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Episode 198 - To The Ends of the Earth" (w/ George Monbiot) (Patreon)

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This week Briahna speaks to environmental activist, author, & journalist George Monbiot about the state of nature: that is, the global warming, the left's growing frustrations with electoral solutions, the tension between individual "green" choices and the scale of industrial pollution, and why George doubts Marx can help with this one.

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Produced by Armand Aviram.

Theme by Nick Thorburn (@nickfromislands).

Comments

Mitchy

Thank you! Would love to hear him speak with you and Peter Zeihan author of The End of the World Is Just the Beginning: Mapping the Collapse of Globalization

Anonymous

Thank you for doing another climate episode!! On a similar topic but with a different take, Professor Matthew T. Huber recently wrote the book “Climate Change as Class War: Building Socialism on a Warming Planet” and would be a super interesting guest for a follow-up episode. He was on a recent episode of Revolutionary Left Radio (https://open.spotify.com/episode/0fskXlQ1Qrzf19gJlx2v0E?si=-VES8dduSqCcQuX68CT96A) and his niche is linking class solidarity/socialism and climate action (and why it hasn’t been successful so far). He would be a great guest because he speaks to the theoretical level AND delivers crunchy, actionable suggestions. Specifically, he outlines strategy, sector by sector, to organize both union & climate movements. Thank you again and please keep doing leftist climate episodes!!

Jonathan Kadmon

Way to bury the lede he touched on the most interesting issue in the last few minutes about the global south and food sovereignty

Anonymous
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There was an interesting debate between Huber others exploring eco-socialist futures hosted by Haymarket yesterday. For myself, I find Huber’s positions frustrating & limited in the way dogmatic Marxist’s can be. Here’s a link to the conversation https://youtu.be/9MNwY_6X1ZI

Anonymous

@Jessica Dill that sounds fascinating, thanks so much! Checking that out right now.

NickGodfrey

Why can't I see episode 197? Its not in my app

Anonymous

Excited to listen! Sidebar: Interviewing Ed Burmila re book Chaotic Neutral might(?) be good episode about third party /electoralism

Anonymous

Monbiot excellent on Climate issues. Monbiot terrible on Ukraine War though, so I’ve been avoiding him since he tarred supporters of the Stop The War coalition as “Russian Propagandists” which was hurtful and dispiriting of him. I only listened as I thought Brie would ask intelligent questions. She did and it was a good episode. But ngl, being branded a “Russian Propagandist” by Monbiot still smarts.

Anonymous

Bri- Please have someone on to talk about nuclear energy and geothermal energy. These 2 fields are crucial and leftist environmental activists are too captured by wind and solar to see that they have massive externalities (albeit of course not as big as fossil fuels). But that resistance must be challenged and nuclear energy can’t be seen as a “right wing” energy or whatever the at that the right views Solar and wind as “liberal shit” Geothermal has also made great advances and is actually able to keep oil and gas workers employed through almost the same technology and infrastructure which ensures workers not be left out in the dust. Solar and Wind cannot meet baseload without habitat and land destruction. Solar is great for micro grid, covering buildings and parking lots and as remedial energy. Individual homes and buildings can become energy neutral or energy producers. But It is not going to power cities without land clearing. Solar panel recycling and waste will also become a bigger issue in the future as will lithium mining which is already impacting guess where? The Global South (specifically West & Central Africa). Wind turbines will also have an effect on wildlife. I’m not against these things mind you. I believe a diverse energy assortment is essential but we are too focused on wind and solar while nuclear and geothermal aren’t getting their due investment. Because when intermittents go down, fossil fuels go up. Solving the climate crisis in terms of energy is about solving BASELOAD power. And as a vegan, we should be subsidizing not only vegetables and plant based foods but also precision-fermentation/cell cultured meat and dairy. Because as much as I would love to see it, people will never stop eating meat despite being unethical and environmentally damaging. If you would like to hear some good arguments for veganism check out Earthling Ed. But I do believe we will have a vegan future but with animal meat and dairy through technological process. And to the person who talked about “regenerative farming” it’s an extremely exaggerated claim. This is becsuse lands that may have been grazed by other wildlife was replaced with cows. Most cows are on lands that were once forests. There is no ecological determinant for cows on a pasture that is entirely man created. There is a need for wildlife (and wilded cows) to do that work. And like 95 or 98% some extremely high figure is that the meat and dairy people eat comes from industrial farms.

Anonymous

The biggest obstacle appears to be - once again - the Mega Rich and their semi-rich guard dogs & pets - like US politicians, MSM & the college-educated reformist Left. The Elite will build their tunnels and floating yacht-islands, and their servants will do anything to get a spot on that yacht-island or underground bunker. The Reformist Left in the US are more interested in lecturing and deciding who's in charge, than they are in solving problems. They are proving to be a road block to ANY chance we have. People who entertain the idea of AOC running instead of Biden, are an example of how completely unserious they are about solving ANY issue. Let alone the Climate Crisis.

Anonymous

Unless someone can figure out how to STOP the US Military machine - all the discussion about the Climate Crisis is pointless. We know what the problem is. We know what the multitude of solutions are. We know something needs to be done ASAP - one thing we don't have is the luxury of time. The US Military is the world's biggest polluter. All the Dems - including Bernie, AOC & Progressives Inc.- and most of the Repubs, haven't met a War Dept funding bill they didn't love. So how do we stop those like Bernie, AOC, etc from caring ONLY about their own wealth & power? We can't even get then to be anti-war.

Dez Martin

Oh the poor kulaks! He has a very inaccurate view of Marx, dear lord

Artemis

It's enfuriating to hear libs talk so blindly about the world around them. That's why I mostly trust people who are outside of the imperialist core to speak truthfully about things like the environment. Talk to people in the third world and they have a better grasp of reality. And they sure as hell know that change won't come from above, especially not from some pompus parliament. This guy thinks blocking traffic is violent!!!!? Civil disobedience with a hefty dose of property damage will be just be a the start of what needs to be done for changes. He talks about movements in the past, but fail to realize that lives were lost in these battles. People put thier job, the economy and property on the line. We live in the Imperialist core. The revolution we need won't come from us. That's not to say we should be complacent. There are things we can do... Building solidarity in line with what Prashad spoke of, is a start. Other things are better talked about offline.