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In this bonus audio, David and @joyofnapping discuss the following topics:

Awards Season Viewing

The Order (in theaters now)

The Assassination of United Healthcare's CEO

David and Joy explore a path outside of the US

What do David's parents think

What to Joy's parents think

Poker Story - Meeting a Whale

Joy gets some important news

PATRONS: You can get this audio in your podcast app by going to patreon.com/davechen, going to the "My Membership" section, and copying and pasting the RSS link to your podcast app.

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Brad Sucks

Hoping the best for you, Joy!

Nizar B

Have really been anticipating this update only to learn wtf has been happening bc it sounds like a shit storm(?) Much love in advance!

Derek Cheng

If the Whale just wants a sense of community and thrills, maybe we can get him on the Patreon. I’m sure Dave can make some poker chips.

Mark Griffith

Enjoy these as always. My wife was not feeling well - and so I went to go see a movie - and heeding the reviews of Gladiator 2 - I was going to go see The Return - but with no decent times I drove into Seattle to see The Order - no only was it beautifully shot (some of those low depth of field shots that change focus with the door opening were amazing) but it was also a great taut movie - and - Jude Law was Mr. Sexy Muscle Mustache man! I hope Joy finds some solutions - so many take their health foregranted.

Nizar B

Much love post-listening too! We're wishing you, Joy, the best with the medical followups. I'll dm a hobby that's helped my wife recently. Also wishing your whole family the best with the future-planning.

Stephen David Miller

Was going to skip The Order this year because no convenient showtimes were left, but this podcast convinced me otherwise! Heading there now.

Joy o Napping

Thanks for your kind words! As for seeing this movie in Seattle: it was quite shocking how much takes place here that I had never heard of.

Carole M

Listening on Monday, I hope the call has already come in! As a prolific starter and quitter of hobbies, I can recommend a few: Reading a very long book series that is already complete Needlepoint for beginners Coloring in coloring books (or actually drawing, if you have that skill, which I do not) Attempting recipes from GBBO

Curtis

As someone who lives in Victoria, BC and has shifted my residency back and forth to the USA (New York) and Canada several times because of work situations, I was curious about a solution that did not seem to be implicit in the discussions. I have listened to Americans talk about "moving abroad" in more contexts than just this episode, and for varying reasons beyond the reasons given in this episode. Victoria is in Canada, which has universal healthcare and a generally more liberal climate than America (even during eras when the Canadian Conservative Party is in power). Victoria is on Vancouver Island, which is one ferry ride away from downtown South Lake Union, or a few other spots like Port Angeles. My extended family who moved here in the '30s, '40s and '50s actually kind of split into factions some who were Canadian in BC and some who were American in Bellingham, Seattle and Washington. The town of White Rock, BC, is 5 minutes from the American border and a drive down to Seattle. All this is to say, the reality of my life as someone living in BC within a few miles of the Washington border presents a kind of "relative casualness" with which I believe someone could move their life from Washington to BC. Relative is an operative word. There is still learning about TFSAs instead of 401ks, getting visas to work, switching from Wells Fargo to RBC or TD banks and all of the cross-country stuff which is not trivial. But if you lived in BC, you could see family in Washington easily twice a month, if not 4 times a month by driving or taking a ferry. I would bet there are people who live in West LA and East LA who see each other less often than some people who want to see each other in BC/WA I know people who have dated for years across the border. And the Canadian dollar is weak. Americans bringing USD will have great purchasing power. When someone talks about "permanently moving abroad" it conjures up a connotation — a connotation much like leaving Taiwan forever and coming to America. And often this is the case. But it doesn't have to be this way. Moving abroad doesn't have to be a new life in suburban Lisbon learning Portuguese, or getting used to the strange ways of the South of France, nor does it have to be a life across oceans in Australia. I can look out my window, in a city that is very much like parts of the American Pacific Northwest, and see Washington, with my eyes. Mount Baker is right there. As I have been with Americans who consider moving abroad I offer a solution that seems like it should be "top of mind" but maybe isn't What about Canada? As I have said to Detroiters - why not Windsor? To New Yorkers - why not Montreal or Toronto? To Californians - ok well there is nothing like Southern California in Canada but Kelowna is closest. Right now, I literally know a Seattle-based knowledge worker/tech media industry couple who are moving to Victoria, BC for political and personal reasons. The idea that they will be taxingly far away from friends and family in an irrevocable and permanent way has not come up. They plan to just take a quick flight, seaplane, drive or ferry whenever they want to go back to Seattle, probably once or twice a month. If family is on the West Coast further down (Portland to San Diego) flights are still pretty reasonable to and from Vancouver or Victoria. What about Canada? Selfishly as a listener, I would love a Dave on Dave opinion or a Joy opinion on this. I want to hear the bear case/devil's advocate reason why this is not the obvious top scenario to make moving abroad feel like moving one town over.

Joy o Napping

Thank you. Thé call did come on Monday 😭😭😭😭😭 so you brought me good luck!!

David Chen

I’d love to have Canada as an option but as far as I understand there’s no easy path to a visa of some kind

Hayley

The day after the election, I talked a Canadian immigration law firm. I work in Detroit so I’m in a very lucky position since plenty of people live in Windsor and commute to work in the US every day. Dave, as a creative, you may have more options than you think, especially if you have a Canadian colleague who can attest to the value you add. Different provinces are welcoming different types of professionals so it’s worth doing a deep dive. Next, I’m going to connect with a Canadian realtor. Just getting prepared and putting a plan in place.