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#235: The Sibyl Lives on Gasoline (Patreon)

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With David Lynch in the coal-tar dream.

Rulin's family is trying to rebuild.

Amjad's family is trying to get back home.

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K

hell yeah dog it's real D/C hours

Torgeir Tannenwald

1.08.43 "one of the reasons I love improvised music... There is no hiding" Kimbra saying "Afriki" while scatting on John Legends Made for Love

agentmule

“For here, in the great and shining expanse of progress, the past does not linger, nor is it remembered—it is only dismantled, brick by brick, temple by temple, beneath the crushing wheels of a future that tolerates no delay, no hesitation, no trace of what came before.” -Krasznahorkai

Nathan

Legit just listened to the other ep you played Dedication in earlier this week, and have been on a Dolphy kick since. I thought patreon was fucking up when I heard it come on at the beginning of this one lmao. Must be in the air. Another banger. Take care of yourself to whatever extent you can, we appreciate you🫡

Heath Iverson

I know your thoughts on Infinite Jest, but what do you think of DFW’s attempt to define “Lynchian”? Follow on: in his Lynch essay, Wallace talks about the formative importance of Lynch to his, Wallace’s, literary cohort interested in pursuing an Avant-Garde tradition in letters. I anticipate your answer regarding Wallace as an aesthetic heir to Lynch (he’s not) but it has me wondering if you think there are any contemporary literary analogs to Lynch as a filmmaker.

Dr. Buttcheeks

A few years ago I attended a workers’ compensation seminar for attorneys. It was held in a gaudy ball room of a chain hotel and had a few hundred attendees. On the last morning, they played an “in memoriam” presentation for everyone who had died on the job that year throughout the state, and for reasons I still don’t understand, someone felt that every slide should include, in addition to the deceased person’s name and age, the manner of their death. So, I shit you not, an enormous room at 8am full of shabby, coffee-breathed attorneys “ooh”ing and “ahh”ing to “Dave Adams, 26, Crushed By Machinery.” It was the only experience I’ve ever called “Lynchian.”

John Waaben

Donated to Rulin and reshared the new link.

Connor Reynolds

It wasn't snow white or sleeping beauty, it was beauty and the beast

Sage

Despite the many parallels and intersections between Pynchon and Lynch's work I had never really considered Laura Palmer as a Slothropian character before but it checks out. I've generally privileged the "innocents abroad"/bildungsroman aspect as being key to Slothrope's character, likely too much it seems. What are some of your favorite Slothropian characters or some literary antecedents to Slothrope? I've keep coming back to Candide (not Pilgrim's Progress) as the real precursor there. With the elect are on top, how could it be anything but the "best of all possible worlds"?

Benjamin West

Great episode! IA has the booklet for Third Rail Screamin' but not the audio :https://archive.org/details/cd_third-rail-screamin_various/Various%20Artists%20%281989%29%20Third%20Rail%20Screamin%27/IMG_0004.jpg A couple of the tracks are scattered around such as track four posted here https://soundcloud.com/pat-cisarano/do-the-right-thing?in=pat-cisarano%2Fsets%2Fblues-woman I'm gonna do a more thorough search for the whole album when I get home, and I'll check back in if I find anything.

NYCM&AHole

Totally unrelated to the subject of the episode (haven’t listened yet) but I want to a vintage Marshall just so I can install one of the crazy mods like the Mr Scary tube tweaks. Probably sacrilege but yeah.

Tempeh Ranchero

Another banger sir. I picked up point of departure after you talked about it on an older episode, thank you for putting that into my brain 🙏🏼

Jack

I just wanna draw a quick connection. Ecofeminism correlates the way dominator culture treats the Earth with the way it treats women. Lynch's depictions of industrial violence and sexual violence seem like an expression of this to me.

Jon Spiegler

Putting in a word for Andrew Hill’s Compulsion

Tyson Settle

Do you have any thoughts on Stockhausen and or Hymnen in particular as it pertains to your ideas around the fourth Reich, Bowie, and David Lynch?

Dan Z

Glad to hear you're a moderate. Feels pretty good at a happy medium:^)

Iwan Heneghan

Great episode. Oneiresis (I guess that’s how you’d spell it?) is definitely a useful concept. There’s a bit in a Žižek book where he explains how Freud’s work on dreams is so often misunderstood as a boring, simple translation of the manifest content into the hidden latent concept, but the actually important (and generally overlooked) part is the “dream work”: the part which actually mediates between the manifest content and latent content, that basically is the creative part of the mind that forges the connections between the “manifest” and “latent” which is actually what Freud was trying to get at and understand when interpreting dreams. It seems similar to what you’re saying about shallow ideas about what’s “Lynchian” (or “Kafkaesque” while we’re at it, too) as just weird/confusing or some bland, stale kind of symbolism rather than symptomatic (for want of a better term) of an internal logic which the artwork/movie/novel has in its own right and which you have to try to figure out if you actually want to understand/experience it at all for what it actually is rather than just experience some preformed idea you’re just projecting on to it

elle

🖤

Louie Van Patten

I've been a working artist for about 15 years and I've definitely experienced things like "food insecurity," so that bit about taking food out of your own mouth has me spiraling.

Michael McGroarty

Michael, an unprompted and irrelevant bit of gratitude. You replied to me a couple episodes back about Brian Catling (and a lot of other stuff). I bought Conductors of Chaos, read The Stumbling Block its Index, re and reread it, still rereading it. And then, like a glove of darkness slipping off a dove, I sourced copies of all of Catling’s books: Bobby Awl, Late Harping and A Court of Miracles. I can’t produce any mental images or sounds in my mind (can’t hear my own thoughts), I live in a deafblindness that’d be maddening if not for language. It’s been a fucking wretched week and knowing some of Brian’s strange, gorgeous, dense poetry is wending its way through the days toward me provides me with great relief, truly. Without poetry, I’d be mute. Thank you. I can’t wait to listen to this as soon as the black gunsmoke empties out my mouth.

poblano pepper union

Michael, you've already shared so many great words on many of Lynch's best works, but I would love to hear you spend some time in coming episodes with with Inland Empire, as I think that film distills many of of the qualities that you've been highlighting into one single strong Finnegans Wake-like brew. The subjugating treatment of women as dead currency within and without Hollywood, the oneiric nesting egg format of dreams within dreams, the inherently destabilizing & dangerous nature of recorded media, and the breaking down of the trappings of realism as a form - its all there in glorious consumer-grade digital video.

No

I think “I saw the TV Glow” and “Queer” have to be the most David Lynch like movies I’ve seen. I saw the TV Glow in particular heavily takes from Lynch in some regard but uses that same horror lynch depicts to relate to the trans or psychotic experience in a way that no other movie has hurt as bad on. It’s the hurt and the communication of that hurt that really defines it like you say

Philip Wailes

Love the Andrew Hill at the beginning, as a jazz musician who only recently began to “get” him. Black Fire and Andrew!!! are also incredible records. His approach to harmony is wild, like every chord is voiced so precisely each one could really be interpreted as a few different “chords” especially depending on what the bass happens to be doing at any given moment. Almost like chromatic bebop lines condense and played all at once. Sort of a continuation of the Monk thing into more modal/oblique territory. Love his music so much.

Riley San Nicolas

Really appreciate your take on "realism". Especially in film, from indies to big budget, so many filmmakers use various forms of "realism" as a substitute for having anything interesting to say, plus it's an aesthetic that has easily attainable cultural currency that let's mediocre fluff compare way too favorably to great art. On an unrelated note, was wondering if you had any intentions on doing episodes on either Bleeding Edge or Against the Day?

Fr0id

Your talks about Lynch and seeing this little interaction have me thinking. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4y5BfLqdMeI Roger Ebert “confronts” lynch and says he plans to watch mulholland drive frame by frame over a weekend in order to understand it. Lynch says “you already understand it” and advises him to have some good coffee on hand. “You already understand it is I think the perfect way to look at everything lynch has done, because we understand “real” things. We understand the atomic bomb as how the greatest generation won wwii. We understand the atomic bomb as a war crime. We understand the atomic bomb as a necessary evil. We understand the atomic bomb as the material result of science. We understand the atomic bomb as a what started the Cold War. We understand the atomic bomb as opening a portal to the end of the world. We understand the atomic bomb as a a cool thing in Oppenheimer. We understand the atomic bomb as a horrible thing in Oppenheimer. We understand the atomic bomb while having almost no knowledge of its material implications or material causes. When we see a real thing, there is no “right” way to view it (I don’t mean this as moral relativism, some things are patently evil, but the atomic bomb is obviously something debated). It is just there for us to witness and think about. We may laugh, we may cry, we may be angry, we may be happy. But it exists beyond emotions. Like the atomic bomb. Infinite emotions and reactions. And it snuffs out so many more. Destroying meaning through death and destruction. And I think that’s the real fear of lynch: all of these deeply personal and real people could be destroyed in an instant. The background to this perfectly crafted soap opera of twin peaks. It could all end at any time, completely erased.

Mike Kiley

Your thoughts on Lynch and the act of creation brought this Ken Layne quote to mind: "I never cared much about the plots or how realistic the dialogue was supposed to come across or whatever. That’s not why I read fiction. And I mostly don’t read fiction anymore because I don’t believe it. I don’t believe any work of fiction or poetry or screenplay or lyrics that didn’t come down like a hammer out of the sky and wallop some poor sap right in the head. I don’t believe false prophets. I don’t believe the ones who make it up. I don’t believe anybody on the tv the internet on paper on the radio unless I have the strong feeling they are telling the truth because they have no choice in the matter." -Ken Layne, Desert Oracle podcast, “Embracing Mortality, with Erik Davis,” April 2 2020

Tony

It’s all a big Loosh farm

peter

Who sings the outro song?

Jaime Christley

I was pumping my fucking fist in the air when you said that part about the data bubble. I've had my marker on that for 2-3 years at this point. It makes the industry-wide embrace of AI slop machines make so much more sense because all these companies are looking at the huge vats of data they've been harvesting/packaging/selling and saying "uhhhhhh...... there's absolutely no way to know what the fuck to do with all of this, so uhhh, why not let Deep Chat Grok have a turn?" And when that comes a cropper, it's not gonna be them holding the bag.

Nic Bodiford

Michael, can you talk more about Formica and the ant mother’s head?

K

Get the lynch round table together!