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Full Video: COVID Reckoning? (Patreon)

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2022-08-29 17:55:35
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Is the Left DISMISSING Concerns About Vaccine Mandates?

This week, Briahna invited her libertarian Rising co-host Robbie Soave to have a good faith conversation about the limits of COVID policy. He's joined by journalist and co-founder of Opt Out Media Walker Bragman, who has been covering what he argues is a failure of the government to offer mitigation interventions that could save thousands of lives. Has the left conceded unnecessary ground to the right as it dismisses libertarian concerns about mask mandates and vaccines? Is it unrealistic to keep schools closed with limited child care support for parents, and education delays holding kids back? Or is that a false trade off given how little has been done to make returning to school as safe as it could be, with clear masks, ventilators, and testing? This might be the good-est faith conversation about the failures and limits of COVID policy you've heard yet.

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Anonymous

Whoa. Comments on YT deleted. With each V ur immune system is compromised. Many peer reviewed studies showing negative efficacy. Plus studies on masks. The Foegen effect is real. WE WERE DENIED EARLY TREATMENTS. Sent home till lips blue. Senate testimony in 2020 buried on CSPAN.. Got my supply from overseas in case I encounter another virus. Truly frightening how many still living in fear. Deaths etc from the experimental gene therapy, esp infants born with Covid from their vaxxed mom is nauseating. When they started paying people to take the injection; all my red lights were flashing. Look at actual data. Listen to the last good Kennedy: RFK Jr. Many docs put their careers on the line $ now building a parallel health system. Listening to FLCCC these docs & nurses are always asking cost when something new suggested. They get it.

Anonymous

Why have a discussion with 3 people who believe all the Covid vaccines are safe for children to discuss mandating them for schools? One of whom says he doesn’t understand why the Covid vaccine is any different from the polio vaccine The polio vaccine is a sterilizing vaccine and the Covid vaccine is a therapeutic vaccine. My children getting it would not prevent the little girl he’s writing a story about from getting Covid. The efficacy of the Covid vaccine diminishes after weeks, the polio vaccine’s does not. The polio vaccine has been on the market for 67 years and therefore has 67 years of data. “Improvements” have been tried in my lifetime, like the oral vaccine that caused some people to get polio and was then taken off the market. The Covid vaccine has been on the market for 2 years and less than that for children. The emotional pleas can go in either direction. Someone can go talk to a parent of a healthy child that now has myocarditis. I’m suspicious of anyone who argues in this way repeatedly. He asked Robbie “how many death are acceptable” and so I will ask him to picture 5-10 years from now, when some unknown variable is now known, harms children and is very bad. How many are unacceptable to him? Hold that number in your mind and have some humility when so many things we were told were true turned out to be lies. Parents who are choosing not to vaccinate want to wait and see and because it’s a non sterilizing vaccine and because the disease itself doesn’t pose a particular or serious risk to children they should have the right to do wait and see. The arguments he continually makes can only be made for sterilizing vaccines and some of them can only be made pre-vaccine. “Children can bring it home to family members.” Family members can be vaccinated now. It doesn’t hold the same weight it did before. There is no public health argument that can be made compelling to me currently and no doctor, no school official, no journalist cares about it individual children more than I do and therefore I’m the only one who can make health decisions on their behalf until they are old enough to make them for themselves. I’m not preventing to trying to prevent any parent from doing the same. I’m not demanding it be taken off market, I’m fine with what bri advocates for vaccine drives on school property. Make it free to anyone who needs it and wants it. I don’t care. But if people like Walker want to make American Florida keep talking about mandates for kids.

Anonymous
>>90608714

And also I apologize how poorly written my response is the edit button isn’t working and I’m very reliant on edit buttons.

Murcury Vapor
>>90603316

3.6 Discussion and conclusion on the non-clinical aspects The non-clinical data currently available for COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 can be accepted as sufficient with specific mitigations in place. There are no scientific objections arising from this review to the authorisation for temporary supply for this product under Regulation 174.

Liska Ostojic
>>90603316

Reading JAMA article on study indicating some staggering statistic, like 60-70% of women in one study who got vax in first trimester miscarried while everyone was screaming that of course pregnant women should get vaxxed was one of the most red-pilling moments of my life. Yes, the % went down significantly in 2 trimester, and almost negligent in 3rd. Yes, it’s just one study and maybe it can/has been revised. But the absolute refusal of people to consider this as a **nuanced** situation, not clear-cut, not black and white, one scientific community knows little about no matter how much we pretend they don’t, and with **difficult** potentially life altering decisions to be made. A little humility would go a long way.

Anonymous

Walker ignores the science and corruption.COVID exposed massive corruption in the US government's health and human services tied to Pharma. This created massive incompetence in the preparation and reaction to a very predictable and manageable pandemic. No masks? That's pandemic 101. Red flag. Natural immunity questioned? Big red flag. No advice to take vitamin D and Zinc? Obvious red flag. Finally, the lies about Ivermectin were massive and systemic by threatening doctor's licenses. I was read by my doctor that Ivermectin was a risk to take when the NIH official take is neither for or against it. Final flag on corruption. Science was not followed. Propaganda so prominent doctors were upset about medical dictums coming via press release. With FDA/CDC funding coming from Pharma it's clear this corrupt system is so deep it will never be changed. Never. Never. By that I mean never.

Liska Ostojic
>>90600710

The lack of discussion around early treatment options (or lack thereof) totally blows me away. It’s such a non-brainer. Someone comes to hospital with an infection, any infection, first step is to administer treatment. Someone comes in with pneumonia, you give AB. With a virus, you give AV. If it’s a novel virus, you throw everything and the kitchen sink at it and hope something has an effect. AFTER it’s under control, you worry about vaccines. That’s basic clinical protocol. My 70 y.o. obese father with a history of smoking and heart disease was sent home with aspirin and decongestant. From the very beginning it was “vaccine vaccine vaccine, wait for the vaccine, stay home and mask until the vaccine.” It’s almost like there was a resistance to discussing or researching early treatment options. Idk if it’s because trump was in office or what, but it feels like it was (and maybe still is) a collective psychosis.

Eric Smith

Would LOVE to know what Speech Language Pathologists he spoke with about the clear masks. As very pro-masking and pro-vax people, my wife is an SLP and every attempt to use a clear mask resulted in them immediately getting fogged up and effectively useless.

Bomani Kernizan
>>90680803

I've always found the speech thing an excuse used by people who don't talk to their kids. There's no other way the only time a kid sees and adult speak is in schoool

Anonymous

Seems like the crux of the matter is whether or not it's true that we're all going to get it eventually. I've seen even very pro-intervention advocates like Fauci say everyone's gonna get it. Walter is the first person I've heard dispute that. I presume someone can literally never leave their house and avoid it but short of that my sad hunch is that it's unavoidable.

Anonymous

One thing I'm not clear about is whether higher vaccination levels would reduce the # of mutations. If vaccination isn't preventing transmission, why would it reduce the virus's opportunity to mutate?

Anonymous

The MA school mask study got completely shot down by Vinay Prasad who was adamant that it was very shoddy science. What are all of us non-experts to make of such a volume of conflicting opinions?

Anonymous

In terms of the child Covid mortality Walter mentioned, I'm curious what % of those were Delta and what the Omicron child mortality rate is.

Anonymous

Bri's point at the end about the importance of calibrating public health interventions to correspond with human nature and public opinion, so as to avoid provoking polarized backlash, is the key to this whole mess.

Anonymous

I really could not watch this episode - This "Robbie" guy is just a professional wrong person, taking up energy and space in an otherwise interesting conversation.

Anonymous

Brie and everyone, please check this out - www.urgencyofequity.org. A put together by medical and public health experts from around the country, about how crucial it is to demand equity when we call for COVID safety: They are coming out with a new edition shortly so stay tuned.

Anonymous
>>90730895

My understanding is that vaccines do slow transmission (although do not prevent it. Vaccinated people are less likely to get infected and less likely to transmit it. The real challenge is that we need to vaccinate the world (vaccine equity!) so that we see fewer variants circulating around the globe.