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#192: Paganism and the Logic of Metaphor, pt. 4 (Patreon)

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2023-07-07 16:14:26
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Autogenic glyph flesh breached cymatic star's sarcophagus of light; artificial language-meat observes real-time transactions in your checking account.

Consider hieron osteon; consider the bone luz.

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Tony

Michael have you read A Canticle for Leibowitz

Patrick!

Would love to hear an episode on some classic sci fi stuff, reading foundation rn and wanna hear a Judge opinion on it

r b

This white boy is cookin

Kamran Husain

dog they never getting me in the shock chair

Jaime Christley

I forget where I heard this but apparently Oppenheimer’s real words at Trinity were “Welp, I guess it works!”

Mark Murphy

At about 50 minutes you discuss Homer and Troy, then go onto describe how Troy is a real place that was found in modern day Turkey. Apparently several civilizations built upon that ground over the millennia. I dunno if you play video games, but there is a similar theme / narrative conceit in Bloodborne. Even if you don't play it yourself, there is a depth of videos and writing about it online. The narrative begins as a kind of post-apocalypse story by way of being alone in a hostile gothic city but reveals a much more horrifying character. You might like it!

Jaime Christley

This will surprise you exactly not at all, but concerning celeb death detail (or let's go with "lore" because come on), the sheer vastness of deatil about and around the death of James Dean JUST ON WIKIPEDIA is enough to make you feel as if you're hurtling earthward towards a quickly approaching sidewalk. I'm talking like JFK assassination heads your ass is On Notice. The Wiki coverage of Marilyn Monroe's death looks like a Taco Bell menu next to it.

Jace

It may seem a bit unrelated at first, but the content of this episode reminds me a lot of some of the writings of Michael Kirkbride for the video game Morrowind. Most specifically I am thinking of 'The 36 Lessons of Vivec', which are written as an in-universe religious text but, contra most video game lore, are actually very coherent and, to me at least, have a lot fo resonance with real religion/spirituality. Notable parallels to this episode include a focus on the role of the psychopomp god (the supposed author of the text) as a Hermetic god of violence, sex, and language (Vivec refers to themselves as 'the sex death of language') as well as a link between the root 'lex' with sky/lawgiver gods in the character of the goddess 'Almalexia', among many other things. I realize a piece of video game lore might be a hard sell to the audience of this show, but you can read the 36 lessons in less than an hour, and I think they give a very interesting perspective on this sort of material. Annotated versions can be found here at https://www.newwhirlingschool.com/

ggmacd

Update: since I put my life savings into Thunder, my investments have been yielding huge dividends of acorns -- my hogs have never been happier! Thanks, Mr. Judge!

Dan Z

I was listening to "Tonight's Decision" by Palace Music and he had this verse: I have heard death cry, I have heard him falter I have heard him lie and escape unscathed When he comes for me I will fuck him, oh I will waste him in my own way

stephen tucker

MSJ, you might want to explore your options with regards to Trans-cranial Magnetic Stimulation. I’m currently going through it and seem to be having good results, and I’ve only heard good stories from others who have done it. Skepticism understood, don’t know all your circumstances, not evangelizing just would feel remiss to not pass this along.

Jaime Christley

Considering the subject matter, it's fascinating how often you (more than probably any single podcaster out there) are self-compelled to make clarifications like "And when I say physical, I'm talking about actual 'physics'". Thinking of the way almost every English speaker on the planet uses "literally" (or, sometimes, "physically"!) to mean "emphasis here", with a committed ignorance of its component parts, whereas you would (or already have? can't recall) pause to make sure the listener understands that you're invoking "letters of scholarship" or "scripture"and whatnot. I'm trying to think of a good way to tie this into TrueAnon's fantastic recent episode on "Vanderpump Rules" with Sarah Sherman. Maybe there's no good transition - oh well. Anyway it had me picturing myself listening to the talk and processing it, and the combination of (a) having absolutely no idea who they were talking about and (b) being bowled over and tickled to a degree I can't recall being equalled, in recent podcast-listening memory, felt rather like some "ripping apart" that's analogous to being close enough to a black hole's accretion disk that you feel it whipping past your head --- or putting yourself super super close to a spinning saw blade. Maybe learning all about Vanderpump Rules and its associated topics as covered by the show would, at some point, find me on the other side of the event horizon, perfectly alright, not ripped to shreds, and in fact transformed into a newer, higher form of online being. Probably not, tho.

Ryan Delaney

hey MSJ. i was wondering if you had any thoughts on the transition from the greek titans to gods. its a hunch i havent tried to substantiate but it seems like the titans are by and large geological, inhuman forces, and the gods become patrons of actual human activities (hearth, birth, harvest) and forces of nature/culture closer to daily life. excited to see how you deal with the thunder-sky-father-law complex. thanks

Jacob Kotler

You are on a fucking roll with this series, guy 🫡🫡

Madra na Móna

Una grande salutazione di Giambattista Vico, bambino.

Bryan Welch

Today is the day I buy a delay pedal

Tyler Miller

When the guidos ask for the homeric standups😭

opal

commented this a few eps back but i gotta ask again: Dr. Judge, have you read Pavel Florensky??? all this stuff about the artificial isolation of the self resulting from the hegemony of scientific reason is spookily similar to the overall thesis of his work…might be a synchronicity idk

John Turnbull

at your best when you talk literature and language. this is what i'm here for

devils cherry

I LOVE this series so much! I have always been interested in religion & mythmaking just as much as politics. I don't think you can even separate the two. Was definitely missing this perspective in the podcasts I've found & this is just what I wanted. I was raised catholic too, I am not now. I love buddhist philosophy & have been trying to fit the glyphs of marxism ans buddhism together. If you are interested in buddhism at all you might enjoy Lajos Brons A Buddha Land In This World Philosophy, Utopia and Radical Buddhism

Kimya Ness

Is there any connection between Michael S. Judge and William Quan Judge?

John Waaben

Any acorn-heads out there? Favorite oaks? What we rocking with? I’m a Valley Oak (Quercus lobata) super-fan. Gotta love Coast Live Oaks too!

Biels Nohr

This sounds so random, but I would actually really enjoy hearing you elaborate on your experiences with Anubis. This seems to be less uncommon then I originally expected

Salt M. Bank

Michael, I've loved this series so far. Some thoughts on magic and time, inspired by your words and my own experiences. When discussing gods, we are after all talking about a whole constellation of associations, so forgive me for being a bit all over the place here. Hermes, or his Greek equivalent Mercury, is known for his connections to speed (both on foot and with speech), his role of psychopomp, travelers, as well as markets. Incidentally, Hermes/Mercury could be prayed to by both thieves and merchants. Even the words market and merchant share etymological roots with Mercury. In French, Wednesday is Mercredi, Mercury’s day. Our own Wednesday is comes from Wotan’s Day, or Odin’s Day (Onsdag in Scandinavian languages). In fact, the bulk of our days of the week are named after Norse deities. Sunday and Monday are the sun and the moon, the two wolves that chase each other across the sky, Tuesday is Tyr’s day, Wednesday we covered, Thursday is Thor’s Day, Friday is Freya or Frigg’s Day, and Saturday is the odd one out, being Saturnus’s day, but to bring it back to Michael’s talk, Saturnus is the Roman name for Cronus, aka Chronos. And it was the Romans, to my understanding, who created one of the earliest forms of western comparative mythology, wherein they would equate a god of a foreign land with their own. Thus, when they learned of Odin’s peculiar connections to language, magic, and the dead, they declared he must be some incarnation of their Mercury. Let’s go back to Hermes for a second, and his under-explored relationship to the book of genesis. A key part of Hermes’ iconography is his caduceus, a magic staff most commonly portrayed as two intertwined snakes, sometimes with two wings on top. In Hermes’ role as psychopomp, the staff has evoked many interpretations and explanations, with some saying the staff was used to guide the dead, or bring the dying a peaceful death, or one snake representing the overworld and the other snake the underworld. Asclepius, a mostly unrelated god of healing, carried a staff with one snake, but during WWII, a US Army graphic designer who hadn’t done his research* accidentally conflated the two staffs, which is why to this day, you still see some medical organisations utilising the caduceus rather than the rod of Asclepius. The irony works on multiple levels, what with war being a celebration of markets, and Mercury being a god of comMERCe. *Speaking of research I encourage anyone reading this to question my claims as I haven’t dove deep into these topics for quite some time and could be rusty on certain details. I love this series Michael, it's extremely my shit, the etymological connections you dig up are always such illuminating excavations.

snafujesus

No part 5? 4 is so strong

Michael McGroarty

This series has been exceptional, Michael. I travelled with some old, sweaty money in my hand to the 'Upgrade Membership' page because this is Top-Drawer, Highest-Quality, Aroma-of-Greatness work and the next Paper Fountain membership is $50, and my money tree is sick and tired of me. Any chance of an intermediary phase between being a dope Murdered Pharaoh and an Apocryphal Saint? Car-Park Monarch phase? I've taken my writing seriously since around the New Year and hearing you extemporise on language, etymology and love has, I believe, enriched my work to such a degree that I feel bereft sometimes because my recompense is so dismal in return. Thank you. I can't wait for Part 5. If speaking was akin to having a great ass I'd be saying "I'd kill for Judge's ass".

idiot.wisdom

I'd like to thank you for the series for two reasons. First, this has been brilliant and enlightening. You've fleshed out and tied together concepts, excerpts, ideas, and etymology to make a beautiful collage (glyph) that, in a way, made me mournful for what we've lost as a culture and also has encouraged me to look for ways to find god(s) in my own life. Second, and more importantly, throughout this series I had a sort of nagging feeling in the back of my mind. I kept intrusively seeing brief memories of a dear friend who died 6.5 years ago. He was a brilliant philosophy student and I spent many hours listening to him discuss and share his thoughts, musings, and writings. Your words carried him back to me in a way I have never experienced before. Thank you for helping me see, in the only way I am still able, a long departed friend.

Tyson Settle

Listening to this for the second time since it was put up. Holy fuck talk about bang for buck. Easily worth all the years of support by itself.