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#282: Electric Fence for Resurrection Man (Paganism and the Logic of Metaphor, pt. 5) (Patreon)

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K

OH MY GOD LET'S GO

MRSAful Fate

Unrelated to this discussion but i have no one else to share it with: I was walking through the park and reading Gravity's Rainbow on a beautiful spring morning a few weeks ago when a bird took a huge shit right on the page I was reading. It came as close to my forehead as possible without actually hitting it and splashed across the open book. Page 127, to be exact. And you know what? I don't know exactly how, but I think that kinda thing fits in nicely with everything I've been trying to do lately.

Matt

I have been waiting 3 years for this video!!!! Thank you Michael!

Gholson Lyon

Good episode. I would like to hear more about what the various pagan entities like Athena were meant to be doing or symbolizing via Homer, etc.... You made this argument here and in prior episodes, but adding further details to this would be super helpful. On a different note, I do remember sitting in Sunday school class when I was around 10 years of age, thinking exactly about how the hell God said "let there be light" in the complete void and nothingness in a time before any possible language, etc... But, I also agree that I have been brainwashed my whole life into saying many stock phrases, so I thank you for continuing to jolt me and others here. I am finally in the last 100 pages of Gravity's Rainbow, which is just an all-encompassing and shocking piece of work that I wish I had read 20 years ago. But, better late than never, at age 52 now. I also finally got around to watching Salo by Pasolini, after seeing some of his other films. The coprophagia there and in GR were both equally shocking to me, but I have yet to find any super-helpful analysis of the sadomasochism in GR, in case anyone else wishes to comment or refer me to some essay on that topic. Thanks as always for your insights on everything!

Nosreffej

The Mars Volta in the house!! So cool to hear that you are into them. I was at an Rx Bandits show in 2008ish and a guy next to me told me i had to check them out and i instantly fell in love.

Oatmeal

Fuck yes knew it was coming. Never count out the judge.

Wrenn

Fantastic ep, thank you brother. Already sent the missus a You gotta listen to this one text. Isn’t this why so many Bible people get a little crazy over the theology of John? Certain you’ve talked about that but can’t remember. Been reading ‘What Color is the Sacred?’ so my ears perked up when you mentioned that >:)

Nathan

I was raised in the ancient and distinguished Protestant tradition of God being a guy who knew when you jacked off or said fuck, and jotted it down in his notebook

George Spafford

Better mfer sermons than Al Green @corpseinorbit

Molly Kiely

"...my role was to try to keep her awake by endlessly talking..." Last month I drove from Tucson to Saint Louis and back relistening (again) to your logic of metaphor, synthesis/control, Bowie, and Lynch episodes -- and I remained awake! I am very glad that you are still with us, Michael. Thank you for part 5.

Mike Humowitz

MSJ, what are your thoughts on William Blake’s book length poems, like Jerusalem, Milton, Book of Los, etc.? It seems like everyone reads Songs of Innocence and Experience, then maybe Marriage of Heaven and Hell, and ignores the rest. Interesting how famous Blake is yet most of his poetry is under-read and under-discussed. Also, can you say anything about Iain Sinclair and William Blake? Iain also loves Blake and Blake’s Jerusalem is apparently an influence on Suicide Bridge.

Torgeir Tannenwald

The first 5 minutes brought to mind the norse origin myth from Edda, of the gods and the humans born out of the giant Yme, killing him, dismemberibg him and creating the Midgard from his corpse, the sky dome from his skull, etc.

K

Rabbinic tradition's understanding is that all of the teachings found in the Torah (both written and oral) were given by God through the prophet Moses, some at Mount Sinai and others at the Tabernacle, and all the teachings were written down by Moses, which resulted in the Torah that exists today. According to the Midrash, the Torah was created prior to the creation of the world, and was used as the blueprint for Creation. —https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torah I wanna say its in gershom sholem’s on the mystery of the Godhead where he says God’s secret name is the alphabet

David

an all timer MJ. Just curious, were you thinking about Charles Olson at all while talking about God & the Word? I read the Maximus Poems for the first time earlier this year and while I"m far from "getting it" whatever that means, his brief line in one of the late poems about the a priority of breath brought together so much of what he's doing and frankly struck me as accurate across any number of levels, be they the vibrating waves that make up the universe, the orality of poetry before the invention of writing, "fiat lux", or "In the beginning there was the word, and the word was with God and the word was God" if I'm recalling the gospels correctly. also, speaking of poetry, here's hoping someone out there is still doing it correctly, finding ways outside of the labrynthine morass of the cliche. (knicks in 6)

ersatzennui w/ george quartz

Some of my finest memories include a stint as guitar tech for Harlequin Leprosy from April 1996 until December 1999, when, shockingly, the entire band committed ritual suicide at the impending Y2K disaster that never came. Their album “1900 Apocalypse” delves into the band’s unique ideology. Other than their bizarre and tragic demise, they were really sweet guys and huge party animals. Especially Richie, the bass player. Taught me how to roller skate backwards and told me it was a form of time travel.

Gooch Immane

RIP and nevar fergitt to Ian Murphy of the Buffalo Beast, who took the time and effort to drive across the country to troll Mr. Ham and the Creationist museum by cosplaying as an intensely special needs fella

Duncan McLachlan

On language preexisting God there's John 1:1, "In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God and the word was God."

Combusken

Michael, we need another you and your brother NBA episode before the finals start

Roberto Andrés Lantadilla

Fuck I didn't know that Jeff Lynne song but I was blown away by how much it must have influenced Elliott Smith "A distorted reality is now a necessity to be free"

recovering.slothrop

That intermission track is really interesting. Can we listen to it in full somewhere? What's the name by which we can find it?

recovering.slothrop

You aught to make another playlist for this language of metaphor, M.

Joel Blackstock

A LOT of this episode has direct Edward Edinger's Ego and Archetype. Eg. Drawings of children drawing the self as a circle at earl ages, then bifurcating it into quadrants at later ages and then adding details. He contrasts that with civilizations architectural attempts to meet God as the notion of God matures. Overall idea is that the literal objective part of the brain tries to imperialise the subjective metaphorical center of self in pathological individuals and spcietoes. Ever read it?

Lain

Hi, can you recommend some books about paganism and the sort of ideas you were talking about in this series? Really happy about part 5!

Jack of all Fades

How you characterized the average American language/lexicon/word usage as "regime language" really illuminated it for me. As a nation the post Warhol through today sense of cultural reproduction in the arts has been abysmal for myraid reasons. its really just one facet of the wider project of cultural reproduction you mention in regards to language.

Kawaii Leonard

It is interesting to consider the ways that I, as both a somewhat manipulative person and a “people pleaser,” use idioms and cliches to tell people what they want to hear. Survival mechanism? Learned behavior? I guess we all do it.

Jaime Christley

Us hack writers have a saying sometimes: How am I going to know what I mean until I see what I said? In short I’m a firm believer that language (writing, speaking, whatever) creates thinking rather then the other way around. Can’t go with you all the way with that tangent about presets. Makes everyone but you sound like they’ve been body-snatched. Great episode otherwise. (Look if I didn’t have something to bitch about, they’d say I was unhappy.)