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#234: Flowers for al-Jolan (Q&A pt. 2) (Patreon)

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I'm having experimental brain surgery to make me the president of Syria. RIP, dear David Lynch.

Help Rulin and Amjad rebuild their families' lives after the ceasefire

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Baily McDaniel

Good morning. Smoking on a spiritual cig🚬

d'dialectical

Please please please can you go all in on Lynch in your next few eps. Genuinely knocked for 6 at his passing. Would love to hear your take on all the paranormal/supernatural aspects in Lynch's work; specifically the jumping man in TP, Robert Blake in LH, The old couple in MD and whoever else

Rosie Clarke

I love the way you say Edinburgh

NYCM&AHole

Not a fan of haggis or the Scottish breakfast?

Scott

It's not Lara Flynn Boyle, it's Moira Kelly. And I'm not here to be pedantic about that, but it presents an opportunity to wonder out loud something that I've wondered about for a long time: Is that exact scene the reason Lara Flynn Boyle didn't do the movie?

James Bradley

My bad big Mike. I think David Berman was p coool.

Wojtek

Really appreciated your answer to my question. I think you nailed the difference between Irish and Polish Catholicism, where the Irish still on some level believe the suffering is a means to an end, and in Polish Catholicism, the suffering *is* the point. It's an absolutely fascinating convergence of historical and sociological and religious factors that led to possibly one of the most oppressive systems of metaphysics in the modern world. Re: the Polish Christ, unfortunately there isn't a lot of good English-language research on this, but anyone interested should look up the "Christ of Europe" doctrine or Polish messianism. Long story short, the main belief is that the partitions of Poland in the late 18th century were sort of a metaphysical ritual akin to Christ's crucifixion, whereby the sins of the World (= Europe) were absolved; but the other part of it is that - just as Christ was resurrected and ascended to Heaven - Poland is supposed to return to glory. And depending on who you ask, that still hasn't happened... yet. And honestly I think this neurosis is a non-insignificant factor in the direction Polish foreign policy has been and is heading. "We are due a fucking win, god damn it, after all we've done for you people" that sort of thing. And yeah the Borat-ass Jew with a Coin Good Luck Charm is absolutely a real thing unfortunately lol. One thing you might not have known is that traditionally, some people would turn the painting or sculpture upside down on Sabbath, when "The Jew is Resting", so that money and good fortune may "fall out of the Jew's pockets and upon your household". I promise I'm not making that up.

No

I think the only movie that came close to the emotional gut punch of fire walk with me was Monster by Hirokazu Koreada. It just hurts

Dan Z

Yesterday my mom was telling me "you gotta watch The Straight story". Never heard anything about that particular Lynch film. Do people like it?

d'dialectical

Everyone goes on about lost highway soundtrack; fwwm blows it out of the water imo

Sean Daugherty

Would love to hear more about your fox guides

Rob Dag

Fleabag priest

David Bond

Lolol I thought the swans one was a Felix style bird question at first. They're fine, prefer storks...

Iammax

Thank you for sharing that story. That's fucking beautiful. What a lovely little oddball of a character Mr. Lynch was. Truly a gift.

Trout Mask Original

Holy shit man. I just chased down Hiromi and Cick Corea and their live at the Blue Note album(s) is(are) mind-blowingly good. Thank you for that -- and for everything else you share my brother.

Chris

Wish I would have asked what you think of Jokic's game and more specifically since you're a Steph guy, what influence do you think Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf had on his game but alas, next time. Also, just wanted to say that I am very happy that you did start doing this and you're one person I feel that I very much get what you say most of the time and you actually make me think differently and more in depth about pretty much everything. My wife and I are embarking on a little creative project together and I can entirely say that without the likes of you, Matt Christman and Matt from Ghost Stories that would not be happening so thank you.

K

i forgot to bring this up yesterday, but was reminded again by what you said on the show about Lynch's generosity as an artist. the attitude that he has about his own work, that quote of his, "the film is the talking," reminds me a lot of something Pound said in one of his literary essays - "An 'idea' has little value apart from the modality of the mind which receives it." what gives great art its staying power is the way it insists upon being constellated, and Lynch understood that on a cosmic level.

NickCaveAndTheSadGreebs

edinburgh is great because you can literally see the layers of construction from various different eras and ages just built on top of each other. i think a small part of the design and layout of the city was influenced david hume advocating for that exact sort of preservation of the landscape and topography that you mentioned, though i cant remember the details. and of course the old parts of the city are used as the basis for depictions of victorian and georgian london in film, tv, games etc. more than any actual part of london ever is lol

nadia

24 year old who still uses tumblr 🖐️ msj vindicated

Bob Mycelium

Thank you for the incredible eulogy for David Lynch. Could not agree more with you about FWWM being a truly haunted and infinitely valuable film. May the daemon Lynch continue his games of skill in the other place.

Headbuttbuffet

Told shawty to meet me at the civil war graveyard at 4am to see the scary lights, callin it a spooky call instead of a booty call

Headbuttbuffet

Foxes are typically tricksters in myth right? Maybe it’s some pseudo entity (or something less tangible) trying to check on you and keep the pulled wool over your eyes, “don’t look at the man behind the curtain” sort of deal. Have you ever put thought into what it means/if you’ve rationalized what you think it means?

The Portrait of F. H.

Are the two jazz books you mentioned Lewis Porter’s ‘John Coltrane: His Life and Music’ and Gary Giddins' ‘Visions of Jazz: The First Century’? They fit the descriptions you gave, except the Coltrane one is from about a decade before you mentioned. The Giddins one really is the best book on jazz imo. Due a reread of both

Mortimer Clue

Jim Caviezel from Passion of the Christ and The Thin Red Line is also Romansch

elle

(maybe?) the other side of the dirty-in-your-soul feeling that living through that sort (all sorts, really) of abuse is an understanding that the psychic wound left behind demands to be healed, and will not let us be until the healing has run its course until then, we are doomed to repeat the original trauma or it kills us it's rough

agentmule

"Go start your own band" –Big Boys

Byron’s Glowing Filament

Thank you for answering the question! Gives me validation that I did the right thing because that’s similar to what I taught them using Lot 49 as the text to teach it (which was “totally” an approved text that I definitely ran through the appropriate district mediums to get approved and totally didn’t just get my own copies of and pass out). Basically, if I get fired I get fired. But luckily my department at the high school is very supportive of me going around the traditional policy. They’ve warned me I could get penalized if a parent complained, but… idk, it’s not that I’m stupid and just don’t care about my job, but tbh I just can’t help myself… And a thanks to you for warping my world with this podcast and giving me the idea to teach that novel to fucking high schoolers in the first place. You’ve changed my life and (hopefully) theirs indirectly.

Horseloverfat

As far as contemporary jazz adjacent rock, I wonder if you’ve ever listened to Wendy Eisenberg. One time friend of mine whose guitar playing/songwriting is both melodically and technically very interesting, at least to my relative lay-ears — she’s constantly misdirecting in ways that make me smile and feel strange. I know she’s done a bunch of work with John Zorn.

Scott

No I WILL NOT shut my whore mouth! Hehe. I knew that would trigger you. And I'd be dishonest if I didn't say I was kinda hoping it would just so you'd read my question. Just for clarification though, I did not mean it from a technical standpoint. I meant that Zappa, like DFW, is a figure who many consider a genius, and just as many consider a hack. He, like DFW, is the sort of artist that one has on their shelf because they genuinely like the guy, but also have to add little guilty caveats to guests who notice it on your shelf. Always thought this was an interesting article: https://www.avclub.com/can-you-be-a-fan-of-frank-zappa-but-not-his-music-1820520135

John Waaben

What’s your favorite bird Michael? And which ones do fellow commenters enjoy? I love warblers and hummingbirds, but kingfishers are badass

Orge Georgwell

LOL just seeing the title of this episode before listening - dying.

Dan Z

Is Brace a Pynchon character?

Brian

As a teenager in Missouri (Springfield, specifically) in the late 80’s/early 90’s, Fugazi was such a fucking godsend. You get it.

Ben

You were dismissive of the question re: David Jones’ Catholicism but Jones didn’t inherit the faith nor was he Welsh, properly speaking. He was born in Kent and lived in or around London the majority of his life. His father was Welsh but didn’t speak the language. Those were both imaginative choices he made. I think Jones was in his 20s when he converted. Definitely after the War. Much like, though in a much more intelligent way, those supposedly trad left/right types you talked about on previous episode he was part of a milieu that sought an alternative to modernity or capitalism or whatever the fuck you want to name it. There was his craftsman work with Eric Gill and co. but maybe the prime intellectual force behind it was Christopher Dawson. He corresponded with Eliot. He mentions Spengler more than a few times in his letters. To say: the choice of Catholicism as a controlling framework and perhaps ultimate meaning form wasn’t incidental or ancillary to his thought. Don’t get the sense he would be militant about it in any way but it wasn’t a thoughtless act either. Also, I tried to find the essay by Bernard Knox you mentioned was the introduction to the Fagles’ translation of the Oresteia but all the Penguin editions seem to have an intro written by Fagles and W. B. Stanford. The title of the essay is ‘The Serpent and the Eagle’ and has an epigraph by Hart Crane. So I was thinking that might be the one.

CT

Knowing you were a straight edge fugazi fan, even though at the height of their powers, I was not… is a truly sweet and endearing thing to know about you.

Escheloned Confusions

Thank you for doing more Q&A episodes, I always love these. Have you ever listened to Mats/Morgan Band? They're a weirdo jazz fusion duo -- Mats plays keyboard, Morgan plays drums -- from Sweden that I love. My favorite album of theirs is called "On Air With Guests," which is a semi-live album they did for a Swedish TV show called "Trum". Their drummer Morgan Agren uploaded the Trum episode with all of the performances here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5SpdgWwPiw. Mats and Morgan also performed on the Frank Zappa tribute album Zappa's Universe -- Zappa was very impressed with their skill as players and once invited them to perform with him at one of Zappa's shows in Sweden. Also, I was wondering if you ever listen to any more extreme genres of music like metal? Sure, a lot of metal is embarrassing crap, but I think this album Obscura by Gorguts (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1X0Bejwnko), which came out in 1998, is incredible and really pushed the boundaries of what rock music (broadly construed) could sound like, and no one's really sounded like this since (including Gorguts themselves!)

Romulus V. Snakehead

Something I didn't think of: In your time in Texas, did you ever come to my hometown of San Antonio, and if so, what did you think of it?

GP

Thanks for acknowledging the whole thing with M. Gira... Been wondering what uh... What happened there. Some of Swans' stuff was foundational in my getting into weirder music when I was young (that and Foetus) but I've fallen out of love with them over time in a huge way, and that stuff with M. Gira was a big part of that

Shunning Ground

This was why Lynch always appealed as someone with that kind of background you speak of, thanks for elucidating to others. It's a world hidden away, "black bile and garbage" swept under the rug, cause nobody ever wants to hear it from those who experience it themselves. Maybe they'd feel bad for a moment

This is Pharmacist

Everyone has personal stories about David Lynch. My favorite one is that I went to see Lost highway at the cinema on a college campus when it first premiered (of course my podunk town got the film months later but...) and the projectionist ran the film in wrong aspect ratio meaning it was extremely squashed and tall and I thought it was supposed to be like that when I saw it again because I saw it three times while in the cinema. They had corrected it on the very last showing and I can say without a doubt I was confused but accepted that. David Lynch would make a film squashed and tall. Footnote: I listened to that soundtrack every night for weeks while sleeping on the floor of my closet, yes I was a teen so normal behavior...

Anthony

Babe, wake up, new experimental brain surgery just dropped

Karl Childers

Multiple threads here got me thinking about Terence McKenna, someone for whom I doubt Michael has much respect and who others here may suspect of being a fed, not without some cause. On the subject of psychedelics, after going through a phase with them myself (hence my familiarity with McKenna) it seems to me they offer a kind of demo version of visionary consciousness for people who aren't actual visionaries. Those of us who are not blessed and cursed with an uninterruptible deluge of ideas can poke our heads into that stream with a tab of acid, though without the artistic practice to capture and manipulate those ideas I can't say it amounts to much for most people. McKenna is probably the first person I encountered who drew attention the prevalence of recording supplanting actual experience. I recall him laughing about the prevalence of television and the unintentionally ironic justifications for it made by well-meaning people, namely "it's such a good way for kids to learn about nature!" I also recall a pairing of his many catchphrases, "build your own roadshow" and "do not consume," advocating for exactly the kind of DIY artistic sincerity described here with reference to Fugazi. Someone who, despite his numerous flaws, did give me a push in the right direction at a malleable point in my life.

Jaime Christley

Not wishing to be parasocial (I don't even like being regular social) but after the election I had to take a break from the show - I was in a real, real fuckin bad place for at least a few weeks and I felt I had to do some juggling with what media I was letting myself inhabit. But I'm glad to be back in the D/C army. Great words on Lynch. Hope you're good.