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In part 2 of a 3-part series originally intended to be a single episode until we realized we could talk for 38 straight hours about this stuff, ordained minister and former Royal Canadian Mounted Police explosives technician Dan Boeckner (@danboeckner) – of Wolf Parade, Operators, Handsome Furs, and more – joins MSJ to discuss the true social turbulence of the 1960s: 

Concerts getting bigger.  Hey hey my my.  The relationship between wattage, volume, headroom, and distortion. The tweed, brown, blonde, and black periods of Fender.  PA systems, and the fact that what the band hears onstage is never what you hear in the audience.  How to get the sound of a cranked 10-watt amp but with 100 watts behind it.  And, finally, the incromulent despond of the early titans Fender and Vox, and the rise of the New Titans: Marshall in the east, Mesa/Boogie in the west.

CORRECTION: Oh fuck!  I said "Rumble" was by Duane Eddy.  Duane was a pioneer in his own right, but "Rumble" was LINK WRAY, not Duane.  Listen to both of them.

(Editorial note: Sorry I talk so goddamn much in this one.  We thought we were going to finish up in this show, so the plan was for me to lead the first half and have Dan take the second, but the first half took 2 hours.  Dan will, we hope, be the principal author of the next and final installment, where a $5,000 Centaur frolics through the dewy vales and lush vegetation of downtown Boston.)

(Editorial note #2: I considered referring to Eric Clapton as "Eric Cartman" for the whole show, but somebody might've gotten genuinely baffled.  Also, notice how small Mick Jones's Mesa/Boogie Mark I is in that photo, compared to a Jimmy Page Marshall stack.  They can roar down anything you put in front of ’em.)

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Kamran Husain

yo i played a fucking first act for a few years in middle school shit had a nice spider web print

Henry

thank you for bringing up Dead Man, that soundtrack is life changing

glenn mohre

I recorded using a mesa boogie mk 2 once. What a banging amp. I had been using a late 60s bassman at the time, with a blackface but is from the CBS years. I haven't really thought about this stuff for a while, but the flexibility of that amp blew me away at the time. I think we pushed it using a Super-Duper 2-in-1, a pedal I have come to love for many applications. This sounded best out of an Acoustic 4x12 I got for 50 bucks. I think the speakers are JBLs and they pump. https://imgur.com/a/5Y4gjYy First tube amp I owned. 400(500?) bucks, mid 2ks, with recent servicing. I forgot what turned me onto this amp.

8985

LOL

Izak Kennedy

Contact micing a nylon string acoustic then fucking it up with effects is fav pastime of mine. Are u a fan of converge? One of the most consistent and exciting bands of the new millennium imo. Enjoyed this one a lot very excited for the pedal episode 🙏🙏

Ross Griebenow

SVT's need to keep existing just for like SUNN O)))

Brandon Hoffman

admittedly i am willingly ignorant of how a good tube amp is supposed to operate and sound, but def had an aha moment when yall were talking silverfaces. only tube amps i’ve owned were a mid-70s silver bassman and a ‘78 or 9 ul twin...play in loud noisy prog bands with 5 other people so just needed things i can hear over 2 drummers. always knew deep down that any od/fuzz/distortion pedals sounded a bit assy and artificially pedally through them but couldn’t explain or understand why so thank ya for this. the last two episodes have been pretty crucial in grounding amp/gtr sounds and the shape of them in a reality with terms that aren’t so silly and nebulous and hippy dippy....like “i don’t know, it just sounds like thick water, maaaaaan.”

every man a kong

tried to make a song in the style of Korn before. it’s impossible. there’s nothing to isolate so it’s hard to imitate. it’s like a Velasquez painting where at a distance it looks solid and you can tell it’s him. but when you look close up there’s almost no paint on the canvas. it’s like vapor. this is probably because korn are the dumbest human beings to survive to adulthood. but i think that works in their favor with music. no inhibitions.

Sam

You dig the Santana album he did with Alice Coltrane too? Very very cool record

Dan Z

On the topic of guitar music that is really sonically surprising I think of the band Medicine. Brad Laner plays an extraordinarily piercing ultra distorted guitar sound. I think he passes the guitar through a tape recorder to make it sound a specific kind of shitty and often uses a slide and a crazy amount of wah. Listen to "Never Click" by Medicine to get a good idea of this. They sound like if you took MBV and put them in the desert.

Ivan Tribuzio

The passing mention of Nine Inch Nails and their weird ass guitar tone is interesting. I remember reading somewhere that on at least the Downward Spiral and probably Broken the guitar tracks were through a shitty zoom pedal directly into a then state of the art computer interface into Turbosynth. Which means it’s all really bad and rudimentary early digital modeling distortion. A so bad it’s good sort of thing