd also go so far as to say that in combination, the Ch3 New Givini Trade investment and the Givini Orc Merchant Investment create a perverse disincentive. If you had an optimal war outcome with the Ghenalese merchant deal the orc work program and the Succubus Sllave reform, gave economic aid to New Givini, backed Givini Equality and funded the New Givini Trade investment, then you start out Ch 4 with a New Givini variable of 17, entitling you to buy into the Givini Orc Merchant for 200,000, while the cutoff for paying 100,000 for the same investment is 15, and that investment will return a whopping 200,000 per iteration. New Givini Trade only returns 20,000 per Ch4 iteration at a cost of 500,000, with a +4 to economy and some Elleani RP. Even if you had every other investment but New Givini Trade at the end of Ch3 and 500,000 to spare, the sensible move as the game is now is NOT to invest in New Givini Trade and then invest in Givini Orc Merchant before anything else and then the Bank of Givini with the 500,000, since this nets you more hidden score points and RP than the New Givini Trade, and gives you return of 500,000 every Ch4 iteration after the 1st instead of 20,000 every iteration including the 1st. Plus 50,000 in loose change. ONLY a future investment or development threshold that requires a New Givini variable >50 could justify not doing so, and this ONLY if there is no other way to boost the New Givini variable in a future update; OR if it is impossible to get Elleani to 100 RP without the +5 from New Givini Trade, or the hidden economy score has a check that exceeds 129 and thus requires the +4 (or whatever the maximum practically possible econ score with the New Givini Trade investment taken). I would strongly recommend re-balancing this so the returns on the Givini Orc Merchant and the Bank of Givini are reduced or need a synergy with the pre-existing New Givini Trade investment to produce these high returns, put a minimum New Givini variable requirement on the Bank of New Givini of something like 25, or increase the cost of Givini Orc Merchant and/or reducing the scale of the discounts based on the New Givini variable. Or some combination of the above.

DukeLeto7

Just doublechecked that I was working on 0.31.3 and not 0.31.2 with those issues. I was. I may find more. Note there are many other investment combos better than New Givini Trade, just less long term profitable than the Givini Orc Merchant and the Givini Bank. The same critique also applies to the other Ch3 trade network investments, and one might equally be tempted to throw the Givini Equality petition or the Elleani Aid petition under the bus to get that 100k discount on the Givini Orc Merchant.

Ferr

Just a small bug, if you invested in theltiar flowhouse during the first time. Lynine still showes up to sell it, when you visit the flowhouse. Lynine also showes up in Onilise place by her bed, but there is no interaction.

genericname12345

I mean, nowadays the amount of Pron needed is way more than any amount of Sx we could possibly have. It'd have been a bit overpowered earlier but now it's kinda useless.

genericname12345

How convenient - I made a save where I got all the plot stuff done but did no investments so I could pick and choose at my leisure.

Pete

Btw catching up now from the end of the war. For me Kara died because I thought that was a decision she should make herself, which isn't that important probably but I don't want her dead but don't want to redo that much either. So I consider just cheating. Which brings me to the obvious question if I figure out which is the relevant flag for her being dead and change it is that likely to fuck up my game because of it not matching other things?

aosdh

I know this is a bit of a weird bug report, but I'm playing through the game from start again and noticed that there's a bug in Aka's route. After escorting the scared mercenary in the mine Aka will lose her affliction debuff

sierralee

Aww... I thought I got this one, but I didn't. Fixed, thanks!

sierralee

Nope, there aren't likely to be any major consequences.

sierralee

Hmm. I should say that there IS one known bug in that section: Aka can lose her debuff if she ever dies in combat. If there's another one, I will have to look into it.

aosdh

That might be the case, but I've had her K.O a decent amount of times in the route because of my refusal to buy items and my need to do all content.

sierralee

Thanks for the feedback! Did not comment specifically on the straightforward bugs that I've fixed. Affection changes were added to Potions and More, the Givini Bank, and the ancient excavation site. Old synergy skills should be moved to the new area eventually, I think. Same with lust flow. Some investments will give no direct profits but grant other benefits. The airships, however, was not intended to be among those and appears to be an oversight. For the Givini Orc Merchant: 50 is the correct threshold, the extra 40 is the mistake. While I did intend there to be a tension between incentives, you may have a good point about the Ch3 investment. Will think on it.

WaxerRed

I'd doubt it would be too game breaking. If from day one you saved all Sx, never bought equipment and sold almost everything you collected how much would you really have in Sx? 100,000, maybe 200,000? At this level that would cover only the smallest investments at the cost of making the rest of the game much harder.

Dubsington

Is starting a save from the end-of-chapter waiting room (with the title "CHAPTER FOUR") sufficient? Or do I need to go back one?

Pete

Perfect thanks for the answer, so set it to kara go and kara alive. Well I am not sure she would have survived with go but I think so. Also damn that list of switches is long and the savegame editor I used after deciding that is faster doesn't have a search.^^

sierralee

I should state that one of my initial reasons for the Sx/ProN split was that I was concerned that hardcore minmaxers would feel obligated to buy nothing for that extra amount. While that might be fun for someone who chose that, I think it would make the game less fun for average players who still want optimal results.

sierralee

There's no need to go back any further. If you're referring to the affection changes, there's no need to go back any further than before you made investment choices.

Pete

Quite honestly I probably would do that, well not entirely I would keep some in anticipation of things I need Sx for but I would avoid spending it on any equipment unless really necessary. At least early game. As WaxerRed said at this point in the game it isn't much compared to pron amounts.

Nefratum

Im just curious if it is the end of current release or I'm missing something... but I'm getting message from Riala when I'm trying to use teleport on the bottom screen in teleport chambers... Is it even avaiable or not yet implemented? Also where is Dari? Is it possible to find her or also not yet implemented? I'm little confused.

sierralee

You can enter the teleport to do the last dungeon after you collect all party members and allies. It sounds like you're just missing Dari, who is in the New Givini camps - the simpler buildings on the regional map.

sierralee

Thanks for trying to give a screenshot, but I don't think you can upload one like that. In any case, I will go hunting for a tile bug on that tileset.

Scol

2 247 500 in my most ProN-optimized walkthrough (including 32 500 leftovers from last round).

Scol

As self proclaimed hardcore minmaxer I'd totally replay the game without buying anything except Eustrin Shining Armor, though I prefer the way things are now. Especially since I've replayed the game 2 times already between 2.9.0 and 3.1.0. :P

Scol

I wondered about New Givini Trade and Orc Merchant investments as well. Orc Merchant, even when bought for 200k offers the most returns per spent ProN out of all currently available investments. On the other hand New Givini Trade, along with Tak'Kan Trade and Chalice States Trade offer almost nothing. If they don't open any future opportunities (like funding Dwarven Embassy did) and we'll be able to hit highest variable tresholds without them It might turn out it's best to not fund any of them even if you end up with 900k+ ProN after buying everything else after war.

Nefratum

Thanks for the reply... Dunno how i could miss Dari here...

Lamsey

New coat of polish is looking good, and the Qum/Megail scene is adorable. Found a few more minor things: There's still some missing flavour text for the three weapons in the Givini shop: <a href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/xe891a8sl65sf7g/Screenshot%202017-12-17%2017.20.56.png?dl=0" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.dropbox.com/s/xe891a8sl65sf7g/Screenshot%202017-12-17%2017.20.56.png?dl=0</a> Text overflows: <a href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/29miws6hyio7nbq/Screenshot%202017-12-17%2017.37.51.png?dl=0" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.dropbox.com/s/29miws6hyio7nbq/Screenshot%202017-12-17%2017.37.51.png?dl=0</a> <a href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/qpaccntjpq51s6o/Screenshot%202017-12-17%2020.06.42.png?dl=0" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.dropbox.com/s/qpaccntjpq51s6o/Screenshot%202017-12-17%2020.06.42.png?dl=0</a> <a href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/pspxs5m5zdz05ic/Screenshot%202017-12-17%2020.09.18.png?dl=0" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.dropbox.com/s/pspxs5m5zdz05ic/Screenshot%202017-12-17%2020.09.18.png?dl=0</a> release -> releases (no sir, I did not totally miss this last time, honest guv!): <a href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/x6vqmgtinz033ic/Screenshot%202017-12-17%2020.03.28.png?dl=0" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.dropbox.com/s/x6vqmgtinz033ic/Screenshot%202017-12-17%2020.03.28.png?dl=0</a> more attention that -> more attention than: <a href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/9hgyurnc6qglktt/Screenshot%202017-12-17%2020.06.31.png?dl=0" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.dropbox.com/s/9hgyurnc6qglktt/Screenshot%202017-12-17%2020.06.31.png?dl=0</a> Awkward phrasing with Elleani in the room - maybe "Now that Elleani is spending most her time in New Givini, I hope she can still visit us often"? That'd work regardless of whether she's in the room or not. <a href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/i4kzs752b27u6e6/Screenshot%202017-12-17%2020.35.16.png?dl=0" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.dropbox.com/s/i4kzs752b27u6e6/Screenshot%202017-12-17%2020.35.16.png?dl=0</a>

Grif end

You are kidding right ? If you go that route there will definitely be party members that would be underpowered which in many rpgs would not be a problem but in TLS your group splits on multiple points and that if the underdogs stuck together. Don't get me wrong i love my self some Pron but i love myself some Sx as well...and now i have started to worry about my game money. Anyway i think the core reason that Pron are so much sought after is the fact that 1. investings is much more gratifying than buying. And 2. The fact that it's a qurency you get at only sertain points of the game I mean people would probably be less obsessed Anyway my suggestion would be that instead of allowing unlimited conversion of sx would be to have some investments you could pay with either qurency and/or more quests that have pron as an alterantive reward (not necessarily alternative to sx).

Grif end

Btw during the last release i forgot to mention this this so here it is: Patty is a wonderful character that i hope foreshadows the creation of an elite combat maid squad. And to any haters out there i don't care what you think about Patty's gender or race in regards of his occupation all i know is that he is a combat maid and that makes him beautiful !

Badger66

Ok thanks for the help Lamsey. Also loving this update! It is amazing as always. Oh and don't mind the deleted comment, I was going to edit to remove the link from it and accidentally hit the delete button. Anyways, keep up the great work, Sierra!

DukeLeto7

Strictly speaking, the most profitable investment is still the Yhilini Arms Dealer, who has not been doing so well since the war ended. I wonder who was buying up weapons in such enormous quantities before the war started. (It was Aram.)

DukeLeto7

More stuff from my browsing for Ch4 investment info. Upgrading Tak'Kan as a trade city costs 100,000 and returns 100,000 per iteration. That seems a bit steep as ROIs go, even with the low yield, high cost slum housing upgrade as a precondition. Not sure, but does the mage outside the 2nd House of Petitions still appear and say the fence is getting moved even if the 2nd house of petitions was never built? (This reflects my lack of RPG Maker understanding.) It might be fun if the Kingsmen bar got re-purposed. Possibly as an HQ for a group of Yhilini secret agents. Investing in the Imp Offices doesn't seem to do anything. The War Monument gives -2 RP for Sarai? What's with various sprites hanging out on building roofs? There's no cost increase for getting Yhilini Succubus Expansion and Outskirts Mercenary offices in Ch4, unlike the other Ch3 investments. Just so we're clear, the three Ch3 trade route investors aren't hiding out anywhere in the Ch4 maps that I have not looked, are there?

DukeLeto7

Note also that the Givini Tunnels investment has no return, despite Elleani saying that it may eventually pay for itself via tolls and fees.

sierralee

The trade city upgrade was intended as a surprise reward for the slum housing upgrade. However, on my investment spreadsheet it says that it should return 50k, so I must have not gotten it changed from the default 100k. That should make things more balanced. The fence guy will appear regardless because the 2099 event page takes priority over others. I notice that the door in doesn't, though. That's a bug. Imp Offices: It'll matter once you need more influence in Tak'Kan, but no monetary returns. Sarai doesn't like money spent on impractical things. Are you seeing the sprites in game, or in the editor? Either way, those are my templates that I copy/paste every time I need a new NPC. Selecting the correct sprite/face gets extremely tedious after a while, so I try to streamline the process. The investments that don't become more expensive are intentional. The trade routes aren't available again, correct. Lack of Givini Tunnel returns is a mistake, fixed.

sierralee

Haha, glad you liked Patty. Rest of the game is nothing but combat maids, this has all been an elaborate introduction.

DukeLeto7

Re: Imp Offices, I don't just mean it returns nothing in the iterate event, there are no secret stat changes or RP bonuses. Sarai is aware that funding impractical stuff is in some respects her job description, right? For clarity, I'm just noticing characters hanging out on top of buildings a lot in the new countries in game, and I see there are variations on their appearance defined in the RPG Maker maps. The only other times I recall seeing this behavior ingame are Yarra camping out on the Ardan diplomatic shrine on the way to Ardford and the climbing seed orc looking at the elven ghetto, so it qualifies as unusual. Just FMI, what are the iterate returns on Yhilini Airships and Gvini Tunnels? I just uploaded a spreadsheet with all the investment info to the wiki forum for the grognards to use in refurbishing the investments page, and since I've already had to redo the upload six times, seven won't be a hardship before the 0.31.4 release.

Scol

On my latest playthrough my shopping list is pretty short: 2x Buttplug, Eustrin Shining Armor, Sylvan Blade, Sylvan Dagger, Mammoth Armor. Reducing it to 1x Buttplug and Eustrin Shining Armor wouldn't make the game that much harder.

Scol

I should've specified I meant investments available in CH4. There are no other investments that return 100+% of their cost in single round in CH4.

Fulminato

she die, after you tell 'her to go, only if feroholm suffer heavy casualty (9 cross in the graveyard vs 3 cross otherwise)

WaxerRed

In the most minor of minor bugs, if you invest in the archives with Orilise in chapter 4 she will disappear before the fade to black and for a moment Simon talks to empty air...I wouldn't really sound a red alert for that bug though. Slightly more worrying is that investing in the bank of Yhillin in chapter 4, it won't show up if you check your ledger.

Whismas

Is the Impaler supposed to appear in the base courtyard in this version? He's there in the RPGMaker file, but not in-game even though I know I spared him and the flag is properly set. I think he might be in the ghost zone with the rest of the template sprites, but that might be intentional.

sierralee

Orilise bug fixed! As for the bank, don't be concerned - the investment is made, the ledger is just checking for the first investment instead.

sierralee

I have an event for him as plans for the future, but he's not supposed to be there now.

sierralee

I'm not sure there's anyone in the cast who cares excessively (this isn't relevant to Balia's interests), but it IS weird that it doesn't boost the Tak'Kan variable. Added that and a social point. Sarai is not happy with many parts of her job. Yhilini Airships = 100k Givini Tunnels = 300k

DukeLeto7

Amusingly, I guessed at the returns in one of my spreadsheets, and guessed right for Yhilini airships. Poor Sarai. And now Fulminato is correctly pointing out that the formatting of my fat spreadsheet is abominable.

onepot

Just on a side note, Sierra and DukeLeto7, when you speak of Lust Flow, you actually mean Lust Renewal, right? Or did I miss a new skill gain for Simon? :o

Scol

It's a passive increase to LP gained per round by Simon. IIRC it starts at 1, you can increase it to 2 in Orgasmic Empire (Empress training sessions) and then to 5 in Yhilin training grounds if you learned everything you could back in Orgasmic Empire.

Scol

Regarding my previous information about investing into everything currently available in chapter 4, after consulting DukeLeto7's list it turns out I missed quite a few things when doing calculations. Most notable ones include Givini Tunnels, Stineford Magic Shop, and Warehouse Donations. Even after including extra returns from Tunnels and Airships it won't be possible to invest into everything in 4 more rounds. Sorry for misinformation.

sierralee

Not a problem at all, thanks for updating me!

DukeLeto7

I'd actually rather like to see some warhouse donations.

DukeLeto7

OK, unless I find a typo in the Qum + Megail scene, this should be my final bug report for this version. You can use the passes besides Devil's to get to Ari-Yhilina from Stineford and go to Feroholm too, despite the previous notes that we could just use teleportation. Now, you can also walk to Yhilin from the Bandit Pass map in Aram, so presumably this is an abstraction for using teleport? In Grubbak's initial speech on Orcish Democracy, the paragraph "Furthermore it will be a republic..." overruns the text window. Ledger again. Because the ledger event conditional writes Stineford Weapons Store when the 2546 switch is on instead of the 2544 switch, it displays that you own a stake in the Stineford Weapons Store if you are a Bank of Stineford Core Lender. This is also true of the text displayed by the Ch4 iterate event, but NOT the ProN addition. Lynine is still chilling in the Flowhouse offering you the chance to invest even if you have it from Ch3. It looks like EV007 needs a third tab for switch 2050 in addition to the second tab that just shows you have spoken to Lynine and funded the flowhouse in Ch4. This would match Orilise in the Denmiel archives.

Scol

Dammit :D Fixed

sierralee

Yes, abstraction. Other things should be fixed, thanks!

CBrown

I'm sorry I must be blind. Where do you trigger the Qum/Megail scene in the castle? I only see Qum by her pink crystal and Megail by her desk. Am I missing something? Also and completely unrelated, this is one of the most well thought out and interesting RPGs I've ever played. The character depth especially makes it for me. Each person you meet has depth to them and stays so true to character in a real and believable sense. Just some of the best world building I've ever seen.

DukeLeto7

Thanks for all the work you do for your dedicated perverts and have a happy holiday!

onepot

I see, thanks for clearing that up. I never noted that actually. :o

Lamsey

You need to sleep in your bed after going to the other dimension, same as for the Aka/Yarra scene. I presume you also need both relationships at 100. I am also hoping this will lead to a Qum/Megail synergy skill - maybe Sexy Negotiation, whereby Qum confuses the absolute shit out of someone and Megail takes them to the cleaners while they're still trying to work out what's going on...

Ripe

Is there some additional trigger to Iris/Megail scenes added in 31.3? In previous versions all it took was choosing to rest at HQ (same for Aka/Yarra).

sierralee

You need to have finished the dungeon and returned.

sierralee

Lamsey's answer is correct. Anyway, glad you enjoy the game! I certainly try to create something with some depth, so I'm glad it works for so many people! I've actually had in mind some ideas for involving non-combat party members in a atypical way - but non-combat synergy skills had not occurred to me! Haha, this will be on my mind...

Ripe

You mean the 1st tower incursion... that's new. I don't remember that being requisite before. Any particular reason for the change?

sierralee

Yes, it's new. With increasing numbers of scenes available for characters at 100, I worried that getting them all at once would feel rushed. Whereas after the player has explored and just gotten out of the dungeon, I hoped they'd feel like more of a natural reward, the characters all relaxing afterward.

DukeLeto7

One more minor thing that started prodding at the back of my brain this evening. The Ardan government representatives during the 3rd Arclent War made it clear that the fact that Simon is Dargai would become public knowledge in international affairs going forward. "Everyone will know who you are and what you've chosen to do. We'll make sure of it." OK. Numerous orcs with varying degrees of intelligence still address Simon as Dargai in Tak'kan and elsewhere in chapter 4, but a conversation with Riala in HQ indicates that they are still maintaining the Dargai persona as Simon's public face going forward, particularly with respect to the general succubus population in Yhilin and the new nations. So, do the folks in Ardford have a somewhat parochial definition of "everyone", is Simon & co. using some kind of censorship to limit the flow of information from the outside into the Doom King's territories, or is this just a matter of all the succubi and intelligent orcs knowing that Dargai's birth name was Simon and they simply don't care, respecting his choice of new name now that he has joined the Sith... er entered the service of the Doom King... from a certain point of view?

aosdh

Thanks to you and the kind people over at the wiki I've spent the last day pulling my hair out over trying to manage investments for chapter 4. Though the efficiency in my investments could probably make Iris' carnal region spawn another Gasm fall, I feel like there's some balance problems with the investments as they are right now. The main issue comes the paradoxical issue of the return investments not giving enough, yet at the same time giving way too much. It's already been noted from other players that even a ProN heavy player won't be able to do all investments in 4 rounds, yet it's likely from what I've calculated that if given a 5th round they'd end up with way too many ProN laying about, which would cheapen the overall feeling of accomplishment efficient investing usually has. I primarily want to know what your actually thoughts are about this. It seems to me at least like the way to alleviate the issue is by making either returns diminishing as rounds pass, lower the overall costs on some investments, or provide the player with additional ways of getting ProN. I do hope though that as the chapter progress we'll be able to see synergy between investments like the Tradesmasher one does.

sierralee

It's the latter. Most orcs and succubi have positive associations with "Dargai" whereas "Simon" is just some human name. Most who use it consider it just another name for the same person, except Riala, who is speaking of it as a role distinct from Simon the actual person.

sierralee

Haha, glad you're having fun with everything. I can't guarantee that everything will seem balanced in the end, but I can tell you that I'm considering things carefully. Diminishing returns won't happen, because the implementation of that would be unacceptably tedious on my end. However, there will be other factors I hope will help the whole process feel rewarding. Some investments you will want ASAP, which could only be done via efficient investing. You also haven't seen all the potential uses for ProN, some of which will be deep money sinks for those with plenty to spare.

aosdh

Uncertainty in my spreadsheet game? How dare you? Jokes aside It's probably true that I only looked into the profit based investments initially, not all the other investment bonuses, so my whole viewpoint on it was that everything else would remain stable on the investments until chapter end, so it's good to know they'll actually be a benefit short term as well.

DukeLeto7

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Fulminato

SL working on the tool for the 3AW i find (in the 0.31.3) in the throne room's investment option a 'bug'. in the mercenary office dialogue there is a hilstara RP +2 in the branch discounted for the infrastructure project, but missing in the full price proposal.

StalkerRoguen

Should I wait for the next update, just in case?

sierralee

I think everything has been fixed for a few updates, but the next version is coming out tomorrow, so your call.

DukeLeto7

It's replicated in the Ch4 version in Yhilin's Outskirts. I had just assumed it was intentional...

DukeLeto7

Because who doesn't get off on mercenaries moving about on sleek new roads....

DukeLeto7

Really minute minutiae. Every time you enter Eustrin in Ch 4 (so far), the dwarf guarding the main door tells you you have to go about completely shrouded and Yarra says "Huge party of dwarves coming right up." It might be better for flow to have a more abbreviated conversation the second time you visit Eustrin, since Yarra's illusions are abstracted out.

Decanter

I think people who don't minmax have a rough enough go of it already. Leave this option for the postgame when it doesn't matter, maybe.